/dev/cua0 dosen't exist.

1997-08-23 Thread Zim9781
Hi again, my modem is on com port 1. /dev/cua0 or any other /dev/cua? doesn't exist. Also /dev/modem doesn't exist. Would /dev/cua0 and /dev/modem be a link to /dev/ttyS0 ? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL

Dave's Messages Digest for Today

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
Dave's messages are now in a digest, so that he is not censored but the list is not overwhelmed with his messages. Here's today's digest. Bruce >From list Sat Aug 23 12:14:49 PDT 1997 X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 3107 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1997 05:48:28 -0

Re: Anybody in for helping a new debian user with aic7xxx ?

1997-08-23 Thread Dieter Rohlfing
Hi Craig, thanks a lot for your replay. > for the record, i've built at least half a dozen debian systems with > adaptec 2940 scsi controllers. with no problems. most of these are > running linux 2.0.29 or 2.0.30. Installing them was straight-forward, > just boot off the boot/rescue floppy and f

Re: Anybody in for helping a new debian user with aic7xxx ?

1997-08-23 Thread Dieter Rohlfing
Hi Damir, thanks a lot for your reply. > I have VLB2842 based card and I _never_ > got a stock boot disk to work with that setup It's not only the 2842, but the 2940, too. > The problem seems to be due to whole _slew_ of different SCSI driver > probes on the stock boot floppy which confuse the

Debian Releases (was: Show me the money)

1997-08-23 Thread Chris Hanson
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:17:59 -0400 From: Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As for "1.3.3", as V.P.Engineering, I've authorized _nothing_ since the release of 1.3.1. What is in bo-updates are just candidates for the next release that the testing group has to approve. Prehaps I w

I: cancel my email address

1997-08-23 Thread Alessandro Pederzoli
-- > Da: Alessandro Pederzoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > A: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Oggetto: cancel my email address > Data: sabato 23 agosto 1997 20.41 > > > help help help help > I want my email address to be cancelled from your list > My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >

cancel my email address

1997-08-23 Thread Alessandro Pederzoli
help help help help I want my email address to be cancelled from your list My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks alessandro P.S. too much mes

Linus pronounciation

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
I haven't learned the phonetic alphabet, but Linus now sounds like Line-us, the "Line" sounds like pine, mine, etc. In Finnish he says Lean-us. Linux sounds like Line-ux. Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://ww

Re: man -> segfault

1997-08-23 Thread Remco van de Meent
Hey, Problem solved. Look below for details.. On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Remco van de Meent wrote: : I'm getting SEGFAULT's using `man' sometimes. Not every manpage I try. : : For example, `man man' works, so does `man 7 signal', but `man signal' gives : this when stracing it: : : execve("/usr

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Martin Schulze
Hi! > > >> I suggest that you ask Pete Templin to remove Dave from the debian-user > > >> mailing list. > > > > > >I concur. I disagree (btw.) [ some flames removed] Folks could you please calm down and continue work. Flames doesn't work so please keep them off. If you wish to discuss importa

Re: unsubscribe (fwd)

1997-08-23 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], you wrote: >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Aug 23 14:04:42 1997 Date: 23 Aug 1997 18:01:58 - Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Loop: debian-user@l

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Gary L. Dolan
On Sat, Aug 23, 1997 at 07:48:08PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > Bruce, > > no one should ever be removed from a discussion mailing list > because he has different oppinions in discussions. It is incredibly inaccurate to suggest that expulsion, what- ever its merits, was raised in this instance

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: > > On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:09:39 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: > > >In your email to me, Syrus Nemat-Nasser, you wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > >> > >> [snip] > >> > As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse f

Re: man -> segfault

1997-08-23 Thread Magossa'nyi A'rpa'd
On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Remco van de Meent wrote: Hi! Maybe the kernel version? I know that 2.0.30 have strange memory allocation behaviour, and that it has nearly the same patches as 2.0.29-ISS. It's just a weak guess, but might be worth trying if on 2.0.29 it produces the same behaviour. > read(3,

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Martin Schulze
Bruce, no one should ever be removed from a discussion mailing list because he has different oppinions in discussions. There are pros and cons for or against the incorporation thingy. If the incorporaation is well thought there are good reasons and the discussion on this topic will end some time.

