Re: GNOME3 Ugh! Reverted to XFCE4

2011-11-14 Thread George
> On 11/15/2011 02:00 AM, Selim T. Erdogan wrote: > IceWM is maybe the best (still friendly) choice for the system > described, but LXDE can help a great deal if you are not the > customize-everything kind of user. Might I suggest "awesome" window manager? It uses almost no resources, can be mani

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! Reverted to XFCE4

2011-11-14 Thread Victor Nitu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/15/2011 02:00 AM, Selim T. Erdogan wrote: > I set up a similar machine, with 256MB ram, recently and when I tried > LXDE and used iceweasel with more than one tab, I remember it seemed to > be swapping to disk (some? a lot? can't remember, but

Re: error when configuring the Kerberos NFSv4 on Debian 6.0.3 (in testing no error)

2011-11-14 Thread Kramarenko A. Maksim
Arno Schuring писал(а) в своём письме Tue, 15 Nov 2011 03:30:54 +0400: Kramarenko A. Maksim (mc@k-max.name on 2011-11-14 13:02 +0400): Hello, All! Tired of "fighting" with Kreberos. The second week I can not properly configure the server NFSv4 and domain on Win 2k8 R2 via kerberos. Kinit

checkrestart and dovecot

2011-11-14 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, I've got the following: # checkrestart Found 2 processes using old versions of upgraded files (1 distinct program) (1 distinct packages) These processes do not seem to have an associated init script to restart them: dovecot-imapd: 18981 /usr/lib/dovecot/imap 14795 /usr/

Re: "capturing" console resolution from auto-detection for when KVM switched away?

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 14 nov 11, 21:48:05, Dan B. wrote: > What command shows the virtual console video mode (specifically, > the information needed to set it to that mode if it's in a different > mode)? > > When I boot with my monitor connected (through a KVM), I end up with > high-resolution virtual consoles (6

Re: Is for this community XFCE the most common DE to replace GNOME 3?

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 15 nov 11, 01:15:53, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:53:59 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > LXDE is even smaller and faster, but also has less features. > > Interesting comment. What in your opinion is missing? - drag & drop configuring of the taskbar - more applets - more

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! Reverted to XFCE4

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 14 nov 11, 18:00:34, Selim T. Erdogan wrote: > > I set up a similar machine, with 256MB ram, recently and when I tried > LXDE and used iceweasel with more than one tab, I remember it seemed to > be swapping to disk (some? a lot? can't remember, but enough to make > me change the de/wm).

why does apt-mirror's service always running even after scheduled

2011-11-14 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
Hi, On Squeeze AMD64, apt-mirror seems to always run even after configured with below config in crontab # crontab -l # m h dom mon dow command * 0-7 * * * /root/sync-mirror * 0-12 * * 6,0 /root/sync-mirror # cat /root/sync-mirror su - apt-mirror -c apt-mirror >> mirror.log # netstat -tuanp

Re: Gnome 3 and non-free firmware

2011-11-14 Thread John S.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:26:43 +0200 Rares Aioanei wrote: > On 11/14/2011 03:04 AM, John S. wrote: > > I use Xfce on wheezy and and happy but I was interested enough to > > install gnome 3 on a spare drive. Everything went fine except that I > > was forced into using the fall back version as the in

bcm5974 and mac book pro 8,1

2011-11-14 Thread David Roguin
Hi, I've got a Debian Wheezy with linux-image-3.1 running on a mac book pro 8,1. The thing is that the module bcm5974 is not being loaded properly and that makes the trackpad to lose its multitouch capabilities. The module usbhid is being loaded instead of the proper one. I've tried blacklisting u

Re: UCARP Behind NAT (SOLVED)

2011-11-14 Thread Chris Snyder
Okay, so I have solved this. I was on the right track with thinking the router was holding an ARP cache and when the fail-over occurred, UCARP did not send anything out to cause the router to invalidate its cached entry for the UCARP IP address. I added "arping -c 1 -s 192.168.1.20 192.168.1.1" to

"capturing" console resolution from auto-detection for when KVM switched away?

