Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:41:03 +0200 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2015-04-13 14:45:25 +0200, Loïc Grenié wrote: > > 2015-04-13 14:39 GMT+02:00 Vincent Lefevre : > > > The problem is that this operation is (always?) very slow: > > > something like 100 seconds (1 minute and 40 seconds). It has been >

Re: Fw: Jessie= stable date?

2015-04-13 Thread mudongliang
On Mon, 2015-04-13 at 22:01 +0200, Linux-Fan wrote: > Sorry for not posting this to the list in the first place :( > I just sent it again for the record. > > Linux-Fan > > Begin forwarded message: > > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:19:31 +0200 > From: Linux-Fan > To: Gene Heskett > Subject: Re: Je

Re: Jessie: No VGA signal after gdm3 login

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:42:03 -0400 "Thomas H. George" wrote: > Just returned from vacation, booted up. > > After gdm3 login screen goes blank, then No VGA Signal > Installed xdm. Same result > Ran apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade > Repeated xdm login. Same result > > Before vacation login o

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:36:33 -0500 David Wright wrote: > Quoting Petter Adsen (pet...@synth.no): > > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:12:51 -0500 > > David Wright wrote: > > > Have fun reading man find, though! > > > > petter@monster:~$ man tar | wc -l > > 540 > > petter@monster:~$ man find | wc -l > > 1

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:26:12 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 13 April 2015 16:56:05 Celejar wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:00:15 +0200 > > > > Petter Adsen wrote: > > > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:04:28 -0400 > > > > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > Is there not another service that is more

no bluetooth audio in jessie

2015-04-13 Thread Juha Heinanen
A few days ago, I upgraded my laptop from wheezy to jessie. After that I noticed that audio to my bluetooth speaker didn't work anymore. I had been using alsa audio and had a bluetooth type entry in my .asoundrc for my speaker. After a bit of digging it turned out that I had lost bluetooth audio

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Ric Moore (wayward4...@gmail.com): > Gene, didja notice this running the command line > ric@iam:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration > [sudo] password for ric: > update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; > falling back to defaults > update-rc.d: warnin

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Seeker
On 4/13/2015 4:59 AM, Floris wrote: and I agree that the sentence "You have to install all end-user applications later" is incorrect. Even Iceweasel is a dependency of gnome-core. I didn't know that Mozilla is a part of gnome. Floris Epiphany is the Gnome web browser, apparently the Gnom

Re: WAS Re: debian 8 NOW game keyboard config

2015-04-13 Thread Ric Moore
On 04/12/2015 10:33 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 04/11/2015 04:31 PM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 16:00:11 -0400 Ric Moore wrote: On 04/11/2015 03:05 PM, Reco wrote: dpkg-reconfigure -plow keyboard-configuration ric@iam:~$ sudo su - [sudo] password for ric: root@iam:~# dpkg-reconfigu

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Ric Moore
On 04/13/2015 02:00 PM, Petter Adsen wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:04:28 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: I just copied that link myself and opened it in Firefox. A "sign in or log on" box was displayed, which I closed without doing either (click on the "X"), and then got a page containing the name

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015, David Wright wrote: > [I'm hoping this isn't a duplicate post, but my first > attempt was rejected by bendel.debian.org as forged.] > > Quoting Patrick Bartek (nemomm...@gmail.com): > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: > > > i'll second the use of openbox. i us

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Bob Proulx
Vincent Lefevre wrote: > Loïc Grenié wrote: > > Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > The problem is that this operation is (always?) very slow: something > > > like 100 seconds (1 minute and 40 seconds). It has been reproducible > > > for several months. The logs show nothing during this operation. > > > >

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2015 13 Apr 13:38 -0500, Petter Adsen wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:21:49 +0300 > Reco wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:36:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > > The question is, what is the nature of the understanding that you > > > want of Linux? Is it the interaction between the lay

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 17:41:33 David Wright wrote: > Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): > > On Monday 13 April 2015 16:56:05 Celejar wrote: > > > As I've noted on another recent thread, some cloud providers > > > (Yandex, Box) offer WebDAV access, which (potentially) makes linux > > > ac

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:26:12 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 13 April 2015 16:56:05 Celejar wrote: ... > > As I've noted on another recent thread, some cloud providers (Yandex, > > Box) offer WebDAV access, which (potentially) makes linux access > > relatively straightforward via somethin

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): > On Monday 13 April 2015 16:56:05 Celejar wrote: > > As I've noted on another recent thread, some cloud providers (Yandex, > > Box) offer WebDAV access, which (potentially) makes linux access > > relatively straightforward via something like davfs2. > > I

