Re: [OT] NM vs. wicd

2012-03-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-30 19:43:48 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > On 30/03/12 12:29, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > I don't know what's going on exactly, but from the logs, it seems > > that when suspending, the connection is ended (as expected), but > > then, wicd t

Re: On init in Debian

2012-03-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-30 10:44:07 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > On 2012-03-29 13:07:56 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > >> Well, it seems like you should file bugs if you can, because a lot of > >> these are not universal problems and therefore pro

Re: On init in Debian

2012-03-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-31 01:16:42 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2012-03-30 10:44:07 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > I don't think your diagnosis of this is correct, in that I don't think > > wicd is what's doing this. I was getting things like that with Network > > Ma

Re: [OT] NM vs. wicd

2012-04-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-31 05:42:41 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > On 31/03/12 01:03, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2012-03-30 19:43:48 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > >> Check that you don't have GLAN/WLAN or something like that enabled on > >> /proc/

dpkg, symlinks, directories

2012-09-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
Hi! In roundcube package, I am turning existing directories to symlinks and symlinks into directories. It seems that dpkg does not like that: symlinks are not replaced with the appropriate directories. I didn't find anything about this in the documentation. How should I handle such cases? -- Make

Re: dpkg, symlinks, directories

2012-09-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 29 septembre 2012 11:59 CEST, Vincent Bernat  : > In roundcube package, I am turning existing directories to symlinks and > symlinks into directories. It seems that dpkg does not like that: > symlinks are not replaced with the appropriate directories. I didn't > find anything

Re: dpkg, symlinks, directories

2012-09-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 29 septembre 2012 12:35 CEST, Salvatore Bonaccorso  : >> In roundcube package, I am turning existing directories to symlinks and >> symlinks into directories. It seems that dpkg does not like that: >> symlinks are not replaced with the appropriate directories. I didn't >> find anything about th

Re: dpkg, symlinks, directories

2012-09-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 29 septembre 2012 17:17 CEST, "Andrej N. Gritsenko"  : >>This is indeed intentional, that dpkg never replaces directories with >>symlinks if directory is present, see [1] and [2] (under 4.). > >> [1]: http://bugs.debian.org/404850 >> [2]: >> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintain

Re: dpkg, symlinks, directories

2012-09-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 29 septembre 2012 13:01 CEST, Andreas Beckmann  : >> Thanks for the pointers! I now understand why this does not >> work. Fixing in postinst is quite difficult since I have swapped >> symlinks and, from the bug reports, successive installs make the >> situation worst (things got installed in th

Re: Debian not suitable for SSD due to apt/dpkg?

2012-10-01 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 1 octobre 2012 18:26 CEST, Jonathan McDowell  : >> what are the main (ssd related) advantages of running a 3.2 kernel >> instead of the 2.6.32 from squeeze? (I don't want to run 3.2 due to >> wlan/intel gfx problems, though last time I tried was three months >> ago, might been fixed by now.) >

Re: (seemingly) declinging bug report numbers

2012-10-11 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 11 octobre 2012 20:26 CEST, Steve Langasek  : >> Quite a few upstreams thinks Debian are working contrary to their design >> and their goals and are actively hindering adoption of their software. >> If you're interested in examples, just take a look at how rubygems was >> handled in Debian unti

Re: (seemingly) declinging bug report numbers

2012-10-11 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 11 octobre 2012 22:33 CEST, Benjamin Drung  : >> > I can confirm the trend for a couple of organisations. The primary >> > reason that I identified was the retirement of security support for >> > Lenny and that Lenny packages are removed from many Debian mirrors which >> > made it difficult to

Re: Discarding uploaded binary packages

2012-10-18 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 18 octobre 2012 11:29 CEST, Arno Töll  : > why don't we just let people decide themselves? We already grant every > DD very liberal upload permissions to the archives because we trust them > and their capabilities. Hence, I do not think we would like something > like this despite of dak's suppo

Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-27 Thread Vincent Bernat
Hi! Libraries with `-dbg` package are a pain to deal with when debugging some problem. The solution to ask each user to rebuild the library without stripping debug symbols[1] seem suboptimal. Asking each maintainer to ship a `-dbg` package may be a solution[2] but couldn't we generate those packag

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-27 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 27 octobre 2012 12:42 CEST, Andrey Rahmatullin  : >> Libraries with `-dbg` package are a pain to deal with when debugging >> some problem. > You probably mean "without". Yes. -- printk(KERN_WARNING "Multi-volume CD somehow got mounted.\n"); 2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/fs/isofs/inode.c pg

Re: IPv6, tentative addresses, bind(), wheezy

2012-11-03 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 3 novembre 2012 15:15 CET, Ben Hutchings  : >> I can now disable DAD, or insert "sleep 10" at the top of >> /etc/init.d/unbound, but neither is an acceptable solution. >> >> IPv6 has been a release goal for years and we are about to release >> another Debian version that does not properly cat

Re: IPv6, tentative addresses, bind(), wheezy

2012-11-04 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 4 novembre 2012 19:21 CET, Steve Langasek  : >> > How does one find out about that? > >> % ip -6 addr show dev eth0 | grep "2001:db8::deb1:46.* tentative" >> inet6 2001:db8::deb1:46/64 scope global tentative > >> Once DAD completes, the "tentative" goes away. > >> Programatically, I think

Re: major linux problems summary 2012

2012-11-09 Thread Vincent Lefevre
d.py (BTW, I plan to purchase a Lemote YeeLoong 8101B, which has only GNU/Linux support, but haven't had news from the vendor yet.) -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer a

Re: Where could I upload x32 port bootstrap?

