Re: Difference between emacs23-gtk and emacs-snapshot packages

2009-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Microsoft Internet Exploder. -- George Bonser Manoj Srivastava <http://www.golden-gryphon.com/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-emacsen-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe".

Re: ITP: emacs.app -- The GNU Emacs editor on GNUstep

2008-08-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
means that there is no more nor less a disruption when a new flavor of Emacs comes along (as a result of a new upstream major release). I must be missing the rationale why this is a bad idea. manoj -- Please forgive me if, in the heat of battle, I sometimes forget which side I'

Re: Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs

2008-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
t t nil))) ;; Sites should not disable this. Only individuals should disable ;; the startup screen. (setq inhibit-startup-screen nil) --8<---cut here---end--->8--- -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROT

Re: Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs

2008-07-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
(add-to-list 'load-path "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/") (defconst debian-emacs-flavor 'emacs22) (load "debian-startup") (debian-startup 'emacs-snapshot This seems to work fine, with just a single invocation. manoj --

Re: New DFSG-compliant emacs packages

2006-10-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
t;I used to jog, but the ice kept bouncing out of my glass." Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New DFSG-compliant emacs packages

2006-10-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
like to see Debian ever shipping wetware either. manoj -- A girl's conscience doesn't really keep her from doing anything wrong-- it merely keeps her from enjoying it. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New DFSG-compliant emacs packages

2006-10-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:25:02 +0200, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:20:15 +0200, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> said: >> >>> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PR

Re: New DFSG-compliant emacs packages

2006-10-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
port our users desire to use non-free software like GNU documentation, but we are commited to all our users, including ones who still need to use non-free materials. manoj -- Indifference will certainly be the downfall of mankind, but who cares? Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: New DFSG-compliant emacs packages

2006-10-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:20:15 +0200, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:53:14 +0200, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> said: >> >>> You did not answer my questio

Re: New DFSG-compliant emacs packages

2006-10-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
red, there was the private Debian FSF discussion on the GFDL, and then there is the debian-project mailing list (where discussion of the GFDL is more on topic than this list). manoj -- QOTD: "Who? Me? No, no, NO!! But I do sell rugs." Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New DFSG-compliant emacs packages

2006-10-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
this question: what freedom of the user is > protected by removing GFDLed documentation from Emacs? I hope that helps. manoj -- A bird in the hand is dead. -- Rhonda Boozer Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 49

Re: New DFSG-compliant emacs packages

2006-10-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
rks -- pr else the GPL would have applied to everything. I am not sure what the problem is about removing non-free bits from the aggregated bundle and retaining only the free bits? manoj -- The world is no nursery. Sigmund Freud Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://ww

Re: Gnus Manual License

2006-10-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:09:49 +0200, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:34:13 +0200, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> said: >> >>> If I were in the position of a

Re: Gnus Manual License

2006-10-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
xts would not be a violation of the social contract. manoj -- It destroys one's nerves to be amiable every day to the same human being. Benjamin Disraeli Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B

Re: Gnus Manual License

2006-10-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
At this point, however, individual beliefs are not relevant any more; the project has collectively made the decision already (and cover texts lost); and it would take another collective decision to revert it. manoj -- I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL

Bug#364609: O: Gnus -- A versatile News and mailing list reader for Emacsen.

2006-04-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
evil, and man needs roots. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: schedules Gnus releases

2006-04-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 4 Apr 2006, Miles Bader stated: > Gnus 5.11 is the "Gnus in the Emacs tree" (i.e., it already exists). > No Gnus will be Gnus 5.12 when it's released. > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> OK. So should I just give Gnus a version consistent wi

Re: schedules Gnus releases

2006-04-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 4 Apr 2006, Peter S. Galbraith stated: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Upstream is planning on releasing Gnus 5.10.8, and No Gnus >> version 0.4, in a couple of days. I am soliciting comments on how >> Gnus packaging should be done for Debian.

