Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
Joe Hart wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: >>> Joe Hart wrote: You're quite right that it would take 2 hours to complete a bus trip of 20 miles there. Here on the other hand, the same trip would take most likely 20 minutes because there are dedicated bus routes, so they don't have to

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
Andrei Popescu wrote: > But USA is not the entire world. No, it's not. So why is the rest of the world trying to tell the US what would work for them when most rational people in the US could tell you it won't? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: > You're confusing socialism with totalitarianism. Please see my previous > posts about this. You're thinking there is a difference is the mistake. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... -

PS/2 - USB Adaptor for keyboard

2007-03-01 Thread Celejar
I'm trying to use a simple (cheap) PS/2 keyboard with a laptop which has no PS/2 ports. There are various PS/2 - USB available all over the internet; I bought a cheap one on Ebay. It is a very simple little thing, and I don't think it has any sort of electronics inside, and it doesn't seem to work.

xorg stops putting monitor on standby after ~2 days

2007-03-01 Thread jason . public
I'm having a problem with xorg not putting the monitor on standby after 2-3 days. If I restart X, the monitor will go on standby after ~5 minutes, but then it will stop going on standby after X uptime is over 2-3 days. This has consistently happened for several months using the latest etch versi

Re: How to best use the list?

2007-03-01 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Dave Walker wrote: > I have done a bit of posting here during my attempt to get sarge > running smoothly, and my experience has shown me that I need to learn > a bit on how best to use this list. > [msg snipped] > Anybody know how to do that in Gmail? > In gmail, you cannot reply to list. There

Solved: sarge/woody upgrade - boot problem

2007-03-01 Thread Arlie Stephens
On Mar 01 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 03/01/07 09:48, Arlie Stephens wrote: > > The problem - I tried to upgrade an elderly system from woody to > > sarge. Now it doesn't boot. I suspect the upgrade ate the master boot > > record - but I don't even know the right terminology to figure out > > wh

Upgrades vs Reinstalls (was Re: sarge/woody upgrade - boot problem)

2007-03-01 Thread Arlie Stephens
On Mar 01 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > *sigh* You are the second person to suggest in effect never actually > > upgrading a debian system, > > We'd *never* say that. Well, what the other fellow said was that in his shop, they prefer to reinstall from scratch, at least when going from woody

Re: Fonts from GDM?

2007-03-01 Thread Matthew K Poer
Dig this: /etc/gtk/ It seems to be a listing of what fonts to use in GTK apps, based on locale. Trouble is, there is one for UTF-8, and a few gtkrc.iso-* somethin-or-others. I guess one of these is what I'm using? I think this is what GDM draws on, based on 1. I can't find anything else 2. GDM so

[solved]Re: no sound on mplayer + .nsv stream

2007-03-01 Thread Jonathan Kaye
David E. Fox wrote: > On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:11:41 +0100 > Jonathan Kaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Sure I remember. Thanks for the hints. Interestingly, there's also a tv >> channel associated with the same people and the url is: >> http://85.92.138.40:8000/;stream.nsv > > Odd. I also didn

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 03/01/07 13:35, Paul Johnson wrote: >> Freddy Freeloader wrote: >> >>> Another liberal wanting to decide for everyone else what they should >>> drive, how they should live, etc You ought to be using Windows, not >>> an OS built on freedom of choice >> >> You real

Re: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1r5 booting process aborted during installation.

2007-03-01 Thread KUMANOSUKE
Hi I've resolved this problem. At the first step installation by CD-ROM, I entered "expert26" and pushed the Enter key at the "boot:" prompt. Then I proceeded for the installation process, I could select what kind of kernel image should be installed. I could have selected "kernel-image-2.6.8-386"

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 19:16, Paul Johnson wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 03/01/07 15:51, Joe Hart wrote: >>> Steve Lamb wrote: Joe Hart wrote: >> [snip] >>> However, I was exaggerating a bit. To go the 26 km from here to >>> Amsterdam, it takes about

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Curt Howland wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 01 March 2007 15:40, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was > heard to say: >> You realize that GNU and socialism have more in common than in >> difference, right? > > False. > > Socialist practices are ones of

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Lamb wrote: > Mitja Podreka wrote: >> What I meant is: "why do you need a car which can go 250km/h if your >> country doesn't allow you to go faster than 130km/h." > > Uhm, because maybe you'll drive it somewhere other than where speed is > limited? That not everyone just putters along

