Re: Age of built packages to be part of the jessie release?

2014-11-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 03:36:36PM +, Neil Williams wrote: > (arm64 & ppc64el are both release arches for Jessie but FTBFS in > packages which have never built on either of those are not RC.) To be exact, FTBFS in a package on an architecture for which it is not *currently* built is not RC. I

Re: New pre-depends: python pre-depends python-minimal

2014-11-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 03:29:29PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Sunday, November 23, 2014 13:41:47 Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > As I understand the situation, that won't solve your problem. > > > > If python pre-depends on python-minimal (and the rest of the depe

Re: Bug#752450: ftp.debian.org: please consider to strongly tighten the validity period of Release files

2014-12-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 04:55:55AM +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Sat, 2014-11-22 at 11:42 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Except that if a firewall "protects" a user from using their printer > > (random example, not sure how likely) > Well most security

Re: DE features dependent on Systemd

2014-12-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 03:02:51PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > The default should be safe. No. The default should be as safe as we can make it without becoming inconvenient. As long as we still support non-logind configurations (and I believe we still do at this point), having the first use

Re: motd handling in jessie

2015-02-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 08:18:33PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Josh Triplett writes: > > > Please, no. Under normal circumstances, the only dynamic bit of the > > motd comes from uname, and only changes on reboot; updating it via cron > > just wastes cycles and adds noise to syslog. > > > I'm

Re: conflicts between Debian's and upstream's Debian package

2015-02-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:48:02PM -0800, Cameron Norman wrote: >El vie, 20 de feb 2015 a las 12:04 , Harald Dunkel >escribió: > >Hi folks, > >I would like to use upstream's Debian/Ubuntu packages for a certain >tool 'foo'. Its closer to what I need, and I don't have migrate

Re: jessie for x32

2015-02-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 03:56:20AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > Hi folks! > Here's some news about the x32 port. I'm trying a different approach: > instead of using only packages uploaded by their {,non-}maintainers, as on > ftp.debian-ports.org which tracks unstable, I'm using a separate reposit

Re: jessie for x32

2015-02-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 03:32:12PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 03:20:46PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 03:56:20AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > Here's some news about the x32 port. I'm trying a different appr

Re: setlocale doesn't change the language. Why?

2015-03-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 01:27:21PM +, Joerg Desch wrote: > Hi. > > I'm running Debian Squezze on a small AMD Geode based embedded PC. I need > to use the gettext library independend from the system wide language > settings to toggle the language for strings only. > > On my PC, the test runs

Re: Debian Installer Jessie RC 2 release

2015-03-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
This is really a question for -user, but... On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 07:13:49PM -0500, kongo sec wrote: > This may sound completely n00b. But this is my first time trying out Debian > RC  > release...how do I update from RC1? This is an RC of the _installer_, not Debian as a whole, so unless you'

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:18:50AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 05:14, Fabian Greffrath wrote: > > I am curious why the aptitude package still has Priority: standard, i.e. > > why it is installed next to apt in each and every Debian installation? > > > > Ap

Re: Debian Archive architecture removals

2015-05-13 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 11:39:29AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > On Wed, 6 May 2015 18:18:34 +0800 > Paul Wise wrote: > > > On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Neil Williams wrote: > > > > > You've admitted that the port cannot keep pace because it needs > > > changes to be made by maintainers who d

Re: please use signed git commits (and tags)

2015-05-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 02:54:53PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 10:33:06AM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 09:51:41AM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: > > > On Sunday 24 May 2015 13:02:38 Thomas Koch wrote: > > > > Git supports signing of commits since vers

Re: Bits from the Stable Release Managers

2015-05-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 08:47:43PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 19:42:48 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > > On 25/05/15 18:24, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: > > > On Sunday 24 May 2015 21:27:47 Adam D. Barratt wrote: > > > [snip] > > >> Due to the way that th

Re: git and https

2015-05-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:38:06AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > > While we're on the subject of git security...should we stop > > recommending that non-account-holders use git:// (most efficient, but > > insecure against MITM unless you manually check the commit number) in > > preference to https:

Re: Bits from the Stable Release Managers

2015-05-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:37:09PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst , 2015-05-27, 10:12: > >Maybe dak should refuse uploads of a _$arch.changes file that does not > >refer to any _$arch.deb files with an appropriate error message? Then this > >isn't an issue