2011-11-14 Thread Dan B.
What command shows the virtual console video mode (specifically, the information needed to set it to that mode if it's in a different mode)? When I boot with my monitor connected (through a KVM), I end up with high-resolution virtual consoles (67 rows by 240 columns). However, when I boot with

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-14 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:14:07 -0500, Tom H wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Walter Hurry >> wrote: >>> On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:34:36 -0500, Tom H wrote: >>> For the latest Fedora beta, "gnome-shell will run even on hardware >>>

Re: Is for this community XFCE the most common DE to replace GNOME 3?

2011-11-14 Thread Rob Owens
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 08:39:06PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi :) > > do most of you replace GNOME 3 by XFCE? > > I'm undecided what to do, but I guess it would be wise to install > parallel to GNOME 3 the most used alternative installed by users who are > subscribed to this list. > > Except

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-14 Thread Walter Hurry
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:14:07 -0500, Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Walter Hurry > wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:34:36 -0500, Tom H wrote: >> >>> For the latest Fedora beta, "gnome-shell will run even on hardware >>> without a native 3D driver, including virt guests." >> >> Umm

Re: Is for this community XFCE the most common DE to replace GNOME 3?

2011-11-14 Thread Walter Hurry
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:53:59 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > LXDE is even smaller and faster, but also has less features. Interesting comment. What in your opinion is missing? FWIW I am using LXDE and Openbox and have not noticed any missing functionality which cannot be remedied by editing a te

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-14 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:34:36 -0500, Tom H wrote: > >> For the latest Fedora beta, "gnome-shell will run even on hardware >> without a native 3D driver, including virt guests." > > Umm, there isn't a Fedora beta at the moment. Fedora has "rawh

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-14 Thread Walter Hurry
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:34:36 -0500, Tom H wrote: > For the latest Fedora beta, "gnome-shell will run even on hardware > without a native 3D driver, including virt guests." Umm, there isn't a Fedora beta at the moment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a su

[far far OT] The Quest (Daniel Yergin)

2011-11-14 Thread Harry Putnam
I've asked this here due to this being such a well informed bunch. Please do not shoot... I will go away shortly. Can anyone tell me if there is a usenet group where books such as Daniel Yergin's new book `The Quest' About `the quest' for energy sources thru time and into the future. Would be d

Re: UCARP Behind NAT

2011-11-14 Thread Chris Snyder
Okay I feel like I'm talking to myself here, but I want to update this with my progress. It always irks me to google something only to find a thread years old with your exact problem but no solution! It turns out that the router DOES fail-over to the second machine. It just can take up to 5 minute

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! Reverted to XFCE4

2011-11-14 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
Andrei POPESCU, 14.11.2011: > > LXDE in squeeze is still usable on a PII-333 MHz with 256 MB RAM and 6GB > HDD and if this is not enough one can very easily not install a DE and > use one of the many Window Managers or just run the computer text only. I set up a similar machine, with 256MB ram,

Re: error when configuring the Kerberos NFSv4 on Debian 6.0.3 (in testing no error)

2011-11-14 Thread Arno Schuring
Kramarenko A. Maksim (mc@k-max.name on 2011-11-14 13:02 +0400): > Hello, All! > Tired of "fighting" with Kreberos. > The second week I can not properly configure the server NFSv4 and > domain on Win 2k8 R2 via kerberos. Kinit command, etc. work properly > and get tickets from the KDC: > =

Re: xfce weather plugin broken?

2011-11-14 Thread Pete Orrall
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 16:31 +, Brian wrote: > On Sun 13 Nov 2011 at 10:18:52 -0500, Pete Orrall wrote: > > > What's going on and how do I fix this? > > https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce > > November 2011. Thanks Brian and Joey for the help. I dug a little deeper with the links pr

Re: Is for this community XFCE the most common DE to replace GNOME 3?

