Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 5/19/14, Lee Winter wrote: > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Are you aware that there is a useful (from the perspective of >> freedoms) distinction to be made between physical property and >> so-called 'intellectual property'? > > No. In fact hell no. You are eit

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

Hi. On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 08:51:13PM +0200, Filip wrote: > There are other reasons to boycot GNOME though. Look at the latest > 'feature' in they put in GTK+ 3.12: > > http://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/boards/1/topics/1135 The misfeature in question is: a) Already fixed in GTK+ 3.12.

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 5/19/14, Carl Fink wrote: > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:50:44PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 5/19/14, Lee Winter wrote: > >> > But, contrary to Stallman's arguments, intellectual property is real >> > and >> > worth protecting. >> >> RMS never said intellectual creations are not real. >>

Re: GPT and SSDs

Hi. On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:48:00AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > This led me into partitioning. I thought that GPT pretty much gave > you proper partition alignment, but now I think I was mistaken on > that point. gdisk shows my first partition starting at 34, with the > fdisk info showing 255 hea

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Are you aware that there is a useful (from the perspective of > freedoms) distinction to be made between physical property and > so-called 'intellectual property'? > No. In fact hell no. Consider if you please (or use the Socratic defens

Re: set higher verbosity in exim4 output

David Guntner grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > Harry Putnam grabbed a keyboard and wrote: >> Never used exim but trying to get it setup since the latest version of >> sendmail seems to have some problems I don't understand on a new debian >> install. > > Just as a matter of curiosity, why aren't yo

Re: set higher verbosity in exim4 output

Harry Putnam grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > Never used exim but trying to get it setup since the latest version of > sendmail seems to have some problems I don't understand on a new debian > install. > > I've pounded along googling and scanning the exim documentation on > board for a couple of ho

GPT and SSDs

I'm trying to solve a problem where my computer locks up every few minutes for a minute or so. I thought possibly it might be related to the SSD that has my / partition since I haven't been able to find any program that is doing it. Top and IOTop don't show any unusual activity. This led me in

set higher verbosity in exim4 output

Never used exim but trying to get it setup since the latest version of sendmail seems to have some problems I don't understand on a new debian install. I've pounded along googling and scanning the exim documentation on board for a couple of hours tonight... but I have yet to find a simple straight

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:50:44PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 5/19/14, Lee Winter wrote: > > But, contrary to Stallman's arguments, intellectual property is real and > > worth protecting. > > RMS never said intellectual creations are not real. > > RMS never said intellectual creations a

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/19/14, Richard Hector wrote: > On 19/05/14 15:28, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> Oh Richard, bless you. Now you've taken away my excuse to pretend I >> didn't really know what Jerry was saying and continue to mock his lack >> of precision :) > > I'm one of those you mentioned that has trouble resi

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 19/05/14 15:28, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Oh Richard, bless you. Now you've taken away my excuse to pretend I > didn't really know what Jerry was saying and continue to mock his lack > of precision :) I'm one of those you mentioned that has trouble resisting reading every email. Deliberate troll

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/19/14, Richard Hector wrote: > On 19/05/14 14:10, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have everything you >> own. > > I don't think the law goes quite that far ... :) I'm glad I drew him out that far, personally. > BTW I'd also like to see evidence fo

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:50:44PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > I can hold a stone, or a stick, and whilst I hold it, it is mine. Unless you stole it ... hey wait a minute, where's my sticks and stones! -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being o

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 19/05/14 15:15, Gary Dale wrote: >> So Gary, how do we handle this problem of lack of educated thinkers? >> Cause that's the real problem as I see it. >> >> Regards >> Zenaan > That problem is not solvable, I'm afraid. That's why people who do think > about issues have a duty to speak up about t

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/19/14, Lee Winter wrote: > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Those who (...whatever...) create content get to decide HOW THEY >> DISTRIBUTE or otherwise SELL that content. >> >> No more. No less. > > Wrong. > >> Once it's on my computer, on in my brain, it's mine. I

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 19/05/14 14:10, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have everything you own. I don't think the law goes quite that far ... BTW I'd also like to see evidence for what law prevents linking to someone else's work. Overall, though, this argument seems fairly p