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Vern Hamberg
At 09:02 AM 8/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >> My first suggestion for the charter would be that profanity should not be >> tolerated: no matter whom it comes from. > >Just English profanities or those of any language? Who's going to maintain >the list of forbidden words? Not only is that ridiculous, I

Re: killing a process

1997-08-23 Thread Ricardo Muggli
After trying to kill the process..., let me make that two mirror processes, I decided it was time for a healthy reboot. Well all hell broke loose. With the reboot it left the filesystem if a not so nice state. My mache did not come back up so I had to drive 60 miles to hook up a monitor and see

man -> segfault

1997-08-23 Thread Remco van de Meent
Hey I'm getting SEGFAULT's using `man' sometimes. Not every manpage I try. For example, `man man' works, so does `man 7 signal', but `man signal' gives this when stracing it: execve("/usr/bin/man", ["man", "signal"], [/* 35 vars */]) = 0 mmap(0, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONY

Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Chris Hanson
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 21:49 PDT From: Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse for dialog from debian-user. What do you suggest I do, guys? I think the suggestion to develop a charter for this list is the correct one. The charter

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Brian White
> > Why change the version numbering scheme? It is a small change, it makes > > sense for marketing reasons, it is easy to do, and there was no reason not > > to do it. We're not holding up releases because of it. > > I suppose all 67 megs in bo-updates is being held there for some other > reason?

Re: cfengine question?

1997-08-23 Thread Brian White
> Would some please show me what is wrong with the following > cfengine that is sent to my 'root' every day: Check the log file under /var/log to see if there is more information there. If not, try running cfengine by hand to see if it provides more information that way.

Debian Releases (was: Show me the money)

1997-08-23 Thread Brian White
> > And choosing a simple, consistent, and comprehensible release naming scheme > > is such an issue. Hambone, bopeep, 1.3.1, and now revision 2... all > > very confusing. I've been trying to convince the people in the seul > > project to use Debian: they think Debian is flaky. I like Debian.

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Brian White
> >> >my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the > >> >project with donations. I have just bought 2 "Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's" > >> >from LSL and I chose the product that includes a 5 dollar donation to the > >> >Debian project. > >> > >> And since I am in such a pi

Re: Release naming ...

1997-08-23 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Aug 23, Anand Kumria wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Richard G. Roberto wrote: > > > A while ago I posted my feelings on this to Debian private, > > but it was _very_ ill received at the time. I'll restate it > > now. Commercial products do not rename the

Re: upgrade path

1997-08-23 Thread Rick Hawkins
bruce wrote, > > We want it to be easy for people to upgrade. However, it's currently > difficult for people who had 1.1 on their systems to upgrade to 1.3, > because the best way to do this was to install 1.2 and then 1.3 . You can > go straight from 1.1 to 1.3, but I hear this is much more diffi

[Q] libdb.so.1, runq, and setup signature

1997-08-23 Thread kestrel
I recently had to reinstall Debian (had done something I later found out I shouldn't have done). With the new installation using stable non-free and contrib but my previous kernel image (saved some of the most important stuff) every time I try to do a man command i get the following: man: can't

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Aug 23, Oliver Elphick wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, writes: > >I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. > ... > > > >As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse for dialog from > >debian-user. What do you suggest I do, guys? > > > I wouldn't like

Let's move to debian-policy; I'm sorry, but this doesn't belong on debian-user

1997-08-23 Thread Joost Kooij
Please continue the discussions on debian-policy Subscribe by sending a message with body "subscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever your point of view or interest, this does not belong on debian-user. Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscrib

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Rick Hawkins
john wrote, > This is the part that baffles me. Do you really believe that users who > won't buy 1.3.1 because 1.3.2 is out will buy 1.3 revision 1 after 1.3 > revision 2 comes out? actually, yes. I know the schemes are identical, but I think that "revision" off to the side doesn't sound as m

Re: Expelling David Cinege from the list

1997-08-23 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Aug 22, Dave Cinege wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:19:59 -0800 (AKDT), Britton wrote: > > >2. Changing the version numbering is bad. > > > >He's right about this. There was no reason to do it, and it looks like a > >pacification move toward vendors that functions by decieving (or at least > >

Re: Help!! My Client/Server are out of sync.