2011-11-14 Thread Pete Orrall
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 20:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi :) > > do most of you replace GNOME 3 by XFCE? Starting with Squeeze I've been using XFCE full time to replace Gnome 2.x. For whatever reason in Squeeze Gnome is slower than molasses. Gnome was fine in Lenny. I've always had Xfce inst

Re: How to get an IP address

2011-11-14 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > > The 'getent' utility is part of GNU glibc and is present on any GNU > glibc based system but not present on others.  It won't work on HP-UX > for example. "getent" exists in Solaris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.deb

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-14 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:17:52 +, Joe wrote: > On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:06:42 + (UTC) Camaleón > wrote: > > >> GNOME developers provide lots of information about GNOME3 and the new >> gnome-shell: >> >> https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell >> >> You can use that page as a start point to get

Re: KDE package manager

2011-11-14 Thread Sian Mountbatten
Doug writes: > On 11/09/2011 03:33 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> On Jo, 03 nov 11, 10:59:43, Ken Heard wrote: >>> Sian Mountbatten wrote, in part: >>> Is there a KDE package manager available? >>> >>> What happened to KDE's Kpackage? It is in Lenny, but I do not see it in >>> the Debian repo

Re: Getting mail using gnus

2011-11-14 Thread Sian Mountbatten
Memnon Anon writes: > Sian Mountbatten writes: > >> When I issue the command M-x gnus in Emacs, some messages flash >> by in the echo area, but I do not get any mail. > > Have a look at your message buffer: *Messages* No joy there. -- Dr S Mountbatten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-use

Re: Re (4): Using a Fire-i camera

2011-11-14 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:53:09 -0700, peasthope wrote: > From: Camaleon > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:39:03 + (UTC) >> Anyway, Coriander expects a "/dev/raw1394" device, do you already have >> that? > > According to https://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/ juju doesn't use > /dev/raw1394. peter@joule:~

Re: Getting mail using gnus

2011-11-14 Thread Sian Mountbatten
hob...@poukram.net (Rémi Letot) writes: > Sian Mountbatten writes: > > > [...] > >> When I issue the command M-x gnus in Emacs, some messages flash >> by in the echo area, but I do not get any mail. > > gnus treats imap folders as newsgroups, so you have to subscribe to > them. > > When in the

Re: Howto upgrade perl without removing everything

2011-11-14 Thread Richard
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:09:20 + Wolodja Wentland wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 15:03 +, Richard wrote: > > Hi, > > Playing dangerously with Sid, and I've reached the limit of what it will > > upgrade to > > without some help. > > Nearly everything has a dependency on perl, the perl ver

Re: Howto upgrade perl without removing everything

2011-11-14 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 15:03 +, Richard wrote: > Hi, > Playing dangerously with Sid, and I've reached the limit of what it will > upgrade to > without some help. > Nearly everything has a dependency on perl, the perl version has change, so > how do just upgrade the > perl base. > I can't see

Re: Meaning of letters in aptitude output not found with ? inside aptitude

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 14 nov 11, 15:53:50, Harry Putnam wrote: > > Anyway, thanks so much for doing the legwork with such precision and > making my end such a shoo-in 1. I cheated since I knew the correct answer and knew what to look for 2. you didn't expect to be spoon-fed and asked for the correct docs inste

Re: GNOME 3 Alt-Tab takes two hands now?

2011-11-14 Thread Kevin Ross
On 11/14/2011 08:33 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:38:03 -0800, Kevin Ross wrote: If you have two windows open for the same application, the Alt-Tab popup combines them into a single icon. To switch between windows of the same application, you have to hit the down arrow while the p

Re: Re: How to get an IP address

2011-11-14 Thread Clive Standbridge
Bob Proulx wrote: > > The 'getent' utility is part of GNU glibc and is present on any GNU > glibc based system but not present on others. It won't work on HP-UX > for example. Certainly if you only care about GNU/Linux machines then > you should be safe using it. A good suggestion. That's good

Re: Meaning of letters in aptitude output not found with ? inside aptitude

2011-11-14 Thread Harry Putnam
Andrei POPESCU writes: > Oh, sorry should have given you a few hints, since it's quite hidden: > see chapter 2 "aptitude reference guide", section "Managing packages", > sub-section "Accessing package information", specifically the paragraph > explaining the 'webmin' example (line 1856, 23%).

