I have a question regarding SD card, which should be used to
upgrade firmware on ebook reader. I assume there will be just
one try before bricking the device.
The card should be formatted as ext3, followed with copying
untarred files to it. At first, I did not formatted it again,
since it was brand
2010/7/30 Mark :
> Unless I'm reading the ThinkWiki wrong Tp_smapi is not compatible with my
> machines...
Then I don't know, you'll have to find out about alternatives yourself
or hope someone else points them out, if they exist (I also guess not
all hardware allows to do that).
Ch.
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I suppose it's not the most detailed account, but it's got a nice
overview and a link to the Filesystem Hierarchy standard; I was happy
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On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Christian Jaeger wrote:
> 2010/7/30 Mark :
> > Thank you Christian. Correct, Li-ion is the discussion here. So is
> there a
> > way to keep the battery in the laptop, without it charging to 100%? Both
> > machines in this case are Dell's, one Inspiron and one X
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Christian Jaeger wrote:
> 2010/7/30 Mark :
> > Thank you Christian. Correct, Li-ion is the discussion here. So is
> there a
> > way to keep the battery in the laptop, without it charging to 100%? Both
> > machines in this case are Dell's, one Inspiron and one X
2010/7/30 Mark :
> Thank you Christian. Correct, Li-ion is the discussion here. So is there a
> way to keep the battery in the laptop, without it charging to 100%? Both
> machines in this case are Dell's, one Inspiron and one XPS, both 5+ years
> old.
Yes, see the Tp_smapi link posted above (al
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Christian Jaeger wrote:
> 2010/7/30 Mark :
> > Or do you shutdown when the battery
> > reaches, say, 5%?
> >
> > I just ordered a few laptop battery replacements
>
> I guess you're talking about Lithium ion or Lithium polymer batteries
> (as all modern devices ar
On 07/30/2010 08:08 PM, Christian Jaeger wrote:
2010/7/30 Mark:
Or do you shutdown when the battery
reaches, say, 5%?
I just ordered a few laptop battery replacements
I guess you're talking about Lithium ion or Lithium polymer batteries
(as all modern devices are using either of those)? Then
2010/7/30 Mark :
> Or do you shutdown when the battery
> reaches, say, 5%?
>
> I just ordered a few laptop battery replacements
I guess you're talking about Lithium ion or Lithium polymer batteries
(as all modern devices are using either of those)? Then you do rather
*not* want to deep discharge
Debian's users:
I need create pseudo tty (pty) in debian 5.0 for use with t38modem.
In older revision I use legacy_counter but in this revision it don't work. How
I create its?
Thanks .
Sergio Jardón
Trans Ind. Elec. S.A.
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:18:33AM +, Camale�n wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:01:10 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote:
>
> > Yet, do You know a guide or something that explains the *Debian* FS
> > structure: which dir. is for what.
>
> (...)
>
> I've found this:
>
> ***
> Debian Policy Manual
> Chapt
Dne, 30. 07. 2010 18:47:15 je hugo vanwoerkom napisal(a):
But is there such a tool to trace what is being done in IW?
IW? For starters, I would check history (ctrl-h), so you can track what
sites the person has been to. In my humble experience though, it's
thermal shutdown. They played a
Hello, all:
I installed the amd54 Ubuntu deb of nautilus-dropbox. In order to do
that, I had to override a dependency problem:
dpkg --force-depends-version -i nautilus-dropbox_0.6.3_amd64.deb
(Reading database ... 230573 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace nautilus-d
Le Friday 30 July 2010 23:20:04 H.S., vous avez écrit :
> I am thinking of installing a couple of virtual machines on my Debian
> Testing amd64 system. I am trying to find out what choices in
> hypervisors do I have to accomplish that. One open source choice is Xen.
> Vmware is another choice, but
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:24:52 -0700
Subject: [Slightly OT] Laptop battery draining in Lenny
From: mamar...@gmail.com
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
I am curious how others on this list manage their laptop batteries while using
Debian. From doing some research, there doesn't appear to be man
When the date was Friday 30 of July 2010, Mark wrote:
> I am curious how others on this list manage their laptop batteries while
> using Debian. From doing some research, there doesn't appear to be many
> (if any) software solutions for draining a laptop battery completely,
> before recharging.
