Re: Long neglected OS ... updating

2015-12-02 Thread Joe
On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 00:36:23 -0500 Harry Putnam wrote: > Resurrecting a neglected OS, need a little coaching about the output > of `aptitude full-upgrade'. > How 'long-neglected', and, importantly, which version is this? If it is unstable, this may work, but I'd recommend using apt-get rather

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Nicolas George
Le duodi 12 frimaire, an CCXXIV, Gene Heskett a écrit : > But it bugs the heck out of me that the guy/gal > doing the codeing doesn't watch the user lists, so it all has to wait on > someone qualified enough to wade thru the bug reporter forms and > actually file the bug. D

Re: Locale-related questions

2015-12-02 Thread Martin Str|mberg
In article Nicolas George wrote: > wchar_t portably. For starters, the i4s at microsoft decided that 64k > characters should be enough for everyone, so if your cross-platform includes > microsoftisms, you can not use wchar_t to represent an Unicode code point. > The i4s at sun had other interest

Re: Long neglected OS ... updating

2015-12-02 Thread David Christensen
On 12/02/2015 09:36 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Resurrecting a neglected OS, need a little coaching about the output of `aptitude full-upgrade'. ... Are there red flags in the above output that mean I need to do preliminary work before `full-uptrade' ? My goal is to *use* Debian, so I want stabil

Long neglected OS ... updating

2015-12-02 Thread Harry Putnam
Resurrecting a neglected OS, need a little coaching about the output of `aptitude full-upgrade'. I want to know if this output is fairly typical or what one might expect after neglecting an OS a good while... but mostly if going ahead is likely to land my subpar skilled behind in hot water. I've

Re: X using ~ 35% of a CPU core

2015-12-02 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 02 Dec 2015 15:49:40 +0100 Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 18:14 -0500, Celejar wrote: > > tried tailing the X log when I caught the problem occurring, and I > > found zillions of these: > > > [snipped log] > > > > When the problem ceases (CPU usage back down to zero / nor

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-02 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 21:42:40 -0500 "Neal P. Murphy" wrote: > On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:34:58 +1300 > Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 08:47:00PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: > > > Le 02/12/2015 20:41, Chris Bannister a écrit : > > > > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 02:21:04PM

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 02 December 2015 22:05:10 Neal P. Murphy wrote: > On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:48:07 +1300 > > Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 08:12:24PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > In the meantime, its hit another 200 users, discouraging them from > > > ever touching linux again.

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 02 December 2015 21:48:07 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 08:12:24PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > In the meantime, its hit another 200 users, discouraging them from > > ever touching linux again. In that regard, we are our own worst > > enemy at times. Unfortunate

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Neal P. Murphy
On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:48:07 +1300 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 08:12:24PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > In the meantime, its hit another 200 users, discouraging them from ever > > touching linux again. In that regard, we are our own worst enemy at > > times. Unfortun

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 08:12:24PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > In the meantime, its hit another 200 users, discouraging them from ever > touching linux again. In that regard, we are our own worst enemy at > times. Unfortunately, the oar I steer this ship with could be swapped > for a tooth

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-02 Thread Neal P. Murphy
On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:34:58 +1300 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 08:47:00PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: > > Le 02/12/2015 20:41, Chris Bannister a écrit : > > > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 02:21:04PM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: > > >> I often counter that by passing my would-be repl

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 02 December 2015 14:02:50 Jape Person wrote: > On 12/02/2015 01:21 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Wednesday 02 December 2015 06:06:09 Martin Read wrote: > >> On 02/12/15 03:07, James P. Wallen wrote: > >>> Thanks for your response, Sven. It's nice to know that someone > >>> else has s

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 02 December 2015 04:21:04 Stuart Longland wrote: > On 01/12/15 11:56, John Hasler wrote: > > Bob Bernstein writes: > >> With that as background, here is my question/request: is anyone aware > >> of a spirited defence of our ideal method of "selective quoting," (for > >> lack of a bette

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-02 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 08:47:00PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: > Le 02/12/2015 20:41, Chris Bannister a écrit : > > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 02:21:04PM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: > >> I often counter that by passing my would-be reply through tac and > >> top-post it that way. > >> > >> Then they se