Re: schedules Gnus releases

2006-04-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 4 Apr 2006, Aaron M. Ucko told this: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> So, we have either forcing people running Sid's Gnus to downgrade >> from No Gnus 0.3+ to 5.10.8, of ship an unreleased version and >> complicate versioning for futur

schedules Gnus releases

2006-04-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
or at least before etch, and then etch would release is Gnus 5.11. manoj -- OS/2 must die! Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAI

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ense, to make things >> clear. Bah. > > I think it a safe bet that the FSF and the GNU project do not > consider Debian an upstream authority for their notion of what > constitutes freedom. Likewise. manoj -- Do you have exactly what I want in a plaid p

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
e software, and you should remove it, too. Err, the _software_ sure can. I can use make, even if the software documentation is non-free -- so I am not seeing where you are coming from. manoj [0] The plural of anecdote is not data. -- brokee, n: Someone who buys stocks on the adv

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
rying to dictate how we conduct our business. The final call lies wth the project membership, and they have opted to act in a manner which, while it may be displeasing to you, seems right for us. manoj -- "The Nazis have no sense of humor, so why should they want television?" Phi

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
e want to provide for free, and freely, to our users is preaching, well, you are entitled to your opinion. Ranting at the people who are providing such a service may be boorish, but is your right. My attention is not. manoj -- What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silenc

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 24 Mar 2006, Miles Bader said: > 2006/3/25, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Well, users, and developers, who disagree with our principles can >> still get the non-fee documentation by adding one line to their apt >> sources list. If you, as a developer or

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
o separate packages; I have mentioned the use cases earlier in this mail. The availability to users is only modestly compromised -- it is still available, from debian machines, maintained by debian developers, adhering to debian policy and quality control, to the end user. manoj -- &qu

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
s mail. The availability to users is only modestly compromised -- it is still available, from debian machines, maintained by debian developers, adhering to debian policy and quality control, to the end user. manoj -- "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as yo

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 24 Mar 2006, Thien-Thi Nguyen verbalised: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> It also seems to be the norm for documentation that seems to >> be coming from the GNU project, so I think my take on this is >> correct -- _ALL_ those documents

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 23 Mar 2006, Hubert Chan told this: > On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:45:50 -0600, Manoj Srivastava > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> The info file is a derived file; the source is make.texi. The >> preferred form for modification is the texi file, which is non >> free. >

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
e free is irrelevant; since the source .texi file can not be in Debian. manoj -- When Marriage is Outlawed, Only Outlaws will have Inlaws. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
nvariant. Anyway, while not in Debian, the non-free section hosted on debian machines continues to have make-doc. People who care so much about the non-free docs may pick them up from the non-free section. The same shall be true for Gnus non-free documentation shortly. manoj

Re: [rant] Re: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ner feel compelled to package non-free >> software? > > Why should he feel compelled to package anything at all? To be honest, I don't feel compelled, no. I just happen to be packaging them for a while now. manoj -- The Law of the Letter: The best way to in

Re: Bug#207932: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

2006-03-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ocumentation on all machines. manoj -- Positive, adj.: Mistaken at the top of one's voice. Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 92

Re: New mirrors for my Emacs arch archive: mi...@gnu.org--gnu-2005

2005-09-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
-file --multibyte -f batch-byte-compile-if-not-done $$el;\ done in the rules file, but always there was something else that would fail. Am I missing something simple? manoj -- I think we're in trouble. Han Solo Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.

Re: Build Emacs packages from CVS with emacs-snapshot?

2005-08-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
rcecontrol.net/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- Don't let your mouth write no check that your tail can't cash. Bo Diddley Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIB

Re: CVS Gnus packages ?

2005-08-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
If not, I upload this somewhat tested version to unstable. I also entertain occasional requests to refresh the Sid version. manoj -- Seeing danger where there is no danger, and not seeing danger where there is, by holding to wrong views people go to a bad rebirth. 317 Man

Re: CVS Gnus packages ?

