Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 01:25:20PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:16:54PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > This thread is a great example of why I really despise debian-user > > sometimes. > > There's no reason to be so hostile, you simply disagree with each

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Catherine Gramze
> On Mar 23, 2017, at 9:20 PM, David Wright wrote: > > It's not really polite to call this "expert" (only in the sense > described by the Advanced options in the installer) rabid, and what > I do with the installer ridiculous. > > I don't wish to accept arbitrary impositions on what I can do wi

Re: udev doesn't like systemd-shim

2017-03-23 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-03-23 at 01:05, David Griffith wrote: > I switched to sysvinit by following the directions at > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation > This seemed to work until I tried to install sshfs whereupon I got this: > > E: /usr/sha

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Catherine Gramze
> On Mar 23, 2017, at 9:22 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Catherine, I'm curious - when was the last time you installed Debian > using d-i? I've now seen you several times write (like above) about > "backing out of the installer after the reboot". Are you talking about > a second stage of d-i aft

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread David Wright
On Thu 23 Mar 2017 at 20:15:34 (-0400), Catherine Gramze wrote: > It was you who started maligning me, accusing me of making false claims (but > not being able to present one) and generally harassing me for disagreeing > with you. I have only responded politely, explaining my opinion and why I

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Steve McIntyre
Catherine Gramze wrote: > >I am suggesting, not "demanding" that the netinst installer refuse to >continue when it is not going to be able to successfully complete the >installation due to no network connection. This does not prevent >anybody from backing out of the installer after the reboot to ge

Re: new packages

2017-03-23 Thread songbird
Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 02:42:20PM -0400, songbird wrote: >> when you run: >> >> $ apt-get upgrade >> >> it will not add any new programs, but when you run: >> >> $ apt-get dist-upgrade >> >> it will tell you which are new of the updates it is >> going to perform (if an

udev doesn't like systemd-shim

2017-03-23 Thread David Griffith
I switched to sysvinit by following the directions at http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation This seemed to work until I tried to install sshfs whereupon I got this: E: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev failed with return 1 Po

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Catherine Gramze
> On Mar 23, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Anyone who reads this knows that the net-install disc cannot include non-free > firmware and that there could be a problem with connecting to the net. No, they don't. They know it can't can't contain non-free software, but not that their n

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 23 March 2017 22:54:13 Catherine Gramze wrote: > > On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > On Thursday 23 March 2017 22:18:53 Catherine Gramze wrote: > >>> Mar 23, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz >>> > >>> This is of course incorrect. But I doubt that I could refute it >

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Catherine Gramze
> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 23 March 2017 22:18:53 Catherine Gramze wrote: >>> Mar 23, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz >> >>> This is of course incorrect. But I doubt that I could refute it without >>> appearing aggressive again. :-( >> >> What part of what

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 23 March 2017 22:18:53 Catherine Gramze wrote: > >  Mar 23, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz > > > This is of course incorrect.  But I doubt that I could refute it without > > appearing aggressive again. :-( > > What part of what I said is incorrect? Practically all of it. Lisi

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Catherine Gramze
> Mar 23, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz > This is of course incorrect. But I doubt that I could refute it without > appearing aggressive again. :-( What part of what I said is incorrect? > It does indeed incense me that Catherine should demand that the net > installer, > which I and many

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Brian
On Thu 23 Mar 2017 at 11:07:22 +0100, Mart van de Wege wrote: > Jonathan Dowland writes: > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 08:06:46AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 08:52:46PM -0400, Catherine Gramze wrote: > >> > Do you prefer that people move on to other distros after a b

Re: new packages

2017-03-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 09:00:05PM +0100, Dejan Jocic wrote: > Actually, it is in the man page of apt-get: > > -u, --show-upgraded Hmm... missing in stretch. Present in jessie. Maybe stretch decided to turn it on by default? (Stretch documents a "--no-show-upgraded" option with no short equiv

Re: What happened with Samba??