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Freddy Freeloader wrote: > GNU/Linux has more in common with freedom of choice than anything else. > It's originators my not see that, or have had it in mind, but the fact > is it does.  It doesn't require coercion or attempt to force anyone to > do things exactly the same as everyone else.  It is

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:35:00AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: >> Freddy Freeloader wrote: >> >> > Another liberal wanting to decide for everyone else what they should >> > drive, how they should live, etc  You ought to be using Windows, >> > not an OS built on free

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 03/01/07 15:51, Joe Hart wrote: >> Steve Lamb wrote: >>> Joe Hart wrote: > [snip] >> However, I was exaggerating a bit. To go the 26 km from here to >> Amsterdam, it takes about a half of an hour with the car or the bus. >> The difference is I have to find a place to park

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 21:39, David E. Fox wrote: > On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:23:10 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If you're thinking of the Roman Church's stricture against Onanism, >> well, Augustine had more than one weird idea. > > Big mis

Re: OT: Here we go again.

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 07:57:26PM -0500, Curt Howland wrote: > > Mr. Sanchez, it is now very clear one of the reasons these off-topic > postings have been going on so long: You are utterly ignorant of the > reality of politics. > Actually, it is more about my misunderstanding your statment. >

Re: usb audio device & sound card

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 21:43, Mark Grieveson wrote: > Mark Grieveson wrote: >>> Hi. I have a cheap usb audio device for Skype, and a regular >>> sound card for the rest of the computer. I'm using Etch. I >>> would like to be able to get sound when browsing the

Re: Qemu and tun/tab usage - /dev/net/tun permissions

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 04:10:11PM -0800, Bob McGowan wrote: > > On my system, the file /etc/udev/rules.d/020_permissions.rules is a > symlink to the file ../permissions.rules. So, content is the same ;( > Sorry. I'm out of ideas then. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.

Re: Java: Error occurred during initialization of VM

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 06:15:02PM -0800, Michael M. wrote: > > The other option would be to add unstable to your /etc/apt/sources.list, > and installing via apt-get or aptitude (whatever you use). You would > need to include "non-free" in the source line, since Sun's Java packages > come from th

Re: Newie questions about security

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 01:51:11PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > > I meant more in general. In Linux, while what I said doesn't apply, it's > still bad practice to expect your firewall to do more than firewall. In > Windows (and probably other operating systems), there is no such logical > distin

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:26:24PM -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > > Not so; a libertarian isn't against the use of force when and if > necessary, only the initiation of force. Self-defense is always your > right. > IOW, I won't hit you unless/until you hit me first. Until then let's > talk lik

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:09:08PM -0600, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dict Onanism > > 1 definition found > > From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 > [gcide]: > > Onanism \O"nan*ism\, n. [Onan (--Gen. xxxviii. 9): cf. F. > onanisme.] > Se

Tum TV kanallari tek bir adreste! Ucretsiz! www.sihirli.tv

2007-03-01 Thread Asli Mesken

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-03-01 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
"David E. Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:23:10 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If you're thinking of the Roman Church's stricture against Onanism, > > well, Augustine had more than one weird idea. > > Big misconception (pardon the pun) about that...

Re: no sound on mplayer + .nsv stream

2007-03-01 Thread David E. Fox
On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:11:41 +0100 Jonathan Kaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure I remember. Thanks for the hints. Interestingly, there's also a tv > channel associated with the same people and the url is: > http://85.92.138.40:8000/;stream.nsv Odd. I also didn't get any sound from the first li

Re: usb audio device & sound card

2007-03-01 Thread Mark Grieveson
Mark Grieveson wrote: > > Hi. I have a cheap usb audio device for Skype, and a regular sound > > card for the rest of the computer. I'm using Etch. I would like to > > be able to get sound when browsing the internet, or listening to > > music, or watching movies, from the soundcard, while simult

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 04:11:27PM -0500, Curt Howland wrote: > > > > "A libertarian is a person who believes that no one has the right, > > under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human > > being, or to advocate or delegate it

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-03-01 Thread David E. Fox
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:23:10 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you're thinking of the Roman Church's stricture against Onanism, > well, Augustine had more than one weird idea. Big misconception (pardon the pun) about that... Onanism isn't masturbation, it's coitus interruptus.