Re: Is for this community XFCE the most common DE to replace GNOME 3?

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 14 nov 11, 20:39:06, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi :) > > do most of you replace GNOME 3 by XFCE? > > I'm undecided what to do, but I guess it would be wise to install > parallel to GNOME 3 the most used alternative installed by users who are > subscribed to this list. > > Excepted of KDE user

Re: Meaning of letters in aptitude output not found with ? inside aptitude

2011-11-14 Thread Harry Putnam
M-L writes: > I certainly appreciate it very much and am probably not the only one. >From OP.. hear hear -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k472fk9j.

Re: Howto upgrade perl without removing everything

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 14 nov 11, 15:03:49, Richard wrote: > I can't see the equivalent of rpm --nodeps in apt-get, and clean up > the mess afterwards. JFYI, the equivalent of rpm is dpkg, not apt, and it does have the switch you are looking for if you look in the manpage, BUT overriding dependencies is a bad

Re: GNOME 3 Alt-Tab takes two hands now?

2011-11-14 Thread Kevin Ross
On 11/14/2011 08:56 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 05:38, Kevin Ross wrote: If you have two windows open for the same application, the Alt-Tab popup combines them into a single icon. To switch between windows of the same application, you have to hit the down arrow while the pop

Re: can I safelly remove gnome ?

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 14 nov 11, 10:19:59, Joao Ferreira Gmail wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm going to start using xfce4. > > Can I safelly "apt-get remove/purge gnome" Haven't done that in a while, but some things to consider: Xfce does not have: - a graphical package manager (keep synaptic, update-manager-gnom

Re: Is for this community XFCE the most common DE to replace GNOME 3?

2011-11-14 Thread Weaver
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:00:33 + Joao Ferreira Gmail wrote: > On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 20:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Hi :) > > > > do most of you replace GNOME 3 by XFCE? > > > > I'm undecided what to do, but I guess it would be wise to install > > parallel to GNOME 3 the most used altern

Re: Into: Coming over to Debian from Ubuntu

2011-11-14 Thread Weaver
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:11:21 -0500 doug wrote: > On 11/14/2011 09:10 AM, Camaleón wrote: > > /snip/ > > I've also read bad reviewes for the new MacOS Lion system. My > > feeling is that Apple will discontinue sooner or later its server > > business (and possibly the desktop...) and will concentr

Re: Into: Coming over to Debian from Ubuntu

2011-11-14 Thread Weaver
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:11:21 -0500 doug wrote: > On 11/14/2011 09:10 AM, Camaleón wrote: > > /snip/ > > I've also read bad reviewes for the new MacOS Lion system. My > > feeling is that Apple will discontinue sooner or later its server > > business (and possibly the desktop...) and will concentr

Re: Why do I have wpasupplicant installed if I don't have a wifi interface?

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 14 nov 11, 11:35:30, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > If you use a static /etc/network/interfaces, you're likelly to be much > better off without that desktop fluff. IMHO, you should just get rid of > it, at most you will lose the dekstop applets that show ethernet state. Don't know

Re: Meaning of letters in aptitude output not found with ? inside aptitude

2011-11-14 Thread M-L
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:45:14 +0200 "Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com" suggested this: >On Du, 13 nov 11, 17:40:12, Harry Putnam wrote: >> >> I could still use a little push though... I've scanned thru 3977 >> lines and according to my editor emacs, I am only 50% thru the >> document. >>

Re: Into: Coming over to Debian from Ubuntu

2011-11-14 Thread doug
On 11/14/2011 09:10 AM, Camaleón wrote: /snip/ I've also read bad reviewes for the new MacOS Lion system. My feeling is that Apple will discontinue sooner or later its server business (and possibly the desktop...) and will concentrate the forces into the mobile market (iPhone/Pad/Pod and noteboo

Re: Gnome 3 and non-free firmware

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 13 nov 11, 20:04:51, John S. wrote: > I use Xfce on wheezy and and happy but I was interested enough to > install gnome 3 on a spare drive. Everything went fine except that I > was forced into using the fall back version as the installer couldn't > find a suitable graphics (3D) driver. > >

