Re: What does Audacity do when no files are loaded?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 20:51 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: > So I load up Audacity while copying some audio files, in order to have it > ready when it's time to process them. > > And in htop, I notice that even minutes after being loaded, Audacity is > using substantial CPU (6-11%, varying every refresh

GNOME 3 - Performance slowed down rapidly

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
If I e.g. click a link in an email, there's still the notification working, when I read the link that already was opened with Iceweasel and it's still working when I already closed the website, "Opening xy" still is running. Subjectively it feels like even closing a Windows slowed down. I'm using

Re: /etc/network/interfaces whacked

2011-11-13 Thread Mike Castle
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mike Castle wrote: > In addition to the Gnome 3 stuff, I just experienced another issue > with upgrading my laptop on the testing track. > > Something whacked my /etc/network/interfaces. > > > Fortunately I happen to have a backup of the / partition, so I'll be >

Re: Whats missing from Gnome3

2011-11-13 Thread Bob Proulx
Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Richard wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > I have used alien and been into the guts of it and after really > > > wanting it to work I was always disappointed. It sounds like a cool > > > idea. I wanted it to work. But it just can't work perfectly because > > > packages from

Re: Gnome3 and external screen

2011-11-13 Thread Johann Spies
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 07:59:36PM +0200, Camaleón wrote: > > You may be referring to the gnome-shell, not gnome3 :-P I did not know what 'gnome-shell' was. After checking 'wajig show gnome-shell' I see it replaces the old gnome-panel. So yes, you are probably correct. > > > When I configure my

Re: Whats missing from Gnome3

2011-11-13 Thread Bob Proulx
Richard wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > Instead of trying to use alien to install rpms directly perhaps you > > might say exactly what you are wanting to accomplish and the brain > > trust on the mailing list might have a native alternative suggestion? > > I thought I had Bob, its the either 4 or 5

Re: Gnome 3 and non-free firmware

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 20:04 -0500, John S. wrote: > I use Xfce on wheezy and and happy but I was interested enough to > install gnome 3 on a spare drive. Everything went fine except that I > was forced into using the fall back version as the installer couldn't > find a suitable graphics (3D) driver

Re: Is GNOME 2 panel still in unstable?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 01:34 +0100, Arno Schuring wrote: > However, you can argue whether effectively discontinuing the most-used > DE on Linux is a wise move. I can understand some of the reasoning > behind it, but in my mind, abandoning your old product in favor of some > fad of the day feels like

Re: update-flashplugin-nonfree issue

2011-11-13 Thread J. Bakshi
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:53:37 -0800 Kevin Ross wrote: [] > This way, you get updates to the > flash binary whenever you update your system, just like any other package. > [] Fantastic... thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsub

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 17:17 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Joe writes: > > I don't see why my old Gnome environment just disappeared down the > > plughole simply because my graphics driver or chipset doesn't do > > hardware 3D acceleration. > > It didn't. It's still there. You are free to continue

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 22:51 +, Joe wrote: > I don't see why my old Gnome environment just disappeared down the > plughole simply because my graphics driver or chipset doesn't do > hardware 3D acceleration. If 3D acceleration is needed an audio realtime patched kernel couldn't be used with NVI

Re: GNOME 3 extensions that mimic GNOME 2

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 13:32 -0800, Kevin Ross wrote: > I just found some extensions that give your desktop a GNOME 2 look and > feel. I guess it's kinda like fallback mode, but fallback mode is > supposedly only temporary. > > All you need to do is extract the .tgz file into your home folder, l

OT: Into: Coming over to Debian from Ubuntu

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 18:17 +, Camaleón wrote: > It's all relative... But to my eyes, Apple devices are just beautiful > bricks, plenty of traps with an invisible and "costly" price (and I'm not > speaking about $). I cannot feel confortable with a company policy that > prevents the movement

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 12:28 -0500, Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Scott Ferguson > wrote: > > On 13/11/11 11:13, Walter Hurry wrote: > >> > >> It seems fashionable to complain about GNOME3. If you don't like it (and > >> personally I detest it), then you have three choices: > >> >

GNOME 3 Alt-Tab takes two hands now?