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > > > > Are you anywhere near St. Louis, MO, USA? Wanna help me with my '48 > > International pickup? Know anywhere to get parts? > > Oooh, is that one of the pickups that has the airliner style > seatbelts? > Seat belts? It i

Re: [SOLVED] Re: sound in iceweasel

2007-03-01 Thread Mark Grieveson
> Thanks for the help - have fixed it. It was a combo of not having the > latest flash plugin (now fixed with flashplugin-nonfree) and adjusting > the /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc file as was suggested with reference to > Mozilla. > Now fixed, except for when the site requires something proprieta

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 12:52, Paul Johnson wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 02/28/07 12:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> On 27 Feb, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> > It's not stupid if you haven't been there.

Re: Microsoft soft *CAN NOT* acquire Linux...

2007-03-01 Thread Jim Hyslop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Folkert wrote: > I've finally gotten my dander up: > > http://rhetoric.gregfolkert.net/?p=7 > > Its been a while since I started it. Well, it's clear from the original blog that the author has absolutely no clue how open source works. "

Re: Java: Error occurred during initialization of VM

2007-03-01 Thread Michael M.
On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 18:43 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 08:18:25PM +0200, gustavo halperin wrote: > > > > I have installed the last Jre, version 1.5-0-11. I installed it from the > > RPM. I mean I transform the RPM to deb using "allien" and then > > installing it w

Re: Fonts from GDM?

2007-03-01 Thread Matthew K Poer
On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 10:15 +, Liam O'Toole wrote: > On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:12:10 -0500 > Matthew K Poer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > An odd situation: When I start Fluxbox (or any other WM) from GDM, I > > get to use the font and cursor set by GDM. > > > > If I start fluxbox with 'star

Re: making the smartest use of SE Linux

2007-03-01 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 05:50:49PM +, andy wrote: > > Permissive mode means that it logs any action that would not be > permitted under enforcing mode whereas in enforcing mode it would stop > the action. Also, SELinux permissions are

Re: OT: Here we go again.

2007-03-01 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > "A libertarian is a person who believes that no one has the > > right, under any circumstances, to initiate force against another > > human being, or to advocate or delegate its initiation. Those who > > act consistently with this principle are lib

Re: Microsoft soft *CAN NOT* acquire Linux...

2007-03-01 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 18:09 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:40:57PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > > > > > In any case, I just thought I'd let you know, that Microsoft itself > > teaches its SMB protocol stack using the Samba code... mainly because it > > isn't spa

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-03-01 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 10:55 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 06:37:34PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 02/28/07 14:37, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >> >> > >> > Except that they all come in unskilled. All the commercials for the > >> > Army, N

Re: sarge/woody upgrade - boot problem

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 19:10, Arlie Stephens wrote: > On Mar 01 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 03/01/07 18:22, Arlie Stephens wrote: >>> On Mar 01 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/01/07 09:48, Arlie Stephens wrote: >> [snip] >>> I'll make one tonight, and try

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/28/07 12:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> On 27 Feb, Ron Johnson wrote: >> It's not stupid if you haven't been there. >>> I thought you were smarter than that. >>> >>> Presuming you're not: >>> >>> Mountains and v

installation problem with initramfs-tools

2007-03-01 Thread Charles Blair
I am trying to install the etch version of Debian on a recently purchased HP Pavillion machine (it has a hard disk that the sarge installer doesn't recognize). I downloaded the first CD image and booted the installer. The partitioning and other steps seemed to be all right. During the base

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 06:37:34PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 02/28/07 14:37, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> >> >> > Except that they all come in unskilled. All the commercials for the >> > Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines talk about joining up and they will >> >>

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 15:58, Paul Johnson wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 03/01/07 08:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> On 28 Feb, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 03:58:10PM -0800,

Re: How to best use the list?