Hi, everyone,
I'm a user of DEBIAN 5.0. And I use adsl to connect to the Internet. I
think pppd is the key program to connect.
My ISP requires a MAC address which is different from my laptop.
So, I think, I must change the MAC address (by using command "ip link
set ethX address XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX")
Hi, everyone,
I'm a user of DEBIAN 5.0. And I use adsl to connect to the Internet. I
think pppd is the key program to connect.
My ISP requires a MAC address which is different from my laptop.
So, I think, I must change the MAC address (by using command "ip link
set ethX address XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX")
I am thinking of installing a couple of virtual machines on my Debian
Testing amd64 system. I am trying to find out what choices in
hypervisors do I have to accomplish that. One open source choice is Xen.
Vmware is another choice, but not open source.
I am sort of banking towards Xen. There
Christian Simo wrote:
> I currently virtualize with vmware,
> Please how can I run Debian for PPC on Intel or How can I emulate
Intel to
> support PPC OS
and then,
I got two Unix OS: Debian for PPC and AIX IBM for PPC.
My computer CPU is a Intel with Host OS Windows XP.
So, I don't know ho
Thanks for every ones help. I resolved all issues with errors from my
firewall. Here is a summary
1) My DSL modem/router periodically pings my machine. If I accept then
it queries more about www server, samba server etc. I do not like these
requests as I do not know what the modem does with th
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
wrote:
> On Sex, 30 Jul 2010, giovanni_re wrote:
>>
>> Do you have any idea where the keyboard parameter is set(s) from the
>> debian alternate installer? In which files?
>
> Debian does not have an "alternate" installer. If you are thinking
hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
Hi,
I compiled Lenny's backport linux-source-2.6.32 2.6.32-15~bpo50+1 but it
does not boot: it says 'Loading files...' and sits there.
So I want to debug the initrd. The man page of initramfs-tools says:
debug generates lots of output. It writes a log to /tmp/initramfs
I am curious how others on this list manage their laptop batteries while
using Debian. From doing some research, there doesn't appear to be many (if
any) software solutions for draining a laptop battery completely, before
recharging. So what do people on this list do - just keep running Debian on
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:03:55AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
> The interesting question is what "flavor" of PowerPC? There are
> NewWorld Macs, OldWorld Macs, and a few flavors of IBM and embedded
> powerPC, each with their own boot firmware interface.
>
> I've never used qemu, but I'm told it pr
Hi,
I compiled Lenny's backport linux-source-2.6.32 2.6.32-15~bpo50+1 but it
does not boot: it says 'Loading files...' and sits there.
So I want to debug the initrd. The man page of initramfs-tools says:
debug generates lots of output. It writes a log to /tmp/initramfs.debug.
Instead when i
On Fri July 30 2010 09:47:15 hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> Mike Bird wrote:
> > On Fri July 30 2010 09:13:08 hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> >> This person knows nothing of commands or VT's so it was just internet
> >> browsing activity. I would sure like to know what happened.
> >
> > How do you know that thi
Mike Bird wrote:
On Fri July 30 2010 09:13:08 hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
This person knows nothing of commands or VT's so it was just internet
browsing activity. I would sure like to know what happened.
How do you know that this person hasn't captured your
passwords and/or keys, possibly by tempor
On Fri July 30 2010 09:13:08 hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> This person knows nothing of commands or VT's so it was just internet
> browsing activity. I would sure like to know what happened.
How do you know that this person hasn't captured your
passwords and/or keys, possibly by temporarily rebooting
o
On Sex, 30 Jul 2010, giovanni_re wrote:
Do you have any idea where the keyboard parameter is set(s) from the
debian alternate installer? In which files?
Debian does not have an "alternate" installer. If you are thinking
Ubuntu, you may need to ask on the Ubuntu lists/forum.