1997-08-23 Thread Magossa'nyi A'rpa'd
On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Jimmy Lu wrote: > Back ground: > === > I have two PCs at home with Client/Server setup. The Server PC is > updated to kernel version 2.0.29 and Debian 1.3. The directories of > /home, /usr and /tmp in the Server hard disk were shared with the > Client PC. The Client

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Syrus Nemat-Nasser, you wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > > [snip] > > As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse for dialog from > > debian-user. What do you suggest I do, guys? > > I suggest that you ask Pete Templin to remove Dave from the de

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:57:29 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Paul Serice writes: > >> > Suppose, Bruce is "going to drive tomorrow to Santa Cruz (from > >> > Berkeley) to participate in a meeting for Debian," and

Formula for ftp access to unstable tree

1997-08-23 Thread David Morris
I had been following the stable tree for quite a while and decided I wanted to follow unstable now, but I am having trouble finding the formula to give to dselect to both get the right Packages files and to actually get the files I want. I want to know how to answer the questions for dselect Ac

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread john
I wrote: > I was arguing that there is no contract and therefore no duty. > I don't know of any case law on that, though. Bruce writes: > There is at least an implicit contract when we give them access to our > internal systems to perform work for us. We could make it explicit. I meant the end us

Help!! My Client/Server are out of sync.

1997-08-23 Thread Jimmy Lu
Back ground: === I have two PCs at home with Client/Server setup. The Server PC is updated to kernel version 2.0.29 and Debian 1.3. The directories of /home, /usr and /tmp in the Server hard disk were shared with the Client PC. The Client PC is using kernel version 2.0.27 and Debian 1.2.

Re: Linus

1997-08-23 Thread Rick Macdonald
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > I finally met Linus Torvalds today. He loves living in the U.S. because > the weather is so much nicer than Finland. He is using the American > pronunication of his name and of "Linux" when he speaks English! Yikes! Which pronunciation is that? The one

Re: SPI & Debian incorporation

1997-08-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Aug 23, 1997 at 01:41:44AM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: > I've made my objections clear. Release revisions should be fixed, and not > have 10 > different versions, with the same number on them. They don't. There is a revision number -- lots of free software has them in some form or another

Re: swearing in the news groups

1997-08-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Aug 22, 1997 at 10:42:50PM -0700, Jim Pick wrote: > > Job requirements: somebody who's got a bit of tact and actually >enjoys abuse. > > :-) Tact has already proven ineffective with this guy. Bruce has shown plenty of patience already. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt,

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Aug 23, 1997 at 01:30:22AM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: > You do not own Debian, Bruce. It is not your determination what people Debian > needs, and what projects Debian will allow. Debian is GPL, not a company > headed > by Jesus H Perens, though with how your actions of late have been I t

Re: Release naming ...

1997-08-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Aug 22, 1997 at 10:46:45PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:42:21 -0400 (EDT), Richard G. Roberto wrote: > > >A while ago I posted my feelings on this to Debian private, > >but it was _very_ ill received at the time. I'll restate it > >now. Commercial products do not re

clocks and crontabs

1997-08-23 Thread Will Lowe
Can anyone tell me where the (crontab?) script is that resets the system clock? I had my system set for the wrong timezone, fixed it via tzconfig, did clock -s, and it's got the time fine. But every morning, it's off by 5 hours again (as if it's reset the timezone again or something). I can f