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Dave Walker wrote: > I have done a bit of posting here during my attempt to get sarge > running smoothly, and my experience has shown me that I need to learn > a bit on how best to use this list. > > I use WinXP and Gmail to communictate to the list (still struggling > with debian on another box)

Re: Linux and firewire drives

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Pete Clarke wrote: > Hi there, > > What is the current state of support for firewire attached drives within > Linux .. In konqueror... gg:ieee1394 linux hard drive -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Lamb wrote: > For us it's simpler. We drive to the airport, part where we want (of > which there is ample parking) and take the shuttle which drops us off at > the > terminal of our choice. Since the shuttles are designed to carry > passengers and their luggage no problems with the lug

Re: sarge/woody upgrade - boot problem

2007-03-01 Thread Arlie Stephens
On Mar 01 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 03/01/07 18:22, Arlie Stephens wrote: > > On Mar 01 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 03/01/07 09:48, Arlie Stephens wrote: > > > [snip] > > I'll make one tonight, and try re-installing LILO. > > Then I'll doubtless be on to the next problem, but it's a stag

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 03/01/07 08:30, Mitja Podreka wrote: >> Steve Lamb wrote: >>> Mitja Podreka wrote: >>> > [snip] >>> >>> Speed is not nearly as dangerous as the *difference of speed*. >> What I meant is: "why do you need a car which can go 250km/h if your >> country doesn't allow you

Re: How to best use the list?

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 06:22:22PM -0600, Dave Walker wrote: > On 3/1/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On 03/01/07 18:08, Dave Walker wrote: > >> I gave it a try...how's this? > > > >Well, you're top-posting, and that's "non-optim

Re: Newie questions about security

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 01:21:46PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> Firestarter and other Linux based firewalls are when you want to build a >> firewall for your network. You cannot build a firewall for just the >> computer you want to firewall: Firewalls, by nature,

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 03/01/07 08:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> On 28 Feb, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 03:58:10PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Now the question is, do you really need three motor vehicles, or are

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > By the way, isn't air travel an example of fairly efficient (and > government subsidized) public transportation, at least long distance > flights? More like Amtrak and individual state's rail corporations, unless you're willing to argue for-profit airlines sponging off

Re: How to best use the list?

2007-03-01 Thread Dave Walker
On 3/1/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 18:08, Dave Walker wrote: > I gave it a try...how's this? Well, you're top-posting, and that's "non-optimum", but it's threading, and you only sent it to d-u. I think I can, I think I

Re: How to best use the list?

2007-03-01 Thread Kent West
Dave Walker wrote: I gave it a try...how's this? Other than the top-posting and lack of snippage, dandy. ;-) On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:55:45AM -0600, Kent West wrote: > On 3/1/07, Dave Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >What I don't know is how to reply to the list so that I don't

Re: How to best use the list?

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 18:08, Dave Walker wrote: > I gave it a try...how's this? Well, you're top-posting, and that's "non-optimum", but it's threading, and you only sent it to d-u. > On 3/1/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 01

Re: Qemu and tun/tab usage - /dev/net/tun permissions

2007-03-01 Thread Bob McGowan
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:53:31AM -0800, Bob McGowan wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up bridged networking for a Qemu guest system. The doc I have says I need to do a 'chmod 666 /dev/net/tun' to be able to do this. And, I see the permissions on it are: crw--- 1

Re: How to best use the list?

2007-03-01 Thread Dave Walker
I gave it a try...how's this? On 3/1/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:55:45AM -0600, Kent West wrote: > On 3/1/07, Dave Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >What I don't know is how to reply to the list so that I don't create a > >separate t

Re: sarge/woody upgrade - boot problem

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 18:22, Arlie Stephens wrote: > On Mar 01 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 03/01/07 09:48, Arlie Stephens wrote: > [snip] > I'll make one tonight, and try re-installing LILO. > Then I'll doubtless be on to the next problem, but it's a stage

Re: sarge/woody upgrade - boot problem

2007-03-01 Thread Arlie Stephens
On Mar 01 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 03/01/07 09:48, Arlie Stephens wrote: > > The problem - I tried to upgrade an elderly system from woody to > > sarge. Now it doesn't boot. I suspect the upgrade ate the master boot > > record - but I don't even know the right terminology to figure out > > wh

Re: Java: Error occurred during initialization of VM

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 08:18:25PM +0200, gustavo halperin wrote: > > I have installed the last Jre, version 1.5-0-11. I installed it from the > RPM. I mean I transform the RPM to deb using "allien" and then > installing it with "dpkg -i". > I'm also using the last stable mozilla for debian. >

Java: Error occurred during initialization of VM

2007-03-01 Thread gustavo halperin
Hello I have a problem with a Java plugin for Mozilla. For example in the link: http://voipreview.org/voipspeedtester.aspx I receive the below error in the terminal VM did not start up properly Error occurred during initialization of VM java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object Could no

Re: Microsoft soft *CAN NOT* acquire Linux...