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 18/05/14 08:42 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/15/14, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people to provide content that uses DRM. After all, if every browser supports it, why not use it? Debian is based

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: ... endless pseudo-legal mumbo jumbo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSQgHexNNimAK1gC74eMaHba0TkUi02S-iCCNNjA

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 18/05/14 06:40 PM, Tom H wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Gary Dale wrote: So I am free to build a fence on public property that denies my neighbour the right to access his house? That seems to be the crux of your argument. You ought to go in to politics because this is yet another r

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 5/19/14, Lee Winter wrote: > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Gary Dale wrote: >> On 18/05/14 01:49 PM, Lee Winter wrote: >> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Gary Dale >> >> garyd...@torfree.net>> wrote: >>> >>> So freedom from doesn't include freedom from DRM? >>> >>> >>> Of course you

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 5/19/14, Lee Winter wrote: > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Gary Dale wrote: > A lot of people responding to this post don't seem to understand that >> freedom applies to more than just personal choice. The United States was >> not a free nation while it accepted slavery and Firefox is not

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Those who (...whatever...) create content get to decide HOW THEY > DISTRIBUTE or otherwise SELL that content. > > No more. No less. > Wrong. > > Once it's on my computer, on in my brain, it's mine. I can do with it > as I choose, and wit

Re: systemd - excessive session-creation time

On 5/19/14, Tom H wrote: > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Erwan David wrote: >> Le 18/05/2014 08:34, Tom H a écrit : >>> If you want tty2 to be available permanently and persistently through >>> reboots, run: >>> >>> systemctl enable getty@tty2.service >>> systemctl start getty@tty2.service >>

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/18/2014 10:26 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: I don't care. But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have everything you own. Jerry. You speak loudly. Zenaan And truthfully. Ask your attorney. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-r

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/18/2014 10:21 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/18/2014 8:54 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/16/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I d

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > I don't care. But if I catch you violating my copyright, > I will have everything you own. Jerry. You speak loudly. Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/19/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 5/18/2014 8:54 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 5/16/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: >> I disagree. Browser support fo

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/18/2014 10:00 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/16/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/15/2014 1:53 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 01:33 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote:

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 5/18/2014 9:47 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20140518_2131-0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/18/2014 6:39 PM, The Wanderer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/18/2014 05:49 PM, Tom H wrote: You seem to have an issue with copyrights, and are venting about DRM because i

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/16/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 5/15/2014 1:53 PM, Gary Dale wrote: >> On 15/05/14 01:33 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: >> I disagree. Browser support

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 20140518_2131-0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 5/18/2014 6:39 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >Hash: SHA512 > > > >On 05/18/2014 05:49 PM, Tom H wrote: > > > >>You seem to have an issue with copyrights, and are venting about DRM > >>because it enables copyright hol

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/18/2014 8:54 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/16/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people to provide content tha

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 5/18/2014 6:39 PM, The Wanderer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/18/2014 05:49 PM, Tom H wrote: You seem to have an issue with copyrights, and are venting about DRM because it enables copyright holders. DRM doesn't just "enable copyright holders". Copyright la

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/16/14, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 5/15/2014 12:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: >> On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >>> On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people to provide content that uses DRM. After all, if e

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/15/14, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: >> I disagree. Browser support for DRM makes it easier for people to provide >> content that uses DRM. After all, if every browser supports it, why not >> use it? >> >> Debian is based on freedom. Iceweasel exists bec

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On 5/16/14, Gary Dale wrote: > On 15/05/14 04:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> On Jo, 15 mai 14, 00:27:08, Gary Dale wrote: >>> To not remove digital restrictions support undermines a >>> major strength of Debian. If people want DRM, they can always download >>> Firefox but they should have a choic

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

>> Debian is based on freedom. > > Yes. > Freedom to choose. > Free will - have you heard of the concept? Or is that redundant in the > new world where someone will tell me what to think and ensure laws and > protests against bad weather and sharp corners on furniture? Yes, pretty well redundant.

Re: users groups for in person work revisited?

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 01:11:57PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I have asked about this before. The goal remains needful as I have > yet to find anyone in Toronto willing to work with me on my goals. > Last time I asked there was no really active debian group in > Toronto, perhaps a Ubintu one?

