Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Ric Moore
On 09/03/2014 01:19 AM, Doug wrote: On 09/03/2014 12:50 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 9/3/14, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 02 September 2014 17:06:58 Steve Litt wrote: So, Lisi, is it your contention that the developers don't look at this list, and don't care what's written on it? By and la

Re: vlan not tagging packets | no reply to vlan

2014-09-02 Thread Cam Hutchison
"Podrigal, Aron" writes: >Hi there, >I'm trying to setup vlans on debian wheezy 7.6. But I can't get it to work. >Is there something special I'm missing out there? I tried searching around, >but I didn't get any further. >I couldn't figure out where this is going wrong. Looks like either the >p

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 03 September 2014 06:56:53 Erwan David wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 07:25:19AM CEST, Lisi Reisz said: > > On Wednesday 03 September 2014 06:19:15 Doug wrote: > > > OK, guys. What is the best way to communicate with developers, not just > > > in the Debian crew, but devs from othe

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Erwan David
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 07:25:19AM CEST, Lisi Reisz said: > On Wednesday 03 September 2014 06:19:15 Doug wrote: > > OK, guys. What is the best way to communicate with developers, not just > > in the Debian crew, but devs from other popular systems, like Ubuntu, > > PCLOS, Centos, etc. > > The Deb

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Erwan David
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 02:22:24AM CEST, Miles Fidelman said: > Martin Read wrote: > >On 02/09/14 19:55, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >>Erwan David wrote: > >> > >>>aptitude remove systemd -> downgrade almost everything to stable... > >>>Ok no program present in stable should depend on systemd... > >>>

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Erwan David
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 11:14:52PM CEST, Martin Read said: > On 02/09/14 19:55, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >Erwan David wrote: > > > >>aptitude remove systemd -> downgrade almost everything to stable... > >>Ok no program present in stable should depend on systemd... > >> > >>that's a lot of bugs to op

Debian 7.X : 2TB HD installation successful but not booting

2014-09-02 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
i have a 2TB hard disk and installation went fine no errors. however i can not manage to boot it from hard disk. my partitions are like this. 1. /boot : Boot Flag ON. 1. Swap : Boot Flag Off. 1. / : Boot Flag off. but the weird part is when i press "F10" and select harddrive to boot it amaz

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 03 September 2014 06:19:15 Doug wrote: > OK, guys. What is the best way to communicate with developers, not just > in the Debian crew, but devs from other popular systems, like Ubuntu, > PCLOS, Centos, etc. The Debian ones, on the Debian developers list. Though I doubt they would to

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Doug
On 09/03/2014 12:50 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 9/3/14, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 02 September 2014 17:06:58 Steve Litt wrote: So, Lisi, is it your contention that the developers don't look at this list, and don't care what's written on it? By and large, yes. If you want to communicate

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/3/14, Clemens Eisserer wrote: >> Then again, endless spreading of FUD on a list that is powerless to do >> anything about the situation, could, and should, be regarded as trolling. > > +1. > Please stop! -1. Please continue. At least one new thread a week bashing systemd. We all need more h

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/3/14, Erwan David wrote: > Le 02/09/2014 19:03, Lisi Reisz a écrit : >> On Tuesday 02 September 2014 17:06:58 Steve Litt wrote: >>> So, Lisi, is it your contention that the developers don't look at this >>> list, and don't care what's written on it? >> By and large, yes. If you want to commu

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/3/14, Curt wrote: > On 2014-09-02, B wrote: >> Hmm, this (sad) article raises a crucial question that supersedes >> those about systemd: can we _really_ *trust* Debian to defend us >> against morons, such as nsa and other assholes' agencies? > > You should worry more about your own assho

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/3/14, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 02 September 2014 17:06:58 Steve Litt wrote: >> So, Lisi, is it your contention that the developers don't look at this >> list, and don't care what's written on it? > > By and large, yes. If you want to communicate with developers, communicate > > with de

Re: How to mount a LUKS partiotion with Nautilus with option discard?