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:40:57PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > In any case, I just thought I'd let you know, that Microsoft itself > teaches its SMB protocol stack using the Samba code... mainly because it > isn't spaghetti code and it is bug-for-bug compatible. If that doesn't > tell you an

Re: Qemu and tun/tab usage - /dev/net/tun permissions

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:53:31AM -0800, Bob McGowan wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to set up bridged networking for a Qemu guest system. The > doc I have says I need to do a 'chmod 666 /dev/net/tun' to be able to do > this. > > And, I see the permissions on it are: > > crw--- 1 root root 1

Re: who is responsible to keep the list of used $DISPLAYs at system level

2007-03-01 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Thank you Roberto, The problem seems to boil down to an issue in sshd (bug #152250 since woody's times), so I am pursuing this subject further on -devel. But why do you want lower ones for ssh X forwarding? I would do the opposite probably since lower numbers are easier to remember for VNC connec

Re: who is responsible to keep the list of used $DISPLAYs at system level

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 05:51:53PM -0500, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > Thank you Roberto, > > The problem seems to boil down to an issue in sshd (bug #152250 since > woody's times), so I am pursuing this subject further on -devel. > > But why do you want lower ones for ssh X forwarding? I would do

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:43:44PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: > > Reston was designed as a place where one could live, shop and work > without having to leave the community. Each subdivision has it's own > shopping center, and office buildings are scattered throughout. There > are also bicycle/walki

Re: Audio recording hardware

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:36:49PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > 2. Try to explain to a non-geek the differences between vim and emacs. > Very simple: vim is a good text editor, whilst emacs is an operating system lacking a good text editor :-) Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 04:11:27PM -0500, Curt Howland wrote: > > "A libertarian is a person who believes that no one has the right, > under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human > being, or to advocate or delegate its initiation. Those who act > consistently with this prin

Re: Audio recording hardware

2007-03-01 Thread Russell L. Harris
>>> For all you non-believers (sorry, too much religion in recent >>> threads) here is a similar article: >>> >>> http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/furutech/rd2.html The proponents of CD degaussing are nothing more than witch doctors practicing voodoo. Voodoo has power only to the extent that t

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 15:42, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:45:42 -0800 > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> What's foolish here is your making generalizations based on >>> your specific situation. :-)

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 15:51, Joe Hart wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: >> Joe Hart wrote: [snip] > However, I was exaggerating a bit. To go the 26 km from here to > Amsterdam, it takes about a half of an hour with the car or the bus. > The difference is I have to fin

Re: Audio recording hardware

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 15:36, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:28:57 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> For all you non-believers (sorry, too much religion in recent >>> threads) here is a similar article: >>> >>> http://www.6moon

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 23:42 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:45:42 -0800 > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > What's foolish here is your making generalizations based on > > > your specific situation. :-) > > > > You mean like

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: > Joe Hart wrote: >> You're quite right that it would take 2 hours to complete a bus trip of >> 20 miles there. Here on the other hand, the same trip would take most >> likely 20 minutes because there are dedicated bus routes, so the

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: > Detached single family dwellings, row housing or apartment buildings? All of the above, as well as duplex housing (2 houses 1 roof). The closer you get to the center of the city the higher the apartment buildings, but most of th

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:45:42 -0800 Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > What's foolish here is your making generalizations based on > > your specific situation. :-) > > You mean like the people who are making generalizations based on > their specific situ

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Freddy Freeloader
Paul Johnson wrote: Freddy Freeloader wrote: Another liberal wanting to decide for everyone else what they should drive, how they should live, etc You ought to be using Windows, not an OS built on freedom of choice You realize that GNU and socialism have more in common than i

Re: Audio recording hardware

2007-03-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:28:57 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For all you non-believers (sorry, too much religion in recent > > threads) here is a similar article: > > > > http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/furutech/rd2.html > > Just because some some snob audiophile says we must

Re: OT: Speed Freaks (was Re: a dumb query? pls humor me)

2007-03-01 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Dominok wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 01.03.2007, 21:09 +0100 schrieb Joe Hart: >> I managed to get my old Opel Vectra 2.0 up to 220 km/h (136 mph for you >> Americans), which is not too shabby. Things come at you pretty quick at >> that speed.