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

On Sun 18 May 2014 at 19:43:19 +0100, Brian wrote: > The substantive part of my mail debunks the claim that GDM necessarily > imposes a specific init system. It is correct to say that gdm3 depends > on libpam-systemd, but installing systemd-shim leaves a sysvinit system > without any change in PID

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > > So I am free to build a fence on public property that denies my neighbour > the right to access his house? That seems to be the crux of your argument. You ought to go in to politics because this is yet another ridiculous parallel of the kind t

Re: systemd - excessive session-creation time

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Erwan David wrote: > Le 18/05/2014 08:34, Tom H a écrit : >> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >>> >>> Although initial tty session (from boot) is quicker than with >>> sysvinit, additional tty sessions are very slow to start, in the order

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/18/2014 05:49 PM, Tom H wrote: > You seem to have an issue with copyrights, and are venting about DRM > because it enables copyright holders. DRM doesn't just "enable copyright holders". Copyright law restricts what people are allowed to do.

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM, David Dušanić wrote: > > Systemd-shim is there to provide functions by systemd on a system that does > not use it as its init system. It could be useful when you depend on Gnome 3 > software like network-manager but do not want to use systemd. AFAIUI: It's not c

Re: latest sendmail on testing

Filip writes: [...] >> If you are running version 4.14.4-5.. maybe you could post the perms >> on: > >> /var/spool/clientmqueue (Its a directory that should be created during >> install but is not). And: >> /var/lib/sendmail (There should be another directory here named >> /var/lib/sendmail/ho

Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Curt wrote: > On 2014-05-18, Tom H wrote: >>> >>> I'm reading you can *add* another loop device on the fly >>> with the mknod command: >>> >>> mknod -m 660 /dev/loop8 b 7 8 >> >> You'll have to run "chown root:disk /dev/loop8" too. > > Nobody mentioned that in my

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

On Friday 16 May 2014 19:13:11 Brian wrote: > The iplayer offerings can be viewed on all platforms. It uses Flash. Now, yes. But not initially. And the BBC wasn't put off by the fact that only one browser could read their content. It was put off by the large volume of loud complaints from lic

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > On 18/05/14 02:41 PM, Lee Winter wrote: > >> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Gary Dale > garyd...@torfree.net>> wrote: >> >> On 18/05/14 01:49 PM, Lee Winter wrote: >> >> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Gary Dale >> mailto

Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Filip wrote: > On Sun, 18 May 2014 15:15:34 + (UTC) > Curt wrote: >> On 2014-05-18, Richard Owlett wrote: >>> >>> My current instance is attempting to modify the max number of >>> loop devices. One pellet of Google buckshot reminded me that it >>> can be res

Re: can't get wicd to work

On Sunday 18 May 2014 22:25:43 tom arnall wrote: > root@debian:/home/tom# ifconfig What does ifconfig -a give? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Gary Dale wrote: > > A lot of people responding to this post don't seem to understand that > freedom applies to more than just personal choice. The United States was not > a free nation while it accepted slavery and Firefox is not free software > while it accepts

can't get wicd to work

I'm trying to get my wifi set up under wheezy using wicd. I've followed all the instructions at: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Wicd When I do ~/$ wicd-client -n I get: "No wireless networks found." The following is the output from the session: (My username is 'tom'.) ~/$ cat /etc/ne

Re: new 3.14-1-amd64 kernel will not boot

On 05/18/2014 12:45 PM, Erwan David wrote: Loading Linux 3.14-1-amd64 ... Loading initial ramdisk ... early console in decompress_kernel Decompressing Linux... Parsing ELF... done. Booting the kernel. *stall* Same for me on a Dell PowerEdge R210 See bug 748574 that I opened. I subscrib

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 18/05/14 03:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 05/18/2014 03:22 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/18/2014 2:15 PM, Gary Dale wrote: If packaging prevents me from using a product for a purpose that I am legally entitled to use it for then I have a right to demand that the packaging be changed. DRM prev

