Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Mumia W wrote: > Abolish public education, and the private schools might just start > treating parents and students like crap. And those schools would lose their students as their parents moved them to more responsive schools. Non-issue. > Certainly, if a single company > came to dominate ed

Re: Backports: Questions about OO.o 2.0

2006-04-29 Thread Daniel Baumann
Marc Shapiro wrote: > Can anyone who is using the backports version comment on its > completeness and functionality, especially as compared to the version > from the OO.o web-site? I don't know the o.o version, but the bpo version is, since some time already, complete (including help files). --

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Mumia W wrote: > The purpose of the public programs is to ensure that *something* is > there for the middle class and poor. It doesn't have to be gold-plated. IMHO it isn't that they outperform. It is that they are outright harmful on matter how they perform. > The purpose of public educatio

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Mumia W wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: > >> Christopher Nelson wrote: > >>> [...] > >>> Sure you can. Nothing's forcing you to have your kids in public >>> schools. And shopping around for a good public school district is part >>> of being a responsible parent if you can't afford/don't like privat

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Mumia W wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >> >> Every single thing you describe would work *better* if education was >> completely private. [...] > > > No it wouldn't. It *might* be better for those who can pay, and everyone > else would get zip. > You know what. Gas prices have been going

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Mumia W wrote: > > Your quotes don't help your argument for two reasons. You're not > comparing public to private, and the people making those statements > don't begin to envision what society would be like without public > schooling. > You mean that things would be better? > This is another pa

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > Sure, poor areas have McDonald's, WalMart, and Dollar Tree. Not so many > organic food markets and Gucci stores, I think. I guess I could be > wrong; I haven't extensively toured poor neighborhoods to check. True, true. But since in a privatized setting the concep

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > On 2006-04-30, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > >> >>Umm, who said my experience was subpar? I went to the top school in >>my county. I had some of the best teachers in the state. My >>teachers took a personal interest in me. My parents were involved >>in my education (f

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Mumia W
Steve Lamb wrote: Christopher Nelson wrote: >> [...] Sure you can. Nothing's forcing you to have your kids in public schools. And shopping around for a good public school district is part of being a responsible parent if you can't afford/don't like private school. A good public school d

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Mumia W
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Every single thing you describe would work *better* if education was completely private. [...] No it wouldn't. It *might* be better for those who can pay, and everyone else would get zip. In any case, private education has to outperform public education because t

Re: etch: can no longer login

2006-04-29 Thread Mumia W
David E. Fox wrote: On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:27:08 -0700 "David E. Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo unmount /dev/hdd sudo: pam_authenticate: Module is unknown This just happened very recently. hate replying to myself, but need some help. due to some other broken-ness,

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Mumia W
Curt Howland wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mumia W wrote: Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school. http://www.johntaylorgatto.com http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1500338 http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Apr-16-Sun-2006/opinion/6593902

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Steve Lamb penned: > Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > >> I honestly don't believe this. It might be different if good >> financial practices were required in the high school curriculum, >> but they're not. (That's an idea I've read about in a couple of >> financial books now, and it make

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > This is a point where I think we can agree to disagree. I think it > could. And I'm not at all sure it's not the province of government. But that's the one solid point we can prove; at least at the federal level. All powers not granted to the federal government by

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > Monique Y. Mudama wrote: >> >> Anyway, I think your point here is a red herring. If education is >> entirely privatized, schools will follow the money, and poor areas >> won't have the pull for really great education. The military, by >> the way, doesn

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > I'm not sure if that's true. Is it society's job? If so, does > government enact the will of society? No. That's where a whole mess comes into play. At least in my opinion Government's role is to get out of the way of society. It is to set a minimum.. BARE minim

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > > I like your idea, except for point 4. In fact, why does the > government need to be involved in it at all? Just to mess it up? > Well, *I* still hold to the idea that government/society is in some way responsible for keepin

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) > --enig4A7950B5E5E647955FAA1AE5 Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Monique Y. Mudama wrote: >> On 2006-04-29, Roberto C. Sanchez penned