As for Debian i
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:00:39 -0300, "Eduardo M KALINOWSKI"
said:
> On Qui, 29 Jul 2010, giovanni_re wrote:
> > I can't recall now the options for "select the kbd style", but one i
> > recall was like "US-Intl" (I don't recall if that was what i chose or
> > not). Maybe there was also a simple "US
Arthur Machlas put forth on 7/30/2010 9:04 AM:
>> BTW, I'm curious as to your motivations for this. Is this basically a
>> "Windows can do 800MHz, so $deity dammit, Linux should be able to do it as
>> well!" thing?
>
> Not as such. More like a my processor is supposed to scale from 800Mhz
> to 1
AG wrote:
Hi all
I'm facing a bit of a delicate issue: I have created an account on my
machine for someone staying with us, and I have strong suspicions that
he is engaging in on-line behaviour that he is not supposed to be doing.
Can anyone recommend a tool thatb I can install, that can mon
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 09:51:59PM -0500, Chris wrote:
> Greetings folks,
>
> I downloaded the above DVD (i386) and installed it to my HP / Compaq
> nx6325 laptop.
[ ... snipped]
> This was an outstanding install without any issues. If this is shades
> of what 6.0 will be like, I can't wait.
>
Christian Simo writes:
> Thank you for your response!
>
> I got two Unix OS: Debian for PPC and AIX IBM for PPC.
>
> My computer CPU is a Intel with Host OS Windows XP.
Since you're running Windows XP, try Qemu Manager:
http://www.davereyn.co.uk/download.htm
It's easy to install and includes a
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 16:01 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote:
> Having separated programs from data w/ diver partitions, I have put the
> following
>
> /home
> /pub
> /var
/pub -- this is not part of the FHS and you might want to search for a
better place. What kind of data do you have here?
Judging fr
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Christian Jaeger wrote:
> How do you read the possible cpu frequencies?
>
> Your kernel needs cpufreq support and ondemand, powersave, etc.
> governors; check with
> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
> cat /sys/devices/system/cp
Thank you for your response!
I got two Unix OS: Debian for PPC and AIX IBM for PPC.
My computer CPU is a Intel with Host OS Windows XP.
So, I don't know how to emulate this CPU to run these OS.
I'm new on PPC precesssor.
Thank you in advance!
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:24 AM, Dirk Neumann wro
On Jul 30, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Christian Simo wrote:
Dear Team!
I currently virtualize with vmware,
Please how can I run Debian for PPC on Intel or How can I emulate
Intel to support PPC OS
Thanks in advance
The interesting question is what "flavor" of PowerPC? There are
NewWorld Macs
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Arthur Machlas put forth on 7/29/2010 12:01 PM:
>
>> Things are running nicely, but the problem I hoped
>> to resolve hasn't been. Namely, the lowest frequency my cpu can reach
>> is 1Ghz... instead of the 800Mhz that it reaches on windows a
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:12:03 +0200, Hermann Lauer wrote:
> Dear debian users,
>
> "reportbug nscd" did not find any bugs on nscd:
>
> Getting status for nscd...
> Checking for newer versions at packages.debian.org... Will send report
> to Debian (per lsb_release). Querying Debian BTS for reports
On Qui, 29 Jul 2010, giovanni_re wrote:
I can't recall now the options for "select the kbd style", but one i
recall was like "US-Intl" (I don't recall if that was what i chose or
not). Maybe there was also a simple "US", but I don't think so.
US-Intl is a keyboard that has the standard US layo
Robert Holtzman schreef:
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:15:22AM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
Robert Holtzman schreef:
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 06:03:37PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote:
On 7/28/10 4:40 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to put /home, at least,
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:56:32 -0700
Christian Simo wrote:
> Dear Team!
>
> I currently virtualize with vmware,
> Please how can I run Debian for PPC on Intel or How can I emulate Intel to
> support PPC OS
A first thought:
qemu (contains qemu-system-ppc).
Dirk.
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Karl Vogel wrote:
> for file in $(ls $MAGDIR/*.[Zz][Ii][Pp] 2> /dev/null); do ...
mkdir $MAGDIR/silly.zip
touch $MAGDIR/silly.zip/not-a-zip-file
If you're going to insist on using "ls" you should consider "ls -d".