2005-08-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ire epochs. manoj -- Volley Theory: It is better to have lobbed and lost than never to have lobbed at all. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Some XEmacs issues and proposals

2005-06-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
I would also much rather Gnus did not developer a native ./debian directory on its own either ;-) manoj -- The Phone Booth Rule: A lone dime always gets the number nearly right. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024D/BF244

Re: Re Re Xemacs needs help

2004-03-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:27:36 -0800, Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:33:49 -0800, Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> said: >> >>> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Re Re Xemacs needs help

2004-03-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:33:49 -0800, Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:41:45 -0800, Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> said: >> >>> Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g

Re: Re Re Xemacs needs help

2004-03-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:43:05 +0100, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: >> On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 02:37:34 -0600, Manoj Srivastava >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to debian-emacsen: >> >This severity is *designed* to allow pac

Re: Re Xemacs needs help

2004-03-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 01 Mar 2004 12:37:28 +0200, debian said: > On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 02:37:34 -0600, Manoj Srivastava > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted to debian-emacsen: >> This severity is *designed* to allow packages to live in unstable >> that should not yet go into testing. > But t

Re: Re Xemacs needs help

2004-03-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
on of the Serious severity? serious is a severe violation of Debian policy (that is, it violates a "must" or "required" directive), or, in the package maintainer's opinion, makes the package unsuitable for release. This severity is *designed* to allow p

Re: Xemacs needs help

2004-02-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
to keep it out of testing? manoj -- "Most of us, when all is said and done, like what we like and make up reasons for it afterwards." Soren F. Petersen Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68

Re: News from the emacs-snapshot packaging

2003-12-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:57:10 -0500, Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Why can't the flavour and its version be detected from the >> >> /etc/emacs/site-start.d file, and things loaded (or n

Re: News from the emacs-snapshot packaging

2003-12-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:25:50 -0500, Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:23:18 -0500, Peter S Galbraith >> > <[EM

Re: News from the emacs-snapshot packaging

2003-12-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:28:52 +0100, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Umm, why would they be incompatible? When there is an emacs22, it >> shall have a flavour of emacs22, and the gnus install shall, if the >&

Re: News from the emacs-snapshot packaging

2003-12-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
but the booze is holding out. Computer translation of "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: some emacs package mucking in /usr/local/

2003-08-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
manoj -- The minute a man is convinced that he is interesting, he isn't. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Should directory of unvompiled elisp file be added to load-path

2003-08-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
n to bloat the archives with yet another -el package, especially since the packages ship with all the required .el files anyway. manoj -- Xerox does it again and again and again and ... Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
debian-emacsen list in case any Debian Emacs > > hacker wants to adopt it. > And I am CC'ing that list to see if anyone can shed any light on this issue. manoj -- Term, holidays, term, holidays, till

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-06-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
of the ordinary. manoj still looking for compelling numbers -- A group of politicians deciding to dump a President because his morals are bad is like the Mafia getting together to bump off the Godfather for not going to church on Sunday. Russell Baker Manoj Srivastava <[EMAI

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-06-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
how long it takes? manoj -- Ferguson's Precept: A crisis is when you can't say "let's forget the whole thing." Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-06-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:41:50 +0200, Kai Großjohann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> getting irritated at unsubstantiated accusations > I apologize. Apology accepted, and in turn, I apologize for being snippy. I really

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-06-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:41:07 -0400, Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:40:47 +0200, Kai Großjohann >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> > But the situation that Emacs s

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-06-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:36:22 +0200, Kai Großjohann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I really have not seen the benefit of this split. If I have stuff >> under /etc I am takling care of anyway, I would rather not spend &g

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-06-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
of a more ergodic zone. Stanislaw Lem, "Cyberiad" Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-06-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:45:51 +0200, Kai Großjohann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Sure. Autoloads don't count as configuration in my book either. If >> that's all you need, then putting the script outside of /etc i

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-06-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:40:24 +0200, Kai Großjohann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> A, this is against policy; users need to be able to modify _all_ >> configuration matter. > But it is not configuration matter. It is sim

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-05-20 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 19 May 2003 22:15:48 -0400, Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Then you better start getting policy changed. >> >> > You mean emacs-policy? That's not such a big thing, is it? &g

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-05-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 19 May 2003 20:04:14 -0400, Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Fri, 16 May 2003 11:54:52 -0400, Peter S Galbraith >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > Simon Josefsson <[EMAIL PROT

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 16 May 2003 23:29:31 +0200, Simon Josefsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Fri, 16 May 2003 16:37:39 +0200, Simon Josefsson >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >>> One solution would be to mod

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
to something called "site" seems confusing to me, >> Emacs uses that term for site local modifications. > I like the idea. Then you better start getting policy changed. manoj -- Never confuse motion with action. -- Benjamin Franklin Manoj Srivastava <[E