2011-11-13 Thread Kevin Ross
If you have two windows open for the same application, the Alt-Tab popup combines them into a single icon. To switch between windows of the same application, you have to hit the down arrow while the popup is up. So you have to hit Alt-Tab, and while holding down the Alt key, hit the down arro

Re: gdm3

2011-11-13 Thread Sridhar M.A.
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 03:35:59PM +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:58:15 +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote: > > > With new gdm3 entering testing, > > gdm3 has been available in wheezy since time ago... > Yes. My bad, forgot to mention that the version was 3.0. > N

Re: GNOME 3 extensions that mimic GNOME 2

2011-11-13 Thread Carlo Borelli
2011/11/13 Kevin Ross > I just found some extensions that give your desktop a GNOME 2 look and > feel. I guess it's kinda like fallback mode, but fallback mode is > supposedly only temporary. > > All you need to do is extract the .tgz file into your home folder, log out > and log back in. Easy

What does Audacity do when no files are loaded?

2011-11-13 Thread Carl Fink
So I load up Audacity while copying some audio files, in order to have it ready when it's time to process them. And in htop, I notice that even minutes after being loaded, Audacity is using substantial CPU (6-11%, varying every refresh cycle of htop), even though no files are loaded and it isn't d

Re: (SOLVED!) Re: Auto network reconfiguring causes DNS lookup to fail

2011-11-13 Thread Joel Roth
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 02:10:41AM +0100, Tomasz Kundera wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:59 AM, Joel Roth wrote: > > Since that advent of udev, I notice that not all network > > devices start at 0. For instance, I have only one ethernet > > interface, eth1. And only one wireless interface, wlan

UCARP Behind NAT

2011-11-13 Thread Chris Snyder
Hey Guys, First time here on the list, so hopefully I get everything right here. I have two Squeeze systems that I have setup with UCARP for auto-failover. Here's the relevant /etc/network/interfaces of Server 1: 10 iface eth0 inet static 11 address 192.168.1.21 12 netmask 25

Re: (SOLVED!) Re: Auto network reconfiguring causes DNS lookup to fail

2011-11-13 Thread Tomasz Kundera
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:59 AM, Joel Roth wrote: > Since that advent of udev, I notice that not all network > devices start at 0. For instance, I have only one ethernet > interface, eth1. And only one wireless interface, wlan1. Yes. You can chenge numbers in /etc/udev.d/*persistent_net* > 28687

Gnome 3 and non-free firmware

2011-11-13 Thread John S.
I use Xfce on wheezy and and happy but I was interested enough to install gnome 3 on a spare drive. Everything went fine except that I was forced into using the fall back version as the installer couldn't find a suitable graphics (3D) driver. The on-board graphics chip is nVidia. I have never had

(SOLVED!) Re: Auto network reconfiguring causes DNS lookup to fail

2011-11-13 Thread Joel Roth
Summary: purging avahi-daemon appears to have resolved the issue. On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:28:28PM +, Brian wrote: > On Sun 13 Nov 2011 at 12:07:47 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 05:13:54PM +, Brian wrote: > > > May we see the output of ifconfig and your interface

Re: [OT] can't see own post to the list

2011-11-13 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 14/11/11 11:19, Dan B. wrote: > Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 13/11/11 16:14, Doug wrote: > ... >> >>> GMail deliberately removes your own list messages so >>> you can't see them and know that you actually were successful in >>> posting. >> >> Well, no. >> Not that I have shares in Google - jus

Re: Meaning of letters in aptitude output not found with ? inside aptitude

2011-11-13 Thread Brian
On Sun 13 Nov 2011 at 17:40:12 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: > If you know roughly where the info may be found..., something like > near the end.. midway or the like please let me know. About 20% of the way through. Unfortunately, mc doesn't give the first decimal place. Further clues available

Re: Is GNOME 2 panel still in unstable?

2011-11-13 Thread Arno Schuring
Camaleón (noela...@gmail.com on 2011-11-13 17:59 +): > > > and how many people are whining because GNOME 2 is gone? > > We all miss the good job that GNOME2 did. IMO, there is nothing wrong > about users whining or complaining because of the change, that's a > normal reaction that express t

Re: update-flashplugin-nonfree issue

2011-11-13 Thread Graham
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:53:37 -0800 Kevin Ross wrote: > Of course, it takes a while before he packages the latest version. > But that being said, the version that's currently packaged is 11.1 > (even for stable/Squeeze). Actually, he's fairly quick in updating the package. Still, you're depending

Re: [OT] can't see own post to the list

2011-11-13 Thread Dan B.
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/11/11 16:14, Doug wrote: ... GMail deliberately removes your own list messages so you can't see them and know that you actually were successful in posting. Well, no. Not that I have shares in Google - just a dislike for BS and trolls. The gmail default setting

