Re: Slight New Sound Problem

2014-09-17 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:32:27 -0500 "Martin G. McCormick" wrote: > Thanks for any constructive ideas. Did you try with another kernel? Kind regards -- http://markorandjelovic.hopto.org One should not be afraid of humans. Well, I am not afraid of humans, but of what is inhuman in them. Ivo

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Bret Busby
On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Sorry, John. But we should be going OT > > On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote: >> Lisi writes: >> > There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland, >> > Wales and England. >> >> In roughly the same sense in which ther

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-17 Thread Mart van de Wege
Steve Litt writes: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:49:52 +0200 > Mart van de Wege wrote: > >> Steve Litt writes: >> >> > >> > And last but not least is the alternative of holding your nose and >> > using systemd. If I go that route, the first thing I'm going to do >> > is remove daemons from systemd'

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 18 September 2014 06:28:48 Don Armstrong wrote: > You might also need to either do the work to help make it supported, or > help enable other people to do the work. Do any work to get what they want? Heaven forfend! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
Sorry, John. But we should be going OT On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote: > Lisi writes: > > There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland, > > Wales and England. > > In roughly the same sense in which there are fifty countries in the USA. No. They

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014, T.J. Duchene wrote: > What I want to know with complete surety is: > > a) If I will have to have systemd installed even if I do not want it. No, unless you install something which requires systemd to be PID 1. > b) If completely purging Systemd and using an offered alterna

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote: > Ahem. *Northern* Ireland. > > *Ireland*, unqualified, is the name of the second largest of the British > Isles, and of the parliamentary republic which occupies five-sixths of > that island. Mea culpa! I stand corrected. But at that ra

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-17 Thread Raffaele Morelli
On 17/09/14 at 09:17am, John Hasler wrote: > Mart van de Wege writes: > > That's funny, because I keep seeing the same names coming up. > > And I see the same names coming up in the anti anti systemd rant rants. > > Quit ranting, ok? If you don't actually have anything to say don't say > it. If

Slight New Sound Problem

2014-09-17 Thread Martin G. McCormick
This is an older Dell system whose on-board sound chip is a CS4237 and it has worked well until I replaced the boot drive with a flash drive. This makes the system faster but audio now has a problem that I would sure like to correct as it is annoying to say the least. I began notici

OT: Pepper Flash Crashes Everywhere

2014-09-17 Thread Patrick Bartek
Anyone else experiencing this? Haven't found any reports so far. Chrome & Pepper ran fine before update/upgrade a few days ago. Figured I'd check before I started mucking about the system trying to fix it. Downloaded .deb directly from Google for the install which was about 18 months ago. System

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-17 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:16:57 -0500 "T.J. Duchene" wrote: > The decision has been made by the > Debian TC. So be it. Yeah, the nsa also made the decision to infect a max of computers and phones among other things like spying on everybody… So be it? (usual defense: "if you have nothing to hide,

Re: apache2 what is the standard way to enable modules?

2014-09-17 Thread Harry Putnam
Raffaele Morelli writes: >> Is that what you are warning about? > > Nope, my warning was to use `a2enmod cgi` instead of `a2enmod > cgi.load` (which is wrong) OK, thanks. But once again you've failed to explain the nature of the wrongness. Can you define what the nature of this wrongness is?

word clouds

2014-09-17 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hello List, is there any tools to generate `Word clouds' withing Debian ? Thanks in advance, Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/541a214b.8070...

The joy of Daemontools

2014-09-17 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, In presenting Daemontools as an alternative to a huge chunk of systemd, I politicized Daemontools. So let me say this... Regardless of *which* init system you use, many daemons are easy and logical to daemonize and control using Daemontools. The shellscripts you write to run Daemontools m

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread John Hasler
Lisi writes: > There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland, > Wales and England. In roughly the same sense in which there are fifty countries in the USA. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Gnu Guix (was: Let's have a vote!)