Re: git and https

2015-05-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:20:03PM +0100, Rebecca N. Palmer wrote: > >Why? Which attack do you envision[...]that would > >be thwarted by https but not by signed commits? > I don't; I see https as easier and hence more likely to actually get used in > practice. Well, on that we disagree then, I sup

Re: git and https

2015-05-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:30:58AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Wouter Verhelst > > > - Most importantly, you need to configure your webserver and SSL library > > so it disables outdated protocol versions, enables newer secure > > protocol versions (doin

Re: Bits from the Stable Release Managers

2015-05-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 11:28:38AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Wouter Verhelst (2015-05-27): > > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 08:47:43PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > > > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 19:42:48 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > > > > > > On 25/05/

Facilitating external repositories

2015-06-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, At $DAYJOB, I'm maintaining a few repositories with ready-to-install packages for a number of distributions[1] Currently, the instructions[2] say to do the following: - Download and install an "eid-archive" package, which contains the GPG keys and generates a sources.list.d file for the rep

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 09:10:56AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > At $DAYJOB, I'm maintaining a few repositories with ready-to-install > > packages for a number of distributions[1] > > > > Currently, the instructions[2] say to do the follo

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Chris, On Sat, Jun 06, 2015 at 11:49:21PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: > Hey, Wouter. > > On 06/04/2015 12:18 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Hi, > > > > At $DAYJOB, I'm maintaining a few repositories with ready-to-install > > packages for a number of di

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jun 06, 2015 at 01:48:12PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Brian May wrote: > > > the software is far to volatile (e.g. important bug fixes on a weekly basis) > > We have a place for such software: experimental > > > I don't want old versions hanging around any

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jun 07, 2015 at 07:43:30PM +0200, Bálint Réczey wrote: > I think this situation still allows maintaining the packages in > Debian, when (if ever) your contract ends and you don't want to > maintain the packages in your free time you can orphan the packages. > The next maintainer could adopt

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-06-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jun 07, 2015 at 11:30:01AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > On Sun, Jun 07, 2015 at 11:08:36AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 09:10:56AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > > > If that's not an option for some reason, then given that the packages

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-06-09 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 09:12:51AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Wouter Verhelst > > > Having said that, I do agree with you that we should not allow just > > about anyone to create a repository which will be automatically trusted > > by the whole Debian system. E

Re: libre version of iceweasel

2015-06-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:40:45AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 09, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > open question: is there a perceived need to dig into the source code > > of firefox and, just as was done with google-chrome to create > > chromium-browser, permanently patch out c

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-06-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:38:29PM +0200, Bálint Réczey wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > 2015-06-07 23:31 GMT+02:00 Wouter Verhelst : > > On Sun, Jun 07, 2015 at 07:43:30PM +0200, Bálint Réczey wrote: > >> I think this situation still allows maintaining the packages in > >

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-06-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:08:35AM +0200, Alexandre Detiste wrote: > Le vendredi 12 juin 2015, 00:59:51 Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:38:29PM +0200, Bálint Réczey wrote: > > > I see eid-mw is built on for i386 and amd64, while I assume it would &g

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-06-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Bálint, On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:19:30AM +0200, Bálint Réczey wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > 2015-06-12 0:59 GMT+02:00 Wouter Verhelst : > > > > - I don't want to have to deal with doing a maven build in a Debian > > package. If you see what the packages' deb

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-06-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 10:48:35AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > For the latter, it is usually possible to supply a link to a ".repo" > > file; for all of those distributions, tools exist to automagically >

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 07:40:28PM +0200, Jan Gloser wrote: > It would be really nice if we didn't have to care about money at all. Let's > say > you would make software and give it for free. If you needed a house, you would > go to someone who specializes in that and he would build the house for

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 02:10:08PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > Perhaps we could run everything in $PATH in virtual machines and log > all network beyond localhost. I look forward to not reading your emails anymore ;-P (or did I misunderstand something?) -- It is easy to love a country that is fam

Re: The Spirit of Free Software, or The Reality

2015-07-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 02:34:41PM +0900, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 01:09:47PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > > > FUD is easy. How about documenting yourself on how Safe browsing > > > actually works? Hint: urls are _never_

