Re: securing desktop

2007-05-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/07 18:47, Mark Grieveson wrote: > Hello. I set up a donated computer for homeless adults who live in a > warehouse, and I would like to secure the desktop. The computer is > using Etch, with Gnome. > > The issue is that one of the residen

Re: securing desktop

2007-05-19 Thread Wei Chen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Grieveson wrote: >> I guess it depends on what they use the computer for. If it is only >> for browsing the web and using webmail, then you might want to >> consider looking at kiosktool (for KDE) or pessulus (for GNOME). >> I've not used either

Re: securing desktop

2007-05-19 Thread Mark Grieveson
> I guess it depends on what they use the computer for. If it is only > for browsing the web and using webmail, then you might want to > consider looking at kiosktool (for KDE) or pessulus (for GNOME). > I've not used either personally, but I have seen machines running KDE > in kiosk mode and the

Re: vesa display codes (Etch Xorg memory leak?)

2007-05-19 Thread cga2000
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 07:33:51PM EDT, Owen Heisler wrote: > On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 19:10 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 00:10 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 18:34 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 16:02 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Mumia W..
On 05/19/2007 10:16 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: [...] OK. Let's recap: - Amy asked: "If somebody's current provider provides only POP, should they be forced to switch to another provider just for the privilege of being on this list?" - I pointed out that [...] Amy asked a rhetorical

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Amy Templeton
Hi all, I really, honestly think this thread has gone on quite long enough--it has degenerated into an argument over whether or not OT posters have taken the hint, and I really don't see that getting anywhere. So, to summarize what I think has been said so far: 1) Offtopic posts are out of contro

Re: vesa display codes (Etch Xorg memory leak?)

2007-05-19 Thread cga2000
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 07:33:51PM EDT, Owen Heisler wrote: > On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 19:10 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 00:10 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 18:34 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 16:02 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:

Re: A few questions

2007-05-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/07 23:02, Kelly Harding wrote: >> >> > If the DL380G2 has an open PCI slot, then you could buy a Firewire >> > > card. But I'd bet that the DL380 requires cards with a >> > proprietary >> > > form factory that only Compaq/HP sells

Re: Can't find cable Internet Connection

2007-05-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/07 22:28, Edward C. Jones wrote: > Andrei Popescu said: > < please post the output of runing 'dhclient' as root. > > I got the following (replacing the IP numbers with x): > > Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5 > Copyright 1995,

Re: xterm fonts

2007-05-19 Thread Deboo ^
On 5/19/07, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Go read /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm. Here's some of the stuff in my .Xresources which over-ride the system defn's: XTerm*geometry:90x43 XTerm*SaveLines: 2000 XTerm*VT100*background:black XTerm*V

Re: man beeps more than woman

2007-05-19 Thread Deboo ^
On 5/20/07, Deboo ^ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BTW, I found tried to use woman in emacs and found that emacs does tab completion for man pages too and also shows possible list of completions. Not just that but all in pretty color.! Regards, Deboo -- Please don't Cc: me, I'm subscribed to the l

Re: man beeps more than woman

2007-05-19 Thread Deboo ^
On 5/19/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I create the file: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-host In that files I place a line: blacklist pcspkr You can reboot knowing that this module won't be loaded next reboot. This method was far easier to use than manning for the lesskey and typing

Re: A few questions

2007-05-19 Thread Kelly Harding
> If the DL380G2 has an open PCI slot, then you could buy a Firewire > > card. But I'd bet that the DL380 requires cards with a > proprietary > > form factory that only Compaq/HP sells. > > > > > > It has 3 open PCI 64bit PCI slots. Before buying a Firewire card I > want > > PCI or

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:38:27 -0500, Gnu Raiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I think it a little strange that people are calling on the list > masters to monitor a list that is declared as non moderated, and has a > Usenet component. Just how exactly are you going to stop people from > posting from U

Re: A few questions

2007-05-19 Thread Kelly Harding
> > > > Second question is regarding adding USB2.0 /Firewire to the > machine to > > enable use of USB2.0/Firewire external drives, which would allow me to > > move drives easily between machines. Does anyone have any > recommendation > > for combined USB2.0/firewir

Re: Can't find cable Internet Connection

2007-05-19 Thread Edward C. Jones
Andrei Popescu said: < please post the output of runing 'dhclient' as root. I got the following (replacing the IP numbers with x): Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5 Copyright 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 The Internet Software Consortium. All rights reserved. Please contribute if y