2014-09-17 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 17 Sep 15:44 -0500, Andre N Batista wrote: > Have any of you tested Gnu Guix > (https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/#content)? It appears to be a > promissing package manager, I'm guessing _if_ it would be easier to solve > these chain issues with it. I actually only discovered it yesterda

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Nate Bargmann
Just sail on over to this side of the pond. We can park you close to Florida. The weather is fine save for a minor summer/autumn storm every few years. We need a crisis like adding a 51st star to the flag, but that's minor. Just be sure to bring the Triumph factory along with you! It would be

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:49:52 +0200 Mart van de Wege wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > > > > And last but not least is the alternative of holding your nose and > > using systemd. If I go that route, the first thing I'm going to do > > is remove daemons from systemd's control and move them to > > D

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 18/09/14 04:31, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: > Hi, > > I tried your helping, but I get this: > > "sed: no input files" > > What should I do? "It" has only been tested with Skype 2.3.x on Wheezy with backports (both 64 and 32-bit), or later. Please post the output of the following:- lsb_release -s

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 18/09/14 02:03, Bret Busby wrote: > On 17/09/2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 17/09/14 17:05, Bret Busby wrote: >>> On 17/09/2014, Scott Ferguson >>> wrote: On 17/09/14 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > With the recently posted fix for the Microsoft attempt to close down

Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-17 Thread T.J. Duchene
I'm asking this on the user list not because I am trying to incite yet another debate over the merits of Systemd, but because I am assuming that the user list probably has the best chance of reaching out to the most people to get an answer. I do not care which init is better for what. I do not ca

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-17 Thread Mart van de Wege
John Hasler writes: > Mart van de Wege writes: >> That's funny, because I keep seeing the same names coming up. > > And I see the same names coming up in the anti anti systemd rant rants. > > Quit ranting, ok? If you don't actually have anything to say don't say > it. If you do, say it and igno

Re: applications missing after dist-upgrade

2014-09-17 Thread Paul van der Vlis
op 18-09-14 00:03, tom arnall schreef: > I recently did a dist-upgrade and found afterwards that a lot of > applications were missing: > > open office > smplayer > skype > calibre > poppler text utilities > > And about half a dozen more. And this was after only a few days use of > the new system,

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Martin Read
On 17/09/14 22:54, Lisi Reisz wrote: Ah! That is the first time you, or anyone else, ha(ve)(s) even hinted at England. And there is no English Parliament, so I don't know how you Antipodeans hear anything from non-existent English Parliamentary parties. There is a UK Parliament, an Irish Stormo

applications missing after dist-upgrade

2014-09-17 Thread tom arnall
I recently did a dist-upgrade and found afterwards that a lot of applications were missing: open office smplayer skype calibre poppler text utilities And about half a dozen more. And this was after only a few days use of the new system, i.e., i fear there may be other missing children. Is this n

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 21:20:19 Bret Busby wrote: > Out here in the federation of penal colonies - the anti-poads, what we > have heard, of the arguments and predictions of the leaders of the > parliamentary parties of the english parliament, makes it appear that > the english parliament be

Re: Gnu Guix (was: Let's have a vote!)

2014-09-17 Thread Andre N Batista
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 05:15:39PM -0700, koanhead wrote: > On 09/16/2014 03:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:05:25 -0500 Nate Bargmann > > wrote: > > > >> * On 2014 16 Sep 12:51 -0500, st wrote: > >>> Surely, I'd love to see the votes on 'What distribution > >>> currently al

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Bret Busby
On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 17 September 2014 18:06:12 Bret Busby wrote: >> And, in a couple of days time, we get to find whether the term >> "british" will just be a historical thing. > > No, the island isn't going to disappear! It may just have more than one > sovereign stat

Re: No wireless support for RTL8192EE

2014-09-17 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:51:02 +0300 softwatt wrote: > That's also understandable, hardware is a pain in the neck. :) That's a bit overestimated, I remember those days when not adding the right switche(s) to a module left the HW as good as dead (especially TV cards, it was a real PITA: tuner type