2014-09-02 Thread Joerg Desch
Am Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:59:38 +0200 schrieb Jochen Spieker: > This is missing the discard flag from your crypttab entry. It appears > that Gnome ignores your settings. Is it ignored by Gnome or by udisk? > Either ask upstream (i.e. Gnome people) or open a bug report for > nautilus. Are you sure

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/3/14, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 16:41:26 +0200 > Tony van der Hoff wrote: >> Then again, endless spreading of FUD on a list that is powerless to do >> anything about the situation, could, and should, be regarded as >> trolling. >> >> We have seen countless threads on the suppos

vlan not tagging packets | no reply to vlan

2014-09-02 Thread Podrigal, Aron
Hi there, I'm trying to setup vlans on debian wheezy 7.6. But I can't get it to work. Is there something special I'm missing out there? I tried searching around, but I didn't get any further. I couldn't figure out where this is going wrong. Looks like either the packets going out the vlan is not

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/3/14, Erwan David wrote: > On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 04:05:53PM CEST, Lisi Reisz > said: >> This endless verbosity will not make one iota of difference. >> Lobby those who might be able to do something if you feel >> like it, e.g. the developers. But >> it really doesn't count as support for u

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/3/14, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > On 02/09/14 16:14, Miles Fidelman wrote: >> Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> This endless verbosity will not make one iota of difference. >>> Lobby those who >>> might be able to do something if you feel like it, e.g. the >>> developers. But >>> it really doesn't count

Re: Can't reboot nor shutdown

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:26:32 -0400 Gary Dale wrote: > Can't help you with the error message but to shutdown, have you tried > the SysRq key? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key for > details. > > This often gives you all kinds of ways of getting around an otherwise > frozen system

Re: Can't reboot nor shutdown

2014-09-02 Thread Gary Dale
On 02/09/14 10:49 PM, B wrote: Hi list, on my latptop (lightdm + XFCE) I can't reboot nor shutdown properly; each command ends with a black screen with a blinking cursor at top left and that's all. I waited several times more than 5 minutes, hoping some timeout was there, but nope; stopping

Can't reboot nor shutdown

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
Hi list, on my latptop (lightdm + XFCE) I can't reboot nor shutdown properly; each command ends with a black screen with a blinking cursor at top left and that's all. I waited several times more than 5 minutes, hoping some timeout was there, but nope; stopping with the power button isn't very good

Re: brasero requires gvfs

2014-09-02 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 04:35:24PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > Am 02.09.2014 22:18, schrieb Rob Owens: > > > > I removed the systemd package from my Jessie system, and it took > > > > brasero with it. Brasero depends on gvfs, and gvfs has some > > > > trail of dependencies that leads to sys

Re: SRA, secure remote access?

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:40:10 -0700 pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Can Debian support this telnet SRA login to another system? May be this could help you: http://helpdesk.princeton.edu/kb/display.plx?ID=1157 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsu

Re: brasero requires gvfs

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:44:16 -0400 Doug wrote: > It didn't need systemd before, so why should it need it now? Hehe, because it sinks his claws deep and everywhere (it also plans to implant dbus _into_ the kernel (WTF? A kernel is here to kernelling and nothing else AFAIK), and also… a DHCP of

Re: jessie and new asus with i7 and gtx850m video drivers

2014-09-02 Thread Devrin Talen
Hi jessie user, Is it an option to try out the current stable release (Debian wheezy) and see if you're at least able to function with that? Or have you tried that already? It's not unheard of for stability to take a step backwards for a while on the testing and unstable branches for a while unt

SRA, secure remote access?

2014-09-02 Thread peter
In a NetBSD system, $ telnet localhost ... Trying SRA secure login: User (me): Password: [ SRA accepts you ] $ Helpful documentation about SRA hasn't turned up. In a Debian system on the local network this happens. $ telnet netbsdsystem Trying 172.25.2.2... Connected to netbsdsystem.invalid

Re: brasero requires gvfs

2014-09-02 Thread Doug
On 09/02/2014 07:35 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Tue, 02 Sep 2014, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: "Michael Biebl" Am 02.09.2014 22:18, schrieb Rob Owens: I removed the systemd package from my Jessie system, and it took brasero with it. Brasero depends on gvfs, and gvf