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/07 22:16, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: [snip] > I'm sorry if you feel I have been, as I most clearly have not been. Roberto, There comes a time when you've got to throw in the towel even if you believe that you've done nothing wrong. This is o

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:50:31PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Saturday 19 May 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:17:16PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > > > > > Did it ever occur to you that there is a reason for "bash Roberto > > > festivities"? Perhaps your behavior

Found: excellent procmail HOWTO

2007-05-19 Thread Owen Heisler
Just a tip: I've been wanting to set up procmail for a while (with a .forward file), but wasn't able to find a good HOWTO. This time I found one: http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/ There is a LOT of information there (and on one page), but it is easy enough to follow. signature.asc

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Saturday 19 May 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:17:16PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > On Saturday 19 May 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 09:40:08PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > > > Then you missed the overall point, the human point, of

Re: man beeps more than woman

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:36:55PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote: > Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > Why is it that the alias won't be picked up by man? > > Because man seems to be calling pager directly, which is a link to less. > There is no shell in between to do alias expansion, and if there we

Re: man beeps more than woman

2007-05-19 Thread Felipe Sateler
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > Why is it that the alias won't be picked up by man? Because man seems to be calling pager directly, which is a link to less. There is no shell in between to do alias expansion, and if there were one, it would not match the alias to expand. -- Felipe Sateler --

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:17:16PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Saturday 19 May 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 09:40:08PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > > > > > Then you missed the overall point, the human point, of the matter. > > > IMAP may be better, but for many p

Re: xterm fonts

2007-05-19 Thread cga2000
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 01:05:21PM EDT, s. keeling wrote: [..] > I've had the misfortune of having to herd (as in "clean up after") > nuclear physicists who didn't know what a directory was: as in "herding cats" .. I assume. >Me: "Dennis just reported that he's broken his codebase again and

Re: Question about Mutt

2007-05-19 Thread Ken Irving
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 09:05:42PM -0500, cothrige wrote: > > In the index screen if I mark a message to be deleted it will cease to > be accessible in any way, and if I scroll to it the cursor will skip > it and move to the next message which is not selected for deletion. I < ... > > So, what I

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Saturday 19 May 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 09:40:08PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > On Saturday 19 May 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 11:43:08PM +, Tyler Smith wrote: > > > > On 2007-05-19, Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Ben Finney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrei Popescu) writes: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 12:26:59AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > > If you want to be off topic yet marginally related to Debian, use > > -curiosa. If it has nothing to do with Debian at all, pick from > > the multitude of fora where it would be on t

Re: Question about Mutt

2007-05-19 Thread Rick Pasotto
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 09:05:42PM -0500, cothrige wrote: > > There has always been a thing about Mutt which has bugged me, and > lately it has nagged at me even more than usual. Perhaps somebody > on this list will know of a way to change this. > > In the index screen if I mark a message to be

Re: Can't find cable internet connection

2007-05-19 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 01:39:25AM -0400, Edward C. Jones wrote: > > What do you have in /etc/networking/interfaces ? > > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > mapping eth0 >script grep >map eth0 > allow-hotplug eth0 > iface eth0 inet dhcp Although this does not appear to be your problem, i

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 17:59 -0800, Ken Irving wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 02:19:17PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > > Come, lets here a solution, I've discussed some solutions, how about > > you? > > If folks were reasonable about it, they'd simply "take it off list" > on their own, as is

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread CaT
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 06:05:10PM -0500, Gnu_Raiz wrote: > I personally think that everyone has a right to post, and who am I to tell > someone else not to exercise their right to freedom of speech. I You know... we should just merge every mailing list on the net into one list and see just how

Question about Mutt

2007-05-19 Thread cothrige
There has always been a thing about Mutt which has bugged me, and lately it has nagged at me even more than usual. Perhaps somebody on this list will know of a way to change this. In the index screen if I mark a message to be deleted it will cease to be accessible in any way, and if I scroll to

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Ken Irving
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 02:19:17PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 09:17 -0700, Mike Bird wrote: > > On Saturday 19 May 2007 08:02, M. Fioretti wrote: > > > This is why I'm posting also this reply to the moderators. I really > > > hope they put a stop to this, this time. > > > >

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Saturday 19 May 2007, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 03:12:51PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > We had a problem on the Libranet list where a number of us got into > > some serious and deep discussions about religion and politics. Not > > one person was being disrespectful or

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 09:40:08PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Saturday 19 May 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 11:43:08PM +, Tyler Smith wrote: > > > On 2007-05-19, Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 05:51:51PM -0400, Amy

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread John Fleming
- Original Message - From: "M. Fioretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user On Sat, May 19, 2007 17:55:34 PM -0400, Miles Fidelman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >Please avoid this kind

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread CaT
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 03:12:51PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Saturday 19 May 2007, Joey Hess wrote: > > There exists a gentoo-user mailing list. If a post to debian-user > > would be exactly as on-topic if posted to gentoo-user, then it is > > offtopic on *both* lists, and belongs on neither.