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 17:22:34 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 02:16:40AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > On 14/04/2015, Reco wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:36:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > >> On 13/04/2015, Reco wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Learning C is simp

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Petter Adsen (pet...@synth.no): > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:21:49 +0300 > Reco wrote: > > Let's see as I didn't have OS design in mind. Something like: > > > > Exit codes and their value in real life. > > Strings handling, memory allocation. > > Process control and daemonisation (sp?). > > S

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 16:56:05 Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:00:15 +0200 > > Petter Adsen wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:04:28 -0400 > > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Is there not another service that is more "friendly" to the use > > > its used for? > > > > Not that many that has

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 02:16:40AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 14/04/2015, Reco wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:36:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > >> On 13/04/2015, Reco wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> >Learning C is simple and > >> > fun. Just read classic K&R treatise, do all the exam

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 16:08:44 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2015, at 13:48, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I wonder if our "sort" utilities also do that file shrink? > > No. It is something the VFS (generic filesystem layer inside the > kernel) or filesystem itself would have to

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 06:32:30PM +, Curt wrote: > On 2015-04-13, Reco wrote: > > > > *ANSI* C - yes. For instance, gcc has this wonderful '-ansi' switch. > > It's even possible to choose the exact version of ANSI C standard (i.e. > > -std=c99). > > *K&R* C - no. At least, gcc-4.7 has n

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:00:15 +0200 Petter Adsen wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:04:28 -0400 > Gene Heskett wrote: > > Is there not another service that is more "friendly" to the use its > > used for? > > Not that many that has Linux clients, unfortunately. I know of only two > - Google Drive (

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > Thanks! I didn't know that (I thought that the file system would > automatically "optimize" directories when files are removed, so > I've never looked closely at their size). Indeed: > > ypig:~/eftests> ls -ld tmp > drwxr-xr-x 2 vlefevre vlefevre 296

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 13 April 2015 19:00:15 Petter Adsen wrote: > I was honestly just trying to help the OP in a way that was easy for us > both, and since my mother manages to download the files I put on > Dropbox for her, I just assumed it would be an acceptable solution. It seemed to me to be a generous s

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Petter Adsen (pet...@synth.no): > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:12:51 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > Have fun reading man find, though! > > petter@monster:~$ man tar | wc -l > 540 > petter@monster:~$ man find | wc -l > 1572 > > :-) Mea culpa. But, in my defence, I think I used tar once or twi

Re: Jessie= stable date?

2015-04-13 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2015-04-13 20:22 +0200, Gene Heskett wrote: > ISTR Jessie was supposed to be "stable" as a debian 8 release on the > 15th. No, the only announce I noticed[1] mentions the 25th. > Is that still the plan? I haven't heard otherwise. Cheers, Sven 1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-dev

Jessie: No VGA signal after gdm3 login

2015-04-13 Thread Thomas H. George
Just returned from vacation, booted up. After gdm3 login screen goes blank, then No VGA Signal Installed xdm. Same result Ran apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade Repeated xdm login. Same result Before vacation login opened Gnome and I ran several programs with no problems. Even now consoles F1

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015, at 13:48, Gene Heskett wrote: > I wonder if our "sort" utilities also do that file shrink? No. It is something the VFS (generic filesystem layer inside the kernel) or filesystem itself would have to do, due to atomicity requirements. > Unrelated of course, but of all the d

Fw: Jessie= stable date?

2015-04-13 Thread Linux-Fan
Sorry for not posting this to the list in the first place :( I just sent it again for the record. Linux-Fan Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:19:31 +0200 From: Linux-Fan To: Gene Heskett Subject: Re: Jessie= stable date? [Mon, 13 Apr 2015 14:22:12 -0400] Gene Heskett wrote:

Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

2015-04-13 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015, Bret Busby wrote: both were running Debian 7, as the last operating system, before the hardware crashes. Aha! There it is at last! The Smoking Gun! Grassy Knoll, anyone? nb. http://www.google.com/search?q=grassy%20knoll -- These are not the droids you are looking for.