Personally, I'd still go for this construct:
for FILE in "$MAGDIR"/*.[
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:43 AM, Gauthier Vandemoortele
wrote:
>
> STOP ALL= NOPASSWD: SLEEP, HALT, REBOOT
The one thing that jumps at me is that you don't have a "run as" user set
STOP ALL= (root) NOPASSWD: SLEEP, HALT, REBOOT
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:01:10 +0700, Sthu Deus wrote:
> Yet, do You know a guide or something that explains the *Debian* FS
> structure: which dir. is for what.
(...)
I've found this:
***
Debian Policy Manual
Chapter 9 - The Operating System
9.1 File system hierarchy
9.1.1 File System Structure
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:02:04 +, Camaleón wrote:
> Well, HPLIP usually provide more options than the old HPIJS, but indeed,
> losing feataures (even they do not work) should be avoided :-)
I was wondering the same - why the hpcups interface is so bare compared
to the old hpijs printer driver.
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:42:52 +, Harishankar wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:35:29 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
>> If you leave it and don't insist, they won't do anything :-(
>>
>
> I have to create a launchpad account to report the bug? Nevertheless I
> suppose I might have to add my voice.
I
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:43:04PM +0200, Gauthier Vandemoortele wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I wish to halt|shutdown| sleep my machine as an unprivilegied user on
> the command-line or via the menu of a light window-manager.
>
> Here's my /etc/sudoers
>
> Defaultsenv_reset
>
> # Use
Dear Team!
I currently virtualize with vmware,
Please how can I run Debian for PPC on Intel or How can I emulate Intel to
support PPC OS
Thanks in advance
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:35:29 +, Camaleón wrote:
> If you leave it and don't insist, they won't do anything :-(
>
> Greetings,
>
> --
> Camaleón
I have to create a launchpad account to report the bug? Nevertheless I
suppose I might have to add my voice.
Problem is it appears hpijs has been
Hello,
I wish to halt|shutdown| sleep my machine as an unprivilegied user on
the command-line or via the menu of a light window-manager.
Here's my /etc/sudoers
Defaultsenv_reset
# User alias specification
User_Alias STOP = gv
# Cmnd alias specification
C
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:17:23 +, Harishankar wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:06:49 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
>> Then, care to fill a bug at HPLIP site?
>>
>> If the option is there (you said *it was not*) it should work. If not,
>> you can report it.
(...)
>
> The bug was filed - I think I m
Dne, 30. 07. 2010 11:20:47 je Lisi napisal(a):
And I do the research myself - it is no good asking salesmen. "yer
what?" is
the commonest response.
You may consider yourself lucky. Here in Slovenia, "try check the
personal care department!" is their commonest response. Linex happens
t
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:20:47 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Friday 30 July 2010 10:09:14 Harishankar wrote:
>> I appreciate HP products, but I feel these issues are not particularly
>> on the top of your mind while shopping for a printer.
>
> Perhaps they should be! They are certainly at the top of my
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:06:49 +, Camaleón wrote:
> Then, care to fill a bug at HPLIP site?
>
> If the option is there (you said *it was not*) it should work. If not,
> you can report it.
>
> Choose a PDF file of your choice (with high levels of black) and print
> out a sample page from window
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:06:48 +, Harishankar wrote:
>> Ask them for that. They will tell you whether tecnically possible or
>> just a market strategy.
>
> Actually the HPIJS driver for this device has the setting:
>
> Resolution, Quality, Ink Type, Media Type: 300dpi color black + color
> car
On Friday 30 July 2010 10:09:14 Harishankar wrote:
> I appreciate HP products, but I feel these issues are not particularly on
> the top of your mind while shopping for a printer.
Perhaps they should be! They are certainly at the top of my mind when I buy
_any_ hardware that I intend to use with
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:02:30 +0200, Klistvud wrote:
> Not to worry. Cheap printers are designed to die fast, so in a year or
> two you'll be shopping for a new printer anyway. When you do, be sure to
> check the hplip compatibility page *first*, and only buy a printer that
> has *full* hplip suppo
> Ask them for that. They will tell you whether tecnically possible or
> just a market strategy.