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > Monique Y. Mudama wrote: >> >> You're assuming there's no inherent benefit to having a >> well-educated population. This is not a point on which everyone >> agrees. I agree that people will be people, but I don't see why >> future generations must suff

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > Monique Y. Mudama wrote: >> By the way, the reason I'm so interested in this discussion is >> because it *is* a tough question for me. I don't know the right >> answer. > > I think the problem is that we have moved away from familial > responsibility. T

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Curt Howland penned: > > On Saturday 29 April 2006 21:43, Christopher Nelson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: >> That's your right, but unless you can *gaurantee* that I can, for >> no cost, send my children to a 100% secular school with decent >> teaching, there is no way I c

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > On 2006-04-30, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > >>Mumia W wrote: >> >>>A person doesn't have to be stupid to not want to have to learn >>>about that stuff. And yes, even the stupid *deserve* retirement >>>security. >>> >> >>This is not the government's job. > > > I'm not s

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Mumia W penned: > > Social Security is not driven by a high profit motive; it's purpose > is to provide stable retirement income to people, and it does a > fantastic job of that. It's not stable because it doesn't work when the population isn't booming. Even if it were stable, I wo

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > > You're assuming there's no inherent benefit to having a well-educated > population. This is not a point on which everyone agrees. I agree > that people will be people, but I don't see why future generations > must suffer for it. This is why I don't believe in seatbe

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > On 2006-04-29, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > >>Mumia W wrote: >> >>>Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school. >>> >> >>As was I. That is exactly the reason why none of my children will >>*ever* go to a public school. I like to think that I am succeeding >>in lif

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > > Mumia W wrote: >> >> A person doesn't have to be stupid to not want to have to learn >> about that stuff. And yes, even the stupid *deserve* retirement >> security. >> > This is not the government's job. I'm not sure if that's true. Is it society's

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > On 2006-04-30, Steve Lamb penned: > >>No, not might. Most people. Some might choose bad investments. >>But by and large it is extremely difficult to do worse than >>Social Security. I think it's so bad that putting the money >>in a simple 3% interest s

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-29, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > Mumia W wrote: >> >> Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school. >> > As was I. That is exactly the reason why none of my children will > *ever* go to a public school. I like to think that I am succeeding > in life *in spite* of the fact that I

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > On 2006-04-30, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > >>What about if you are in the military and get stationed in Arkansas? >>Then what? Or somewhere with an insanely high cost of living? The >>point is that if all education was private, you could live where you >>want send you

bootsplash on Etch

2006-04-29 Thread Digby Tarvin
Has anyone gotten the kernel-patch-bootsplash to work in etch? I have installe the package and built my kernel with: make-dpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --append-to-version -dtsplash\ \--revision 1 --added-patches bootsplash kernel-image dpkg -i ../linux-image-2.6.15-dtsplash_1_i386.de

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > There are people who believe that amending the Constitution to prevent > gay marriage is somehow a worthwhile cause. People believe all sorts > of crazy stuff. Exactly. And the crazy stuff here is that public education is somehow up to snuff and worth continuing.

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Steve Lamb penned: > > No, not might. Most people. Some might choose bad investments. > But by and large it is extremely difficult to do worse than > Social Security. I think it's so bad that putting the money > in a simple 3% interest savings account offered by an

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > It's a sad reality that not all adults are responsible. Yes, it is. Problem is is it really the government's role, especially at the federal level, to deal with that problem? Or is it more appropriate for local institutions and local governments where people have m

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-29, Steve Lamb penned: > > And public schools are doing such a fine job of educating, too! > You are aware that there are people who believe public > schooling was, and is, a bad idea and this would be best > removed? There are people who believe that amending the Consti

Re: Udev rule help

2006-04-29 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Have you check this out? > > http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html > I have. The problem is that the set of information required to uniquely identify these devices spans two SYSFS levels, and according to that d

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > Christopher Nelson wrote: >> >> It could be, but a more salient question might be, would it be >> applied to private schooling? There are people I know who despite >> the evidence they should, don't spend in retirement funds, etc., >> and probably would

Re: etch: can no longer login (solved)