Re (2): Meaning of letters in aptitude output not found with ? inside aptitude

2011-11-13 Thread peasthope
Harry, From: Harry Putnam Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:40:12 -0600 > I could still use a little push though... I've scanned thru 3977 lines > and according to my editor emacs, I am only 50% thru the document. To reply at a more abstract level, you might find the work of Niklaus Wirth and colle

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 14/11/11 04:28, Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Scott Ferguson > wrote: >> On 13/11/11 11:13, Walter Hurry wrote: >>> >> >> Suggestion to those that are unhappy - developers do care about >> users (without the silent L) - they don't have enough time, >> resources, respect,

Re: Meaning of letters in aptitude output not found with ? inside aptitude

2011-11-13 Thread Harry Putnam
Andrei POPESCU writes: > /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README Thanks for that: I could still use a little push though... I've scanned thru 3977 lines and according to my editor emacs, I am only 50% thru the document. So far and have not found it. I see the uppercase A shown in many places but so fa

Re: Auto network reconfiguring causes DNS lookup to fail

2011-11-13 Thread Brian
On Sun 13 Nov 2011 at 12:07:47 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 05:13:54PM +, Brian wrote: > > May we see the output of ifconfig and your interfaces file in > > /etc/network? > > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback This isn't the sum total of /etc/network/interfaces, is

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread John Hasler
Joe writes: > I don't see why my old Gnome environment just disappeared down the > plughole simply because my graphics driver or chipset doesn't do > hardware 3D acceleration. It didn't. It's still there. You are free to continue using it, and to pay someone to support it for you if you wish. --

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
Joe, 13.11.2011: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:09:49 -0600 > "Selim T. Erdogan" wrote: > > > Joe, 13.11.2011: > > > > > > And I hate to invoke the Godwin's Law of Open Source, but my other > > > workstation isn't up to running the fancy graphical bits of Windows > > > 7, either, but Microsoft provide

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread Joe
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:09:49 -0600 "Selim T. Erdogan" wrote: > Joe, 13.11.2011: > > > > And I hate to invoke the Godwin's Law of Open Source, but my other > > workstation isn't up to running the fancy graphical bits of Windows > > 7, either, but Microsoft provide a perfectly good and > > fully-f

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread John Hasler
Joe writes: > And I hate to invoke the Godwin's Law of Open Source, but my other > workstation isn't up to running the fancy graphical bits of Windows 7, > either, but Microsoft provide a perfectly good and fully-functional > alternative, and don't warn me that it will only work for a while. > I'm

Re: GNOME 3 - Help needed - Testing upgraded from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3

2011-11-13 Thread Arno Schuring
Selim T. Erdogan (se...@alumni.cs.utexas.edu on 2011-11-13 05:32 -0600): > Arno Schuring, 12.11.2011: > > > > Ralf Mardorf (ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net on 2011-11-11 23:51 +0100): > > > > > > Before I run the upgrade I saved a backup of my GNOME 2 Debian. Is > > > there the need to restore Debian

Re (3): Using a Fire-i camera

2011-11-13 Thread peasthope
* From: Camaleón * Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:21:20 + (UTC) > And now I recall... I think the raw1394 interface was removed from Debian > kernel time ago, but I don't know what's its current status nor how this > finally affects Coriander, maybe you need to manually build/enable th

Re: Auto network reconfiguring causes DNS lookup to fail

2011-11-13 Thread Joel Roth
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 05:13:54PM +, Brian wrote: > On Sun 13 Nov 2011 at 05:29:50 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > > My laptop's wlan1 interface is connected to a wireless > > router, using wpa_supplicant (via wpa_gui). > > You don't use NM as well, do you? Correct, if by NM you mean Gnome (or

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
Joe, 13.11.2011: > > And I hate to invoke the Godwin's Law of Open Source, but my other > workstation isn't up to running the fancy graphical bits of Windows 7, > either, but Microsoft provide a perfectly good and fully-functional > alternative, and don't warn me that it will only work for a while

confused about running multiple WM's simultaneously (gnome, fluxbox, etc)

2011-11-13 Thread keitho
I want to try running different window managers simultaneously. I had originally been using gdm3, but edited the /etc/init.d/gdm3 file and added the line "exit 0" as the first line just to eliminate it from working. Now I just logon at the prompt when the system boots into tty1, so far so good. I d