Re: A few questions

2007-05-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/07 20:04, Kelly Harding wrote: > > > On 20/05/07, *Ron Johnson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > On 05/19/07 19:39, Kelly Harding wrote: > > > > > Anyway, I used to have my old HP LaserJet 6L on my

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Saturday 19 May 2007, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 11:43:08PM +, Tyler Smith wrote: > > On 2007-05-19, Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 05:51:51PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote: > > >>=20 > > >> If somebody's current provider pro

Re: man beeps more than woman

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 12:40:41AM +, s. keeling wrote: > > > > What I don't understand is how if /usr/bin/pager is a symlink to > > /usr/bin/less, then how will the alias not be used? > > The way to control less is with the LESS env. variable. I set it to > "-ceigqj5MX". > That's awesome

Re: A few questions

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 07:56:40PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > If the DL380G2 has an open PCI slot, then you could buy a Firewire > card. But I'd bet that the DL380 requires cards with a proprietary > form factory that only Compaq/HP sells. > Actually, we have a bunch of DL380G2 machines at wo

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 12:34:29AM +, s. keeling wrote: > Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:15:01PM +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: > > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 14:34:50 PM -0400, Greg Folkert > > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > > > That changes many t

Re: Kernel 2.6.18-4 and acpi

2007-05-19 Thread Kelly Harding
On 20/05/07, John Marks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everyone, I made the mistake of doing a dist-upgrade today. Kernel 2.6.18-4-k7 was "upgraded". Now the system load is unusally high and things run slow. Does anyone have any advice? You could roll back to the previous kernel and mar

Re: A few questions

2007-05-19 Thread Kelly Harding
On 20/05/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 05/19/07 19:39, Kelly Harding wrote: > > Anyway, I used to have my old HP LaserJet 6L on my Beige G3 PowerMac > running OS X 10.2. Worked fine till I retired the machine due to being > too old, the machine that replaced it (733Mhz G4 Quick

Kernel 2.6.18-4 and acpi

2007-05-19 Thread John Marks
Hello everyone, I made the mistake of doing a dist-upgrade today. Kernel 2.6.18-4-k7 was "upgraded". Now the system load is unusally high and things run slow. Another thing that happened was I began to get an error message from acpi stating "unable to turn cooling device on." That can be cur

Re: A few questions

2007-05-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/07 19:39, Kelly Harding wrote: > Hi, > > Having now got Debian 'etch' installed and working nicely on my compaq > DL380G2 (4*36Gb using RAID5 on the intergrated SmartArray 5i works > flawlessly and fast), I now am thinking about some of the t

Re: man beeps more than woman

2007-05-19 Thread s. keeling
Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 02:29:48PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > Deboo ^ wrote: > > > I already made an alias to less to use less -q. That works if I use > > > less manually but just not in man. > > > > > > I'll try what Greg said above. > > > > If you se

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread s. keeling
Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:15:01PM +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 14:34:50 PM -0400, Greg Folkert > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > That changes many thing. First off BANNING is not the answer. It > > > will be seen a a "bad

A few questions

2007-05-19 Thread Kelly Harding
Hi, Having now got Debian 'etch' installed and working nicely on my compaq DL380G2 (4*36Gb using RAID5 on the intergrated SmartArray 5i works flawlessly and fast), I now am thinking about some of the tasks I need this machine to ideally perform. One of them is as a print server. Unfortuately the

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 11:43:08PM +, Tyler Smith wrote: > On 2007-05-19, Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 05:51:51PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote: > >>=20 > >> If somebody's current provider provides only > >> POP, should they be forced to switch to a

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Mike Bird
On Saturday 19 May 2007 16:05, Gnu_Raiz wrote: > I think it's a valid solution just because it does not fit into your > solution doesn't mean it's not a valid solution. Like I mentioned before > censorship is not the answer, why not just killfile the people you > dislike, and go on about your duti

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Tyler Smith
On 2007-05-19, Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 05:51:51PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote: >>=20 >> If somebody's current provider provides only >> POP, should they be forced to switch to another provider just for >> the privilege of being on this list? >>=20 >

Re: vesa display codes (Etch Xorg memory leak?)