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Bob Holtzman
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 05:13:24PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > 2014/09/15 2:53 "Bartosz Olender" : > > > > I am probably one of the few people (at least from what I can see by > > following this topic) on this mailing list, that don't mind systemd and > > see that the benefits of switching to it outc

Re: No wireless support for RTL8192EE

2014-09-17 Thread softwatt
That's also understandable, hardware is a pain in the neck. :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Error with Latest Google Chrome Stable

2014-09-17 Thread Alan Chandler
On 14/09/14 23:40, Kenneth Jacker wrote: [ Debian stable ] A few days ago, I updated Chrome from: google-chrome-stable:amd64 37.0.2062.94-1 to: google-chrome-stable:amd64 37.0.2062.120-1 That update caused pages with embedded Adobe Flash to malfunction (with various nasty error wi

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-17 Thread swobje...@outlook.com
FREELOADERS! Am 17.09.2014 um 19:14 schrieb Slavko: Ahoj, Dňa Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:38:46 +0200 B napísal: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:48:39 +0200 Slavko wrote: Alas, poor Slavko ;-) I am sorry, i don't understand your reply (my poor English). Oh, sorry. I was referring to a line from S

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:34:19 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > The > island dates back to the end of the last Ice Age. And, sometimes, its mentality too ;-p) -- Chloé: What do you think about my font? William: Sorry, I don't talk font with a girl on the first evening signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 18:06:12 Bret Busby wrote: > And, in a couple of days time, we get to find whether the term > "british" will just be a historical thing. No, the island isn't going to disappear! It may just have more than one sovereign state in it. The Union is quite recent. The

Re: wiki.debian.org/LTS not reachable

2014-09-17 Thread Hans
> Both links are perfectly reachable from here via ipv6 tunnel. Consider > using one if you haven't already. Try it via https just in case as an > alternative. > > Reco Hi Reco, both links are working now here, too. As I am working over TOR-network, it might be, that the TOR-network caused the

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-17 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:38:46 +0200 B napísal: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:48:39 +0200 > Slavko wrote: > > > > Alas, poor Slavko ;-) > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry, i don't understand your reply (my poor English). > > Oh, sorry. > > I was referring to a line from Shakespeare into H

Re: is compiz dead ie unavailable in Jessie?

2014-09-17 Thread swobje...@outlook.com
Communists freeloaders! Am 17.09.2014 um 19:16 schrieb Reco: Hi. On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:11:23 +0100 Michael Fothergill wrote: Dear Debian folks, Is compiz no longer usable in Jessie - no deb package and no longer maintained? This project is dead as far as upstream concerned for, like, tw

Re: wiki.debian.org/LTS not reachable

2014-09-17 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:13:46 +0200 Hans wrote: > Hi folks, > > is there any particular reason, why > > wiki.debian.org/LTS > > and > > https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using > > are not accessible? I get "Forbidden". > > Thanks for reading. Both links are perfectly reachable from here vi

Re: is compiz dead ie unavailable in Jessie?

2014-09-17 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:11:23 +0100 Michael Fothergill wrote: > Dear Debian folks, > > Is compiz no longer usable in Jessie - no deb package and no longer > maintained? This project is dead as far as upstream concerned for, like, two years - [1]. And for the most of us compiz died back in

Re: is compiz dead ie unavailable in Jessie?

2014-09-17 Thread Hans
Am Mittwoch, 17. September 2014, 18:11:23 schrieb Michael Fothergill: > Dear Debian folks, > > Is compiz no longer usable in Jessie - no deb package and no longer > maintained? > > Is there anything that would replace it or is going end up like project > looking glass? > > Regards > > Michael F

wiki.debian.org/LTS not reachable

2014-09-17 Thread Hans
Hi folks, is there any particular reason, why wiki.debian.org/LTS and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using are not accessible? I get "Forbidden". Thanks for reading. Best regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble

is compiz dead ie unavailable in Jessie?