Re: update-flashplugin-nonfree issue

2011-11-13 Thread Kevin Ross
On 11/12/2011 09:04 AM, J. Bakshi wrote: Dear list, I have run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" and it downloads the latest plugin at /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz after uncompromising it I get 1. libflashplayer.so 2. usr folder I have copie

[SOLVED] Re: Font Webkeepass vserver

2011-11-13 Thread Olivier BATARD
Resolved after a dpkg-reconfigure locale AND a vserver restart. Thanks ! Le 2 nov. 2011 à 16:33, Camaleón a écrit : > On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 12:54:17 +0100, Olivier BATARD wrote: > >> Hi, > > Hi... please, keep text based formatted messages because html code > renders very badly on some e-mail

GNOME 3 extensions that mimic GNOME 2

2011-11-13 Thread Kevin Ross
I just found some extensions that give your desktop a GNOME 2 look and feel. I guess it's kinda like fallback mode, but fallback mode is supposedly only temporary. All you need to do is extract the .tgz file into your home folder, log out and log back in. Easy peasy. It's a collection of 6

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread Joe
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:20:20 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:38:22 +, Joe wrote: > > > On 13/11/11 00:13, Walter Hurry wrote: > >> It seems fashionable to complain about GNOME3. If you don't like it > >> (and personally I detest it), then you have three choices: > >> > >

Re: URL for sid

2011-11-13 Thread Richard
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:44:08 +0200 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 13 nov 11, 12:01:19, Camaleón wrote: > > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:40:22 +, Richard wrote: > > > > > Whats the url for the daily build of SID. > > > > (...) > > > > AFAIK there is none. You have to get and install testing and

Re: fixing homedir

2011-11-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 13 nov 11, 20:20:46, Hanspeter Spalinger wrote: > > Any idea how to fix this? If possible, i do not want create a new > user, as i have to transfer a lot of stuff then. Try disabling gdm, login on the console and runt startx. If this works fine I would re-install the display manager or tr

Re: URL for sid

2011-11-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 13 nov 11, 12:01:19, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:40:22 +, Richard wrote: > > > Whats the url for the daily build of SID. > > (...) > > AFAIK there is none. You have to get and install testing and then point > your sources to sid in order to update. One can use the busi

Re: [OT] can't see own post to the list

2011-11-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 13 nov 11, 22:34:50, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > > Three ways to deal with the "problem" (I use none of them, but they've > all worked in the past.) > > 1. Look in All Mail (online) find one of your posts and use it to create > a filter sending those emails to Receipts. Select it - then from

Re: fixing homedir

2011-11-13 Thread Victor Nitu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/13/2011 09:20 PM, Hanspeter Spalinger wrote: > Any idea how to fix this? If possible, i do not want create a new > user, as i have to transfer a lot of stuff then. > What if you try to re-create the user? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version:

Re: Into: Coming over to Debian from Ubuntu

2011-11-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Tom H wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:47:33 -0500, Douglas Saylor wrote: (...) *Meanwhile* iOS is *so* polished, so easy, so intuitive& yes*very* pretty. Apple products are so closed, so limited and so restricted that renders you hardware into

fixing homedir

2011-11-13 Thread Hanspeter Spalinger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi list, I use debian unstable with gnome-shell. Recently (i think it was after a update), my user disappeared from the login window. Using "other" i can still login. A newly created testuser is fine, and appears in gdm as icon. If i log in as my old

SOLVED: webkit is calling libreoffice in konqueror

2011-11-13 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
Hi folks, some weeks ago I reported of a problem, that libreoffice is randomly called, when webkit is set in konqueror as html-renderer. Now I found the reason! It is the package mozilla-libreoffice and/or mozilla- openoffice.org. When you have installed them, and activate webkit in konqueror,

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 18:52 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 07:28 -0800, kei...@strucktower.com wrote: > > > > > > The most serious issue is, that some professional FLOSS apps were > > > written for GNOME 2, with GNOME 3 we fall back to an amateur OS > > > regarding to some apps.