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 14/04/2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > My cat is walking on my keyboard now, demanding attention. Best not to > ignore him any longer. :) > Can he program? Cats are smart creatures. "Dogs have masters - cats have staff" :) -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do

Re: apt stuck at "Reading database"

2015-04-13 Thread James P. Wallen
On 04/13/2015 11:10 AM, Curt wrote: On 2015-04-13, Jape Person wrote: IIRC apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges (or both) don't work without the deb-src entries in /etc/apt/sources.list. I think these are tools that They don't? Is that documented somewhere? Not that I can find. I remembered

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:12:51 -0500 David Wright wrote: > Quoting Petter Adsen (pet...@synth.no): > > I've been trying to make a tarball of my home directory, but I want > > to exclude ~/.cache. First I tried '--exclude="~/.cache", but it > > didn't work. Neither did '--exclude="~/.cache/*". > >

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 14:00:15 Petter Adsen wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:04:28 -0400 > > Gene Heskett wrote: > What, apart from using JavaScript (which I agree is not desirable), is > problematic? No x button to close is shown to iceweasel. I even tried the upper right corner clikcing blind

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:21:49 +0300 Reco wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:36:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > The question is, what is the nature of the understanding that you > > want of Linux? Is it the interaction between the layers, for > > example, the HAL and the higher layers; is it the

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Curt
On 2015-04-13, Reco wrote: > > *ANSI* C - yes. For instance, gcc has this wonderful '-ansi' switch. > It's even possible to choose the exact version of ANSI C standard (i.e. > -std=c99). > *K&R* C - no. At least, gcc-4.7 has no switch for this that I'm > aware of. > -traditional ? But incompatib

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 14/04/2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > Yes, I know how FIFO works :) > The reason that I explained what I meant by FIFO, is that now, in Australia, due to the nature of working in remote locations, where people live a thousand or so km from where they work (one of my brothers did it even longer

Jessie= stable date?

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
Hello all; ISTR Jessie was supposed to be "stable" as a debian 8 release on the 15th. Is that still the plan? Thanks. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web pa

Re: apt stuck at "Reading database"

2015-04-13 Thread Jape Person
Sorry, this message was sent initially from a shared e-mail address. I'm using the correct address now. The primary owner of that addy is even older and grumpier than I am. Heh. On 04/13/2015 11:10 AM, Curt wrote: > On 2015-04-13, Jape Person wrote: >> >> IIRC apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges (

Debian 8 jessie long running sudo and X login

2015-04-13 Thread deloptes
Hi community, After upgrade to jessie I had one more strange experience. For some reason krb5-user was installed and I remember asking me about windows domain authentication. As I use this computer at work as well I said yes (there is domain which I could use to authenticate). However before I get

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 14/04/2015, Reco wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:36:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >> On 13/04/2015, Reco wrote: >> >> >> >> >Learning C is simple and >> > fun. Just read classic K&R treatise, do all the examples. Did so back >> > in >> > high school, and no brain was damaged in the proces

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 01:28:57 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > On 14/04/2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > > > > > > I am also a little wary of his statement that it took them two > > _weeks_ to examine a machine he delivered to them for service. > > Where I live, a small place in Norway, the people I use

Re: apt stuck at "Reading database"

2015-04-13 Thread Jape Person
On 04/13/2015 01:11 PM, Brian wrote: On Mon 13 Apr 2015 at 08:42:45 -0400, Jape Person wrote: I'd even argue that the deb-src entries are not necessary for the majority of Debian users. IIRC apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges (or both) don't work without the deb-src entries in /etc/apt/sources.l

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk): > On Mon 13 Apr 2015 at 12:00:52 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > Floris kindly found a possible reference which also seemed to me to be > > a likely candidate (the OP hasn't confirmed or otherwise). > > > > I looked at it with a critical eye and found some e

Re: WAS Re: debian 8 NOW game keyboard config

2015-04-13 Thread Ric Moore
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 10:39:31PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: On 04/11/2015 04:31 PM, Reco wrote: > Hi. > >On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 16:00:11 -0400 >Ric Moore wrote: > >>On 04/11/2015 03:05 PM, Reco wrote: >>>dpkg-reconfigure -plow keyboard-configuration >> >>ric@iam:~$ sudo su - >>[sudo] password for

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:04:28 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 13 April 2015 12:46:34 Bret Busby wrote: > > On 13/04/2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > > > > > > I do not know if this will solve your problem, but I found a > > > manual for what I believe is your machine on Acer's website, and > >

Re: apt stuck at "Reading database"

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk): > On Mon 13 Apr 2015 at 08:42:45 -0400, Jape Person wrote: > > > >I'd even argue that the deb-src entries are not necessary for the majority > > >of > > >Debian users. > > > > IIRC apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges (or both) don't work without > > the deb-src