2006-04-29 Thread David E. Fox
On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:27:08 -0700 "David E. Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Something seems to be broken in etch (I know the caveats regarding > running etch vs. stable) but in the last day or so I've done an update > and upgrade and something seems to be broken relative to 'su' and > 'sudo'

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Roberto C. Sanchez penned: > > What about if you are in the military and get stationed in Arkansas? > Then what? Or somewhere with an insanely high cost of living? The > point is that if all education was private, you could live where you > want send your kids to school where you w

Re: [Somewhat OT] Explorer destroyer

2006-04-29 Thread IraqiGeek
On Sunday, April 30, 2006 4:48 AM GMT, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 23:40 +0200, Martin A. Brooks wrote: Hi This site was mentioned on my LUG list today: http://www.explorerdestroyer.com/ It's a neat idea, and a nice feeling after all those "You must use IE" sc

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Larry Garfield wrote: > Except that it's not a 1:1 tradeoff. The tuition cost for a good private > school is more than what an individual family would get back in their taxes > by eliminating public schools. Substantially more. How do you know? Right now the cost per pupil for public sc

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Monique Y. Mudama
On 2006-04-30, Christopher Nelson penned: > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:43:35PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >> Besides, why is it my job to *guarantee* that you can send your >> children to school for free? If you can't afford to raise them, >> then don't have them. Really, why should I pay

treat iso8859-1 as windows-1252 in galeon/epiphany

2006-04-29 Thread David Purton
Hi, I notice that Firefox is generous when it comes to websites that advertise as using iso8859-1, but are actually using windows-1252. Most often this crops up when people use windows quotes in their web pages. Galeon and Epiphany display [0093] or whatever the supplied character code is. Does a

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Christopher Nelson wrote: > I feel like I'm missing the point, but in case it's teaching political > tenets as fact: on that I think we squarely agree. I've not heard people > complaining about it, but it would be equally as reprehensible as > religion As in cases where teachers are using the

Re: Udev rule help

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > I have a usb keyboard (Logitech Elite) that has a mouse component (scroll > wheel + additional buttons), and i'm trying to create persistant evdev event > nodes for the two devices. the problem is that they differ by their > bInterfaceNumber SYSFS property, which is on a

Re: [Somewhat OT] Explorer destroyer

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 23:40 +0200, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > >>Hi >> >>This site was mentioned on my LUG list today: >>http://www.explorerdestroyer.com/ >> >>It's a neat idea, and a nice feeling after all those "You must use IE" >>screens you trip over from less thoughtful s

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Christopher Nelson wrote: > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 11:23:57PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >>So what? Repeat after me, "the government is not a babysitter." Now, >>repeat that until you believe it. Seriously. This is the same reason >>why I believe we should abolish social security. Be

Udev rule help

2006-04-29 Thread Jeremy Nickurak
I have a usb keyboard (Logitech Elite) that has a mouse component (scroll wheel + additional buttons), and i'm trying to create persistant evdev event nodes for the two devices. the problem is that they differ by their bInterfaceNumber SYSFS property, which is on a different SYSFS level than pro

Re: [Somewhat OT] Explorer destroyer

2006-04-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2006-04-29 at 23:40 +0200, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > Hi > > This site was mentioned on my LUG list today: > http://www.explorerdestroyer.com/ > > It's a neat idea, and a nice feeling after all those "You must use IE" > screens you trip over from less thoughtful sites. I've put it on th

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Christopher Nelson
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 11:23:57PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:41:47PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > >>You're also pricing against a limited market. If the market were more > >>open then prices would fall as more would enter the

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Larry Garfield
On Saturday 29 April 2006 22:09, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > Can't afford to go to a school at all? Sorry, you don't get an > > education, because it's a privilege of those who can afford to pay for it > > out of pocket rather than a right as a citizen. > > > > Sorry, I prefer knowing that every

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Christopher Nelson wrote: > > I admit, I made a misjudging--for the *same amount* I'll pay in > education taxes over my life. But there's another point. I'm paying > those taxes my entire working life, which I sure hope is longer than 12 > years that my children will go through public school! >