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Clint Adams
> My first suggestion for the charter would be that profanity should not be > tolerated: no matter whom it comes from. Just English profanities or those of any language? Who's going to maintain the list of forbidden words? Not only is that ridiculous, I find it offensive. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FRO

Re: Linus

1997-08-23 Thread Clint Adams
> pronunication of his name and of "Linux" when he speaks English! The 'i' like 'eye' and the 'u' like what? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: New Login

1997-08-23 Thread joost witteveen
> Hi, > > Does anyone know how to make the login program in bo disable echo sooner? > The login program from rex was quite a bit faster. Ie when I type in my > user/pass pair I usually do it all at once, during the first boot various > daemons are still swapping around so by the time it's got arou

[DSELECT] Gotchas Was: X installation calamity solved. Thank you!

1997-08-23 Thread Anand Kumria
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Joost Kooij wrote: > On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > you should not upgrade ssh when dselect or dpkg is running inside > > a ssh session. > > If anybody else knows of any more gotchas with dselect, I'd love to hear

Re: leadership and dissent

1997-08-23 Thread Clint Adams
> It's my job to weigh the developers arguments and make a decision when they > do not generate a clear consensus on their own. Note that my original proposal > was to tell the CD vendor to take a hike, and I was convinced by developer > argument to make changes to accomodate the CD vendor. That m

Rescue bootup and low-level maintenance (Was: X installation calamity solved. Thank you!)

1997-08-23 Thread Joost Kooij
On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: > 'single' still has many daemon processes running - you can do some > repair or maintainence work in single mode but you can't safely do an > fsck because the disks are mounted rw. > > some other tasks (like moving a filesystem from one partition to >

RE: debian-user needs a charter!

1997-08-23 Thread wb2oyc
On 20:25:44 Jim Pick wrote: > >Now it has been hijacked for use as a batteground for a flame-war. >Not good. > >Bruce, could you please write up something simple - perhaps stating that >debian-user is a "user support" list only, and that from now on, >political discussions should go to debian-de

RE: EtherLink III

1997-08-23 Thread wb2oyc
On 04:51:01 Matthew Tebbens wrote: >>Is anyone running Debian using an EtherLink III 3C589C pcmcia card ? >I'm looking for a module/support so I can use the card. > >Thanks, >Matthew > Matthew, Well, I use it on my old laptop but not running Debian. The laptop runs (of all Linux's :) Slakware

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Anand Kumria
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. [snip - a personal message inexcusably sent to a mailing list instead] > As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse for dialog from > debian-user.

Re: Release naming ...

1997-08-23 Thread Anand Kumria
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Richard G. Roberto wrote: > A while ago I posted my feelings on this to Debian private, > but it was _very_ ill received at the time. I'll restate it > now. Commercial products do not rename their OS every time > there's a bug fix! I sugg

Re: X installation calamity solved. Thank you!

1997-08-23 Thread Joost Kooij
On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Joost Kooij wrote: > > > I am currently working on a sort of HOWTO for dselect. It seems to > > be a good idea to include a separate section dedicated to possible x > > hassles. > > there's one other similar "gotcha" which i've r

[META] Re: Proposal: User list forking.

1997-08-23 Thread Anand Kumria
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: > Hello fellow Debian users. > > I propose that we fork the debian-user list such that there are one or two > lists whose content is limited to technical questions and answers. If we > had a debian-help list, we c

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Oliver Elphick
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, writes: >I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. ... > >As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse for dialog from >debian-user. What do you suggest I do, guys? > I wouldn't like to see someone dropped from the list altogether,

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Britton
> Show me the risk of a free venture. Show me the business orginazation, before > Debian Inc. was formed. Show me the money! There was none before, and that was > why what you just quoted would never have applied to the Debian maintainers. > They had no collective assests! Unfortunately, their pr

Re: Please help...