2014-09-17 Thread Michael Fothergill
Dear Debian folks, Is compiz no longer usable in Jessie - no deb package and no longer maintained? Is there anything that would replace it or is going end up like project looking glass? Regards Michael Fothergill

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Hans
Hi Bret, > Hello, Hans. > > Thank you for the offer (I think that you may have offered it before, > for my Debian 7.x installation, but I am not sure). Yes, I mentioned this offer before here. > However, whilst you have said that it is written for testing, but > should run on stable, would th

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Bret Busby
On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 17 September 2014 16:54:02 Curt wrote: >> On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: >> > > I think that was humor (smiley). >> > >> > Really? I did not see any. >> >> Yes, that's obvious enough. >> >> > > I was going to ask you what the whole >> > > t

Re: mini-howto: set jessie to use sysvinit

2014-09-17 Thread Brian
On Wed 17 Sep 2014 at 10:30:28 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Start by installing a clean jessie from debian-installer. Your "installing a clean jessie" may not be the same as someone else's "installing a clean jessie". Do you mean the following procedure will not produce any stumbling blocks what

Re: No wireless support for RTL8192EE

2014-09-17 Thread Brian
On Wed 17 Sep 2014 at 19:46:21 +0300, softwatt wrote: > On 09/17/2014 07:43 PM, Brian wrote: > > Resolve the situation of not having any functional WiFi? Purchase a USB > > device which does work with Debian. Normal working can then be easily > > achieved. > > I already do that. But some things h

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Bret Busby
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:36 +0200, Hans wrote: > Hi Bret! > > Try to download my fixed package from here: > > http://www.ccpeine.de/downloads/skype-debian-4.2.0.11-2_i386.deb > > I am running testing, but should also run on stable (but not tested!) > > Good luck! > > Hans > > Hello, Hans. Thank yo

Re: No wireless support for RTL8192EE

2014-09-17 Thread softwatt
On 09/17/2014 07:43 PM, Brian wrote: > Resolve the situation of not having any functional WiFi? Purchase a USB > device which does work with Debian. Normal working can then be easily > achieved. I already do that. But some things have the so-called "hacking value". I want to fix this for the sake

Re: No wireless support for RTL8192EE

2014-09-17 Thread Brian
On Wed 17 Sep 2014 at 19:01:59 +0300, softwatt wrote: > I recently bought a Lenovo Thinkpad T440P. The wireless driver did work > out of the box. It was not even recognized by the system. A quick search > revealed I am not the only one with the issue. I later learned that the > Wireless adapter re

Re: No wireless support for RTL8192EE

2014-09-17 Thread softwatt
On 09/17/2014 07:09 PM, B wrote: > By default, NM doesn't manage any I/F that is cited > into /etc/network/interfaces; so you must either comment lines > in this file or enable the management of these I/F into NM > conf file. > Thanks! It's working surprisingly well. I will test it before con

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Hans
Hi Bret! Try to download my fixed package from here: http://www.ccpeine.de/downloads/skype-debian-4.2.0.11-2_i386.deb I am running testing, but should also run on stable (but not tested!) Good luck! Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "u

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Lisi Reisz writes: > Sorry Gian Uberto Lauri, this is an international list, but it is also an > English speaking one. Native speakers will occasionally stray into humour > which is not obvious to all nationalities. I knew I should have not opened this e-mail according to the "Never argue...

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Curt writes: > > Still can't see the humor. Maybe you guys have something strong to share... > > Merely a cinematic reference. My error, they told me! Never argue... -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Bret Busby
On 18/09/2014, B wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 00:03:53 +0800 > Bret Busby wrote: > >> >> (:4748): Gtk-WARNING **: >> >> /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so: wrong ELF class: >> >> ELFCLASS64 > > At 1st sight, I'd say that it needs a 32bits lib and found instead a > 64bits one. >

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-17 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/17/2014 10:48 AM, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:40:40 +0200 B napísal: > >> On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:17:19 +0200 >> Slavko wrote: >> >>> If yes, >>> then "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" ... >> >> Alas, poor Slavko ;-) >> >> > > I am sorry, i don't unde

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Reco
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 00:12:43 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > I am unfamiliar (I do not know which is which) with the Debian version > names relative to the version numbers, but I am using Debian 6 LTS, > and, etc/apt/sources.list , show it to be Debian squeeze-lts. Ok. Let me rephrase - you're one majo