2007-05-19 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 18:33 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: > video=<>:xres:<>,yres:<>,depth:<>,left:<>,right:<>,hslen:<>,upper:<>,lower:<>,vslen:<> > > It looks like I need something like this: > Modeline "1280x1024" DCF HR SH1 SH2 HFL VR SV1 SV2 VFL > > Is there some way to get that from xorg? > >

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread s. keeling
M. Fioretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Personally, I had already decided that, from now on, any off topic > rambling by the people we have already mentioned will cause an > immediate reply, both on the list and to the moderators, requesting, > with links to this thread, that they are banned from

Re: securing desktop

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 07:47:36PM -0400, Mark Grieveson wrote: > Hello. I set up a donated computer for homeless adults who live in a > warehouse, and I would like to secure the desktop. The computer is > using Etch, with Gnome. > > The issue is that one of the residents will create hundreds

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On 5/19/07, Amy Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 05:19:31PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > M. Fioretti wrote: > > >No, sorry, the problem is a concrete, objective one: > > > > > >* everybody with any metered connection

securing desktop

2007-05-19 Thread Mark Grieveson
Hello. I set up a donated computer for homeless adults who live in a warehouse, and I would like to secure the desktop. The computer is using Etch, with Gnome. The issue is that one of the residents will create hundreds of new "untitled folders" on the desktop. Further, she'll mess around wit

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread s. keeling
Mike Bird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Saturday 19 May 2007 08:02, M. Fioretti wrote: > > > > This is why I'm posting also this reply to the moderators. I really > > hope they put a stop to this, this time. > > Excellent reasoning and presentation Marco. I hope the listmasters > will finally fix

Re: vesa display codes (Etch Xorg memory leak?)

2007-05-19 Thread Owen Heisler
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 19:10 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 00:10 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 18:34 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: > > > On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 16:02 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > > http://www.gregfolkert.net/info/vesa-display-codes.html > >

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 07:24:26PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 18:06 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 05/19/07 10:24, mailing.lists wrote: > > [snip] > > > Not all pre-built computers are that bad. I have used Dell PCs in many > > > cases and have never had any trouble. I jus

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Gnu_Raiz
>"M. Fioretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Please avoid this kind of technical suggestions in this thread: >* it is still the same unacceptable "since you can buy ear plugs, I > can yell whenever I want" attitude. See my previous messages I think it's a valid solution just because it does not fi

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-19 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 18:06 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/19/07 10:24, mailing.lists wrote: > [snip] > > Not all pre-built computers are that bad. I have used Dell PCs in many > > cases and have never had any trouble. I just checked a few sites that i > > What are the fan noises like on Dell P

Re: vesa display codes (Etch Xorg memory leak?)

2007-05-19 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 17:09 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: > On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 00:10 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 18:34 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: > > > On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 16:02 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > > http://www.gregfolkert.net/info/vesa-display-codes.html > >

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [snip] > I only make a computer every 10 years or so. I went a little > bleeding-edge at the time, and got a huge CM-Stacker case with all the > extra fans, 600W PSU, two drives for raid1 and Athlon64 CPU.

Re: [OT] Re: .profile, .Xmodmap, xorg.conf have no effect

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 11:27:33PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > For everything related to bash (the normal shell/command line > environment) I put my customizations into ~/.bash_aliases. That file is > sourced by ~/.bashrc (if it exists) and .bashrc is sourced by > ~/.bash_profile in the defau

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/07 10:24, mailing.lists wrote: [snip] > Not all pre-built computers are that bad. I have used Dell PCs in many > cases and have never had any trouble. I just checked a few sites that i What are the fan noises like on Dell PCs? Their low cost

Re: Unknown symbol devres_alloc

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 03:41:03PM -0500, Dallas Clement wrote: > I'm trying to load a module libata.ko and I'm getting an error message: > > libata: Unknown symbol devres_alloc > > I can see that this symbol is found in the file /lib/devres.o within my > linux 2.6.21.1 distribution. > > Howeve

Re: [OT] Re: Control Center Problems in KDE 3.5.5

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 12:41:25AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > Another things to try is to reinstall the above packages (except for > gamin, of course). A more drastic variant of that would be to shut down > KDE and X, do a "dpkg --purge" on the packages and then to reinstall > them again. (Y