1997-08-23 Thread Oliver Elphick
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, writes: >Hi, I've just downloaded vubbs for Linux. I've extracted the installation >files to /vubbs as root. But my problem is when I try to run package (The >installation program) as root, bash says the file package does not exist. > I've tried running pac

Re: ppp-script problem,

1997-08-23 Thread Oliver Elphick
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, writes: > >my isp provider is my college, the dial-in pool does not automatically >run ppp after connection. Local address is assigned dynamically. I log >in (Username: Password are the login prompts), and type "ppp" on a prompt >(prompt is "your destina

Re: modem hangs after ppp??

1997-08-23 Thread Carey Evans
lc29b50 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I got my ppp script to connect to my isp, but some how after it runs ppp, > the modem hangs up. How do I fix this problem?? I want to maintain ppp > connection for more than a second.. Below are my script files, and the > /dev/adm/syslog of pppd: [snip]

Re: Qmail user alias

1997-08-23 Thread Carey Evans
"Bruno O. M. Simoes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm installing manually qmail. But I did it using Debian and got the same > problem - the diference is that in Debian you don't need to compile anything. > I'm reading step-by-step INSTALL and everything was fine. But in the first > test - to send

Re: [X] why does X kill my modem?

1997-08-23 Thread tko
Hello Bob, sounds like you need to re-do those IRQ's. Here's my setup: ttyS0 = disabled ttyS1 = IRQ 4 (mouse) ttys2 = disabled ttys3 = IRQ 2 (modem) I use IRQ 3 with my NE2000 network card, so COM 1 & 3 aren't used 8-) Bob Billson writes: > > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Tim Sailer wrote: > >> ttyS0 an

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
I think maybe he'll calm down now. But if he doesn't, I will put all of his messages in one daily digest. That way, he can have his say but the list won't be so noisy. Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.d

Re: swearing in the news groups

1997-08-23 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : Job requirements: somebody who's got a bit of tact and actually :enjoys abuse. And has lots of time to read all messages in the list. I can not keep up with the high volume of debian-user. I just try to read what I think I can help with.

X Windows on a PS/2

1997-08-23 Thread Zim9781
Hello, I have just installed the VGA 16 server, xbase fonts, x 75 fonts, and x base binaries. When it switches to graphics mode during setup it displays white stripes, then a big grey square taking up 2/3rds of my screen. When I press CTRL-ALT-BKSPC it exits, but the screen is a screwed up by dis

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Eloy A. Paris
I agree, violence brings more violence. I know there is no violence but I see that as a good analogy. Just do nothing. Things will calm down by itselves. E.- Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : The silent treatment. : : Issue a directive to the readers of the list to ignore them (at least whe

Re: killing a process

1997-08-23 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On 22 Aug 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > Hi, > > >>"Ricardo" == Ricardo Muggli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Ricardo> This may be off the debian-specific topic but.. I have a > > Ricardo> mirror process that has been going for a long time.

Re: Release naming ...

1997-08-23 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:42:21 -0400 (EDT), Richard G. Roberto wrote: > > >A while ago I posted my feelings on this to Debian private, > >but it was _very_ ill received at the time. I'll restate it > >now. Commercial products do not rename their OS every

Re: My final words on Debian Inc.

1997-08-23 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > > Until the copyright is assigned, they get the same international > > protection as any other copyright holder, and the work is still > > "theirs." > > > > As an anarchist, surely you understand that all property is a > > creature of the state that create

Re: Debian only like larger businesses

1997-08-23 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:15:00 +0200, Joost Kooij wrote: > > >I find it very hard to believe that Bruce is acting on himself. I > >firmly believe that his decisions are based upon serious discussions > >between many > > No developer has yet to post that the

Re: /usr/people/robertor/mail/junk

1997-08-23 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 lc29b50 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > my isp provider is my college, the dial-in pool does not automatically > run ppp after connection. Local address is assigned dynamically. I log > in (Username: Password are the login prompts), and type "ppp" on a prompt > (prompt is "yo

Linus

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
I finally met Linus Torvalds today. He loves living in the U.S. because the weather is so much nicer than Finland. He is using the American pronunication of his name and of "Linux" when he speaks English! Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supp

Re: X installation calamity solved. Thank you!