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:38:22 +, Joe wrote: > On 13/11/11 00:13, Walter Hurry wrote: >> It seems fashionable to complain about GNOME3. If you don't like it >> (and personally I detest it), then you have three choices: >> >> a) Wait until it improves (3,2, 3.3, 3.4)? > > No, not an option. Gnom

Re: Into: Coming over to Debian from Ubuntu

2011-11-13 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:22:17 -0500, Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:47:33 -0500, Douglas Saylor wrote: >> >> (...) >> >>> *Meanwhile* iOS is *so* polished, so easy, so intuitive & yes*very* >>> pretty. >> >> Apple products are so closed, s

/etc/network/interfaces whacked

2011-11-13 Thread Mike Castle
In addition to the Gnome 3 stuff, I just experienced another issue with upgrading my laptop on the testing track. Something whacked my /etc/network/interfaces. Fortunately I happen to have a backup of the / partition, so I'll be able to walk through multiple installs to try to identify the culpr

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 07:28 -0800, kei...@strucktower.com wrote: > > > > The most serious issue is, that some professional FLOSS apps were > > written for GNOME 2, with GNOME 3 we fall back to an amateur OS > > regarding to some apps. > > > > - Ralf > > > > OK, I'm a n00b, so I don't always unders

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-13 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:46:34 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 14:39 +, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> > I'm using fallback mode and I'm still able to restore GNOME 2 ;). >> >> You've been warned: this will dissapear sooner or later so you can >> start looking for a replecement..

Re: Is GNOME 2 panel still in unstable?

2011-11-13 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:44:05 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 15:29 +0100, Erwan David wrote: (...) >> But I understand that fallback mode will disapear, sooner or later. >> >> > Really? Really. > How many people like GNOME 3 I like GNOME3. And I hope gnome-shell fits my

Re: gdm3

2011-11-13 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:57:22 -0500, Tom H wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:58:15 +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote: >>> >>> With new gdm3 entering testing, >> >> gdm3 has been available in wheezy since time ago... > > That's an unfortunate Debian-induc

Re: gdm3

2011-11-13 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:51:17 +0100, Erwan David wrote: > On 13/11/11 16:35, Camaleón wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:58:15 +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote: >> >>> With new gdm3 entering testing, >> >> gdm3 has been available in wheezy since time ago... >> >>> I have a problem with it. It does not ho

Re: gdm3

2011-11-13 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:46:07 +, Richard wrote: > I'm still not seeing any choice on the login pulldown menu for desktop > choice. > > How do I invoke it from CLI, after killing the Xserver, using startx > into xfce ? Richard, IIRC your problem it's being discussed in another thread, let's c

Re: GNOME 3 - Help needed - Testing upgraded from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf To: Arno Schuring Subject: Re: GNOME 3 - Help needed - Testing upgraded from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:13:01 +0100 On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 23:30 +0100, Arno Schuring wrote: > Allow me to join the choir :) :D > > I actuall

Re: problems

2011-11-13 Thread darkestkhan
2011/11/12 Doug : > On 11/12/2011 09:18 AM, Rob Owens wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 08:47:07PM +, HEDDY, WILLIAM wrote: >>> >>> To whom it may concern, >>> >>> I downloaded and installed Debian on my computer last night and I >>> rebooted the computer and now all that comes up is a white

Re: GNOME 3 issue - Evolution is offline due to a network outage

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 20:24 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > after upgrading all packages to latest GNOME 3 versions from testing > > Evolution still starts with "Evolution is currently offline due to a > > network outage. Evolution will return to online mode once a network > > co

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread Joe
On 13/11/11 00:13, Walter Hurry wrote: > It seems fashionable to complain about GNOME3. If you don't like it > (and personally I detest it), then you have three choices: > > a) Wait until it improves (3,2, 3.3, 3.4)? No, not an option. Gnome3 does not work on my hardware. > b) Put up with it as i

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 22:43 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:41:46 -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > > > Hi, all: > > > > What an appalling piece of crap is GNOME3! Full ACK! > I just did an innocent routine upgrade, and an eminently usable gnome 2 > turned into a mess. Inste

Re: Auto network reconfiguring causes DNS lookup to fail

2011-11-13 Thread Brian
On Sun 13 Nov 2011 at 05:29:50 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > My laptop's wlan1 interface is connected to a wireless > router, using wpa_supplicant (via wpa_gui). You don't use NM as well, do you? > Every few minutes, DNS lookup fails. Output of ifconfig > shows that eth1 and eth1:avahi interfaces ha

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 13/11/11 11:13, Walter Hurry wrote: >> >> It seems fashionable to complain about GNOME3. If you don't like it (and >> personally I detest it), then you have three choices: >> >> a) Wait until it improves (3,2, 3.3, 3.4)? >> b) Put up with