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 5/18/2014 4:08 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 18/05/14 03:22 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/18/2014 2:15 PM, Gary Dale wrote: If packaging prevents me from using a product for a purpose that I am legally entitled to use it for then I have a right to demand that the packaging be changed. DRM preven

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 5/18/2014 4:06 PM, Gary Dale wrote: So I am free to build a fence on public property that denies my neighbour the right to access his house? That seems to be the crux of your argument. Strawman argument. A fence has nothing to do with intellectual property or copyright law. Jerry --

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 18/05/14 03:22 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/18/2014 2:15 PM, Gary Dale wrote: If packaging prevents me from using a product for a purpose that I am legally entitled to use it for then I have a right to demand that the packaging be changed. DRM prevents not just my use on platforms that the

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 18/05/14 02:41 PM, Lee Winter wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Gary Dale > wrote: On 18/05/14 01:49 PM, Lee Winter wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Gary Dale mailto:garyd...@torfree.net>

debian-installer preseed of wheezy

Dear all, I'm trying to use a preseed.cfg with the current wheezy debian-installer to partition my 8GiB virtio disk of a KVM virtual machine: d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe string \ sysdisk :: \ 1024 2048 1024 ext4 \ $primary{ } $bootable{ } \

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 05/18/2014 03:22 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/18/2014 2:15 PM, Gary Dale wrote: If packaging prevents me from using a product for a purpose that I am legally entitled to use it for then I have a right to demand that the packaging be changed. DRM prevents not just my use on platforms that t

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 5/18/2014 2:15 PM, Gary Dale wrote: If packaging prevents me from using a product for a purpose that I am legally entitled to use it for then I have a right to demand that the packaging be changed. DRM prevents not just my use on platforms that they don't support but also to make fair use of

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 5/18/2014 2:41 PM, Lee Winter wrote: It does not limit fair use. The term "fair use" has a technical definition in copyright law that provides an exception to the requirement for permission from the publisher. That discussion is way beyond the scope of this one. And that discussion is irre

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

On Mon, 19 May 2014 04:11:29 +1000 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:43 AM, Brian wrote: > > I'm with Sven here. Install systemd-shim and systemd-sysv will not > > be installed. > > > > One consideration might be > > > > https://lists.debian.org/1399888483.5437.804.camel@dsp069

Re: users groups for in person work revisited?

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Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

On Sun 18 May 2014 at 20:03:11 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Le 18/05/2014 19:43, Brian a écrit : > > On Sat 17 May 2014 at 22:40:13 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > >> On Sb, 17 mai 14, 20:57:39, Sven Joachim wrote: > >>> Depending on your needs, installing systemd might be mandatory in > >>> uns

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Gary Dale wrote: > On 18/05/14 01:49 PM, Lee Winter wrote: > > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Gary Dale > garyd...@torfree.net>> wrote: >> >> So freedom from doesn't include freedom from DRM? >> >> >> Of course you are free from DRM. Just don't buy/instal

Re: Tails

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:05:43AM +0200, Francesco Ariis wrote: > On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:59:31PM -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > Lighten up, lad and stop taking all things literally. > > > > Far from be being a Thought Policeman, I felt uneasy reading the OP and > some of the replies. Your

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:43 AM, Brian wrote: > I'm with Sven here. Install systemd-shim and systemd-sysv will not be > installed. > > One consideration might be > > https://lists.debian.org/1399888483.5437.804.camel@dsp0698014 > > As far as GDM is concerned, any bug reported with systemd-s

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

Le 18/05/2014 19:43, Brian a écrit : > On Sat 17 May 2014 at 22:40:13 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> On Sb, 17 mai 14, 20:57:39, Sven Joachim wrote: >>> Depending on your needs, installing systemd might be mandatory in >>> unstable already (e.g. gdm3 indirectly depends on it), but you do _not_ >

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 18/05/14 01:49 PM, Lee Winter wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Gary Dale > wrote: So freedom from doesn't include freedom from DRM? Of course you are free from DRM. Just don't buy/install content that is restricted by DRM. Unfortunately the D

Re: latest sendmail on testing

On Sun, 18 May 2014 13:07:10 -0400 Harry Putnam wrote: > Filip writes: > > > On Sat, 17 May 2014 17:08:10 -0400 > > Harry Putnam wrote: > > > >> Filip writes: > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> >> I would have thought the install of a pkg would also create any > >> >> needed directories for the pkg