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 14/04/2015, Bret Busby wrote: > On 14/04/2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > > >> >> I am also a little wary of his statement that it took them two _weeks_ >> to examine a machine he delivered to them for service. Where I live, a >> small place in Norway, the people I use will normally do things wi

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Apr 2015 at 12:00:52 -0500, David Wright wrote: > Floris kindly found a possible reference which also seemed to me to be > a likely candidate (the OP hasn't confirmed or otherwise). > > I looked at it with a critical eye and found some errors and > ambiguities. However, I'm not a Gnome

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Petter Adsen (pet...@synth.no): > I've been trying to make a tarball of my home directory, but I want to > exclude ~/.cache. First I tried '--exclude="~/.cache", but it didn't > work. Neither did '--exclude="~/.cache/*". > > I got it working by creating an empty file in ~/.cache and using

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 14/04/2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > I am also a little wary of his statement that it took them two _weeks_ > to examine a machine he delivered to them for service. Where I live, a > small place in Norway, the people I use will normally do things within > a few hours. And it's not like they h

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 12:50:08 Petter Adsen wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:29:48 -0400 > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 13 April 2015 08:07:40 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > > Sometimes it will also be necessary to remove the backup > > > (RTC/CMOS) battery. In that case you wil

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Reco
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:36:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 13/04/2015, Reco wrote: > > > > >Learning C is simple and > > fun. Just read classic K&R treatise, do all the examples. Did so back in > > high school, and no brain was damaged in the process :) > > The only problem today is to ge

Re: apt stuck at "Reading database"

2015-04-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Apr 2015 at 08:42:45 -0400, Jape Person wrote: > >I'd even argue that the deb-src entries are not necessary for the majority of > >Debian users. > > IIRC apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges (or both) don't work without > the deb-src entries in /etc/apt/sources.list. I think these are > tool

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 18:41:50 +0200 Jean-Marc wrote: > Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:15:42 +0200 > Petter Adsen écrivait : > > hi Petter, > > > I've been trying to make a tarball of my home directory, but I want > > to exclude ~/.cache. First I tried '--exclude="~/.cache", but it > > didn't work. Neither

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 12:46:34 Bret Busby wrote: > On 13/04/2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > > > I do not know if this will solve your problem, but I found a manual > > for what I believe is your machine on Acer's website, and put it on > > my Dropbox account for you: > > > > https://www.dropbox

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Steve McIntyre (93...@debian.org): > On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 06:04:47PM +0200, Floris wrote: > > > >So the conclusion is that the information on wiki.debian.org/Gnome is > >unclear and sometimes incorrect. I've added debian-...@lists.debian.org. > >I understood they are the wiki maintainers

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:29:48 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 13 April 2015 08:07:40 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > Sometimes it will also be necessary to remove the backup (RTC/CMOS) > > battery. In that case you will likely have to leave the box > > unpowered (do not reconnect any

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 09:41:03 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2015-04-13 14:45:25 +0200, Loïc Grenié wrote: > > 2015-04-13 14:39 GMT+02:00 Vincent Lefevre : > > > The problem is that this operation is (always?) very slow: > > > something like 100 seconds (1 minute and 40 seconds). It has been > > >

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 13/04/2015, Petter Adsen wrote: > > I do not know if this will solve your problem, but I found a manual for > what I believe is your machine on Acer's website, and put it on my > Dropbox account for you: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/09lfo01vnl9z9d7/UM_asE5-571_531_551_521_511_EN_Win8.1_v2.pd

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Floris
Op Mon, 13 Apr 2015 18:33:20 +0200 schreef Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org>: On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 06:04:47PM +0200, Floris wrote: So the conclusion is that the information on wiki.debian.org/Gnome is unclear and sometimes incorrect. I've added debian-...@lists.debian.org. I understood th

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread Jean-Marc
Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:15:42 +0200 Petter Adsen écrivait : hi Petter, > I've been trying to make a tarball of my home directory, but I want to > exclude ~/.cache. First I tried '--exclude="~/.cache", but it didn't > work. Neither did '--exclude="~/.cache/*". Can you send the command you used ? It

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 13/04/2015, Reco wrote: >Learning C is simple and > fun. Just read classic K&R treatise, do all the examples. Did so back in > high school, and no brain was damaged in the process :) > The only problem today is to get a C compiler that understands K&R C. > I have not programmed in "C" for a

Re: apt stuck at "Reading database"