Re: Into: Coming over to Debian from Ubuntu

2011-11-13 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:47:33 -0500, Douglas Saylor wrote: > > (...) > >> *Meanwhile* iOS is *so* polished, so easy, so intuitive & yes*very* >> pretty. > > Apple products are so closed, so limited and so restricted that renders > you hardware into

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 14:39 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:10:54 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Everything Camaleón wrote is true, > > Your confirmation is reassuring... > > > e.g. for the default Windows just the buttons are missing, > > You can make them visible by using

Re: Is GNOME 2 panel still in unstable?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 15:29 +0100, Erwan David wrote: > Le Sun 13/11/2011, Ralf Mardorf said > > On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 11:16 +, Camalen wrote: > > > > Hm? Around 10 o'clock in the morning I wasn't able to receive emails. > > > > > > It's Sunday, people is sleeping after a long journey of gnome

Re: Is GNOME 2 panel still in unstable?

2011-11-13 Thread Richard
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:35:04 + (UTC) Walter Hurry wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:18:13 +, Camaleón wrote: > > > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:54:43 +, Richard wrote: > > >> Sorry printscreen doesn't function until logged in. > > > > You can use a digital still camera or your cell phone's

Re: Into: Coming over to Debian from Ubuntu

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 17:30 +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:16:03 -0500, Rob wrote in message > <2012141603.gb18...@aurora.owens.net>: > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 02:47:33PM -0500, Douglas Saylor wrote: > > > I used Debian once before, years ago & at the time Debian seem

Re: xfce weather plugin broken?

2011-11-13 Thread Brian
On Sun 13 Nov 2011 at 10:18:52 -0500, Pete Orrall wrote: > What's going on and how do I fix this? https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce November 2011. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.deb

Re: Can we stop whining about GNOME3 please?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 11:01 +0100, Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: > >> d) Fork GNOME2 and bring it back yourself. It's Free Software. > > > I just want to point out that a gnome 2 fork already exists: it is > called Mate [1,2]. > > IMHO, it is unlikely that gnome 2 fork (like this) get a big > audience/s

Re: wheezy / gnome3

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 17:10 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > When I've taken a look at the "archive" > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ , the latest mail currently is > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/11/msg00492.html > > AFAIK XFCE is the choice for Ubuntu Studio, to replace GNOME 3 and

Re: xfce weather plugin broken?

2011-11-13 Thread Joey Hess
Pete Orrall wrote: > Recently my weather plugin for xfce has stopped showing any weather > information at all. Now it displays "No Data." When hovering my pointer > over it, it reads "Cannot display weather data." Regardless of location > or zip code used there is no weather information displayed

Re: wheezy / gnome3

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
When I've taken a look at the "archive" http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ , the latest mail currently is http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/11/msg00492.html AFAIK XFCE is the choice for Ubuntu Studio, to replace GNOME 3 and Unity, I still need to read and reply to latest mails from Ubuntu

Re: virtualbox just became slow (SOLVED)

2011-11-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:44:45 + (UTC) Steve Kleene wrote: Hello Steve, > Thanks. I just did this on the router under LAN Setup / Address YW. > member of this household had changed the router password and then lost Ah, the "helpful" member of the household. :-) > it. If this group has

Re: gdm3

2011-11-13 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:58:15 +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote: >> >> With new gdm3 entering testing, > > gdm3 has been available in wheezy since time ago... That's an unfortunate Debian-induced confusion. Squeeze has a GDM that's called "gdm3" and tha

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-13 Thread Andrew Wood
Am I the only one who actually finds Gnome 3 to be a far more efficent way of working, particularly with regard to switching between windows? I always have been a bit odd ;) How am I supposed to be efficient with this thing? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org wi

Re: gdm3

2011-11-13 Thread Erwan David
On 13/11/11 16:35, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:58:15 +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote: > >> With new gdm3 entering testing, > > gdm3 has been available in wheezy since time ago... > >> I have a problem with it. It does not honour ~/.dmrc, where I could >> have set my desktop of choice. Lo

Re: gdm3

2011-11-13 Thread Richard
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:35:59 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:58:15 +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote: > > > With new gdm3 entering testing, > > gdm3 has been available in wheezy since time ago... > > > I have a problem with it. It does not honour ~/.dmrc, where I could > > have s