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Christopher Nelson wrote: > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:41:47PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > >>You're also pricing against a limited market. If the market were more >>open then prices would fall as more would enter the market. On the flip side >>if the parents aren't paying for public schooling

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Christopher Nelson
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 10:16:04PM -0400, Curt Howland wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Saturday 29 April 2006 21:43, Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > was heard to say: > > That's your right, but unless you can *gaurantee* that I can, for > > no cost, send m

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Larry Garfield wrote: > On Saturday 29 April 2006 21:36, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > >>Every single thing you describe would work *better* if education was >>completely private. Why dork around with having the government track >>where your child's assigned funds should end up if you change his

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Christopher Nelson
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:41:47PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > The same reason you should pay taxes for roads you don't drive > > on--because at all stages of life having an educated workforce benifits > > you, just as it benifits you for people (eg utility companies) t

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Larry Garfield
On Saturday 29 April 2006 21:36, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Every single thing you describe would work *better* if education was > completely private. Why dork around with having the government track > where your child's assigned funds should end up if you change his/her > school? If all school

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Mumia W wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >> Mumia W wrote: >> And public schools are doing such a fine job of educating, too! >>> >>> Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school. >>> >> As was I. That is exactly the reason why none of my children will >> *ever* go to a public s

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Kent West
Steve Lamb wrote: > Kent West wrote: > >> Sure, you'll have to pay in at the end of the >> year, but you're paying in less than you were paying, because now you're >> getting the interest. >> > > Ah, but here's the rub. That interest is considered income and he has to > pay taxes on it

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Mumia W wrote: > Not everyone has the choice that you have. For *most* people, it's > either a free education, or no education. That's why public schools are > needed. And why would it be no education if they were no longer required to pay for the total lack of education from the public sector

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Christopher Nelson wrote: > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:43:35PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >> >>Umm. You do realize that not all private schools are Christian, >>correct? There are Jewish, Muslim, and yes even secular private >>schools. If there are not enough secular private schools now

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > If you think education is > bad now, federalizing it would likely square or cube the problem. Don't > believe me? Just look at the decline in the quality of education in > this country since the formation of the Dept of Education. Not to mention that phrase just m

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Kent West wrote: > Sure, you'll have to pay in at the end of the > year, but you're paying in less than you were paying, because now you're > getting the interest. Ah, but here's the rub. That interest is considered income and he has to pay taxes on it. Gotta love where one of the problems f

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Kent West wrote: > Sure, you'll have to pay in at the end of the > year, but you're paying in less than you were paying, because now you're > getting the interest. Ah, but here's the rub. That interest is considered income and he has to pay taxes on it. Gotta love where one of the problems f

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Mumia W
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Mumia W wrote: And public schools are doing such a fine job of educating, too! Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school. As was I. That is exactly the reason why none of my children will *ever* go to a public school. I like to think that I am succeeding

Re: what is the easist way to transfering files on Ethernet?

2006-04-29 Thread Digby Tarvin
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:12:03PM -0700, Serena Cantor wrote: > I have just set up a network of 2 PCs using Ethernet > connection, both running Linux. > > How to transfer files between them? Depends on the situation. I would suggest starting by reading up on 1. ssh - for copying individual or

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Christopher Nelson wrote: > The same reason you should pay taxes for roads you don't drive > on--because at all stages of life having an educated workforce benifits > you, just as it benifits you for people (eg utility companies) to drive > on roads you particularly don't use. Or would you rather

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Christopher Nelson wrote: > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:09:01PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > >>Christopher Nelson wrote: >> >>>That's your right, but unless you can *gaurantee* that I can, for no >>>cost, send my children to a 100% secular school with decent teaching, >>>there is no way I can support

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 29 April 2006 21:43, Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > That's your right, but unless you can *gaurantee* that I can, for > no cost, send my children to a 100% secular school with decent > teaching, there is no way

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Christopher Nelson
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:09:01PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > That's your right, but unless you can *gaurantee* that I can, for no > > cost, send my children to a 100% secular school with decent teaching, > > there is no way I can support abolishing public schools. An

Re: Social Contract

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Mumia W wrote: > Social Security is not highly suspect. It's not even suspect. It's > simply the most popular social program in U.S. history. Just because it is popular doesn't mean people don't find it suspect. > How does protecting the poor and elderly destroy society? Vote pandering,

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Mumia W wrote: > > Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school. http://www.johntaylorgatto.com http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1500338 http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Apr-16-Sun-2006/opinion/6593902.html http://www.r

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Kent West
Christopher Nelson wrote: > But then I don't know much about tax systems besides that I put money in and > file for a > refund the beginning of the next year > Then you know just enough to be losing money. You're basically giving the government a free loan for a year when you get a refund.