Re: [OT] can't see own post to the list

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 14 nov 11, 12:32:37, Tom H wrote: > > If you disable threading, your mails will appear in you inbox. Not the one sent back by the list. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signat

Re: Gnome meltdown observed from the sidelines

2011-11-14 Thread Richard
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:01:45 -0800 (PST) Go Linux wrote: > Since I am on Squeeze, I have not yet had the (dis)pleasure of encountering > Gnome 3. But I am > watching the ruckus closely. If I weren't on dialup, I might even install > Wheezy and give it a spin. > But then that might be a little

realtime kernel and nvidia [was: Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?]

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 14 nov 11, 06:23:10, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > If 3D acceleration is needed an audio realtime patched kernel couldn't > be used with NVIDIA graphics. There are patches that enable to use > NVIDIA with the proprietary 3D acceleration, but those patches are > offending the GNU. I still own the

Re: gnome-shell-extensions

2011-11-14 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:25:57 +0100, DebianTR.WP wrote: > On 11/14/2011 06:52 PM, Camaleón wrote: (...) >>> Did you build it yourself? It is not available in wheezy repos. >> No, I have the default "gnome-shell" without the extensions package >> installed but the key you mention is present here a

Gnome meltdown observed from the sidelines

2011-11-14 Thread Go Linux
Since I am on Squeeze, I have not yet had the (dis)pleasure of encountering Gnome 3. But I am watching the ruckus closely. If I weren't on dialup, I might even install Wheezy and give it a spin. But then that might be a little too much excitement for me!! :) (I think all you you alpha tester

Re: Is for this community XFCE the most common DE to replace GNOME 3?

2011-11-14 Thread Joao Ferreira Gmail
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 20:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi :) > > do most of you replace GNOME 3 by XFCE? > > I'm undecided what to do, but I guess it would be wise to install > parallel to GNOME 3 the most used alternative installed by users who are > subscribed to this list. > > Excepted of K

Re: Meaning of letters in aptitude output not found with ? inside aptitude

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 13 nov 11, 17:40:12, Harry Putnam wrote: > > I could still use a little push though... I've scanned thru 3977 lines > and according to my editor emacs, I am only 50% thru the document. > > So far and have not found it. I see the uppercase A shown in many > places but so far no description

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! Reverted to XFCE4

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 14 nov 11, 14:12:12, Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins wrote: > > It is a very limited idea the developers of the distros (including > Debain itself) have that people from all over the world follow this > pattern (-My computer is old, I'm going to throw it on the garbage > an buy a new one)

Re: How to get an IP address

2011-11-14 Thread Bob Proulx
Clive Standbridge wrote: > Kind people have already suggested dig and host, 'dig' and 'host' are the portable way to look things up since those either already exist or can exist on any Unix-like system. > but may I make another suggestion: > >getent hosts $hostname | awk '{print $1}' > > It

Re: Into: Coming over to Debian from Ubuntu

2011-11-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 14 nov 11, 14:10:57, Camaleón wrote: > > That's the tramp. You don't own your computer but Apple. I'm stumped to > see people with a Mac going to the Apple store every time a small problem > arise instead of solving the issue by themselves. Wow, so you get a > "oops, something went worng

Re: iceweasel 8.0 www.bsi.de triggers "The connection was reset"

2011-11-14 Thread Weaver
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:02:49 -0600 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > using iceweasel 8.0 and calling http://www.bsi.de results in a page > > showing "The connection was reset" whereas using plain firefox 8.0 > > on the very same computer with the same profile does

Re: iceweasel 8.0 www.bsi.de triggers "The connection was reset"

2011-11-14 Thread Weaver
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:02:49 -0600 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > using iceweasel 8.0 and calling http://www.bsi.de results in a page > > showing "The connection was reset" whereas using plain firefox 8.0 > > on the very same computer with the same profile does

Is for this community XFCE the most common DE to replace GNOME 3?