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Bret Busby
On 17/09/2014, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 03:05:05PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: >> However, ... >> >> " >> :~# cp /usr/bin/skype{,.bak} >> root@bret-dd-workstation:~# Old=$(skype -v | head -n1 | cut -d " " >> -f2);sed -i "s/$Old/4.3.0.37/g" >> >> (:4748): Gtk-WARNING **: >> /usr/

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 16:54:02 Curt wrote: > On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > I think that was humor (smiley). > > > > Really? I did not see any. > > Yes, that's obvious enough. > > > > I was going to ask you what the whole > > > the thing had to do with Blade Runner, but I d

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 00:03:53 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > >> (:4748): Gtk-WARNING **: > >> /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so: wrong ELF class: > >> ELFCLASS64 At 1st sight, I'd say that it needs a 32bits lib and found instead a 64bits one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-r

Re: mysql command waiting endlessly (lenny)

2014-09-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Le 17.09.2014 17:33, Don Armstrong a écrit : > >In the future, these details would be helpful. > > I have said in my first post: > > > but when it connect through the mysql program, there is no prompt. > >Through the odbc program (isql),

Re: No wireless support for RTL8192EE

2014-09-17 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:01:59 +0300 softwatt wrote: > So, I cloned the repo, compiled and installed. > Now, network-manager does detect the adapter, but it says "device not > managed". If i run `iwconfig` in a terminal, the device appears as > "managed". The device is not detected by `ifconfig`.

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Bret Busby
On 17/09/2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 17/09/14 17:05, Bret Busby wrote: >> On 17/09/2014, Scott Ferguson >> wrote: >>> On 17/09/14 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. With the recently posted fix for the Microsoft attempt to close down skype; the fix involving the use of a hex

No wireless support for RTL8192EE

2014-09-17 Thread softwatt
I recently bought a Lenovo Thinkpad T440P. The wireless driver did work out of the box. It was not even recognized by the system. A quick search revealed I am not the only one with the issue. I later learned that the Wireless adapter requires a driver called RTL8192EE, which is not supported by Lin

Re: mysql command waiting endlessly (lenny)

2014-09-17 Thread berenger . morel
Le 17.09.2014 17:33, Don Armstrong a écrit : On Wed, 17 Sep 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.09.2014 19:46, Don Armstrong a écrit : >Most likely, you've created a configuration where the machine in >question is unable to access 3306. I do not think so, since the isql command (

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Curt
On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > > I think that was humor (smiley). > > Really? I did not see any. Yes, that's obvious enough. > > I was going to ask you what the whole > > the thing had to do with Blade Runner, but I didn't. > Still can't see the humor. Maybe you guys have someth

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-17 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:48:39 +0200 Slavko wrote: > > Alas, poor Slavko ;-) > > > > > > I am sorry, i don't understand your reply (my poor English). Oh, sorry. I was referring to a line from Shakespeare into Hamlet (when he grabs a skull and talk to him: 'alas, poor Yorick…') -- I just wa

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 15:48:39 Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:40:40 +0200 B napísal: > > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:17:19 +0200 > > > > Slavko wrote: > > > If yes, > > > then "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" ... > > > > Alas, poor Slavko ;-) > > I am sorr

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-17 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/17/2014 at 10:17 AM, John Hasler wrote: > Mart van de Wege writes: > >> That's funny, because I keep seeing the same names coming up. > > And I see the same names coming up in the anti anti systemd rant > rants. > > Quit ranting, ok? If y

Re: Replacement RAID hard drives - do they have to be "clean"?