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

On Sat 17 May 2014 at 22:40:13 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 17 mai 14, 20:57:39, Sven Joachim wrote: > > > > Depending on your needs, installing systemd might be mandatory in > > unstable already (e.g. gdm3 indirectly depends on it), but you do _not_ > > have to install systemd-sysv and

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Gary Dale wrote: So freedom from doesn't include freedom from DRM? Of course you are free from DRM. Just don't buy/install content that is restricted by DRM. > Unfortunately the DMCA and its international clones prohibit me from > accessing DRM except by met

users groups for in person work revisited?

I have asked about this before. The goal remains needful as I have yet to find anyone in Toronto willing to work with me on my goals. Last time I asked there was no really active debian group in Toronto, perhaps a Ubintu one? Thanks in advance, Kare -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-r

Re: latest sendmail on testing

Filip writes: > On Sat, 17 May 2014 17:08:10 -0400 > Harry Putnam wrote: > >> Filip writes: >> >> [...] >> >> >> I would have thought the install of a pkg would also create any >> >> needed directories for the pkg to operate. >> >> >> >> Is it normal for user to create these things? >> >> >

Re: new 3.14-1-amd64 kernel will not boot

On 17/05/14 06:24 PM, John Bleichert wrote: Hello All, Running jessie/sid on an i7. Just installed todays updates which included an update from 3.13-1-amd64 to 3.14-1-amd64 and the new kernel does not boot, it just stalls at "Booting the kernel" (full console below). Any idea how to debug thi

Re: new 3.14-1-amd64 kernel will not boot

Le 18/05/2014 00:24, John Bleichert a écrit : > Hello All, > > Running jessie/sid on an i7. Just installed todays updates which > included an update from 3.13-1-amd64 to 3.14-1-amd64 and the new > kernel does not boot, it just stalls at "Booting the kernel" (full > console below). Any idea how to d

Re: new 3.14-1-amd64 kernel will not boot

On May 17, 2014, at 6:24 PM, John Bleichert wrote: > Hello All, > > Running jessie/sid on an i7. Just installed todays updates which included an > update from 3.13-1-amd64 to 3.14-1-amd64 and the new kernel does not boot, it > just stalls at "Booting the kernel" (full console below). Any idea

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 18/05/14 11:26 AM, Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 17 May 2014 21:00:48 +0900 Joel Rees napísal: What Mozilla is doing is providing a framework for keeping the companies that want into your computer out, by providing them tools to get only what the law allows them and no more. I am not lawye

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On 18/05/14 12:00 PM, Lee Winter wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Gary Dale > wrote: A lot of people responding to this post don't seem to understand that freedom applies to more than just personal choice. The United States was not a free nation w

Re: Where to get older versions of pkgs

El Domingo, 18 de mayo de 2014 11:58:02 Harry Putnam escribió: > José Antonio Podadera Moya writes: > > [...] > > > You can try to install old package versions from the snapshot archive > > (http://snapshot.debian.org). As the page itself says: > > > > "The snapshot archive is a wayback machine

Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

On 2014-05-18, Brian wrote: > > You really should try Tom H's advice. Two minutes out of your life. :) > So if loop is compiled as a module (as it is here) you can change the max number of devices without rebooting (but this requires removing the module from the running kernel, which might be dif

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Sat, 17 May 2014 21:00:48 +0900 Joel Rees > napísal: > > > What Mozilla is doing is providing a framework for keeping the > > companies that want into your computer out, by providing them tools to > > get only what the law allows th

Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

On Sun 18 May 2014 at 16:01:08 +, Curt wrote: > But all seriousness aside it appears that the max number of loop devices > cannot be altered on the fly and requires a reboot, if I'm understanding > correctly. You really should try Tom H's advice. Two minutes out of your life. :) -- To UNSU

Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

On 2014-05-18, Filip wrote: >> >> mknod -m 660 /dev/loop8 b 7 8 >> >> But I guess that covers only half of the word "modify." > > You can create devices nodes with that in the filesystem, but they will > not work unless they also exist in the kernel. Yes, but "work" was not part of the problem