[OT] Re: Control Center Problems in KDE 3.5.5

2007-05-19 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 17:08:03 +, David Dawson wrote: > Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > aptitude -F '%c %p%?v' search '~R(~Rkcontrol)~dkde|kcontrol' | awk '{print > > $1,$2,$3}' > > Thanks, > Here's the output: > p gamin > i kcontrol 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6 > i kdebase-data 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6 > i kde

Re: Problems loading modules from init

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 12:45:55PM -0500, Dallas Clement wrote: > I'm trying to load modules from an init script that is executing in a > cross-compiled 2.6.21 kernel. When I try to load a module with the > 'modprobe' command - I'm getting a very simple error which is not of > much use: > > modpr

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Gnu_Raiz
I think it a little strange that people are calling on the list masters to monitor a list that is declared as non moderated, and has a Usenet component. Just how exactly are you going to stop people from posting from Usenet? Some people have listed various names, and addresses for inclusion in

Re: man beeps more than woman

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 02:29:48PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Deboo ^ wrote: > > I already made an alias to less to use less -q. That works if I use > > less manually but just not in man. > > > > I'll try what Greg said above. > > If you set PAGER='less -q' that will work. > Why is it that the a

Re: [OT] The record industry, RIAA and US law

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 12:53:25PM -0700, Michael M. wrote: > On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 20:21 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 04:25:26PM -0700, Michael M. wrote: > > > Before everybody goes jumping off the deep end, I would like to point out that Michael is responding to

Re: Clamav-deamon Bug

2007-05-19 Thread Mike Bird
On Saturday 19 May 2007 14:08, Klein Moebius wrote: > * Dave Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-19 15:35:55 -0500]: > > Not really. The only way I could get it to start at boot was to > > configure using dpkg-reconfigure clamav-base and set it to run as root. > > > > Ugly, Ugly... > > Ouch! N

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 03:12:51PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > We had a problem on the Libranet list where a number of us got into some > serious and deep discussions about religion and politics. Not one > person was being disrespectful or calling names, but there were a few > people that ne

Re: (OT) Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 10:15:01PM +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 14:34:50 PM -0400, Greg Folkert > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > That changes many thing. First off BANNING is not the answer. It > > will be seen a a "bad thing" by the blogosphere and some journalists > > that

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
Joey Hess wrote: > >I'm writing the listmasters because reading debian-user has become >nearly unbearable for me (one of the sadly few DDs who bothers to read >our user lists) due to volume and offensiveness/repetativeness of >offtopic posts there. I've in the past threatened to leave -user >entire

Re: Moving Software RAID5 from Gentoo

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 04:53:55PM +0100, Geoffrey Sneddon wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not subscribed, so can any responses be CC'd directly to me? But, > down to the point: I have a Gentoo 'box running their modified 2.6.17 > kernel, which has /home as a software RAID5. If I'm to move over to > Et

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, May 19, 2007 17:55:34 PM -0400, Miles Fidelman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >Please avoid this kind of technical suggestions in this thread: > > > >* it is still the same unacceptable "since you can buy ear plugs, I > > can yell whenever I want" attitude. See my previous messages > > >

Re: links2 error from console

2007-05-19 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 11:55:39AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > When I try to start links2 -g from the console I get this error: > > $ links2 -g > >-- DirectFB v0.9.25 - > (c) 2000-2002 convergence integrated media GmbH >

Re: OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Klein Moebius
* Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-19 17:55:34 -0400]: > Enough already, or does somebody have to mention Nazis? Nazis. There, I did it... Regards, Klein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

efficient retrieval of POP mail [WAS: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user]

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 05:51:51PM -0400, Amy Templeton wrote: > > If somebody's current provider provides only > POP, should they be forced to switch to another provider just for > the privilege of being on this list? > IMAP is better by many measures. However, if you do not require access to

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 11:42:11PM +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: > > * you just gave Roberto a hook to rerun his trite and disgusting talks > about "if you had as much competence and spare time as me, **you** > could waste it in so many ways to not see **my** behavioral problems" > Don't feed th

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 05:02:01PM +0200, M. Fioretti wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 10:28:19 AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > I guess the question is where to draw and then who draws that line. > > Roberto, > > please don't try to go all philosophical on us acting

Re: can you recommend any open source presentation tool?

