Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:24:23AM +0400, Reco wrote: > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:14:56 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 23:55 +0400, Reco wrote: > > > 2) Embedded movies > > > > I hope they require Adobe's original flash player and a DRM registration > > on the Adobe homepag

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 05:56:17PM +0200, François Patte wrote: > Bonjour, > > I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No We cannot help with problems caused by third party repositories. A search via google regarding "Debian multimedia problems" should shed more light on

aptitude misconfigure?

2013-10-25 Thread Glenn English
There are several Debian machines around, and some of them do an odd thing in Aptitude: lqk xReally quit Aptitude?x x [ Yes ][ No ] x mqj and others don't. Can anyone tell me what I did to make some of them do that t

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:34:50AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 11:21 +0200, Andre Majorel wrote: > > Don't know the answer to your question but have you considered > > using those PCs as disk-less X terminals using LTSP or similar ? > > That might be easier to admin. > > And

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:15:00PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 25.10.2013 01:14, Richard Owlett a écrit : > >Unless I'm totally lost, I suspect any DE &/or WM can handle that. > > Sorry for that, but it's your own words: you are completely lost ;) Sorry, you are! > Any

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 06:14:20PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 18:47 -0400, Doug wrote: > >>You should consider an os using the kde desktop, since it is quite > >>similar to Windows, which is what most people are accustomed to. > > > >Windows 98, XP e

Re: out to get out of an apt-get problem...

2013-10-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:55:19PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > APT tries hard to tidy up anything broken. Because there are broken > dependencies on your system apt is going to do nothing else until > those broken items are fixed. If a car has a flat tire then you can't > drive anywhere until the

Re: errant mouse-over behaviour.

2013-10-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 04:39:46PM +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: > surprised that the original mouse had developed problems when its > only 10 months old, but it was made in china so who knows what > quality-control they have there! You mean that you can actually buy products that aren't "made in Ch

firmware installation

2013-10-25 Thread Diogene Laerce
Hi, I'd like to know if it is possible to install some firmware in the 3.2 kernel but from the 2.6 ? I need to install some firmwares to make the 3.2 kernel works on my machine but I can only access the computer when the 2.6.35 is loaded : when the 3.2 is loaded my mouse and keyboard are freezed

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-25 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 10/26/13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 10/25/2013 9:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 10/26/13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 10/25/2013 8:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Anyway, from an onlookers perspective you are being excessively pedantic and hung up on different terms which are sim

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-25 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/25/2013 9:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 10/26/13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/25/2013 8:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 8/29/13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 8/28/2013 7:52 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Here is the important part: "Each object can be viewed as an independen

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-25 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 10/26/13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 10/25/2013 8:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 8/29/13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 8/28/2013 7:52 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >> Here is the important part: "Each object can be viewed as an independent "machine" with a distinct

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-25 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/25/2013 8:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 8/29/13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 8/28/2013 7:52 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Here is the important part: "Each object can be viewed as an independent "machine" with a distinct role or responsibility.". Nothing forbid to do that in

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-25 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/25/2013 8:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 8/29/13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Please show how you can do inheritance and polymorphism in C. Not so good finish. Looking at the above, we could say "use an old/original preprocessor"? Or do that preprocessors work by hand? Then you should ea

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-25 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/29/13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 8/29/2013 12:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >> (I really don't have time to do this.) >> >> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:17 PM, >>> [Somebody replied to somebody, arguing that C can't do objects.] >> >> The syntax does become obtuse, unfun, cluttered, etc., but it can

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-25 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/29/13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 8/28/2013 7:52 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >> Here is the important part: "Each object can be viewed as an independent >> "machine" with a distinct role or responsibility.". >> Nothing forbid to do that in C. I took the example of the SDL, >> pre

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 10/25/13, Richard Owlett wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 08:15 +, Tom H wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:18 PM, John Hasler >>> wrote: Richard Owlett writes: > > Is there any reason that a Ubuntu version Mint would be any more > suitable than a cu

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

2013-10-25 Thread Reco
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 23:17:06 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 01:07 +0400, Reco wrote: > > Passwords stored in a plain text files in a recyclebin (or on a sheet > > of paper under the keyboard). > > Female sysadmins wearing slips of paper on the forehead with > passphrases: http