1997-08-23 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Joost Kooij wrote: > Yeah, this is a common problem. You should not upgrade x with dselect > when running it in an xterm. Actually, I believe to have seen it once, > somewhere in some documentation, but I can't remember where. Maybe I > just remember it from neing mentioned on

Re: swearing in the news groups

1997-08-23 Thread Jim Pick
> > I'm also sorry to see that this situation has driven our fearless leader > > to echo profanities. Time for another beer, I guess. :-) > > And yesterday I promised someone who said he was from from a strict Baptist > neighborhood that I would refrain from swearing in the groups. Sigh. I'm >

Re: SPI & Debian incorporation

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On 22 Aug 1997 12:24:04 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >Hi, >>>"Fire" == Fire Brand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Fire> I have to admit that I like 1.3.1 or 1.3.2 (or even 1.3.2.1) >Fire> better than 1.3.r1-fruit-files_your_mom.another-minor-change. > > The last bit is a wee bit of FUD. >

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On 22 Aug 1997 13:41:07 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > If you do not think that the discussion came to a conclusion > (BTW, Bruce did shift from his original proposal), then the proper > forum is debian-devel. I did not see your s=comments there. Nobody is > squashing dissent. All we are

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:32:30 +0800, Dima wrote: >OK Dave, here's a fresh one for you: remember LiGNUx? Here's what >made him do that: > >> Note that FSF is the same kind of corporation, a non-profit with a 501(c)3. And? -

swearing in the news groups

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
> I'm also sorry to see that this situation has driven our fearless leader > to echo profanities. Time for another beer, I guess. :-) And yesterday I promised someone who said he was from from a strict Baptist neighborhood that I would refrain from swearing in the groups. Sigh. I'm not perfect,

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 97 21:49 PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: >I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. > >> From bruce Fri Aug 22 00:39:12 1997 >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: you and debian-user >> Reply-To: Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Paul and Dave, >>

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Jim Pick
> I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. > > > From bruce Fri Aug 22 00:39:12 1997 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: you and debian-user > > Reply-To: Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Paul and Dave, > > > > When I return from the i386 ABI mee

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:12:48 CDT, Rick Hawkins wrote: > >Dave Cinege wrote, > >> Yes you have. I'm saying the work done be the people outside the US is now >> asscoiated with a US entity. It's not 'theirs' anymore, while it is in the >> US. > >this is not true, in any sense of the word. The dif

Re: Proxy Server and firewall?

1997-08-23 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Batista, M. wrote: > Hello, > > What is the best software for connect my LAN to the Internet?. > Current i have Socks, but i would like to know others. With linux I like to use a combination of Socks5, Squid, QMail, TIS Firewall Toolkit (FWTK), named and IP Masqueradin

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Paul Serice
> BTW, when's the last time you sat down and read some statues from > your state? (Or all 50 as you claim?) The last time I read the long-arm statute for my state was about 3 weeks ago. Furthermore, anyone who knows anything about personal jurisdiction will tell you that all 50 states have long-

Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: [snip] > As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse for dialog from > debian-user. What do you suggest I do, guys? I suggest that you ask Pete Templin to remove Dave from the debian-user mailing list. Syrus. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Dave Cinege and Paul Wade

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. > From bruce Fri Aug 22 00:39:12 1997 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: you and debian-user > Reply-To: Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Paul and Dave, > > When I return from the i386 ABI meeting tomorrow, I woul

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:57:29 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Paul Serice writes: >> > Suppose, Bruce is "going to drive tomorrow to Santa Cruz (from >> > Berkeley) to participate in a meeting for Debian," and on the way >> > he causes an accident. Before incorporation, n

Re: Exim-error: What does this mean?