2011-11-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi :) do most of you replace GNOME 3 by XFCE? I'm undecided what to do, but I guess it would be wise to install parallel to GNOME 3 the most used alternative installed by users who are subscribed to this list. Excepted of KDE users, XFCE seems to be the most used replacement for GNOME 3. Am I mi

Re: How to get an IP address

2011-11-14 Thread Clive Standbridge
> Hi, > > I know how to get an IP address *info* using dig, but has anyone looked > into how to get *only* the IP address? so that I can use, eg. > > the_ip=`get_ip host` Hi Tong, Kind people have already suggested dig and host, but may I make another suggestion: getent hosts $hostname |

Re (4): Using a Fire-i camera

2011-11-14 Thread peasthope
From: Camaleon Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:39:03 + (UTC) > Anyway, Coriander expects a "/dev/raw1394" device, do you already have > that? According to https://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/ juju doesn't use /dev/raw1394. peter@joule:~$ ls /dev/raw* ls: cannot access /dev/raw*: No such file or d

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-14 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Joe wrote: > > I think, as usual with Linux graphics, that we are talking drivers here. > > I don't really think this is fixable. The MB is two-three years old. So > not old enough to write off as useless, but not brand-new either. For the latest Fedora beta, "gno

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-14 Thread Joe
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:06:42 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: > > GNOME developers provide lots of information about GNOME3 and the new > gnome-shell: > > https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell > > You can use that page as a start point to get a clue on why your VGA > is not capable of running gnome-sh

Re: Why do I have wpasupplicant installed if I don't have a wifi interface?

2011-11-14 Thread Rick Thomas
On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: If you use a static /etc/network/interfaces, you're likelly to be much better off without that desktop fluff. IMHO, you should just get rid of it, at most you will lose the dekstop applets that show ethernet state. Thanks!

Re: gnome-shell-extensions

2011-11-14 Thread DebianTR.WP
On 11/14/2011 06:52 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:18:28 +0100, DebianTR.WP wrote: On 11/14/2011 05:48 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:06:57 +0100, DebianTR.WP wrote: (...) $ gsettings list-keys org.gnome.shell command-history development-tools disabled-open-search-

Re: KVM networking.

2011-11-14 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Arno: >I think this setup might need additional configuration on the outside, >because you need to add the same subnet route on your Internet >modem/router. I don't think qemu gives you NAT for free... I've got such a problem w/ NATing: /sbin/iptables -t nat -

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! Reverted to XFCE4

2011-11-14 Thread Walter Hurry
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:13:42 -0300, Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins wrote: > Em 12-11-2011 17:57, Walter Hurry escreveu: >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:13:49 -0500, Doug wrote: >> >>> I seem to recall that this Gnome3 and Unity first came from Ubuntu. >> Unity did. GNOME3 has no origin in Ubuntu. >>

Re: Into: Coming over to Debian from Ubuntu

2011-11-14 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:39:07 -0500, Tom H wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Camaleón wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:22:17 -0500, Tom H wrote: >>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:47:33 -0500, Douglas Saylor wrote: (...) > *

Re: gnome-shell-extensions

2011-11-14 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:18:28 +0100, DebianTR.WP wrote: > On 11/14/2011 05:48 PM, Camaleón wrote: > >> On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:06:57 +0100, DebianTR.WP wrote: >> >> (...) >> >>> $ gsettings list-keys org.gnome.shell >>> >>> command-history >>> development-tools >>> disabled-open-search-providers >>

Re: OT: Just a simple query

2011-11-14 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Raf Czlonka wrote: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:29:03PM GMT, Tom H wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Raf Czlonka wrote: >> > On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 11:12:01PM GMT, Ismael Scalcon wrote: >> >> To clarify things up (ok, a bit off topic): >> >> >> >> Red

Re: OT: Just a simple query

2011-11-14 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: > Walter Hurry writes: >> On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:12:01 -0200, Ismael Scalcon wrote: >> >>> But it's still opensource, so the source code is free to download and >>> compile. The guys at CentOS do it, they get all the source code for RHL, >>> re

Re: can I safelly remove gnome ?