2007-05-19 Thread Jhair Tocancipa Triana
Serena Cantor writes: > Which software is Linux's equivalence of M$'s PowerPoint? I would recommend foiltex + pdflatex. -- --Jhair -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: vesa display codes (Etch Xorg memory leak?)

2007-05-19 Thread Owen Heisler
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 00:10 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 18:34 -0500, Owen Heisler wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 16:02 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > http://www.gregfolkert.net/info/vesa-display-codes.html > > > > Very helpful! Although no 1280x960 (grr) unfortunately.

OT: Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2007 17:19:31 PM -0400, Miles Fidelman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: M. Fioretti wrote: No, sorry, the problem is a concrete, objective one: * everybody with any metered connection _pays_ real money every time these characters rerun their show

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, May 19, 2007 17:33:41 PM -0400, Hal Vaughan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Saturday 19 May 2007, M. Fioretti wrote: > > * everybody with any metered connection _pays_ real money every > > time these characters rerun their show > > How do I pay real money? It doesn't cost me extra on my

[OT] Re: .profile, .Xmodmap, xorg.conf have no effect

2007-05-19 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 09:00:06 +0200, Matthias Brennwald wrote: >> On Fri, 18 May 2007 22:35:42 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: >>> On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 22:00:32 +0200, Matthias Brennwald wrote: >>> Dear all >>> >>> After my success with Debian Etch on a PowerBook-G4 I tried installing >>> Debia

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Amy Templeton
Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 05:19:31PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > M. Fioretti wrote: > > >No, sorry, the problem is a concrete, objective one: > > > > > >* everybody with any metered connection _pays_ real money > > >every time these characters reru

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sat, May 19, 2007 17:19:31 PM -0400, Miles Fidelman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > M. Fioretti wrote: > >No, sorry, the problem is a concrete, objective one: > > > >* everybody with any metered connection _pays_ real money every time > > these characters rerun their show > > > It's called IMAP

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Saturday 19 May 2007, M. Fioretti wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 15:12:51 PM -0400, Hal Vaughan > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Not true. For example, I'm having trouble with Firefox > >crashing Asking here could help a great deal with that. > > Of course. But rambling for months about re

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 05:19:31PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > M. Fioretti wrote: > >No, sorry, the problem is a concrete, objective one: > > > >* everybody with any metered connection _pays_ real money every time > > these characters rerun their show > > > > > It's called IMAP - the bandwidt

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 02:53:49PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > See: Posting about religion is identically off-topic on gentoo-user as > it is here, and thus belongs in neither place. Posting about buying a > new motherboard is more relevant here *if* you will be putting Debian on > it, and so belo

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
M. Fioretti wrote: No, sorry, the problem is a concrete, objective one: * everybody with any metered connection _pays_ real money every time these characters rerun their show It's called IMAP - the bandwidth and time to download headers is negligible, even over a dial-up. -- To UNSUBSC

Re: Clamav-deamon Bug

2007-05-19 Thread Klein Moebius
* Dave Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-19 15:35:55 -0500]: > Not really. The only way I could get it to start at boot was to > configure using dpkg-reconfigure clamav-base and set it to run as root. > > Ugly, Ugly... Ouch! No way to set it to a group with adequate permissions to start,

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Jhair Tocancipa Triana
Joey Hess writes: > I feel that an appropriate policy for -user would be that when offtopic > threads exceed a few messages, the people posting to the thread should > take it to private email. If offtopic threads get much larger than that, > people who have posted large portions of the thread shou

Unknown symbol devres_alloc

2007-05-19 Thread Dallas Clement
I'm trying to load a module libata.ko and I'm getting an error message: libata: Unknown symbol devres_alloc I can see that this symbol is found in the file /lib/devres.o within my linux 2.6.21.1 distribution. However, I'm not sure how this symbol should be loaded. Can anyone please help? Than

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Mumia W..
On 05/19/2007 01:19 PM, Greg Folkert wrote: On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 09:17 -0700, Mike Bird wrote: On Saturday 19 May 2007 08:02, M. Fioretti wrote: Offensive or not, it doesn't even matter with you, will you please realize it? You are simply making a lot of USELESS noise. I just move on and for

Re: man beeps more than woman

2007-05-19 Thread Mumia W..
On 05/19/2007 12:43 PM, Deboo ^ wrote: On 5/19/07, Mumia W.. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 05/19/2007 07:40 AM, Deboo ^ wrote: > How do you stop man from beeping when going below or above EOF or at > other times when it beeps? > > Regards, > Deboo > Tell the less(1) pager to be quiet: export L

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