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Gary Dale wrote: A lot of people responding to this post don't seem to understand that > freedom applies to more than just personal choice. The United States was > not a free nation while it accepted slavery and Firefox is not free > software while it accepts dig

Re: Where to get older versions of pkgs

José Antonio Podadera Moya writes: [...] > You can try to install old package versions from the snapshot archive > (http://snapshot.debian.org). As the page itself says: > > "The snapshot archive is a wayback machine that allows access to old packages > based on dates and version numbers. It

Re: systemd - excessive session-creation time

Le 18/05/2014 08:34, Tom H a écrit : > On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> Although initial tty session (from boot) is quicker than with >> sysvinit, additional tty sessions are very slow to start, in the order >> of 5 seconds (which seems like an eternity). >> >> Additiona

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

  17.05.2014, 22:29, "Erwan David" :Le 17/05/2014 22:02, Tom H a écrit : On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Erwan David wrote: Le 17/05/2014 20:57, Sven Joachim a écrit : On 2014-05-17 19:58 +0200, Martin Vegter wrote: I am wondering whether systemd will be mandatory in Jessie. At

Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

On Sun 18 May 2014 at 11:23:56 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Brian wrote: > > On Sun 18 May 2014 at 09:40:29 -0400, Tom H wrote: > >> > >> If you have loop compiled in to the kernel, as I do below, you can > >> only change the number of loop devices at boot by using > >>

Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

On 2014-05-18, Tom H wrote: >> >> I'm reading you can *add* another loop device on the fly >> with the mknod command: >> >> mknod -m 660 /dev/loop8 b 7 8 > > You'll have to run "chown root:disk /dev/loop8" too. > Nobody mentioned that in my reading! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-re

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:26 AM, Slavko wrote: > Dňa Sat, 17 May 2014 21:00:48 +0900 Joel Rees > napísal: > >> What Mozilla is doing is providing a framework for keeping the >> companies that want into your computer out, by providing them tools to >> get only what the law allows them and no more.

Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

On Sun, 18 May 2014 15:15:34 + (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2014-05-18, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > My current instance is attempting to modify the max number of > > loop devices. One pellet of Google buckshot reminded me that it > > can be reset for the next re-boot under /etc/modprobe.d . Bu

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Slavko wrote: > The Samba doesn't allow to use of proprietary software. Samba only uses > the SMB protocol (i can be wrong, but it is standardized), which Windows > uses (as primary) too. But you can connect two Samba between themselves, > then no Windows is needed

Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Curt wrote: > On 2014-05-18, Richard Owlett wrote: >> >> My current instance is attempting to modify the max number of >> loop devices. One pellet of Google buckshot reminded me that it >> can be reset for the next re-boot under /etc/modprobe.d . But I >> want to

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 17 May 2014 21:00:48 +0900 Joel Rees napísal: > What Mozilla is doing is providing a framework for keeping the > companies that want into your computer out, by providing them tools to > get only what the law allows them and no more. I am not lawyer, then i will not write about la

Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Brian wrote: > On Sun 18 May 2014 at 09:40:29 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> >> If you have loop compiled in to the kernel, as I do below, you can >> only change the number of loop devices at boot by using >> "max_loop=> >> # grep BLK_DEV_LOOP /boot/config-3.15-rc5 >> CON

Re: Max number of loop devices OR "efficient search of Debian documentation"

The Wanderer a écrit : > > What does 'modprobe -r loop' do to any active loop devices? Nothing. > I would expect it to either error out without removing the module if any > loop devices are in use, As usual when the module is in use. > or automatically shut the loop devices down. That would b

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

Ahoj, Dňa Mon, 19 May 2014 00:46:57 +1000 Chris Angelico napísal: > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Gary Dale > wrote: > > Just as no one forced Americans to own slaves, the fact that > > slavery was allowed was an insult to notion of freedom. Arguing > > that the "freedom" to choose whether

Re: Tails

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:36:43AM -0400, Doug wrote: > BIOS chip? That's what it would seem to require, short of having > physical access to the machine. > > --doug > Indeed physical access to the machine is what I was thinking about (simple hypothetical threat: hardware key-logger in work env

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