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Miles Fidelman
Martin Read wrote: On 02/09/14 19:55, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Erwan David wrote: aptitude remove systemd -> downgrade almost everything to stable... Ok no program present in stable should depend on systemd... that's a lot of bugs to open... Erwan, the whole of my Wheezy desktop system as I kn

Re: brasero requires gvfs

2014-09-02 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014, Rob Owens wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "Michael Biebl" > > > > Am 02.09.2014 22:18, schrieb Rob Owens: > > > I removed the systemd package from my Jessie system, and it took > > > brasero with it. Brasero depends on gvfs, and gvfs has some > > > trail of

Re: finding a dependency chain

2014-09-02 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 02 Sep 2014 at 14:21:06 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: > >> Huh, and from this I just found that in Experimental there is a new >> version of policykit-1 that depends on "systemd" directly and also... >> libmozjs??? That sounds odd... > > The libm

Re: 2 GDM3 questions

2014-09-02 Thread Rob Owens
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 11:48:47PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > op 02-09-14 22:04, Rob Owens schreef: > > - Original Message - > >> From: "Paul van der Vlis" > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> How can I remove the data GDM3 stores? Background: When I login > >> with GDM with an LDAP user GD

Re: finding a dependency chain

2014-09-02 Thread Brian
On Tue 02 Sep 2014 at 14:21:06 -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: > Huh, and from this I just found that in Experimental there is a new > version of policykit-1 that depends on "systemd" directly and also... > libmozjs??? That sounds odd... The libmozjs dependency is probably because .rules files have r

Re: How to mount a LUKS partiotion with Nautilus with option discard?

2014-09-02 Thread Jochen Spieker
Joerg Desch: > Am Mon, 01 Sep 2014 09:48:30 +0200 schrieb Jochen Spieker: >> Joerg Desch: >>> >>> I'm using a separate LUKS encrypted partition on my SSD, which I only >>> mount after login. Since there is now way to to this with >>> crypttab/fstab, I have to use Nautilus to do this. >> >> Hm? I

Re: 2 GDM3 questions

2014-09-02 Thread Paul van der Vlis
op 02-09-14 23:29, Bob Proulx schreef: > Rob Owens wrote: >> Paul van der Vlis wrote: >>> Another GDM3 question: >>> How can I change the "system default" desktop for all users? >> >> I *think* this might be set by running update-alternatives --config >> x-window-manager > > I think x-session-mana

Re: 2 GDM3 questions

2014-09-02 Thread Paul van der Vlis
op 02-09-14 22:04, Rob Owens schreef: > - Original Message - >> From: "Paul van der Vlis" >> >> Hello, >> >> How can I remove the data GDM3 stores? Background: When I login >> with GDM with an LDAP user GDM remembers this user and present them >> the next time. I've used some testusers w

Re: 2 GDM3 questions

2014-09-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Rob Owens wrote: > Paul van der Vlis wrote: > > Another GDM3 question: > > How can I change the "system default" desktop for all users? > > I *think* this might be set by running update-alternatives --config > x-window-manager I think x-session-manager instead. :-) Bob signature.asc Descriptio

Re: Network speed drop down to 10MBPS for unknown reason.

2014-09-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > i am using wheezy 7.x and for some unknown reason my network speed drop > down to 10MBPS. > i can see anything in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog related to the > issue. when i restart the server it back to normal and shows above 50MBPS > while transferring file.

Re: Any php backport for Wheezy

2014-09-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Virgo Pärna wrote: > I have been trying to search, but there do not appear to be any > backports of newer php for Wheezy. Am I correct? There does not seem > to be any version in official backports repositry. For PHP I suggest setting up a chroot. The problem I usually have is needing an olde

Re: finding a dependency chain

2014-09-02 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > I'm trying to figure out, for example, what causes brasero to ultimately > depend on systemd. I found a utility called debtree, but it produces too > much output to be of use to me -- it shows all dependency chains starting at > brasero, but I

Re: preseed

2014-09-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Diogene Laerce wrote: > Brian wrote: > >gzip -d < initrd.gz | cpio --extract --verbose --make-directories > > --no-absolute-filenames > > Yes ! It did work. I still have to figure out how to fit this in the > tuto.. But It works ! You didn't say what you were trying to do. But if you are si