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 01:34 +0400, Reco wrote: > Please tell that to that Lennart Poeterring guy who invented his own > RealTimeGizmo for his beloved PulseAudio ;) Ok, now I'm able to resist. I love to be marxbrotherish, but with respect to the list, I try to fake, that I don't know who this girl

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

2013-10-25 Thread Reco
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:10:35 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > In the past I was against sudo, but nowadays I set up a root account > (su) and sudo for my Linux and if I use Ubuntu I usually keep it as is, > IOW just sudo, no root account. Security doesn't suffer from sudo, OTOH > "ich bin schmerzfrei"

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 01:07 +0400, Reco wrote: > Passwords stored in a plain text files in a recyclebin (or on a sheet > of paper under the keyboard). Female sysadmins wearing slips of paper on the forehead with passphrases: http://www.kingmatz.com/Bilder%202007/2009/mk/RIMG0206.JPG -- To UNSUB

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

2013-10-25 Thread Reco
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:28:57 + Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM, wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:31:55 -0600 > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > >> Sudo has been on > >> HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, IBM AIX and others for many years. It isn't > >> anything new. It is a good worthy to

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

2013-10-25 Thread Reco
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:21:37 -0600 Bob Proulx wrote: > recovery...@gmail.com wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > This is not entirely correct. Sudo is considered third-party software > > in HP-UX (HP merely builds it and doesn't install by default), AIX (not > > provided by IBM and therefore not sup

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 00:24 +0400, Reco wrote: > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:14:56 +0200 Ralf wrote: > > I hope they require Adobe's original flash player and a DRM registration > > on the Adobe homepage. Please, please I want this. > > Nah, that's so 1990. Currently they should require an account at a

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

2013-10-25 Thread Bob Proulx
John Hasler wrote: > Doug writes: > > I'm not sure how you limit the superuser ability. > > By configuring exactly which commands each user is permitted to execute. Perhaps an example sudoers configuration would help people: User_Alias HOSTMASTERS = trent Host_Alias DNSSERVERS = someh

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

2013-10-25 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM, wrote: > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:31:55 -0600 > Bob Proulx wrote: >> Sudo has been on >> HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, IBM AIX and others for many years. It isn't >> anything new. It is a good worthy tool. > > This is not entirely correct. Sudo is considered third-par

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Reco
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:14:56 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 23:55 +0400, Reco wrote: > > 2) Embedded movies > > I hope they require Adobe's original flash player and a DRM registration > on the Adobe homepage. Please, please I want this. Nah, that's so 1990. Currently they sh

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

2013-10-25 Thread Bob Proulx
recovery...@gmail.com wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > Sudo has been on HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, IBM AIX and others for > > many years. It isn't anything new. It is a good worthy tool. > > This is not entirely correct. Sudo is considered third-party software > in HP-UX (HP merely builds it and doesn

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 23:55 +0400, Reco wrote: > 2) Embedded movies I hope they require Adobe's original flash player and a DRM registration on the Adobe homepage. Please, please I want this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tro

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
This seems to be an unintended initiated thread by me :D. In the past I was against sudo, but nowadays I set up a root account (su) and sudo for my Linux and if I use Ubuntu I usually keep it as is, IOW just sudo, no root account. Security doesn't suffer from sudo, OTOH "ich bin schmerzfrei" as we

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

2013-10-25 Thread John Hasler
Doug writes: > I'm not sure how you limit the superuser ability. By configuring exactly which commands each user is permitted to execute. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troub

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 19:06:22 +0100 Brian wrote: > > Yes! I use evince too, BUT evince is not (yet) able to display/use all > > the capabilities of a pdf file, so I need to test some pdf file created > > by TeX/LaTeX > > Which capabilities do you have in mind which evince (or another PD

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

2013-10-25 Thread Doug
On 10/25/2013 02:31 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Doug wrote: >> I know Debian is different, > > Most of us say that in a good way. :-) > >> but the distro I use and the man page for sudo, I believe, expects >> there to be a root password, that sudo will expect when invoked. I first encountered sudo