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-13 Thread keitho
> > The most serious issue is, that some professional FLOSS apps were > written for GNOME 2, with GNOME 3 we fall back to an amateur OS > regarding to some apps. > > - Ralf > OK, I'm a n00b, so I don't always understand how things work. But that sounds backward to me why would one write "profe

Auto network reconfiguring causes DNS lookup to fail

2011-11-13 Thread Joel Roth
Hi, My laptop's wlan1 interface is connected to a wireless router, using wpa_supplicant (via wpa_gui). Every few minutes, DNS lookup fails. Output of ifconfig shows that eth1 and eth1:avahi interfaces have come up. Output of route shows that eth1 entries have been added to the routing table.

Re: gdm3

2011-11-13 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:58:15 +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote: > With new gdm3 entering testing, gdm3 has been available in wheezy since time ago... > I have a problem with it. It does not honour ~/.dmrc, where I could > have set my desktop of choice. Looking around found that ~/.dmrc is no > longer t

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-13 Thread Richard
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:10:54 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Forwarded Message > From: Ralf Mardorf > To: Camaleón > Subject: Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work. > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:48:26 +0100 > > On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 10:59 +, Camaleón wrote: > > On Sat,

xfce weather plugin broken?

2011-11-13 Thread Pete Orrall
Hi All, Recently my weather plugin for xfce has stopped showing any weather information at all. Now it displays "No Data." When hovering my pointer over it, it reads "Cannot display weather data." Regardless of location or zip code used there is no weather information displayed. After complete

Re: Is GNOME 2 panel still in unstable?

2011-11-13 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:06:59 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 11:57 +, Camaleón wrote: >> I hope I can turn off all of the mutter effects (window shadows and >> moving windows), they're really annoying. > > Fallback mode :p. And when it's not available anymore, what? :-) N

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-13 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:10:54 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Everything Camaleón wrote is true, Your confirmation is reassuring... > e.g. for the default Windows just the buttons are missing, You can make them visible by using the gnome-tweak-tools package or manually editing the configuration

Re: [OT] mantis not sending e-mail

2011-11-13 Thread Joao Ferreira Gmail
:) bull's eye :) On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 13:14 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:58:43 +, Joao Ferreira Gmail wrote: > > Did you already follow the steps detailed here? They are for Gmail but > the basics should also valid for other email servers. > > Please read this if you ha

Re: Is GNOME 2 panel still in unstable?

2011-11-13 Thread Erwan David
Le Sun 13/11/2011, Ralf Mardorf said > On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 11:16 +, Camaleón wrote: > > > Hm? Around 10 o'clock in the morning I wasn't able to receive emails. > > > > It's Sunday, people is sleeping after a long journey of gnome-shell > > tweaking :-P > > It was an issue by my provider, I

gdm3

2011-11-13 Thread Sridhar M.A.
Hi, With new gdm3 entering testing, I have a problem with it. It does not honour ~/.dmrc, where I could have set my desktop of choice. Looking around found that ~/.dmrc is no longer the place to set the wm/de of choice. Frustrated, installed lightdm. It also has the same problem. Every time I

Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work.

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf To: Camaleón Subject: Re: GNOME3 Ugh! What specifically didn't work. Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:48:26 +0100 On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 10:59 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:43:27 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > (...) > > > There's

Re: Is GNOME 2 panel still in unstable?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 11:57 +, Camaleón wrote: > I hope I can turn off all of the mutter effects (window shadows and > moving windows), they're really annoying. Fallback mode :p. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troubl

Re: Is GNOME 2 panel still in unstable?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 11:16 +, Camaleón wrote: > > Hm? Around 10 o'clock in the morning I wasn't able to receive emails. > > It's Sunday, people is sleeping after a long journey of gnome-shell > tweaking :-P It was an issue by my provider, I got timeouts. Anyway, I need to do additional gnom

Re: Whats missing from Gnome3

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 10:57 +, Richard wrote: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:34:04 -0700 > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > Scott Ferguson wrote: > > > Richard wrote: > > > > Now when I was using rpm based distros, there was an app called > > > > alien which allowed .deb files to be loaded in an rpm system.

Re: Is GNOME 2 panel still in unstable?

2011-11-13 Thread Walter Hurry
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:18:13 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:54:43 +, Richard wrote: >> Sorry printscreen doesn't function until logged in. > > You can use a digital still camera or your cell phone's one :-) Or xnest -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.

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