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Martin Read
On 02/09/14 19:55, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Erwan David wrote: aptitude remove systemd -> downgrade almost everything to stable... Ok no program present in stable should depend on systemd... that's a lot of bugs to open... Erwan, the whole of my Wheezy desktop system as I know it seems to be lo

finding a dependency chain

2014-09-02 Thread Rob Owens
I'm trying to figure out, for example, what causes brasero to ultimately depend on systemd. I found a utility called debtree, but it produces too much output to be of use to me -- it shows all dependency chains starting at brasero, but I am only interested in the one that ends at systemd. Can

Re: brasero requires gvfs

2014-09-02 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Michael Biebl" > > Am 02.09.2014 22:18, schrieb Rob Owens: > > I removed the systemd package from my Jessie system, and it took brasero > > with it. Brasero depends on gvfs, and gvfs has some trail of dependencies > > that leads to systemd. I'm thinking tha

Re: brasero requires gvfs

2014-09-02 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 02.09.2014 22:18, schrieb Rob Owens: > I removed the systemd package from my Jessie system, and it took brasero with > it. Brasero depends on gvfs, and gvfs has some trail of dependencies that > leads to systemd. I'm thinking that the gvfs dependency doesn't make sense > for brasero, but I

brasero requires gvfs

2014-09-02 Thread Rob Owens
I removed the systemd package from my Jessie system, and it took brasero with it. Brasero depends on gvfs, and gvfs has some trail of dependencies that leads to systemd. I'm thinking that the gvfs dependency doesn't make sense for brasero, but I wanted to get input from this list before I file

Cannot use "line in" of USB CM106 Like Sound Device on 32 bit debian testing.

2014-09-02 Thread Sietse Achterop
Dear list, I have a problem that does NOT occur on 2 of my machines (a new 64 bit laptop with Debian testing, and a 64 bit desktop with Ubuntu 14.04) but DOES occur on my 32 bit laptop that also runs Debian testing. All machines are fairly clean, the 32 bit laptop is freshly installed yesterd

Re: 2 GDM3 questions

2014-09-02 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Paul van der Vlis" > > Hello, > > How can I remove the data GDM3 stores? > Background: When I login with GDM with an LDAP user GDM remembers this > user and present them the next time. I've used some testusers with > strange names and I would like to remove

Re: 2 GDM3 questions

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:59:05 +0200 Paul van der Vlis wrote: > Background: When I login with GDM with an LDAP user GDM remembers this > user and present them the next time. I've used some testusers with > strange names and I would like to remove these users, because I want to > make an image of th

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Brian
On Tue 02 Sep 2014 at 11:55:24 -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Erwan David wrote: > > >aptitude remove systemd -> downgrade almost everything to stable... > >Ok no program present in stable should depend on systemd... > > > >that's a lot of bugs to open... > > > Erwan, the whole of my Wheezy desk

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Clemens Eisserer
> Then again, endless spreading of FUD on a list that is powerless to do > anything about the situation, could, and should, be regarded as trolling. +1. Please stop! - Clemens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact li

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Jimmy Johnson
Erwan David wrote: aptitude remove systemd -> downgrade almost everything to stable... Ok no program present in stable should depend on systemd... that's a lot of bugs to open... Erwan, the whole of my Wheezy desktop system as I know it seems to be locked into 'libsystemd-login0' and imposa

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 12:29:06 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Erwan David writes: > > Please read the article pointed by the OP. > > Nobody is going to impose any changes on the Debian packaging system. > That's a nonstarter. Four years ago, would you have thought that an init system requiring hooks

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 18:03:41 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > Do stop bellyaching to no avail. If you feel that Lennart should be > stopped, find a way of stopping him. But this is not it. > > Lisi He who forgets history is bound to repeat it. Mid to late 1990's, lots of people were sick and tired

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:38:42 +0200 B wrote: > On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:33:12 +0200 > Erwan David wrote: > > > Even if in some later version systemd works only with this kind of > > scheme ? > > I join John about that, Debian as the very best packaging system, > moving to RPM would clobber any