2017-03-23 Thread Salvatore Bonaccorso
Hi, On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 08:06:00PM +0100, Luis Speciale wrote: > Le 23/03/2017 à 19:41, Gábor Hársfalvi a écrit : > > Dear Community! > > > > I've installed succesfully samba-updates today on our Debian 8 server. > > After it can't use my backup - Windows 7 built in backup software - > > beca

Re: new packages

2017-03-23 Thread Dejan Jocic
On 23-03-17, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 02:42:20PM -0400, songbird wrote: > > when you run: > > > > $ apt-get upgrade > > > > it will not add any new programs, but when you run: > > > > $ apt-get dist-upgrade > > > > it will tell you which are new of the updates it is > >

Re: new packages

2017-03-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 02:42:20PM -0400, songbird wrote: > when you run: > > $ apt-get upgrade > > it will not add any new programs, but when you run: > > $ apt-get dist-upgrade > > it will tell you which are new of the updates it is > going to perform (if any). I strongly recommend using t

Re: What happened with Samba??

2017-03-23 Thread Luis Speciale
Le 23/03/2017 à 19:41, Gábor Hársfalvi a écrit : Dear Community! I've installed succesfully samba-updates today on our Debian 8 server. After it can't use my backup - Windows 7 built in backup software - because of this error: Error 0x80070032 What happened and why? How could I repair my prev

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Fred
On 03/23/2017 09:48 AM, Catherine Gramze wrote: On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: Catherine Gramze wrote: On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: Particularly where you have encountered it where it takes you past the point of no retreat before you discover that you

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

2017-03-23 Thread David Christensen
On 03/23/2017 02:22 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: David Christensen wrote: On 03/22/2017 03:35 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: David Christensen wrote: On 03/17/2017 03:31 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: David Christensen wrote: On 03/13/2017 05:38 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: [...] I should clarify that: "The bac

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
My reply went initially in error to Catherine privately because she had sent a copy to me privately. I wish people would stick to teh CoC and not cc people. On Thursday 23 March 2017 18:20:39 Catherine Gramze wrote: > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >

Re: new packages

2017-03-23 Thread songbird
Pol Hallen wrote: > Hi all :-) > > is there a tool to see periodically new packages added to > repository?(mainly I use testing) > > thanks! when you run: $ apt-get upgrade it will not add any new programs, but when you run: $ apt-get dist-upgrade it will tell you which are new of the updat

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread songbird
Catherine Gramze wrote: ... > When you burn the netinst iso to a dvd, because you can't buy blank cds > anymore in any local stores, you have a netinst dvd. I can't remember the > last time I saw a cd in the wild. i just saw piles of them available at Best Buy. plus i'd be very surprised if

What happened with Samba??

2017-03-23 Thread Gábor Hársfalvi
Dear Community! I've installed succesfully samba-updates today on our Debian 8 server. After it can't use my backup - Windows 7 built in backup software - because of this error: Error 0x80070032 What happened and why? How could I repair my previous backup-method to continue this as it worked gr

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Catherine Gramze
Sent from my iPad > On Mar 23, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Please calm down, why the aggression? :-( Lisi is incensed with my suggestion that the netinst installer should refuse to continue if no network card is recognized and configured. She sincerely believes Debian is, an

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 23 March 2017 18:03:35 Steve McIntyre wrote: > Please calm down, why the aggression? :-( Sorry. Lisi

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Steve McIntyre
Lisi Reisz wrote: >On Thursday 23 March 2017 16:48:56 Catherine Gramze wrote: >> >> When you burn the netinst iso to a dvd, because you can't buy blank cds >> anymore in any local stores, you have a netinst dvd. I can't remember the >> last time I saw a cd in the wild. > >No, you do not. You have

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Steve McIntyre
Catherine Gramze wrote: >> On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> Sorry, what? There's no such animal as a netinst dvd... The netinst is >> a minimal-ish (small) CD-sized image that just contains the installer >> and the (very limited) base system. The DVDs we make are much mor

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 23 March 2017 16:48:56 Catherine Gramze wrote: > > On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > > Catherine Gramze wrote: > >>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>> > >>> Particularly where you have encountered it where it takes you past the > >>> point o