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

2013-10-25 Thread recoverym4n
Hi. On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:31:55 -0600 Bob Proulx wrote: > Sudo has been on > HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, IBM AIX and others for many years. It isn't > anything new. It is a good worthy tool. This is not entirely correct. Sudo is considered third-party software in HP-UX (HP merely builds it and d

Re: can't find pae kernel after a new install

2013-10-25 Thread Jochen Spieker
Pierre Frenkiel: > > I had on my laptop the kernel 3.10-3-686-pae. After re-installing wheezy, > all pae kernels became invisible, i.e I only get, with >aptitude search linux-image. > > p linux-image-2.6-amd64 p linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 p > linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64-dbg p > linu

Re: can't find pae kernel after a new install

2013-10-25 Thread Bob Proulx
Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > I had on my laptop the kernel 3.10-3-686-pae. After re-installing wheezy, > all pae kernels became invisible, i.e I only get, with >aptitude search linux-image. > p linux-image-2.6-amd64 p linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 p > ... You appear to have installed the amd6

can't find pae kernel after a new install

2013-10-25 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
hi, I had on my laptop the kernel 3.10-3-686-pae. After re-installing wheezy, all pae kernels became invisible, i.e I only get, with aptitude search linux-image. p linux-image-2.6-amd64 p linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64 p linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-amd64-dbg p linux-image-3.10-0.bpo.2-

Re: logwatch question

2013-10-25 Thread Bob Proulx
François Patte wrote: > Today, I get this warning from logwatch: I am glad there was a good answer to your question. And now that there has been one I feel okay in posting something taking this in a different direction. I suggest that you don't try to "make a silk purse out of a pigs ear". The

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 19:40 +0100, Brian wrote: > Java is another thing I am ignorant about. :) :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1382727545.656.25.

Re: out to get out of an apt-get problem...

2013-10-25 Thread Bob Proulx
François Patte wrote: > Scott Ferguson a écrit : > >> I do not understand what you mean by "remove the unofficial packages" > >> remove *all packages* installed from deb-multimedia? That would be my understanding of the suggestion. I recommend that course of action too. Because step 1) Fix your

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Oct 2013 at 20:25:14 +0200, François Patte wrote: > Le 25/10/2013 20:06, Brian a écrit : > > > > Which capabilities do you have in mind which evince (or another PDF > > reader) is unable to display or use? > > java support, and some others Thank you. Java is another thing I am ignora

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

2013-10-25 Thread Bob Proulx
Doug wrote: > I know Debian is different, Most of us say that in a good way. :-) > but the distro I use and the man page for sudo, I believe, expects > there to be a root password, that sudo will expect when invoked. The most normal and traditional use of sudo is that sudo will expect the user'

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread François Patte
Le 25/10/2013 20:06, Brian a écrit : > On Fri 25 Oct 2013 at 19:55:35 +0200, François Patte wrote: > >> Le 25/10/2013 19:47, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : >>> Hi François, >>> >>> I use Evince and other Linux PDF readers instead. Adobe is a mafia and >>> they become more worse with every single day. >> >

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-25, François Patte wrote: > > /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while > loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No > such file or directory You need the 32 bit libraries or (ia32-libs et compagnie) or you need to invoke the new-f

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Oct 2013 at 20:02:25 +0200, François Patte wrote: > Le 25/10/2013 19:45, Brian a écrit : > > > > Search package directories is at > > > >http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages > > Thank you, that was my first idea, but how can I find which package > provide this library... With l

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Siard
François Patte: > /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while > loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: > No such file or directory > > When I launch acroread... > > Where can I find this library? $ locate -i libgl.so.1 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Oct 2013 at 19:55:35 +0200, François Patte wrote: > Le 25/10/2013 19:47, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > > Hi François, > > > > I use Evince and other Linux PDF readers instead. Adobe is a mafia and > > they become more worse with every single day. > > Yes! I use evince too, BUT evince is not

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread François Patte
Le 25/10/2013 19:45, Brian a écrit : > On Fri 25 Oct 2013 at 17:56:17 +0200, François Patte wrote: > >> I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No >> errors during install everything is fine except: >> >> /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while >