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Erwan David
Le 02/09/2014 19:58, John Hasler a écrit : > Erwan David writes: >> Please read the article pointed by the OP. > I wrote: >> Nobody is going to impose any changes on the Debian packaging system. >> That's a nonstarter. > Erwan David writes: >> Even if in some later version systemd works only with

2 GDM3 questions

2014-09-02 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Hello, How can I remove the data GDM3 stores? Background: When I login with GDM with an LDAP user GDM remembers this user and present them the next time. I've used some testusers with strange names and I would like to remove these users, because I want to make an image of this machine. "apt-get pu

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread John Hasler
Erwan David writes: > Please read the article pointed by the OP. I wrote: > Nobody is going to impose any changes on the Debian packaging system. > That's a nonstarter. Erwan David writes: > Even if in some later version systemd works only with this kind of > scheme ? Yes. Remember the LSB? W

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Erwan David
Le 02/09/2014 19:38, B a écrit : > On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:33:12 +0200 > Erwan David wrote: > >> Even if in some later version systemd works only with this kind of >> scheme ? > I join John about that, Debian as the very best packaging system, > moving to RPM would clobber any hope to stay in t

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:33:12 +0200 Erwan David wrote: > Even if in some later version systemd works only with this kind of > scheme ? I join John about that, Debian as the very best packaging system, moving to RPM would clobber any hope to stay in the lead, despite the A grade quality of its mai

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:06:29 +0200 Erwan David wrote: > So which lists are you > speaking of ? The systemd list, may be? OK, I ->[] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https:/

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 17:04:45 + (UTC) Curt wrote: > You should worry more about your own assholes and morons (of course, > that doesn't "sell" to the gallery as well, now does it?) > > http://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2014/03/20/dgse-orange-des-liaisons-incestueuses_4386264_3210.htm

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Erwan David
Le 02/09/2014 19:29, John Hasler a écrit : > Erwan David writes: >> Please read the article pointed by the OP. > Nobody is going to impose any changes on the Debian packaging system. > That's a nonstarter. Even if in some later version systemd works only with this kind of scheme ? -- To UNSUBSC

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread John Hasler
Erwan David writes: > Please read the article pointed by the OP. Nobody is going to impose any changes on the Debian packaging system. That's a nonstarter. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "u

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 02 September 2014 18:06:29 Erwan David wrote: > Please read the article pointed by the OP. I have. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Erwan David
Le 02/09/2014 19:03, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > On Tuesday 02 September 2014 17:06:58 Steve Litt wrote: >> So, Lisi, is it your contention that the developers don't look at this >> list, and don't care what's written on it? > By and large, yes. If you want to communicate with developers, communicate

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Curt
On 2014-09-02, B wrote: > > Hmm, this (sad) article raises a crucial question that supersedes > those about systemd: can we _really_ *trust* Debian to defend us > against morons, such as nsa and other assholes' agencies? > You should worry more about your own assholes and morons (of course,

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 02 September 2014 17:06:58 Steve Litt wrote: > So, Lisi, is it your contention that the developers don't look at this > list, and don't care what's written on it? By and large, yes. If you want to communicate with developers, communicate with developers. Some of them hang around here

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 16:41:26 +0200 Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > Then again, endless spreading of FUD on a list that is powerless to do > anything about the situation, could, and should, be regarded as > trolling. > > We have seen countless threads on the supposed evilness of systemd, > all origi

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 15:05:53 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 02 September 2014 14:52:46 Joe wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 23:44:49 +1200 > > So is this vision of the future not likely to affect Debian, then? I > > get the impression it is expected to do so. > > This endless verbosity will n

Re: OT: Strange boot behavior after upgrade on Asus chromebook

2014-09-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 00:39:49 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > This posting is slightly off-topic because the OS in > question is Ubuntu, which I ended up using because the [clip] > The PC is a $200 chromebook that I set up for my dad to use. > I visit him a few couple times a year, so I try > to keep th

Re: Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:33:48 -0400 The Wanderer wrote: Ok for file≠command, both of you; anyway, I can't find my messages into either of them (and the originals are too fast to disappear to be taken in picture by my smartphone:( Note that this isn