2014-09-17 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary Dale wrote: > On 16/09/14 03:03 PM, Ken Heard wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> One of my boxes has a RAID1 using two Seagate SATA 3.0 1 tb hard drives. >> I need to replace one of them, and I would like to use as

Re: mysql command waiting endlessly (lenny)

2014-09-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Le 16.09.2014 19:46, Don Armstrong a écrit : > >Most likely, you've created a configuration where the machine in > >question is unable to access 3306. > > I do not think so, since the isql command (which uses odbc driver) > works, and is

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-17 Thread green
koanhead wrote at 2014-09-16 19:15 -0500: > Lest we forget, you can have FreeBSD *and* Debian at the same time: > > https://www.debian.org/ports/ > > Specifically, https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ - but if you > get tired of the ease-of-use and hardware support of kFreeBSD, there's > al

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-17 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:40:40 +0200 B napísal: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:17:19 +0200 > Slavko wrote: > > > If yes, > > then "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" ... > > Alas, poor Slavko ;-) > > I am sorry, i don't understand your reply (my poor English). regards -- S

mini-howto: set jessie to use sysvinit

2014-09-17 Thread Dan Ritter
Start by installing a clean jessie from debian-installer. After boot: # apt-get install sysv-rc sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils # echo udev_log=\"err\" >> /etc/udev/udev.conf # update-initramfs -k all -u # shutdown -r now when it reboots, it is running sysvinit: $ pstree init─┬─acpid ├─at

SFTP chroot and FileZilla question

2014-09-17 Thread David Parker
Hello, I have set up a Debian Wheezy box as a simple SFTP server. I have created an SFTP-only user account and configured SSH to jail the account to its home directory with the following in sshd_config: Subsystem sftp internal-sftp Match group radius ChrootDirectory /home

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-17 Thread John Hasler
Mart van de Wege writes: > That's funny, because I keep seeing the same names coming up. And I see the same names coming up in the anti anti systemd rant rants. Quit ranting, ok? If you don't actually have anything to say don't say it. If you do, say it and ignore the ranters. -- John Hasler

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Curt writes: > On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > > > > Ummm, what has the Macintosh got to do with this? :) > > > > Nothing. I was talking about GNU/Linux. > > > > I think that was humor (smiley). Really? I did not see any. > I was going to ask you what the whole > the th

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/17/2014 at 04:13 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > Guys we've got better things to do than get sucked into this kind > of quibbling. > > Steve's working on alternatives to debian+systemd.* and I'm trying > to figure out what useful function systemd and

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-17 Thread John Hasler
Mart van de Wege writes: > I really don't get this. In your distaste for systemd you end up > reimplenting it with twine and baling wire. He's reimplementing sysvinit with twine and baling wire. Still pointless: why not use the real thing? -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA --

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Curt
On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > > Ummm, what has the Macintosh got to do with this? :) > > Nothing. I was talking about GNU/Linux. > I think that was humor (smiley). I was going to ask you what the whole the thing had to do with Blade Runner, but I didn't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Chris Bannister writes: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 06:20:46PM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > > Often in the past young people arrived screaming "We have the great > > new thing that will change all", and a lot of "great new things" were > > lost in time like tears in rain... > > Ummm

Re: trying to remove wicd

2014-09-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 14:12:27 Curt wrote: > On 2014-09-16, tom arnall wrote: > > root@debian:~#/home/tom/system/wireless# apt-get purge wicd > > Reading package lists... Done > > Building dependency tree > > Reading state information... Done > > Package 'wicd' is not installed, so not re

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-17 Thread Mart van de Wege
Steve Litt writes: > > Like I said to Lisi, every time you shush one of us, three more pop up. That's funny, because I keep seeing the same names coming up. Enough that I am considering downscoring 2 or 3 users and all replies to them, regardless of subject, because it would kill 90% of the same

Re: trying to remove wicd

2014-09-17 Thread Curt
On 2014-09-16, tom arnall wrote: > > root@debian:~#/home/tom/system/wireless# apt-get purge wicd > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Package 'wicd' is not installed, so not removed !! > 0 upgraded, 0 newly insta

Re: Let's have a vote!