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.10.2013 17:56, François Patte a écrit : Where can I find this library? I was not able to find which package include that particular file with apt-file search (but I do not use it quite often so I guess I made a mistake on the command) however it is probably provided by mesa packages,

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread François Patte
Le 25/10/2013 19:47, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > Hi François, > > I use Evince and other Linux PDF readers instead. Adobe is a mafia and > they become more worse with every single day. Yes! I use evince too, BUT evince is not (yet) able to display/use all the capabilities of a pdf file, so I need to

Re: hardware migration

2013-10-25 Thread Bob Proulx
Rob Owens wrote: > Pol Hallen wrote: > > I'm ready to take system disk of a server and put it to new hardware > > machine (with full compatibility). > > > > What issues should be? grub problems? > > You might need to delete some entries in /etc/udev/rules.d > > Those files keep persistent device

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi François, I use Evince and other Linux PDF readers instead. Adobe is a mafia and they become more worse with every single day. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Arch

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Oct 2013 at 17:56:17 +0200, François Patte wrote: > I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No > errors during install everything is fine except: > > /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while > loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: canno

another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread François Patte
Bonjour, I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No errors during install everything is fine except: /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory When I

Re: errant mouse-over behaviour.

2013-10-25 Thread Sharon Kimble
On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:22:13 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Sharon Kimble > wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:28:29 +0200 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 11:57 +, Curt wrote: > >> > On 2013-10-22, Sharon Kimble wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I'v

firmware installation

2013-10-25 Thread Diogene Laerce
Hi, I'd like to know if it is possible to install some firmware in the 3.2 kernel but from the 2.6 ? I need to install some firmwares to make the 3.2 kernel works on my machine but I can only access the computer when the 2.6.35 is loaded : when the 3.2 is loaded my mouse and keyboard are freezed

Wheezy: Konqueror disk activity

2013-10-25 Thread Ldten K
Hi, For some reason, Konqueror is writing a small amount of data every 10 seconds or so in my setup, even if Konqueror is just showing content of a folder with no other activity taking place. atop shows something like the following when Konqeror is running: RDDSK WRDSK WCANCL DSKCMD

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.10.2013 15:39, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 07:50:40PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I really take a lot of care when I install a new software, and avoid bloated ones when it is possible. Excepted for the web browser, I am quite successful in that hero

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 07:50:40PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > I really take a lot of care when I install a new software, and avoid > bloated ones when it is possible. Excepted for the web browser, I am > quite successful in that heroic quest. But web browsers still beat > me,

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-25 Thread Veljko
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 08:51:22AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Can't speak for the Seagates, but the WD Red series does seem > optimized for RAID (google TLER for background). It makes a huge > difference when you near end-of-life for the drives. Thanks Miles, I'll probably go with WD Red. R

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-25, Richard Owlett wrote: > > Reading between the lines on that make me wonder how well the > things would run on the to be donated hardware. It also says > nothing about hardware required for the server. > Here you got hardware requirements: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Docume

Re: hardware migration

2013-10-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 08:19:51AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > A compromise could be 'label', which is both guaranteed persistent as > well as human readable. It's a good idea to put the (a) hostname (or similar) in labels (and LVM VG names) to help avoid clashes if/when you put HDDs from two systems

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-25 Thread Miles Fidelman
Veljko wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:42:18AM +0200, Veljko wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:24:42PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 08:59:05AM +0200, Veljko wrote: Do you guys have any advice for this? Should I first run dd on those drives. They are part of RAID, so it

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 08:15 +, Tom H wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:18 PM, John Hasler wrote: >> > Richard Owlett writes: >> >> >> >> Is there any reason that a Ubuntu version Mint would be any more >> >> suitable than a custom insta

Re: hardware migration

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 08:19 -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:01:19 +0200 > berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > > > > > Le 25.10.2013 12:53, Pol Hallen a écrit : > > > Hi folks :-) > > > > > > I'm ready to take system disk of a server and put it to new hardware > > > machine

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Richard Owlett
Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 08:15 +, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:18 PM, John Hasler wrote: Richard Owlett writes: Is there any reason that a Ubuntu version Mint would be any more suitable than a custom install of Debian No. Yes, ease of installation. pro Ub