[HITB-Announce] HITB2016AMS Call for Papers

2015-12-02 Thread Hafez Kamal
The Call for Papers for the 7th annual Hack In The Box Security Conference in The Netherlands is now open! Call for Papers: http://cfp.hackinthebox.org/ Event Website: http://conference.hitb.org/hitbseccconf2016ams/ HITBSecConf has always been an attack oriented deep-knowledge research event aim

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Jape Person
On 12/02/2015 05:59 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 02 Dec 2015, Jape Person wrote: It's occurred to me that, though I have occasionally seen service shutown issues with sysv-init, they were never as pervasive or repetitve as it has been since switching to systemd as the init system. This is

Cannot Setup DNS on Jessie

2015-12-02 Thread fritz
I have set up Jessie some time ago and have recently connected it to my home network however it is not resolving names via DNS. To get started I realize there are a few ways to set this up but I am assuming the Jessie install used NetworkManager. if I look in my running processes list I see:

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 02 Dec 2015, Jape Person wrote: > It's occurred to me that, though I have occasionally seen service > shutown issues with sysv-init, they were never as pervasive or > repetitve as it has been since switching to systemd as the init > system. This is generally because sysv-init tends to not

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-02 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 08:41:44AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 02:21:04PM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: > > > > I often counter that by passing my would-be reply through tac and > > top-post it that way. > > > > Then they

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-02 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/02/2015 03:03 PM, John Hasler wrote: Chris Bannister writes: What is 'tac'? DESCRIPTION Write each FILE to standard output, last line first. That's the beauty of UNIX. They have thought of everything you could ever possibly need, including backwards printing. :/ Ric -- My fa

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-02 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/02/2015 12:19 PM, Bob Bernstein wrote: On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Mart van de Wege wrote: If the only time you see interleaved comments is in 'fisked' pieces, then I could understand not feeling comfortable when someone does that in an email reply. Yes, point well taken. I suppose we can st

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-02 Thread John Hasler
Chris Bannister writes: What is 'tac'? DESCRIPTION Write each FILE to standard output, last line first. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-02 Thread Erwan David
Le 02/12/2015 20:41, Chris Bannister a écrit : > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 02:21:04PM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: >> I often counter that by passing my would-be reply through tac and >> top-post it that way. >> >> Then they see it from my perspective. > What is 'tac'? > TAC(1)

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-02 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 02:21:04PM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: > > I often counter that by passing my would-be reply through tac and > top-post it that way. > > Then they see it from my perspective. What is 'tac'? -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-02 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 11:25:16AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > Some people think "all information" should be saved for the future. Others > don't. It's your choice. Be aware that "all information" in the case of Xorg > logs and dmesg is voluminous, and like other mailing list info, stays on the

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Jape Person
On 12/02/2015 02:04 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 02.12.2015 um 18:58 schrieb Jape Person: On 12/02/2015 12:17 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: In case you run into such a situation again, where a service is blocking the shutdown you can of course just use force and pull the plug or use sysrq b. But ther

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 02.12.2015 um 18:58 schrieb Jape Person: > On 12/02/2015 12:17 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: >> In case you run into such a situation again, where a service is blocking >> the shutdown you can of course just use force and pull the plug or use >> sysrq b. >> But there is a nicer alternative: just hit

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Jape Person
On 12/02/2015 01:21 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 02 December 2015 06:06:09 Martin Read wrote: On 02/12/15 03:07, James P. Wallen wrote: Thanks for your response, Sven. It's nice to know that someone else has seen this type of problem. I was thinking that this could be self-inflicted. P

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 02 December 2015 06:06:09 Martin Read wrote: > On 02/12/15 03:07, James P. Wallen wrote: > > Thanks for your response, Sven. It's nice to know that someone else > > has seen this type of problem. I was thinking that this could be > > self-inflicted. Perhaps that's a little less likely

Problem installing Jessie {8.0} to USB flash drive

2015-12-02 Thread Richard Owlett
I have successful installed Squeeze {6.0.10} to a flash drive. I can't seem to do the same with Jessie {8.0}. All my installs are from purchased copies of DVD 1. Both Squeeze and Jessie install to the hard drive without problems. My first attempt with Jessie was using Expert mode but accepting

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Jape Person
On 12/02/2015 12:17 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 02.12.2015 um 18:05 schrieb Jape Person: On 12/02/2015 10:49 AM, David Wright wrote: I have observed behaviour where, when the time limit of 90 seconds is reached, the limit increases by another 90 seconds and nothing else happens (for hours). eg