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Christopher Nelson
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:43:35PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:02:30PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > >>Mumia W wrote: > >> > >>>[somebody] wrote: > >>> > And public schools are doing such a fine job of educating, too!

Re: what is the easist way to transfering files on Ethernet?

2006-04-29 Thread Leonid Grinberg
I have just set up a network of 2 PCs using Ethernet connection, both running Linux. How to transfer files between them? Wait, these are going through a router, right? I suggest using either SSH with SCP (man [ssh|scp] you will need sshd (package)) or FTP (you will need ftp-server. You can al

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Curt Howland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 29 April 2006 18:57, Mumia W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Just because a few loons believe something doesn't mean > I have to buy it. But you do! You have to buy it because it's a government program. It's called taxation, coe

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: > Because society benefits from an educated public. If you want to do away > with > public education, look to Mexico first: Public education only covers through > grade six there. Yes, it does. Which, of course, has nothing to do with the public education system here.

what is the easist way to transfering files on Ethernet?

2006-04-29 Thread Serena Cantor
I have just set up a network of 2 PCs using Ethernet connection, both running Linux. How to transfer files between them? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Christopher Nelson wrote: > That's your right, but unless you can *gaurantee* that I can, for no > cost, send my children to a 100% secular school with decent teaching, > there is no way I can support abolishing public schools. And if you can > gaurantee that, where does the line between public an

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Saturday 29 April 2006 18:43, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Umm. You do realize that not all private schools are Christian, > correct? Because society benefits from an educated public. If you want to do away with public education, look to Mexico first: Public education only covers through gr

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Christopher Nelson wrote: > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:02:30PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >>Mumia W wrote: >> >>>[somebody] wrote: >>> And public schools are doing such a fine job of educating, too! >>> >>> >>>Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school. >>> >> >>As was I.

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Mumia W wrote: > Great. You understand that roads are a social benefit. Not having the > elderly rotting on the streets is also a social benefit. Yes, having them rot in homes is so much better because they weren't able to invest their own money in something to yield a higher return so they co

Beaverton Linux Group (WAS: Re: Fortune file!)

2006-04-29 Thread Marc Shapiro
Michael M. wrote: Beaverton: http://www.bluegroup.org/ (link is dead, at least for me, but I'm pretty sure the group is still active) This site didn't work before, but it is, now. - Marc Shapiro No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. What?! Look, somebody's got to

rerunning autodetect

2006-04-29 Thread Mark Tilford
For various reasons, I had to run the installation on one computer, then transfer the hard drive to a different computer. How do I rerun the code that autodetects hardware (specifically the netword card)?

Re: etch: can no longer login

2006-04-29 Thread David E. Fox
On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:27:08 -0700 "David E. Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo unmount /dev/hdd > sudo: pam_authenticate: Module is unknown > > This just happened very recently. hate replying to myself, but need some help. due to some other broken-ness, had to reboot.

bootsplash kernel patch

2006-04-29 Thread L . V . Gandhi
I downloaded patch file kernel-patch-bootsplash_2.6.16-1.tar.gz. But it contains patches other than 2.6.16-1. From where to get bootsplash kernel patch for 2.6.16-1? -- L.V.Gandhi http://lvgandhi.tripod.com/ linux user No.205042

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Christopher Nelson
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:02:30PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Mumia W wrote: > > [somebody] wrote: > >> > >> And public schools are doing such a fine job of educating, too! > > > > > > Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school. > > > As was I. That is exactly the reason why