Re: dgit: all users of dgit << 0.30 please upgrade

2015-07-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 06:00:32PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > * I am going to move the git repositories. The old version of dgit >will stop working when I do. In that case, and seen as how -devel is not a must-read mailinglist, maybe this is more appropriate for -devel-announce? -- It is

Re: dgit: all users of dgit << 0.30 please upgrade

2015-07-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:36:13AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: dgit: all users of dgit << 0.30 please upgrade"): > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 06:00:32PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > * I am going to move the git repositories. The

Re: Ad-hoc survey of existing Debian git integration tools

2015-07-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 05:46:15PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I would like to think some more about the workflows of the existing > tools people are using to work with Debian and git, so that I can > provide good guidance for how these tools work with dgit (and perhaps > send feature requests for

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-07-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
So, I've been giving this some more thought, and have tried to write a spec, but then found that... On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 05:03:15PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > https://lists.debian.org/deity/2014/01/msg00055.html ...this (and the discussion following it) actually seems fairly close to what my

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-07-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:03:15PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Facilitating external repositories"): > > - It may be GPG-signed by one or more keys. Apt should have a way of > > configuring GPG keys that may be allowed to sign sources.list fi

Re: Trouble making an ITP

2015-07-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 08:31:55AM +0200, Marcin M. wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to package (and maintain) a small and old game called Down!, written > in Ruby/SDL [1]. I sent an ITP using reportbug -B debian wnpp (since I'm using > Mint 17.2), filled it out. I was to receive a confirmation but got n

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 07:27:21PM +0200, David Kalnischkies wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:14:21AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > - Apt will try to download it from a default location in the repository > > (or perhaps a location specified in the deb822 sources.list fi

Re: Adding support for LZIP to dpkg, using that instead of xz, archive wide

2015-08-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:30:12AM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > Incredible, Debian does no longer adopt to the world of free software > (not opensource) :( I wonder how RMS feels about this? Regardless of whether the removed quote was correctly representing the opinion of the Debian project, I f

Re: Facilitating external repositories

2015-08-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
last paragraph ) The joys of Debconf :-) [...] > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:41:45AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 07:27:21PM +0200, David Kalnischkies wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:14:21AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > and b) th

Re: Raising the severity of reproduciblity issues to "important"

2015-08-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:30:45PM +0100, Colin Tuckley wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 24/08/15 22:02, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > > We have pushed other archive-wide goals that were not shared by > > all upstreams. For example, we have enabled hardening build fla

Re: How to read mail addressed to "root" from "root" user?

2015-09-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
(this isn't about Debian development anymore. I've added a Cc to debian-user; if you have any follow-up questions, please drop the -devel Cc). On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 08:44:04PM +0300, Jayson Willson wrote: > Thank you very much for your answer! > Could you please tell me, why is it recommended to

Bug#45417: general: Lines referring to package remain in /etc/suid.conf after purging

1999-09-18 Thread Wouter Hanegraaff
request to remove emacs19 which isn't installed. I think this is a bug. Wouter - System Information Debian Release: 2.1 Kernel Version: Linux kenrsrvr 2.0.36 #3 Wed Jun 2 09:15:52 CEST 1999 i586 unknown

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-25 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 05:04:11PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2018-10-22 10:47:05 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 10:00:43PM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote: > > > It can be argued that libgpgme11 does not “provide a significant > > > amount of functionality” (7.2) with

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 04:40:34PM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote: > >>>>> Wouter Verhelst writes: > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 11:12:57PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 01:22:12PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: &g

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:30:17AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:43:07 +0200, Wouter Verhelst > wrote: > >This has been discussed before and rejected. It makes no sense. > > technically, but a lot of sense if it helps silencing another > instance of

Re: Confusing our users - who is supporting LTS?

2018-10-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 01:02:57PM -0300, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote: > I meant that we would say that stable is supported by the security team. > And instead of saying that Jessie was supported by the LTS team, we > would say supported by Freexian. I would object to that, on the grounds

Re: Confusing our users - who is supporting LTS?

2018-10-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 01:14:13AM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > Debian can't afford to pay developers in general, and previous > proposals to pay specific developers were not well received. That was over a decade ago. The circumstances at the time were also different. -- To the thief who stole

Re: Confusing our users - who is supporting LTS?

2018-10-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:56:26PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 04:31:38PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 01:14:13AM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > Debian can't afford to pay developers in general, and previous > >

Re: Confusing our users - who is supporting LTS?