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-02 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Mart van de Wege wrote: It may be that inline replies are associated with the practice of 'fisking' [...] Yes. I stumbled into that mental association some time around 3:30am ET, at which ungodly hour thoughts of fisking seem to rise of their own accord. [...] which in

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 02.12.2015 um 18:05 schrieb Jape Person: > On 12/02/2015 10:49 AM, David Wright wrote: >> I have observed behaviour where, when the time limit of 90 seconds is >> reached, the limit increases by another 90 seconds and nothing else >> happens (for hours). eg >> >> [ <*> ] A stop job is running fo

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Jape Person
On 12/02/2015 10:49 AM, David Wright wrote: On Wed 02 Dec 2015 at 11:06:09 (+), Martin Read wrote: On 02/12/15 03:07, James P. Wallen wrote: Thanks for your response, Sven. It's nice to know that someone else has seen this type of problem. I was thinking that this could be self-inflicted. P

Can't configure gnome-terminal

2015-12-02 Thread sdlee
My gnome-terminal (version 3.4.1.1)seems to be broken, but can't find how to fix it. The main problem is I can't configure the profile. Normally this can be done through clicking Edit > Profiles > Edit. Right now when I click Edit in the Profiles dialogues, nothing happened as if I haven't click

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread David Wright
On Wed 02 Dec 2015 at 11:06:09 (+), Martin Read wrote: > On 02/12/15 03:07, James P. Wallen wrote: > >Thanks for your response, Sven. It's nice to know that someone else has > >seen this type of problem. I was thinking that this could be > >self-inflicted. Perhaps that's a little less likely no

Re: Xorg replaces TTY1

2015-12-02 Thread Teemu Likonen
Felix Miata [2015-12-02 01:52:18-05] wrote: > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf always works for me: > > Section "InputClass" > Identifier "system-keyboard" > Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" > EndSection I think /etc/default/keyboard is a

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Jape Person
On 12/02/2015 06:06 AM, Martin Read wrote: The default and per-service timeout values for stopping a service (after which systemd gives up and sends fatal signals to all of the service's processes) are configurable; see the systemd-system.conf(5) and systemd.service(5) man pages for details.

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread James P. Wallen
On 12/02/2015 06:06 AM, Martin Read wrote: On 02/12/15 03:07, James P. Wallen wrote: Thanks for your response, Sven. It's nice to know that someone else has seen this type of problem. I was thinking that this could be self-inflicted. Perhaps that's a little less likely now. So, is this behavior

Re: X using ~ 35% of a CPU core

2015-12-02 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 18:14 -0500, Celejar wrote: > tried tailing the X log when I caught the problem occurring, and I > found zillions of these: > [snipped log] > > When the problem ceases (CPU usage back down to zero / normal), these > lines cease, too. Anyone know what this is, and / or how to

Re: Can't startx as normal user

2015-12-02 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 22:23 -0300, Draco Metallium(Rodrigo S. Cañibano) > > The NEWS entry should have been picked up by apt-listchanges: > > I must have missed it. Thanks! Looks like it was added after the change was made, so it's possible that you made the upgrade before it was added. -- Chee

Re: Meld in Jessie: how to not install all the insane dependencies

2015-12-02 Thread MI
It looks like the meld package wants to install a full desktop with all the bells and whistles on my headless server. So the question is: what is the best way to install meld without all the cruft? I finally did install the previous version 1.6.1-1 (from Debian 7 Wheezy). I only needed few

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-02 Thread Martin Read
On 02/12/15 03:07, James P. Wallen wrote: Thanks for your response, Sven. It's nice to know that someone else has seen this type of problem. I was thinking that this could be self-inflicted. Perhaps that's a little less likely now. So, is this behavior controlled by systemd? I'm not trying to s

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-02 Thread Mart van de Wege
Bob Bernstein writes: > On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Chris Bannister wrote: > >>> "Please don't respond line by line. It is patronizing and >>> annoying." > >> What did he say when you asked what he meant by this? I mean, how on >> earth could it possibly be patronising? > > I haven't asked him yet, in th

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-02 Thread Mart van de Wege
Sven Arvidsson writes: > On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 16:39 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >> "Now", as in Stretch and/or Sid? I searched in Jessie and failed to >> discover >> any available firmware-amd-graphics. Is another repo besides main and >> updates >> required? I booted same machine to Stretch, and