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Luis, thank you for sharing this. Perhaps somebody can add additional related information. [1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu [2] http://www.skolelinux.org [3] http://www.edubuntu.org/about http://www.skolelinux.org/images/stories/in_use/oslo/oslo6-lab_jpg_medium.jpg When I saw this photo I

Re: hardware migration

2013-10-25 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:01:19 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 25.10.2013 12:53, Pol Hallen a écrit : > > Hi folks :-) > > > > I'm ready to take system disk of a server and put it to new hardware > > machine (with full compatibility). > > > > What issues should be? grub problem

Re: hardware migration

2013-10-25 Thread Rob Owens
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:53:12PM +0200, Pol Hallen wrote: > Hi folks :-) > > I'm ready to take system disk of a server and put it to new hardware > machine (with full compatibility). > > What issues should be? grub problems? > You might need to delete some entries in /etc/udev/rules.d Those f

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Rob Owens
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:12:33AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 08:15 +, Tom H wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:18 PM, John Hasler wrote: > > > Richard Owlett writes: > > >> > > >> Is there any reason that a Ubuntu version Mint would be any more > > >> suitable than a

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Richard Owlett
Tom H wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:18 PM, John Hasler wrote: Richard Owlett writes: Is there any reason that a Ubuntu version Mint would be any more suitable than a custom install of Debian No. Yes, ease of installation. "Ease of installation" comes at a cost. You get a system opt

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Richard Owlett
Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 11:34 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 11:21 +0200, Andre Majorel wrote: Don't know the answer to your question but have you considered using those PCs as disk-less X terminals using LTSP or similar ? That might be easier to admin. And

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Luis Bandarra
Hi, On 10/24/2013 09:53 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > Our church runs a once a week after school program for the children of > a neighboring elementary school { in U.S. education-speak it is a > "title 1 - severely underprivileged school"}. We run on donated > hardware. Up to now the machines came w

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Richard Owlett
Andre Majorel wrote: On 2013-10-24 15:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Our church runs a once a week after school program for the children of a neighboring elementary school { in U.S. education-speak it is a "title 1 - severely underprivileged school"}. We run on donated hardware. Up to now the

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Richard Owlett
Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 09:38 +, Curt wrote: On 2013-10-25, Ralf Mardorf wrote: He was thinking of the adults who look after the kids, but even adults kde on inadequate hardware is going to be exasperating for young and old alike. That's what I already pointed out in

Re: hardware migration

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.10.2013 12:53, Pol Hallen a écrit : Hi folks :-) I'm ready to take system disk of a server and put it to new hardware machine (with full compatibility). What issues should be? grub problems? Is there a specific way to migrate a disk from server and put it to new? thanks! -- Pol I

hardware migration

2013-10-25 Thread Pol Hallen
Hi folks :-) I'm ready to take system disk of a server and put it to new hardware machine (with full compatibility). What issues should be? grub problems? Is there a specific way to migrate a disk from server and put it to new? thanks! -- Pol -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ..

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 14:22, Joel Rees a écrit : On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:47 AM, wrote: Le 22.10.2013 23:01, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013 5:26 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 19:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : [...] Even inlined code requires resources to execute.

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.10.2013 11:38, Curt a écrit : On 2013-10-25, Ralf Mardorf wrote: He was thinking of the adults who look after the kids, but even adults kde on inadequate hardware is going to be exasperating for young and old alike. nowadays are used to their smart phone OSes and not Win 98 or XP

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-25, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > That's not a consideration for the children, surely? They aren't the > ones doing the installing… What isn't a consideration? And don't call me Shirley. There's bottom posts and top posts and interleaved posts and orphaned posts in search of a parent

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-25 Thread Veljko
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:42:18AM +0200, Veljko wrote: > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:24:42PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 08:59:05AM +0200, Veljko wrote: > > > Do you guys have any advice for this? Should I first run dd on those > > > drives. > > > They are part of RAID,

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.10.2013 01:14, Richard Owlett a écrit : Unless I'm totally lost, I suspect any DE &/or WM can handle that. Sorry for that, but it's your own words: you are completely lost ;) Any DE can, of course. No WM can, they simply handle windows. If they can, then they are not only WM. Plus, ti