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
y. You should not need to create policy to enumerate bugs. Not noticing that the package is removed is a bug; not preserving user changes to files under /etc is a bug; we do not need to bloat policy with a list of all possible bugs. manoj -- Correspondence Corollary: An experime

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ead never return to life haven't ever been around here at quitting time. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Bug#193439: emacsen-common: debian-emacs-policy and package setup in conffile

2003-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
are, "As You Like It" Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: FYI: GNU Emacs Manual to be moved to non-free

2003-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 16 May 2003 05:07:49 -0400, Thien-Thi Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What else did you think was going on? If you truly believe that > all these people got together out of selfless altruism, I truly >

Re: FYI: GNU Emacs Manual to be moved to non-free

2003-05-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 16 May 2003 03:09:27 -0400, Thien-Thi Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sorry. Those who do the work make the decisions. While we have > all agreed to put the needs of our users high on the list; > ultimately

Re: FYI: GNU Emacs Manual to be moved to non-free

2003-05-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
What did you expect, a free lunch? manoj -- "This generation may be the one that will face Armageddon." Ronald Reagan, "People" magazine, December 26, 1985 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9

Re: FYI: GNU Emacs Manual to be moved to non-free

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 14 May 2003 19:04:23 -0400, Thien-Thi Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Some of the my most cherished expressions of my creativity are > the code that I write. I am appreciative of the mellifluous > cadenc

Re: FYI: GNU Emacs Manual to be moved to non-free

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
at is how free is defined for all of debian; so I don't see how your statement can be correct. manoj -- I never pray before meals -- my mom's a good cook. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68

Re: FYI: GNU Emacs Manual to be moved to non-free

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 14 May 2003 12:29:18 -0400, Thien-Thi Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Funny. Seems to me that demanding libr=E9 documentation keeps to > the spirit of freedom of software; rather than insisting parts > of s

Re: FYI: GNU Emacs Manual to be moved to non-free

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ble and unremovable. Please join -legal if you think you have valid arguments on this issue; sniping at debian on unrelated mailing lists is not helpful. manoj -- Household hint: If you are out of cream for your coffee, mayonnaise makes a dandy substitute. Manoj Srivastava

Re: FYI: GNU Emacs Manual to be moved to non-free

2003-05-14 Thread Manoj Srivastava
searching for something you don't already know, your fingers could walk themselves to death. Erma Bombeck Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: debian's gnus package older than its emacs builtin gnus?

2002-12-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Dan" == Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>>> "M" == Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dan> What is the justification for a standalone package for gnus if one Dan> need emacs to run gnus, and that emacs has a new

Re: debian's gnus package older than its emacs builtin gnus?

2002-12-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"DG" == D Goel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DG> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> [Manoj's information on gnus package] DG> hm, here's another confused emacs user. I had been "careful" to not DG> "apt-get

Re: debian's gnus package older than its emacs builtin gnus?

2002-12-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
The stand alone Gnus is more intelligent; itshall not install on emacs21. Dan> Anyway, am I safe to apt-get remove gnus? Will it actually freshen my Dan> gnus? Yes. No. manoj -- "We don't have to protect the environment -- the Second Coming

Re: It's Huntin' Season

2002-02-13 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ple are not actually reading policy documents. manoj -- "When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become president; I'm beginning to believe it." Clarence Darrow Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C72610

ucf 0.02 uploaded to incoming (preserve user changes in config files)

2002-02-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, As promised, this is now available. manoj == Package: ucf Version: 0.02 Section: utils Priority: optional Architecture: all Installed-Size: 120 Maintainer: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: It's Huntin' Season

2002-02-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ow we can have an option in this new conf file that Jeff> looks something like this, Jeff> "import-the-relevant-conf-options-from-dpkg.cfg" Patches are always welcome. manoj -- Like a fine flower, beautiful to look at and scented too, fine words bear

Re: It's Huntin' Season

2002-02-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
s, to the great calamity of the inhabitants. A seventeenth century opinion quoted by L. L. Woodruff, in *The Evolution of Earth and Man*, 1929 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 102