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 08:05:33 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Maybe you should do some reading and maybe run Debian testing > http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/ > Hmm, this (sad) article raises a crucial question that supersedes those a

Re: Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/02/2014 at 11:21 AM, B wrote: > On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:13:02 -0400 The Wanderer > wrote: > >> I often find that there is text in dmesg which - to the best of >> my ability to determine - is not visible in any file under >> /var/log/. >

Re: Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-09-02 17:13 +0200, The Wanderer wrote: > On 09/02/2014 at 10:05 AM, B wrote: > >> On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 09:44:36 -0400 The Wanderer >> wrote: >> >>> Did you already check dmesg? That's where I usually find the >>> messages which appear during a(n attempt at) suspend/resume. >> >> Of

Re: Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread Erwan David
Le 02/09/2014 17:21, B a écrit : > On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:13:02 -0400 > The Wanderer wrote: > > > I often find that there is text in dmesg which - to the best of my > > ability to determine - is not visible in any file under /var/log/. > > it is: /var/log/dmesg; furthermore, this file shows mu

Problems with first attempt to use multistrap

2014-09-02 Thread Richard Owlett
In a thread discussing my attempts at a minimal {definition explicitly open} install, it was suggested that I investigate using deboostrap. I could not find a reference explicitly covering *ALL* the steps required to create a bootable system. While searching for more details on steps mentioned

Re: Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:13:02 -0400 The Wanderer wrote: > I often find that there is text in dmesg which - to the best of my > ability to determine - is not visible in any file under /var/log/. it is: /var/log/dmesg; furthermore, this file shows mu

Re: Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/02/2014 at 10:05 AM, B wrote: > On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 09:44:36 -0400 The Wanderer > wrote: > >> Did you already check dmesg? That's where I usually find the >> messages which appear during a(n attempt at) suspend/resume. > > Of course,

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Jimmy Johnson
Tony van der Hoff wrote: On 02/09/14 16:14, Miles Fidelman wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 02 September 2014 14:52:46 Joe wrote: On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 23:44:49 +1200 Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 07:22:48AM +, KD wrote: Dan Ritter randomstring.org> writes: Reading:

exim4 broken by GNOME / libnss-myhostname

2014-09-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Now exim4 (which is used by default on Debian) is broken thanks to some GNOME package recommending libnss-myhostname, which makes exim no longer give the FQDN in the HELO command, meaning that mail can be lost... Unfortunately this remains unnoticed by apt-listbugs because the libnss-myhostname mai

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 16:41:26 +0200 Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Then again, endless spreading of FUD on a list that is powerless to do > anything about the situation, could, and should, be regarded as > trolling. There is a good reason to keep FUD heated: the bigger and the deeper the project is a

Re: preseed

2014-09-02 Thread Volker Wysk
Am Dienstag, 2. September 2014, 09:22:36 schrieb Diogene Laerce: > Hi, > > I try to achieve this tutorial for preseed : > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso > > And I can't get pass through this step : > > gzip -d < ../cd/install/2.6/initrd.gz | \ > cpio --extract --verbo

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Erwan David
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 04:05:53PM CEST, Lisi Reisz said: > On Tuesday 02 September 2014 14:52:46 Joe wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 23:44:49 +1200 > > > > Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 07:22:48AM +, KD wrote: > > > > Dan Ritter randomstring.org> writes: > > > > > Readi

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 02/09/14 16:14, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: >> On Tuesday 02 September 2014 14:52:46 Joe wrote: >>> On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 23:44:49 +1200 >>> >>> Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 07:22:48AM +, KD wrote: > Dan Ritter randomstring.org> writes: >> Reading:

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Miles Fidelman
Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 02 September 2014 14:52:46 Joe wrote: On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 23:44:49 +1200 Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 07:22:48AM +, KD wrote: Dan Ritter randomstring.org> writes: Reading: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-system

Re: Network speed drop down to 10MBPS for unknown reason.