Re: qupzilla webbrowser

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 24.10.2013 17:51, Doug a écrit : On 10/24/2013 11:25 AM, mess-mate wrote: /snip/ PS: what does means msft? Exchange ticker for microsoft :) I have no idea about what it could be... not sure I'm interested anyway. Usually, when I see words exchange and microsoft in the same phrase,

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 09:38 +, Curt wrote: > On 2013-10-25, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > He was thinking of the adults who look after the kids, but even adults > > kde on inadequate hardware is going to be exasperating for young and old > alike. That's what I already pointed out in a previous

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 11:34 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 11:21 +0200, Andre Majorel wrote: > > Don't know the answer to your question but have you considered > > using those PCs as disk-less X terminals using LTSP or similar ? > > That might be easier to admin. > > And you do

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-25, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > He was thinking of the adults who look after the kids, but even adults kde on inadequate hardware is going to be exasperating for young and old alike. > nowadays are used to their smart phone OSes and not Win 98 or XP and > likely new Windows PCs provide a

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 11:21 +0200, Andre Majorel wrote: > Don't know the answer to your question but have you considered > using those PCs as disk-less X terminals using LTSP or similar ? > That might be easier to admin. And you donate the needed infrastructure for that? Keep the original post in

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Andre Majorel
On 2013-10-24 15:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > Our church runs a once a week after school program for the > children of a neighboring elementary school { in U.S. > education-speak it is a "title 1 - severely underprivileged > school"}. We run on donated hardware. Up to now the machines > came

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 08:54 +, Curt wrote: > On 2013-10-24, Doug wrote: > >> > > You should consider an os using the kde desktop, since it is quite > > similar to Windows, which is what most people are accustomed to. > > I think on "obsolete" (possibly memory/ram restricted) hardware that >

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Jonathan Dowland
That's not a consideration for the children, surely? They aren't the ones doing the installing… -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131025091536.ge23...@

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 08:15 +, Tom H wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:18 PM, John Hasler wrote: > > Richard Owlett writes: > >> > >> Is there any reason that a Ubuntu version Mint would be any more > >> suitable than a custom install of Debian > > > > No. > > Yes, ease of installation. pro

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-24, Doug wrote: >> > You should consider an os using the kde desktop, since it is quite > similar to Windows, which is what most people are accustomed to. I think on "obsolete" (possibly memory/ram restricted) hardware that might be ill-advised. Anyway the desktop gui paradigm is ubi

Re: out to get out of an apt-get problem...

2013-10-25 Thread François Patte
Le 25/10/2013 00:28, Scott Ferguson a écrit : > On 25/10/13 09:12, François Patte wrote: >> Le 24/10/2013 23:42, Scott Ferguson a écrit : >>> On 25/10/13 04:42, François Patte wrote: Bonsoir, >> >>> >>> It looks like you 'might' have mixed conflicting repositories >>> perhaps deb-multimedi

Re: Boot Problems with 2.6.32-5-686 Kernel

2013-10-25 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: > > Everything is back up and running. > > Gremlins.. > > Thanks for your help! I'm glad that it's working. You're welcome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Co

Re: Debian and UEFI and GPT

2013-10-25 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Chris Davies wrote: > > Thank you, Tom and Sven. You're welcome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SwB6Azd5F=9n

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:18 PM, John Hasler wrote: > Richard Owlett writes: >> >> Is there any reason that a Ubuntu version Mint would be any more >> suitable than a custom install of Debian > > No. Yes, ease of installation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org w

Re: /boot inside luks+lvm

2013-10-25 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 01:35:42PM +, Tom H wrote: >> >> I've booted up from "/boot" on lvm via grub2. >> >> I haven't done so with luks of luks+lvm. >> >> There are grub2 modules for both: >> >> /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/luks.mod >> /boot/gr

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

2013-10-25 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 02:11:51PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > I don't understand how a user whithout the root password, and only > > his own password could use sudo, which seems to be how Debian is set > > up. > > > Not just Debian. > And it's by using the "NOPASSWD" option (with, as B