2018-11-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 08:58:47AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 09:41:43AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 01:02:57PM -0300, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo > > wrote: > > > I meant that we would say that stable is suppor

Re: I resigned in 2004

2018-11-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 07:07:36PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Mattia Rizzolo writes: > > > Indeed, I was very bothered. > > > On the other hand, most of my reply to willy's mail was not addressed to > > him, but to debian-devel@ at large, to have everybody else understand > > how silly what he

Re: I resigned in 2004

2018-11-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 03:49:32PM +0100, Dominik George wrote: > I am thus very happy that this DD is leaving immediately - whether you see > this as bureaucracy or not, he agreed with rules and processes when he > joined, There were *far* fewer of them when he did. In 2000, you didn't need an ad

Re: I resigned in 2004

2018-11-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 06:31:35PM +0100, Carsten Leonhardt wrote: > Russ Allbery writes: > > > The general principle that I would advocate for here, though, is that if > > someone says clearly and explicitly "never contact me again," we should do > > what we can to never contact them again. > >

Re: NEW and RC bugs (Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2018-11-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 09:16:59PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 01:42:42PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > > Because: > > > > ... > > > thanks! nice summary. > > I replied in my other mail to the things I disagreed with (as is > > traditional) but it occurred to me I ought

Re: NEW and RC bugs (Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2018-11-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 01:05:14AM +0100, Alf Gaida wrote: > On Sat 24 Nov 2018 at 04:29PM +0100, Guido Günther wrote: > > > The experimental distribution is a good place for work in > > progress. Maybe the rules for automatic rejects can be relaxed for > > experimental so a package can go into th

Re: Our build system may be broken: /bin vs /usr/bin

2018-11-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 04:59:57PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > Am Mo., 19. Nov. 2018 um 16:52 Uhr schrieb Dirk Eddelbuettel > : > > > > > > Hi Ian, > > > > Thanks for the follow-up. > > > > On 19 November 2018 at 15:45, Ian Jackson wrote: > > | Dirk Eddelbuettel writes ("Our build system may b

Re: NEW and RC bugs (Re: julia_1.0.0-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

2018-11-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 01:01:12PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 08:38:56AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > > The experimental distribution is a good place for work in > > > > progress. Maybe the rules for automatic rejects can be relax

Re: Proposal: Repository for fast-paced package backports

2018-12-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 07:19:02PM +0100, Dominik George wrote: > > If you don't see obstacles, why not start today? > > I think I already made those obstacles clear: Starting outside means > buying, (or getting donated) > installing and operating at least a server vor volatile.debian.net (o

Re: Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 02:05:33PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" If you don't want US time, don't set US time. Instead, do something like: LC_TIME=en_BE.UTF-8 which means "I want time in English, but using Belgian customs, not the US ones". You may have to custom edit t

Re: Cdbs Features

2019-05-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 02:37:59PM +0900, Marc Dequènes (duck) wrote: > On the more general topic, I believe there should be room for new tools to > emerge and not-being-dh should never be a RC or even important bug. My thoughts exactly. I think at this point we can recommend dh, and require debh

Re: speeding up installs

2019-06-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 12:56:53PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > Most debian systems are not installed with d-i. When you include things > like FAI for installing sites and clusters; chroots, containers, VMs, > etc, d-i is not used in most situations. Your 'most' does not match mine. I played with

Re: scratch buildds

2019-06-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 10:51:56PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > Hi! > Fedora has an awesome feature for packagers: scratch builds. It would be > great if we could steal the idea. > > I find myself doing incremental uploads just to fix bugs that the previous > upload revealed on some weird arch.

Re: scratch buildds

2019-06-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 05:01:29PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > Not every commit is worth testing, So only push when you want to test. GitLab CI tests every push, not every commit. > especially on bigger packages. I don't > want to cause unnecessary drain on already limited resources (crap > ar

Re: scratch buildds

2019-06-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 11:34:19PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > On 6/15/19 12:28 AM, Chris Lamb wrote: > > Adam Borowski wrote: > > > >> Thus, what would you guys say about a new distribution, "scratch"? It > >> would > >> be a kind of extra-experimental that doesn't put its b

Re: The Difference between debcheckout and dgit and what they try to accomplish

2019-06-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:47:38AM +0100, Sean Whitton wrote: > We could try to write a tool which tries to guess and convert (e.g.) the > dgit view with your changes into a maintainer workflow, but there are > large obstacles to this working reliably. For example, there exist edge > cases such th