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Chris Bannister (cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz): > On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 11:50:40AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > In that situation, my first course of action would be to hide anything > > but the essential sources.list contents of, basically, something like > > > > # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 06:04:47PM +0200, Floris wrote: > >So the conclusion is that the information on wiki.debian.org/Gnome is >unclear and sometimes incorrect. I've added debian-...@lists.debian.org. >I understood they are the wiki maintainers. Not in terms of content, no. That's up to the whol

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 April 2015 08:07:40 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sun, Apr 12, 2015, at 23:52, Bret Busby wrote: > > What they told me, is that the problem was solved by removing the > > battery, for about 15 minutes, then reinstalling the battery, and > > that the cause is that sometimes,

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Curt
On 2015-04-13, Petter Adsen wrote: > > Page 49 describes how to remove the battery pack, so with that guide in > hand you can try to do it yourself without handing it in for a two week > wait. I can't imagine that doing this would in any way affect your > warranty. > I was going to say hope that

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
[I'm hoping this isn't a duplicate post, but my first attempt was rejected by bendel.debian.org as forged.] Quoting Patrick Bartek (nemomm...@gmail.com): > On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: > > i'll second the use of openbox. i use it with fbpanel. > > > > i too believe that gnome ju

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Floris
Op Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:28:29 +0200 schreef David Wright : Quoting Floris (jkflo...@dds.nl): Op Sun, 12 Apr 2015 21:14:47 +0200 schreef David Wright : >Quoting Rodolfo Medina (rodolfo.med...@gmail.com): >>According to documentations, gnome-core package is considered to >>be the very >>minima

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 23:23:54 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > 2. As indicated in earlier posts, the two computers to which I have > referred; the Acer V3-772G and the Acer E5-521-238Q (I think that is > the model number of the newer one - it is in my previous posts), both > have the poor quality Insyde20

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Floris (jkflo...@dds.nl): > Op Sun, 12 Apr 2015 21:14:47 +0200 schreef David Wright > : > >Quoting Rodolfo Medina (rodolfo.med...@gmail.com): > >>According to documentations, gnome-core package is considered to > >>be the very > >>minimal gnome installation in Debian. But in my personal >

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 13/04/2015, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sun, Apr 12, 2015, at 23:52, Bret Busby wrote: >> What they told me, is that the problem was solved by removing the >> battery, for about 15 minutes, then reinstalling the battery, and that >> the cause is that sometimes, operating systems do

Re: gnome-settings-daemon, dbus use about %80 of CPU

2015-04-13 Thread claude juif
Hi, Can you check xsession log Xorg.log for any errors that might happens ? I see you take a screenshot from a X windows terminal, so X is responsive. Regards, 2015-04-09 21:02 GMT+02:00 Magdi Mahmoud : > Hi > > > > Please find the system info below the issue happening at least once a day >

Re: apt stuck at "Reading database"

2015-04-13 Thread Curt
On 2015-04-13, Jape Person wrote: > > IIRC apt-listbugs or apt-listchanges (or both) don't work without the > deb-src entries in /etc/apt/sources.list. I think these are tools that They don't? Is that documented somewhere? > Debian users should be encouraged to use. At the least they provide

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 05:18:09AM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote: > On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 12:30:03 PM UTC+5:30, Petter Adsen wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 09:35:25 -0700 > > David Christensen wrote: > > > > > On 04/12/2015 01:33 AM, Petter Adsen wrote:> OK, thank you, I will > > > definite

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread David Wright
Quoting Petter Adsen (pet...@synth.no): > On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 09:35:25 -0700 > David Christensen wrote: > > I'd advise learning one language well, where "well" includes security > > best practices. Understand that learning any modern language takes a > > lot of time and effort. So pick one tha

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: > On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 18:55:54 -0700 > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > > > > > Of course, if you really want TOTAL control of your GUI, a window > > manager is the way to go. That's what I did. Installed

Re: Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-04-13 16:15:42 +0200, Petter Adsen wrote: > I've been trying to make a tarball of my home directory, but I want to > exclude ~/.cache. First I tried '--exclude="~/.cache", but it didn't > work. Neither did '--exclude="~/.cache/*". The ~ is not expended here: $ echo "~/foo" ~/foo Try --ex

Excluding a directory from tar

2015-04-13 Thread Petter Adsen
I've been trying to make a tarball of my home directory, but I want to exclude ~/.cache. First I tried '--exclude="~/.cache", but it didn't work. Neither did '--exclude="~/.cache/*". I got it working by creating an empty file in ~/.cache and using the filename as an argument to "--exclude-tag-unde