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Catherine Gramze
> On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Catherine Gramze wrote: >>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> >>> Particularly where you have encountered it where it takes you past the >>> point >>> of no retreat before you discover that you need a network driver,

Re: [TEST RUNS] Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Steve McIntyre
Lisi Reisz wrote: >On Wednesday 22 March 2017 17:26:56 Richard Owlett wrote: >> >> I had a "Live 8.6 MATE" DVD next to me. >> I had a minor glitch and a possibly significant problem. >> The minor glitch was when launching the installer it needed a password. >> Having seen that problem reported befo

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Steve McIntyre
Catherine Gramze wrote: >> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >> Particularly where you have encountered it where it takes you past the point >> of no retreat before you discover that you need a network driver, so that >> you >> have wiped your old install and cannot continue t

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Steve McIntyre
rhia...@mac.com wrote: >> >> If run from Jessie's DVD 1 of 13, if Desktop is selected but >> without a specific D.E. selected, you get Gnome. >> >You only get Gnome if you have first selected a mirror. Ummm, I've done this lots of times - DVD 1 should give you Gnome without needing any external

How to: 3 fingers tap to show Activities (Gnome Shell) ?

2017-03-23 Thread Frédéric Mesplède
I know but it means that you have to use a second hand to press the key or leave the touchpad to press the key. It would be more convenient if you could show the Activities view with a three finger tap and then select a window without leaving your touchpad. The software touchégg ( https://github.c

Re: Matrox G550 - MGA X server fails

2017-03-23 Thread Felix Miata
Oliver Elphick composed on 2017-03-22 10:25 (UTC): I am unable to start X using a Matrox Millennium G550 PCIe card. Does iomem=relaxed on kernel cmdline help? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2

Re: How to: 3 fingers tap to show Activities (Gnome Shell) ?

2017-03-23 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2017-03-23, Frédéric Mesplède wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I read the Debian wiki about Synaptics ( > https://wiki.debian.org/fr/SynapticsTouchpad ) but I can't figure out > how to activate 3 fingers tap... I would like to create a sort of > shortcut to show Activities whenever I tap three fingers

Re: JVC camera and Hauppauge PVR-150 framegrabber. Was: Re: MTI camera ...

2017-03-23 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 05:35:43PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > With a manual setting of the device path and ID, the V4L2 Test Bench > produced this image from the JVC camera on the microscope. > http://easthope.ca/JVCtoPVR150screen.jpg > > Setting the device in the Test Bench each time it

Re: new packages

2017-03-23 Thread Reco
Hi. On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:17:18 +0100 Pol Hallen wrote: > Hi all :-) > > is there a tool to see periodically new packages added to > repository?(mainly I use testing) aptitude forget-new aptitude update aptitude search ~N Reco

How to: 3 fingers tap to show Activities (Gnome Shell) ?

2017-03-23 Thread Frédéric Mesplède
Hi everyone! I read the Debian wiki about Synaptics ( https://wiki.debian.org/fr/SynapticsTouchpad ) but I can't figure out how to activate 3 fingers tap... I would like to create a sort of shortcut to show Activities whenever I tap three fingers on my touchpad. Any ideas? My computer is: Debian

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 23 March 2017 11:50:33 Joe wrote: > On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 11:07:22 +0100 > > Mart van de Wege wrote: > > Jonathan Dowland writes: > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 08:06:46AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 08:52:46PM -0400, Catherine Gramze wrote: > > >> > Do you

new packages

2017-03-23 Thread Pol Hallen
Hi all :-) is there a tool to see periodically new packages added to repository?(mainly I use testing) thanks! Pol

Re: TTL expired in transit to qemu virtual machine.