Re: It's Huntin' Season

2002-02-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
gt; You can't ignore one policy in favor of another. Emacs Policy Adam> extends Debian Policy, it doesn't subplant it. yeah, yeah. Either provide some basis for this, or get this off the list. manoj -- "There is a coherent plan in the universe, though I don

Re: It's Huntin' Season

2002-02-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
reason are alike destitute of value. Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: It's Huntin' Season

2002-02-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ity: a thing that begins at home and usually stays there. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: It's Huntin' Season

2002-02-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
uration DGMS> files. Can't do that, by definition of what a configuration file is. manoj getting irritated now -- Before Xerox, five carbons were the maximum extension of anybody's ego. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: It's Huntin' Season

2002-02-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ry, Schmivalry! Roger the thief has a method he uses for sneaky attacks: Folks who are reading are Characteristically Always Forgetting to Guard their own bac ... Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: Protecting user changes in developer scripts handled files

2002-02-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
: updateConfFile updateConfFile.1 Description: manual page -- I'm EMOTIONAL now because I have MERCHANDISING CLOUT!! Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 49

Re: It's Huntin' Season

2002-02-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
place in /etc do questions arise. manoj -- Political history is far too criminal a subject to be a fit thing to teach children. W.H. Auden Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: It's Huntin' Season

2002-02-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Nicolas" == Nicolas Boullis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Nicolas> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:53:38PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> FUD. Asking a question to recover from a broken package does >> not mean an unsmooth upgrade. Indeed, merely treating th

Re: Protecting user changes in developer scripts handled files

2002-02-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
proportional to the stupidity of your action. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Protecting user changes in developer scripts handled files

2002-02-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
escription: manual page for the script -- "I'm not a god, I was misquoted." Lister, Red Dwarf Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F27

Re: Support for multiple installed versions of a program.

2002-02-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
manage the info files as well. manoj -- Kids, the seven basic food groups are GUM, PUFF PASTRY, PIZZA, PESTICIDES, ANTIBIOTICS, NUTRA-SWEET and MILK DUDS!! Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4

Re: A flaw in current emacsen package setup?

2002-01-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
If this were true, you would be correct. Emacs20 still exists, and I am not sure how the Xemacsen behave. manoj -- The longer the title, the less important the job. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print

Re: It's Huntin' Season

2002-01-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
x27;t really mark them as conffiles, now, can I? However, if files are shipped in /etc, they _have_ to be marked as conffiles, I think. manoj -- You ain't learning nothing when you're talking. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esr

Re: A flaw in current emacsen package setup?

2002-01-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Sounds good to me. manoj -- "It says he made us all to be just like him. So if we're dumb, then god is dumb, and maybe even a little ugly on the side." Frank Zappa Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 10

Re: Bug#130653: gnus: info is not accessible from menu

2002-01-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
e in this bug report shall continue to affect us. manoj -- Life begins at the centerfold and expands outward. Miss November, 1966 Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/> 1024R/C7261095 print CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C

Re: How to change default fon in Emacs21

2002-01-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
ne that cane with Emacs Samuli> package and b) not mangle my package management. # Nightly CVS Oort debs deb http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/ packages/ deb-src http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/ packages/source/ -- So many beautiful women and so little time. John Barrymore Manoj Sriva

Re: How to change default fon in Emacs21

2002-01-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
for what then shall remain? Abscissas, some mantissas, modules, modes, A root or two, a torus and a node: The inverse of my verse, a null domain. I see the eigenvalue in thine eye, I hear the tender tensor in thy sigh. Bernoulli would have been content to die Had he but known such a-squared

Re: A flaw in current emacsen package setup?

2001-12-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
st that ;-) In which case, maintainers can edit any internal load-path modification to go through emacsen-pkg-add-path as well. manoj -- Cynic, n.: One who looks through rose-colored glasses with a jaundiced eye. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.debian

A flaw in current emacsen package setup?

2001-12-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
uot;/usr/share/emacs/21.1/lisp/toolbar" "/usr/share/emacs/21.1/lisp/textmodes" "/usr/share/emacs/21.1/lisp/progmodes" "/usr/share/emacs/21.1/lisp/play" "/usr/share/emacs/21.1/lisp/obsolete" "/usr/share/emacs/21.1/lisp/net" "/usr/sha

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