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 18:44:39 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > i am using wheezy 7.x and for some unknown reason my network speed > drop down to 10MBPS. > i can see anything in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog > related to the issue. when i restart the server it back to normal > and shows a

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 02 September 2014 14:52:46 Joe wrote: > On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 23:44:49 +1200 > > Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 07:22:48AM +, KD wrote: > > > Dan Ritter randomstring.org> writes: > > > > Reading: > > > > http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux

Re: Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 09:44:36 -0400 The Wanderer wrote: > Did you already check dmesg? That's where I usually find the > messages which appear during a(n attempt at) suspend/resume. Of course, as I made a grep for 'pci' into /var/log … -- Thom : Today, if you download they cut off your Internet

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Joe
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 23:44:49 +1200 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 07:22:48AM +, KD wrote: > > Dan Ritter randomstring.org> writes: > > > > > Reading: > > > http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html > > > > > > systemd's upstream is explicit

Network speed drop down to 10MBPS for unknown reason.

2014-09-02 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
i am using wheezy 7.x and for some unknown reason my network speed drop down to 10MBPS. i can see anything in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog related to the issue. when i restart the server it back to normal and shows above 50MBPS while transferring file. any idea what is happening . Thanks,

Re: Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/02/2014 at 08:58 AM, B wrote: > Hi list, > > when awaking my laptop from sleep (not hibernate), I see very > fugitive messages about pci problems on a console. No time to read > it before X comes back to display, but I think it is sleep

Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
Hi list, when awaking my laptop from sleep (not hibernate), I see very fugitive messages about pci problems on a console. No time to read it before X comes back to display, but I think it is sleep problems with some devices; which I'd like to exclude into tlp configuration. After a looong grep of

Re: preseed

2014-09-02 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 10:09:47AM +0200, Milosz Galazka wrote: > W dniu 02/09/2014 09:22, Diogene Laerce napisał(a): > >And I can't get pass through this step : > > > >gzip -d < ../cd/install/2.6/initrd.gz | \ > >cpio --extract --verbose --make-directories --no-absolute-filenames > > > >As I syste

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 07:22:48AM +, KD wrote: > Dan Ritter randomstring.org> writes: > > > Reading: > > http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html > > > > systemd's upstream is explicitly interested in taking over all > > Linux distros, not in the minor sens

OT: Strange boot behavior after upgrade on Asus chromebook

2014-09-02 Thread Joel Roth
This posting is slightly off-topic because the OS in question is Ubuntu, which I ended up using because the chromebook install procedure seemed better documented. (It took me a few days to get any non-chrome install to succeed.) It is possibly on-topic because * I am a debian user * it relates to

Re: preseed

2014-09-02 Thread Diogene Laerce
On 09/02/2014 11:46 AM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 02 Sep 2014 at 10:49:33 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote: > >> Thanks for your interest, as for Milosz. >> >> But I do use the right located file but the cpio command cannot end >> properly. > > Which ISO image are you using? Please try this: > > Follow

Re: preseed

2014-09-02 Thread Milosz Galazka
W dniu 02/09/2014 10:49, Diogene Laerce napisał(a): On 09/02/2014 10:19 AM, Javier Barroso wrote: Hello, On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Diogene Laerce wrote: Hi, I try to achieve this tutorial for preseed : https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso And I can't get pass thro

Re: preseed

2014-09-02 Thread Brian
On Tue 02 Sep 2014 at 10:49:33 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote: > Thanks for your interest, as for Milosz. > > But I do use the right located file but the cpio command cannot end > properly. Which ISO image are you using? Please try this: Follow the wiki and loopmount the ISO. Copy the initrd.gz

Re: preseed

2014-09-02 Thread Diogene Laerce
On 09/02/2014 10:19 AM, Javier Barroso wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Diogene Laerce wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I try to achieve this tutorial for preseed : >> >> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso >> >> And I can't get pass through this step : >> >> gzip -d <

Re: preseed

2014-09-02 Thread Milosz Galazka
W dniu 02/09/2014 09:22, Diogene Laerce napisał(a): Hi, I try to achieve this tutorial for preseed : https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed/EditIso And I can't get pass through this step : gzip -d < ../cd/install/2.6/initrd.gz | \ cpio --extract --verbose --make-directories --no-abso

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