2017-03-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 08:36:38AM +0200, Mimiko wrote: > Well, doing regulat apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, I fought that kernel > is also upgraded. I've seen this several times. How comes it wasn't updated > to 3.2.86-1. Run "uname -a" (and also "uptime") and post the results. After a ker

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

2017-03-23 Thread Dan Purgert
wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 09:14:47AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: >> wrote: > > [...] > >> > You're holding it wrong :) > > [on a second reading this might come across as unpolite: sorry if > that's the case] No worries, I don't use iDevices. > > [...] > >> You do realize that the thread

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Joe
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 11:07:22 +0100 Mart van de Wege wrote: > Jonathan Dowland writes: > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 08:06:46AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 08:52:46PM -0400, Catherine Gramze wrote: > >> > Do you prefer that people move on to other distros after a

Re: An INCOMPLETE solution - was [Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?]

2017-03-23 Thread Brian
On Thu 23 Mar 2017 at 10:12:57 +, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 08:08:28PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >On 03/17/2017 08:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>As I have limited bandwidth, I install from DVDs. > >>Also I frequently experiment with various options by doing a fresh

Re: Matrox G550 - MGA X server fails

2017-03-23 Thread Felix Miata
Oliver Elphick composed on 2017-03-23 09:42 (UTC): It does seem to be related to video drivers more generally. Outside X the console driver from grub fails to reduce the size of text. Since I am using grub version 2, it will take a lot of research to find out what the scripts are doing. There

Re: installer defaults for desktops (was Re: Suggested edit)

2017-03-23 Thread Mart van de Wege
Jonathan Dowland writes: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 08:06:46AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 08:52:46PM -0400, Catherine Gramze wrote: >> > Do you prefer that people move on to other distros after a base system only >> > installation because the Debian installer let them i

Re: An INCOMPLETE solution - was [Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?]

2017-03-23 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 08:08:28PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/17/2017 08:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: As I have limited bandwidth, I install from DVDs. Also I frequently experiment with various options by doing a fresh install to a different partition. It is annoying to keep re-scanning

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

2017-03-23 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 09:14:47AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: > wrote: [...] > > You're holding it wrong :) [on a second reading this might come across as unpolite: sorry if that's the case] [...] > You do realize that the thread of discussion you

Re: An INCOMPLETE solution - was [Re: Where is data stored when Synaptic scans DVDs?]

2017-03-23 Thread Brian
On Wed 22 Mar 2017 at 20:08:28 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/17/2017 08:47 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >As I have limited bandwidth, I install from DVDs. > >Also I frequently experiment with various options by doing a fresh > >install to a different partition. > >It is annoying to keep re-s

Re: Matrox G550 - MGA X server fails

2017-03-23 Thread Oliver Elphick
It does seem to be related to video drivers more generally. Outside X the console driver from grub fails to reduce the size of text. Since I am using grub version 2, it will take a lot of research to find out what the scripts are doing. There is no simple VGA= parameter to change. I have set the X

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

2017-03-23 Thread Dan Purgert
David Christensen wrote: > On 03/22/2017 03:35 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: >> David Christensen wrote: >>> On 03/17/2017 03:31 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: David Christensen wrote: > On 03/13/2017 05:38 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > [...] >>> >>> I should clarify that: >>> >>> "The backup server

Re: Guide(s?) to backup philosophies

2017-03-23 Thread Dan Purgert
wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 11:57:44AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: >> wrote: >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:35:13AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: >> >> David Christensen wrote: >> >> > On 03/17/2017 03:31 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: >> >> >> David Christensen wrote: >> >> >>> On 03/13/2017 05:3

Re: Unattended upgrades. Debian methods, please, not Ubuntu.

2017-03-23 Thread didier gaumet
Le 23/03/2017 à 02:06, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > > Thank you. Yes, I have read and tried to follow it. I quote: > - > To install these packages, run the following command as root: > > # apt-get install unattended-upgrades apt-listchanges > The default configuration file for the unattended-

Re: Testing CDs for GNOME3, KDE and LXDE are missing from the download page

2017-03-23 Thread Lone Learner
It makes sense that CDs are dead. But it still helps a user like me if the download size that is around 600MB to 700 MB, which is one-fifth the size of a DVD download thereby saving me bandwidth cost while being large enough to contain most of the essential software I need. netinst is too restrict