1997-08-23 Thread Christoph Lameter
/etc/aliases must not be group or world writable and be owned by the correct user. In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: : Can somebody help me to configure my exim please. There was no : responses after a previous request. : I have a dialup ppp-connection to an ISP. Incoming mail works wit

Re: inetd.tab/exim

1997-08-23 Thread Christoph Lameter
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: : The exim package aparently doesn't add a line in the inetd.tab to load : exim. What should I have in this file? File a bug against the smail package. It does not clean up inetd.conf on deinstallation. Exim will not overwrite an existing configured maile

Re: Debian only like larger businesses

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On 22 Aug 1997 12:03:43 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >Hi, > > For the record: The official CD is not an independent action > on part of Bruce Perenes, all the developers (which is another way of > saying Debian) decided that it was a Good Thing. I am getting tired > of people singling out

Re: Anarchy! Yes, Anarchy!

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:34:41 +0200 (MET DST), E.L. Meijer \(Eric\) wrote: >> >> This is why there have ben how many changes to 1.3.1, and it's still called 1.3.1? > >That is an error you can criticize. It was not done on purpose, and >therefore you cannot claim it is a severe flaw in the policy.

Re: Debian only like larger businesses

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:48:30 -0700 (PDT), George Bonser wrote: >> Sorry, Bruce, but this is baloney! I have private email from you on both >> occasions when the archive changed without a release number change. The >> first time you said it was bad release engineering and would look into it. >> The

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 97 20:48 PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> It may not. An employee is working under the supervision of the >> corporation: he's "just following orders". The corporation is presumed to >> be checking his work, so if his screwups get out it is held liable. Can you

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Paul Serice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Paul Serice writes: > > Suppose, Bruce is "going to drive tomorrow to Santa Cruz (from > > Berkeley) to participate in a meeting for Debian," and on the way > > he causes an accident. Before incorporation, no one knew how far > > the liability tail extended. > > Are

Re: Debian only like larger businesses

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:15:00 +0200, Joost Kooij wrote: > >I find it very hard to believe that Bruce is acting on himself. I firmly >believe that his decisions are based upon serious discussions between >many No developer has yet to post that the new 'policy' of backlogging rev numbers was dis

Re: shielding from liability

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > It may not. An employee is working under the supervision of the > corporation: he's "just following orders". The corporation is presumed to > be checking his work, so if his screwups get out it is held liable. Can you > argue that the maintainers are acting under your co

My final words on Debian Inc.

1997-08-23 Thread Dave Cinege
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 12:21:26 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: >> Yes you have. I'm saying the work done be the people outside the US >> is now asscoiated with a US entity. It's not 'theirs' anymore, >> while it is in the US. > >O.k., I think I see where you're coming from. That's just not the >way it wo

Re: killing a process

1997-08-23 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Oliver Elphick wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, writes: > > According to Maurice J. Bach in "Design of the Unix Operating System": `The > kernel checks for receipt of a signal when a process is about to return > from kernel mode to user mode and when it enters or le

leadership and dissent

1997-08-23 Thread Bruce Perens
> They prefered to have an elected executive From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clint Adams) > As did I. However, I think it's slightly stretching the point to claim > that "we, the developers" decided something which was an executive decision > following a developer discussion with no clear consensus. It

Re: killing a process

1997-08-23 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 22 Aug 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Ricardo" == Ricardo Muggli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ricardo> This may be off the debian-specific topic but.. I have a > Ricardo> mirror process that has been going for a long time. I would > Ricardo> like to kill it but it seems to be rea

New Login

1997-08-23 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
Hi, Does anyone know how to make the login program in bo disable echo sooner? The login program from rex was quite a bit faster. Ie when I type in my user/pass pair I usually do it all at once, during the first boot various daemons are still swapping around so by the time it's got around to displa

Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian

1997-08-23 Thread Michael Hill
On Aug 21, 10:04pm, David Puryear wrote: > Since this is going around in a "circle," please lets all drop it. > Has anyone else noticed a lot of noise on this list lately from people with technical questions? Would it be too much to ask for them to move to their own list? -- Michael Hill Toront

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