Re: Screen resolution

2006-04-29 Thread Digby Tarvin
On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 12:46:41AM +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > Rodolfo Medina wrote: > > >> I strongly suspect that my screen resolution is lower than > >> it should be: > >> everything appears very big. > >> Is there a way to check up the real performed resolution? > >> And a way to make it b

Re: LV Device Missing

2006-04-29 Thread Wayne Topa
Ian Petts([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > I'm fairly new to LVM, but I've been having an intermittant problem that > I hope someone can help me with. > > Every few (2-10ish) reboots of my machine, my LV fails to be recognised. > > I'm running Debian Sid with: > > === 8< === > >

Re: Social Contract

2006-04-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Saturday 29 April 2006 14:51, Steve Lamb wrote: > Because of the Californians stampeding over the border to pay > our state income taxes, pay us for room and board while they do it and in > the end, thank us for the opportunity. Maybe you Oregonians should take > that as a pointer? :P We let

Re: 'out of memory' errors

2006-04-29 Thread Linas Žvirblis
tom arnall wrote: > i am trying to us a perl application that handles large files (.5GB) in > scalar > variables. when i try to 'slurp' one of these files into a variable > (e.g., '$_ = `cat filename`) i get an out of memory error. You should consider alternative solutions, like processing f

Re: Screen resolution

2006-04-29 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Rodolfo Medina wrote: >> I strongly suspect that my screen resolution is lower than >> it should be: >> everything appears very big. >> Is there a way to check up the real performed resolution? >> And a way to make it be what it should? >> When I run 'dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium xserver-xfree86', >

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Mumia W wrote: >> >> And public schools are doing such a fine job of educating, too! > > > Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school. > As was I. That is exactly the reason why none of my children will *ever* go to a public school. I like to think that I am succeeding in life *in

Re: Screen resolution

2006-04-29 Thread Stephen Cormier
On Saturday 29 April 2006 18:05, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > Hi, Debian users. > > I strongly suspect that my screen resolution is lower than it should be: > everything appears very big. > Is there a way to check up the real performed resolution? > And a way to make it be what it should? > When I run '

Re: [OT] Recipe for a Debian thread that won't die

2006-04-29 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Manaen Schlabach wrote: I haven't been around this list long but here are the ingredients for a thread that won't die. Can anyone think of further needed ingredients? Ingredients 2 Dozen Broccoli Growers A heavy dose of green color 1 Social Contract 1 smidgen of "how do you address somebody...

'out of memory' errors

2006-04-29 Thread tom arnall
i am trying to us a perl application that handles large files (.5GB) in scalar variables. when i try to 'slurp' one of these files into a variable (e.g., '$_ = `cat filename`) i get an out of memory error. (same for '@var = ') initially, i ran the script without any memory limits. that was fin

Re: Social Contract

2006-04-29 Thread Mumia W
Steve Lamb wrote: Mumia W wrote: Social Security is a government program. There's nothing wrong about using taxes to support a government program. There is when the program is highly suspect. Like the Alaskan bridge to nowhere. Social Security is not highly suspect. It's not even suspe

Re: [OT] Recipe for a Debian thread that won't die

2006-04-29 Thread Mumia W
Manaen Schlabach wrote: I haven't been around this list long but here are the ingredients for a thread that won't die. [...] LOL Thanks for that Manaen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

2006-04-29 Thread Mumia W
Steve Lamb wrote: Monique Y. Mudama wrote: But that happens all the time. People who don't drive still pay taxes for roads. And they also never take public transportation on those roads, pay for transportation across those roads, never have emergency medical services travel to them and tr

Re: dpkg-reconfigure list

2006-04-29 Thread Thilo Six
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Bruce Byfield wrote the following on 27.04.2006 21:40: > As many users probably know, dpkg-reconfigure can be used to reconfigure > installed packages. In some cases, such as locales and alsa-base, it > also opens a series of text-based dialogs to

Re: Screen resolution

2006-04-29 Thread Digby Tarvin
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 11:05:52PM +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > Hi, Debian users. > > I strongly suspect that my screen resolution is lower than it should be: > everything appears very big. > Is there a way to check up the real performed resolution? > And a way to make it be what it should? > Wh

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