2014-09-17 Thread Mart van de Wege
Steve Litt writes: > > And last but not least is the alternative of holding your nose and > using systemd. If I go that route, the first thing I'm going to do is > remove daemons from systemd's control and move them to Daemontools. As > a matter of fact, I've created a cron replacement in Python,

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 06:20:46PM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > Often in the past young people arrived screaming "We have the great > new thing that will change all", and a lot of "great new things" were > lost in time like tears in rain... Ummm, what has the Macintosh got to do with this?

Re: mysql command waiting endlessly (lenny)

2014-09-17 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.09.2014 19:46, Don Armstrong a écrit : On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: On a old lenny, we have a software which have to connect to a server of the same LAN (we do not have physical access to any stuff, and we can only connect through ssh to that client computer

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 03:05:05PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > However, ... > > " > :~# cp /usr/bin/skype{,.bak} > root@bret-dd-workstation:~# Old=$(skype -v | head -n1 | cut -d " " > -f2);sed -i "s/$Old/4.3.0.37/g" > > (:4748): Gtk-WARNING **: > /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks

Re: speeding up sysvinit boot on Jessie

2014-09-17 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 09:13:27AM +0200, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > Take a look at bug #754987. If I remember correctly, Michael Biebl also > suggested on this list to replace the line > > do_everything > /dev/null 2> /dev/null & > > in file /lib/udev/net.agent > > by > > ( do_everything ) > /

Re: trying to remove wicd

2014-09-17 Thread Joel Roth
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:05:00AM -0400, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > I tested "dpkg -s wicd" and received back the "Package `wicd' is not > installed" error. > Tried "which wicd" not expecting to find anything and instead was told > "/usr/sbin/wicd". I think you want dpkg -S /usr/sbin/wicd --

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 17/09/14 17:05, Bret Busby wrote: > On 17/09/2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 17/09/14 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> With the recently posted fix for the Microsoft attempt to close down >>> skype; the fix involving the use of a hex editor, to cause faking the >>> skype version nu

ufw on KVM host server for KVM guest

2014-09-17 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
i don't know if this is related to Debian or not however as bridging of the interface is involve in this question i hope you guys will not mind. i have a KVM visualization server and i want the inside hosts to control via UFW. i some i add a below line in before.rule file -I FORWARD -m physdev --p

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Bartosz Olender
W dniu 17.09.2014 10:13, Joel Rees pisze: > > Very nice social engineering job. Turned into a nice tarpit, too. > You are really overrating my ability, all I wanted to do was to share my opinion and start a mature discussion about why systemd is not welcome in the Linux community. And honestly

Re: docker -> cgroupfs ->mountall -> plymouth ?

2014-09-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-09-16 10:51 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by > docker) require a graphical boot ? > (and if following the the recommends, install desktop-base, on a server... ? > > SHould I report a bug against mountall ? Rather agains

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Joel Rees writes: > Steve's working on alternatives to debian+systemd.* and I'm trying to > figure out what useful function systemd and friends really perform so that > we can make something that the developers can use instead. Steve seems to > be having more success than I. Nice to read this!

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Joel Rees
2014/09/15 2:53 "Bartosz Olender" : > > I am probably one of the few people (at least from what I can see by > following this topic) on this mailing list, that don't mind systemd and > see that the benefits of switching to it outclass the negatives. > Therefore I want to poke my three cents into th

Re: speeding up sysvinit boot on Jessie

2014-09-17 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Take a look at bug #754987. If I remember correctly, Michael Biebl also suggested on this list to replace the line do_everything > /dev/null 2> /dev/null & in file /lib/udev/net.agent by ( do_everything ) > /dev/null 2> /dev/null & -- Regards, Jörg-Volker. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debi

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Bret Busby
On 17/09/2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 17/09/14 15:16, Bret Busby wrote: >> Hello. >> >> With the recently posted fix for the Microsoft attempt to close down >> skype; the fix involving the use of a hex editor, to cause faking the >> skype version number, to pretend to be 4.3 (I think it is tha

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Steve Litt writes: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:20:46 +0200 > "Gian Uberto Lauri" wrote: > > > > Often in the past young people arrived screaming "We have the great > > new thing that will change all", and a lot of "great new things" were > > lost in time like tears in rain... > > Let's n