Re: getting rid of "testing"

2019-06-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 01:11:09PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 09:46:00AM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > > > Related to that I would like to be able to write something like > > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian debian11 main > > > deb http://security.debian.org/de

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Sep 08, 2019 at 11:17:13PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Sep 08, Ondřej Surý wrote: > > > I would rather see an explicit statement. I would be very surprised > > with Debian’s usual stance regarding the users’ privacy that we would > > not consider this as a privacy violation, but aga

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 07:56:48PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 08:24:03 +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > > > > On 9 Sep 2019, at 15:31, Bjørn Mork wrote: > > > > > > I for one, do trust my ISPs a lot more than I trust Cloudflare or > > > Google, simply based on the jurisdic

Re: How to give back a build

2019-09-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 07:02:15PM +0200, Jeff wrote: > The package I uploaded yesterday failed to build[1]. In the buildd, 2 of > 1000+ tests failed. Of course, I built in a clean sbuild for sid before > I uploaded it, and the same package built fine on the newer Ubuntu > distros on launchpad. So

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 11:43:33PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Sep 12, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > Except all they need to do is return NXDOMAIN on the > > "use-application-dns.net" domain, and Presto! they can spy on their > > users again. > They n

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github

2019-09-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 12:01:24AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > It is a real life experience that I had to touch horribly maintained > packages by unknown contributors, with Vcs-Git: > https://github.com//, missing commits not matching the > archive, and no response from the maintainer to the BTS

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github

2019-09-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 01:16:26AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 9/15/19 12:06 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > There's nothing that requires you to interact with a VCS repository that > > you > > don't care to. > > But I do care about using Git, and interacting with other DDs using it. Cool.

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-05-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
t the best argument for it, IMO. Thanks, -- w@uter.{be,co.za} wouter@{grep.be,fosdem.org,debian.org} I will have a Tin-Actinium-Potassium mixture, thanks.

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-06-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 11:24:15PM +0200, Diederik de Haas wrote: > On Wed May 31, 2023 at 12:44 PM CEST, Wouter Verhelst wrote: [...] > > 20+ year old machines are typically more power hungry, more expensive, > > less performant, and less reliable than an up-to-date raspberry pi.

Re: MBF: packages shipping init scripts without corresponding systemd units

2023-06-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
as > > often new units added don't have a name that matches exactly the old > > init script name, in which case it's fine to add an override and close > > the bug. > > It would probably make things easier if I typed the destination > address correctly. It

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-21 Thread Wouter Verhelst
will see. Absent that action, however, the code of conduct does not apply to relevant content of packages in the archive. -- w@uter.{be,co.za} wouter@{grep.be,fosdem.org,debian.org} I will have a Tin-Actinium-Potassium mixture, thanks.

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 07:09:00PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 06:06:34PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 02:28:22PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct.en starts off with: > > > &g

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
an aside, the file format is ridiculously easy -- create a plain text file with quotes separated by percent ("%") characters on a single line. You're done) -- w@uter.{be,co.za} wouter@{grep.be,fosdem.org,debian.org} I will have a Tin-Actinium-Potassium mixture, thanks.

Re: /usr-move: Do we support upgrades without apt?

2024-01-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
elaxed to only apply for initial installation? [1] At least, I think it logically *should* not do so, but then I'm not an apt developer and thus I may not know all the corner cases. -- w@uter.{be,co.za} wouter@{grep.be,fosdem.org,debian.org} I will have a Tin-Actinium-Potassium mixture, thanks.

Re: finally end single-person maintainership

2024-04-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 04:04:18PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > Am Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 03:31:43PM +0200 schrieb Wouter Verhelst: > > [Feel free to quote any part of this email which I wrote outside of this > > mailinglist] > > OK, moving the discussi

Re: Hosting the original youtube-dl sources on salsa?