2011-11-14 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Mon, 11/14/11, Joao Ferreira Gmail wrote: > I'm going to start using xfce4. > > Can I safelly "apt-get remove/purge gnome" Short answer: No. It will break your system to remove/purge the gnome meta-package. Even uninstalling the gnome packages individually will cause problems. > O

Re: gnome-shell-extensions

2011-11-14 Thread DebianTR.WP
On 11/14/2011 05:48 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:06:57 +0100, DebianTR.WP wrote: (...) $ gsettings list-keys org.gnome.shell command-history development-tools disabled-open-search-providers enable-app-monitoring enabled-extensions favorite-apps looking-glass-history saved-im-pr

Re: Into: Coming over to Debian from Ubuntu

2011-11-14 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:22:17 -0500, Tom H wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Camaleón wrote: >>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:47:33 -0500, Douglas Saylor wrote: >>> >>> (...) >>> *Meanwhile* iOS is *so* polished, so easy, so intuitive & ye

Re: [OT] can't see own post to the list

2011-11-14 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Dan B. wrote: > Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 14/11/11 11:19, Dan B. wrote: >>> Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/11/11 16:14, Doug wrote: > > GMail deliberately removes your own list messages so > you can't see them and know that you actually were succes

Re: Newly back to Debian/LXDE, now have a blank menu.

2011-11-14 Thread Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins
Em 14-11-2011 13:30, Cybe R. Wizard escreveu: OK, I'll admit that I drank the Ubuntu Kook-Aid for a (n unspecified) number of years. Now I've returned /home Welcome home. preferring to use LXDE/Compiz. Since you are releasing yourself from chains, do yourself a favor and get rid of Compiz. If

Re: gdm3

2011-11-14 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:56:18 -0500, Tom H wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Camaleón wrote: >>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:57:22 -0500, Tom H wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19

Re: GNOME 3 Alt-Tab takes two hands now?

2011-11-14 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2011 14 Nov 10:49 -0600, Tom H wrote: > By default, it's OS X-style: > alt-tab to switch apps > alt-backtick to switch windows within an app Ahh, cool! Thanks for that tip. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! Reverted to XFCE4

2011-11-14 Thread Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins
Em 12-11-2011 17:57, Walter Hurry escreveu: On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:13:49 -0500, Doug wrote: I seem to recall that this Gnome3 and Unity first came from Ubuntu. Unity did. GNOME3 has no origin in Ubuntu. Yes, Unity is still using gtk2. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! Reverted to XFCE4

2011-11-14 Thread Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins
Em 12-11-2011 15:51, Joe escreveu: I wouldn't know, my two-year-old Gigabyte MB is apparently too old for Gnome 3. According to the Gnome site: 'It is our primary focus to build a modern operating environment, platform, and user experience. It doesn't make sense to target the hardware of the pas

Re: Howto upgrade perl without removing everything

2011-11-14 Thread Richard
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:56:31 +0100 Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2011-11-14 16:03 +0100, Richard wrote: > > > Playing dangerously with Sid, and I've reached the limit of what it will > > upgrade to > > without some help. > > Nearly everything has a dependency on perl, the perl version has change, so

Newly back to Debian/LXDE, now have a blank menu.

2011-11-14 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
OK, I'll admit that I drank the Ubuntu Kook-Aid for a (n unspecified) number of years. Now I've returned /home (Debian stable currently until I get used to using it again). Doing so, I chose to not install GNOME or KDE, preferring to use LXDE/Compiz. All was well and good (took some getting used

Re: How to get an IP address

2011-11-14 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:44:48 +, T o n g wrote: > I know how to get an IP address *info* using dig, but has anyone looked > into how to get *only* the IP address? so that I can use, eg. > > the_ip=`get_ip host` Not sure if this will be bulletproof but... sm01@stt008:~$ host -t a google.com|

Re: [OT] can't see own post to the list

2011-11-14 Thread Dan B.
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 14/11/11 11:19, Dan B. wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/11/11 16:14, Doug wrote: ... GMail deliberately removes your own list messages so you can't see them and know that you actually were successful in posting. Well, no. Not that I have shares in Google - just

Re: GNOME 3 Alt-Tab takes two hands now?