Actually the HPIJS driver for this device has the setting:
Resolution, Quality, Ink Type, Media Type: 300dpi color black + color
cartridge
But it is obviously ignored.
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Thank You for Your time and answer, Sjoerd:
> The only exception of course is a
> separate /boot to avoid boot problems.
May You'll be laughing but this did now work for me. - I had the boot
problems.
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Good day.
Yet, do You know a guide or something that explains the *Debian* FS
structure: which dir. is for what.
Having separated programs from data w/ diver partitions, I have put the
following
/home
/pub
/var
on a single partition. All is working well, except I want to be as
close to Debian
Thank You for Your time and answer, Robert:
> What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to put /home, at
> least, on a separate partition.
I've heard about diver strategies on FS dividing but like some kind
of optimization that is in FS view is this: the free space is
dynamically shared for
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:38:08 +, Harishankar wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:33:00 +, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>> Then keep it, that's up to you. You asked for a feature that was not
>> available for your device and I tried to help you to diagnose a
>> configuration problem (that lastly it t
Dne, 30. 07. 2010 10:06:18 je Harishankar napisal(a):
Wow... I just checked the difference between Linux and Windows
printing
using my printer. The speed difference is also amazing. In Windows the
printer responds so quickly and also prints the page fast. The black
and
greyscale parts of t
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:29:44 +, Harishankar wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:22:55 +, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>>> So your answer is basically "go buy a more expensive printer I don't
>>> need just to fix this problem."
>>
>> No, but "keep you informed *before* buying".
>
> Where was this
On Friday 30 July 2010 09:29:44 Harishankar wrote:
> >> So your answer is basically "go buy a more expensive printer I don't
> >> need just to fix this problem."
> >
> > No, but "keep you informed *before* buying".
>
> Where was this information available then?
http://www.google.co.uk/linux?num=30
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:33:00 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:22:14 +, Harishankar wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:17:58 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>>> Next time, read the reviews or ask in the forums *before buying* a
>>> printer. Today is a *must* to be informed
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:22:14 +, Harishankar wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:17:58 +, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>> Next time, read the reviews or ask in the forums *before buying* a
>> printer. Today is a *must* to be informed on the linux support for any
>> piece of hardware, mostly for scan
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:22:55 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:13:16 +, Harishankar wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:02:41 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>>> As I said you before, our HP laserjet colour printer (PostScript
>>> based) do have that option you are looking f
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:13:16 +, Harishankar wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:02:41 +, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>> As I said you before, our HP laserjet colour printer (PostScript based)
>> do have that option you are looking for. I'd say those enhanced
>> features come with the hardware you
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:17:58 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:09:05 +, Harishankar wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:02:41 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
>>> I would say that is not a driver's fault but a printer design
>>> "feature". Take it as it is. Cheap devices are marketed mo
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:09:05 +, Harishankar wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:02:41 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> I would say that is not a driver's fault but a printer design
>> "feature". Take it as it is. Cheap devices are marketed mostly for
>> Windows platform (i.e., win-modems that need a win
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:02:41 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:12:36 +, Harishankar wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +, Harishankar wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
> (...)
>
Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one devic
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:02:41 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:12:36 +, Harishankar wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +, Harishankar wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
> (...)
>
Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one devic
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:12:36 +, Harishankar wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +, Harishankar wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +, Camaleón wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:08:03 +, Harishankar wrote:
>>>
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:02 +, Camaleón wrote:
>>>
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:12:36 +, Harishankar wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +, Harishankar wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>>> Yours seems to be an entry-level all-in-one device, and it's possible
>>> that the linux printer driver cannot handl
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:07:15 +, Harishankar wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:08:03 +, Harishankar wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:02 +, Camaleón wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
And those options are not available for your p
On Fri, July 30, 2010 07:35, R. Ramesh wrote:
> My bad, I googled icmp_type 8. It seems harmless and required to be
> implemented. So I am going to accept.
> After filtering out this one, I notice another one coming from my own
> firewall and need to figure out who is sending it.
>
> [2731831.9674
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:44:40 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:08:03 +, Harishankar wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:15:02 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>>> And those options are not available for your printer, neither using
>>> the old PPD nor the lastest :-(
>>>
>>>
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