2020-11-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 09:16:21AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Rogério Brito writes: > > > Dear people, > > > > As many of you may know, the RIAA issued a resquest for GitHub to take down > > the youtube-dl repository. > > IANAL so I may be confused, but AIUI that takedown is based on the > not

Re: Making Linux distro with Debian

2020-11-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 01:39:10AM +0300, ajsjajis eihwjshs wrote: >Its legal to making Linux distro and sharing with changing Debian logos >codes etc.  Yes, it is legal, absolutely. -- To the thief who stole my anti-depressants: I hope you're happy -- seen somewhere on the Internet o

Library won't link

2020-11-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
ola::io::LoopbackDescriptor' /usr/bin/ld: hw.cc:(.text._ZN3ola2io18LoopbackDescriptorD2Ev[_ZN3ola2io18LoopbackDescriptorD5Ev]+0x31): undefined reference to `ola::io::LoopbackDescriptor::Close()' /usr/bin/ld: warning: creating DT_TEXTREL in a PIE collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status autopkgtest [15:27:45]: @@

Re: Library won't link

2020-11-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Sven, On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 11:44:42AM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2020-11-22 11:29 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > What am I missing? > > I think this happens because g++ passes --as-needed to the linker in > unstable, but not in stable. Your test program is co

Re: Fixed release dates are hurting quality

2021-03-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
So. On Sun, Feb 07, 2021 at 01:40:39PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Hello! > > I just noticed how maintainers are NMU'ing packages in large quantities to > get them somehow in a usable state for the release. The packages get small > patches so that they are more or less working and c

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
ht away, which is much more difficult to do under the time pressure of a GR procedure. -- w@uter.{be,co.za} wouter@{grep.be,fosdem.org,debian.org}

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Wouter Verhelst
ault option, an explicit no-outcome ballot option is *not* functionally equivalent to the default option, in my opinion, since the default option means "this doesn't work, let's not do this and maybe try again", and an explicit no-outcome ballot option explicitly means "this doesn't work, let's not do that again". -- w@uter.{be,co.za} wouter@{grep.be,fosdem.org,debian.org}

Re: Gitlab support for Debian repositories (Was: Regarding the new "Debian User Repository")

2021-07-08 Thread Wouter Verhelst
uild1/", and the other one does "dcmd mv ../*.changes products/build2/"). - Have a third job that depends on both the above two jobs, and that runs diffoscope over the artifacts of both jobs. If and only if the diffoscope doesn't reveal any issues, run dput to upload the packages. I think the salsa-CI team can easily add support for this to their generic pipeline... -- w@uter.{be,co.za} wouter@{grep.be,fosdem.org,debian.org}

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
ait until we do things the right way. Sure, there are technical issues with doing things the right way, and we should deal with them. But just throwing them under the carpet and deciding they're only a problem for other people isn't going to help anyone. -- w@uter.{be,co.za} wouter@{grep.be,fosdem.org,debian.org} signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: merged /usr

2021-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 03:20:05PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 15:53:32 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > I've suggested previously that we can easily make it RC for bookworm to > > have a file outside a limited set of directories (/etc and /usr

Re: merged /usr

2021-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 02:13:33PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > On 2021-07-27 Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 03:20:05PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 15:53:32 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >>> I've suggested pr

Re: merged /usr

2021-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 06:53:01PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 03:25:48PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > I'm worried about systems being written to completely bypass the dpkg > > database. > Like alternatives and things that create

Re: merged /usr

2021-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
t least a > "hash -d ln". This is why I said to use cp, not mv, when moving the file... -- w@uter.{be,co.za} wouter@{grep.be,fosdem.org,debian.org}

Re: Gitlab support for Debian repositories (Was: Regarding the new "Debian User Repository")

2021-08-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Holger, On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 05:12:54PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi Wouter, > > sorry for the late reply but I think it's still relevant... > (just thus rather leaving almost full quote as context.) > > On Thu, Jul 08, 2021 at 11:25:26AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst

Re: merged /usr

2021-08-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
t a system where dpkg will never run, then that's irrelevant and you can just do whatever you want. -- w@uter.{be,co.za} wouter@{grep.be,fosdem.org,debian.org}

Re: merged /usr

2021-08-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
ve > much room for dissent), such package-by-package transition will never finish. We finished the /usr/doc transition in *exactly* this way. Yes it took us longer, but we have better tools now. So I call BS on "it will never finish". -- w@uter.{be,co.za} wouter@{grep.be,fosdem.org,debian.org}

Re: Steam Deck: good news for Linux gaming, bad news for Debian :(

2021-08-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
point people to it. -- w@uter.{be,co.za} wouter@{grep.be,fosdem.org,debian.org}

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