2011-11-14 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 05:38, Kevin Ross wrote: > If you have two windows open for the same application, the Alt-Tab popup > combines them into a single icon.  To switch between windows of the same > application, you have to hit the down arrow while the popup is up.  So you > have to hit Alt-Tab,

Re: How to get an IP address

2011-11-14 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:44 AM, T o n g wrote: > > I know how to get an IP address *info* using dig, but has anyone looked > into how to get *only* the IP address? so that I can use, eg. > >  the_ip=`get_ip host` dig +short ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: gnome-shell-extensions

2011-11-14 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:06:57 +0100, DebianTR.WP wrote: (...) > $ gsettings list-keys org.gnome.shell > > command-history > development-tools > disabled-open-search-providers > enable-app-monitoring > enabled-extensions > favorite-apps > looking-glass-history > saved-im-presence > saved-session-p

Re: GNOME 3 Alt-Tab takes two hands now?

2011-11-14 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:38:03 -0800, Kevin Ross wrote: > >> If you have two windows open for the same application, the Alt-Tab popup >> combines them into a single icon. To switch between windows of the same >> application, you have to hit the dow

How to get an IP address

2011-11-14 Thread T o n g
Hi, I know how to get an IP address *info* using dig, but has anyone looked into how to get *only* the IP address? so that I can use, eg. the_ip=`get_ip host` Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/ -- To U

Re: UCARP Behind NAT

2011-11-14 Thread Chris Snyder
Any ideas where a good place to ask for help on this topic is? Is there a UCARP mailing list? I realize it might be a little specific for this list. Thanks, Chris On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: > Hey Guys, > > First time here on the list, so hopefully I get everything right

Re: GNOME 3 Alt-Tab takes two hands now?

2011-11-14 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:38:03 -0800, Kevin Ross wrote: > If you have two windows open for the same application, the Alt-Tab popup > combines them into a single icon. To switch between windows of the same > application, you have to hit the down arrow while the popup is up. So > you have to hit Alt

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-14 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2011 14 Nov 10:00 -0600, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Well, I've usually found Debian testing to be a winning team. I have > changed players -- I've moved to XFCE. Icewm didn't seem to have any way > to suspend or hibernate. Is IceWM even under active development any more? It had a reasonable f

Re: iceweasel 8.0 www.bsi.de triggers "The connection was reset"

2011-11-14 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: Hi, using iceweasel 8.0 and calling http://www.bsi.de results in a page showing "The connection was reset" whereas using plain firefox 8.0 on the very same computer with the same profile does show the web-page of BSI. I already filed a bug (#648696). Can anybody confirm

Re: Howto upgrade perl without removing everything

2011-11-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-11-14 16:03 +0100, Richard wrote: > Playing dangerously with Sid, and I've reached the limit of what it will > upgrade to > without some help. > Nearly everything has a dependency on perl, the perl version has change, so > how do just upgrade the > perl base. Just don't do it. > I can

Howto upgrade perl without removing everything

2011-11-14 Thread Richard
Hi, Playing dangerously with Sid, and I've reached the limit of what it will upgrade to without some help. Nearly everything has a dependency on perl, the perl version has change, so how do just upgrade the perl base. I can't see the equivalent of rpm --nodeps in apt-get, and clean up the mess a

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-14 Thread John L. Cunningham
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 03:26:26PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:03:15 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > Apps that used the former system tray now place their icons in a special > > bar at the bottom of the screen. Moving the mouse to the lower right > > corner makes the bar

Re: Re (3): Using a Fire-i camera

2011-11-14 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:28:06 -0700, peasthope wrote: > * From: Camaleón * Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 > 15:21:20 + (UTC) >> And now I recall... I think the raw1394 interface was removed from >> Debian kernel time ago, but I don't know what's its current status nor >> how this finally affe

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:03:15 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > As a follow-up, installing gnaome-tweak-tool allows one to restore the > minimize and maximize buttons to each window. I guess this is what I get for using testing. > > When switching apps, Alt-Tab brings up the list of apps, but while

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