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 01 March 2007 15:40, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > You realize that GNU and socialism have more in common than in > difference, right? False. Socialist practices are ones of state concentration of power, collectiv

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 14:38, Steve Lamb wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> #3) Locomotives are *not* /hybrids/. > > Er... wha? Diesel engine which powers the electric engine. Hybrid car is > a gas engine powering an electric one. Are you saying the differenc

Re: Linux and firewire drives

2007-03-01 Thread Pete Clarke
I have a RAID1 running on a pair of external FW drives. I've found that Linux is picky about the chipset on the external drives, however, and have had some cases that work under MacOS X not work at all under Linux. I also ran into a situation in which two identical cases could not be distinguished

Re: Firestarter VS Shorewall

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:45:41PM +0100, Franck Joncourt wrote: > On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:56:41AM -0800, Jordi wrote: > > I take note, John and Roberto. > > > > John, that seems to complicated for me, but seems good as it is a > > hardware firewall. > > Roverto, seems you like to do a control

Re: Debian 4

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:44:16PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:07:30 -0500 > "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:54:02PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:19:23 + > > > Phil Walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:04:54 +0100 Mitja Podreka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. Cars like Hummer, 18 meters long limos, excessively "pimped" group > 1. cars,... > Needed for driving oversized egos American readers must also consider the different culture/income. I can confirm that, while roads a

Re: Firestarter VS Shorewall

2007-03-01 Thread Franck Joncourt
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:56:41AM -0800, Jordi wrote: > I take note, John and Roberto. > > John, that seems to complicated for me, but seems good as it is a > hardware firewall. > Roverto, seems you like to do a control of all parameters, you must be > an expert. I will try to do as you say, and

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 11:35:00AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > Freddy Freeloader wrote: > > > Another liberal wanting to decide for everyone else what they should > > drive, how they should live, etc  You ought to be using Windows, not > > an OS built on freedom of choice > > You realize

Re: Linux and firewire drives

2007-03-01 Thread Gregory Seidman
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 07:03:46PM -, Pete Clarke wrote: > Hi there, > > What is the current state of support for firewire attached drives within > Linux .. > I would like to use Sarge, standard PC - and attach something like the WD > My Book Pro 1TB drive, ideally via firewire... I have a

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 12:40:13PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > Greg Folkert wrote: > > >> So, I guess Al Gore using a private jet and huge limos and other large > >> contingents of vehicles makes him a non-enemy (yes, I used that term > >> intentionally). > > > Al Gore, qui

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
Joe Hart wrote: > You're quite right that it would take 2 hours to complete a bus trip of > 20 miles there. Here on the other hand, the same trip would take most > likely 20 minutes because there are dedicated bus routes, so they don't > have to mess with the traffic. It does make stops frequentl

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: >> Now the question is, do you really need three motor vehicles, or are two >> of 'em a crutch for not leaning on your local officials to fix public >> transport? > > Paul, public transportation is a farce, plain and simple. It comes > down to one simple f

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What's foolish here is your making generalizations based on your > specific situation. :-) You mean like the people who are making generalizations based on their specific situation? "Oh, it's great for me to bike everywhere!" Peachy, doesn't count for the vas

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > two for one: > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:38:24PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 03:58:10PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: >> > >> > Now the question is, do you really need three motor vehicles, or are >> > two of 'em a crutch for not lea

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > While it's true that public transportation is not a good solution > for much of rural America, it's also true that it is woefully underused > areas where it could work. Er... in what reality? Pretty much every major metro area that has tried public transportat

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-03-01 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: > Greg Folkert wrote: >> So, I guess Al Gore using a private jet and huge limos and other large >> contingents of vehicles makes him a non-enemy (yes, I used that term >> intentionally). > Al Gore, quite famously, drives himself around in a Prius. While spending more in a

Re: Linux and firewire drives

2007-03-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/07 13:03, Pete Clarke wrote: > Hi there, > > What is the current state of support for firewire attached drives within > Linux .. > I would like to use Sarge, standard PC - and attach something like the > WD My Book Pro 1TB drive, ideally via

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