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-04-13 14:45:25 +0200, Loïc Grenié wrote: > 2015-04-13 14:39 GMT+02:00 Vincent Lefevre : > > The problem is that this operation is (always?) very slow: something > > like 100 seconds (1 minute and 40 seconds). It has been reproducible > > for several months. The logs show nothing during this

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 02:39:40PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > I have some regular directory ~/eftests/tmp, and after a reboot, > I often check that it is empty (as I remove its contents before > the reboot): from the ~/eftests directory, I do > > ypig:~/eftests> ll tmp > > which correspond

Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Loïc Grenié
2015-04-13 14:39 GMT+02:00 Vincent Lefevre : > I have some regular directory ~/eftests/tmp, and after a reboot, > I often check that it is empty (as I remove its contents before > the reboot): from the ~/eftests directory, I do > > ypig:~/eftests> ll tmp > > which corresponds to > > ls -bF --co

Re: apt stuck at "Reading database"

2015-04-13 Thread Jape Person
On 04/12/2015 10:46 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 11:50:40AM -0500, David Wright wrote: In that situation, my first course of action would be to hide anything but the essential sources.list contents of, basically, something like # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_

reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow

2015-04-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
I have some regular directory ~/eftests/tmp, and after a reboot, I often check that it is empty (as I remove its contents before the reboot): from the ~/eftests directory, I do ypig:~/eftests> ll tmp which corresponds to ls -bF --color -l tmp after alias expansion. The problem is that this

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Rusi Mody
On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 12:30:03 PM UTC+5:30, Petter Adsen wrote: > On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 09:35:25 -0700 > David Christensen wrote: > > > On 04/12/2015 01:33 AM, Petter Adsen wrote:> OK, thank you, I will > > definitely consider Perl also, as I already know > > > a little and have a few books

Re: debian 8

2015-04-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015, at 23:52, Bret Busby wrote: > What they told me, is that the problem was solved by removing the > battery, for about 15 minutes, then reinstalling the battery, and that > the cause is that sometimes, operating systems do not shutdown > properly. Looks like the usual firmware

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread Floris
Op Sun, 12 Apr 2015 21:14:47 +0200 schreef David Wright : [I'm hoping this isn't a duplicate post, but my first attempt was rejected by bendel.debian.org as forged.] Quoting Rodolfo Medina (rodolfo.med...@gmail.com): According to documentations, gnome-core package is considered to be the ve

Re: Book questions

2015-04-13 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2015 13 Apr 01:58 -0500, Petter Adsen wrote: > Thanks for your advice, I think I should focus mainly on C for the time > being, and try to improve on my shell scripting rather than worry about > Python just yet. Then you have to wrestle with the question of POSIX shell versus Bash extensions.

Re: VLANs won't persist

2015-04-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 09:13:43AM +0200, albcares wrote: > could I suggest wicd, instead? I mean, You could download-and-install it > through the time of running connection, and manage your needs with it. I must > warn > that could be a conflict with NetworkManager, so you have to chose. 

Re: VLANs won't persist

2015-04-13 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 13 April 2015 08:13:43 albcares wrote: > could I suggest *wicd*, instead? I mean, You could download-and-install it > through the time of running connection, and manage your needs with it. I > must warn that could be a conflict with NetworkManager, so you have to > chose. I was asking ab

Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?

2015-04-13 Thread August Karlstrom
On 2015-04-13 07:20, bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 18:55:54 -0700 Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Of course, if you really want TOTAL control of your GUI, a window manager is the way to go. That's what I did. Installed Openbox. The same WM

Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

2015-04-13 Thread Bret Busby
On 13/04/2015, Curt wrote: > On 2015-04-09, Bret Busby wrote: >> Hello. >> >> On a new installation of Debian 7 on an Acer "laptop" computer with an >> AMD Radeon R2 graphics adaptor, the external monitor does not work. >> >> The external monitor works with MS Win 7, with MS Win 8, with Debian >>

Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors

2015-04-13 Thread Curt
On 2015-04-09, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > On a new installation of Debian 7 on an Acer "laptop" computer with an > AMD Radeon R2 graphics adaptor, the external monitor does not work. > > The external monitor works with MS Win 7, with MS Win 8, with Debian > 6, and with Ununtu 12.04 and with Ub

Re: VLANs won't persist

2015-04-13 Thread albcares
could I suggest *wicd*, instead? I mean, You could download-and-install it through the time of running connection, and manage your needs with it. I must warn that could be a conflict with NetworkManager, so you have to chose. yours sincerely ac 2015-04-12 23:10 GMT+02:00 Lisi Reisz : > On Saturda