2012-11-10 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 10 novembre 2012 19:28 CET, Steve McIntyre  : > So, should we do it? Here is an interesting link against it: http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2012/06/debunking-x32-myths -- die_if_kernel("Kernel gets FloatingPenguinUnit disabled trap", regs); 2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/arch/sparc/kernel/traps.c

Re: Re: major linux problems summary 2012

2012-11-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
s been fixed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535241 screen not restored after suspend on Dell Latitude E6400 [nVidia Quadro NVS 160M] -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/&

Re: Re: major linux problems summary 2012

2012-11-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
for basic things (and I use neither GNOME nor KDE). It will not replace the Dell Latitude. > Vincent try look on Thinkpad X220, I don't remember who but some > person from Debian recommend this to run linux 'out of the box'. It would be interesting to know which Debian devel

Re: Re: Re: major linux problems summary 2012

2012-11-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
and nouveau) and nVidia binary (nvidia) drivers. I have the same card and I can tell you that the nouveau driver is broken with it. See the bug mentioned above: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640464 -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% acces

Re: Dell Latitude Nvidia problems Re: Re: Re: Re: major linux problems summary 2012

2012-11-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
ngeLog), while the bug I reported is very old. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...

Re: A common configuration format, anyone?

2012-11-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
like with XML is the validation (in some standard way) via schemas (for config files, where an error can be critical, this is quite important), and the fact that there's no ambiguity on the charset. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML -

Bug#693868: ITP: mailnag -- mail notification daemon for GNOME 3

2012-11-21 Thread Vincent Cheng
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vincent Cheng * Package name: mailnag Version : 0.4.4 Upstream Author : Patrick Ulbrich * URL : https://github.com/pulb/mailnag * License : GPL-2+ Programming Lang: Python Description : mail notification daemon

Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host

2012-11-21 Thread Vincent Danjean
the Enhances: relationship is a better one than a Depends:/ Recommends:/Suggests: in plugin packages. Vincent -- Vincent Danjean GPG key ID 0x9D025E87 vdanj...@debian.org GPG key fingerprint: FC95 08A6 854D DB48 4B9A 8A94 0BF7 7867 9D02 5E87 Unofficial pkgs: http://moais.ima

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Vincent Danjean
the one sent to debian-devel-announce. Of course, I've the same problem with mail CC to me (I did not receive the copy for my procmail rules). Changing of ISP is not really an option (other French ISP are often less respecting of the standard or lots more expensive or ...). Regards,

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
mong the comments. And this format is also easy to break without noticing the breakage. > Everything but XML. *EVERYTHING*. This is your opinion. I disagree. XML is nice for things like validation and complex operations. XML is easy (easier) to edit if you use the "right" tools. -- V

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-27 Thread Vincent Danjean
Le 26/11/2012 15:34, Thomas Goirand a écrit : > On 11/26/2012 03:06 PM, Vincent Danjean wrote: >> Not always. My ISP (French "Free/Proxad") seems to filter mail with >> the same Message-ID sent in a few period of time (a few minutes?) >> [...] >> Changing

Re: [OT] XML

2012-11-27 Thread Vincent Lefevre
blems with Emacs. It tells you in real time whether the XML file is valid (by default, just well-formed) or not. And when there's an error, it can tell you where. Something I've never seen with plain text config files. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 1

Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

2012-11-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
2:08:34 2011 So, there's no possible corruption due to the mailbox format. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To U

Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
by design. Even though mboxrd attempts to fix some problems, there are still MUA's that would show the added ">" in the body (one problem is that they can't detect reliably which mbox format is used). -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible valida

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
pends. I index my archive mailbox with mairix, and with mairix, it is better to use maildir as a search result is built with symlinks instead of copying the individual mail messages. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.v

Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 01:39:57 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 16:01 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Even users of mboxo shouldn't even have a problem because in your > > message the F of the "From " line is encoded in quoted-printable: >

Re: the right bug severity in case of mbox formats

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
ng mboxrd. So, I don't see any problem with the current behavior. Note: the F encoding may be necessary because mboxo generation corrupts the mail body (and it is done by the sender just in case the recipient uses mboxo, in order to avoid a corruption at this side). But there is no corruption with

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 15:30:47 +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 15:20 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Now, I would say that in general, the wasted space is small compared > > to large attachments. And if you have only text and care about disk > > space

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 15:46:35 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:00:14PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2012-11-26 07:27:08 +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > > > Ever heard of > > > grep, sed, awk, > > > all these nice things that

Re: the right bug severity in case of data corruption

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
s doing. At the very least the conditions where it will do > From encoding are too complex for me to grok at this time of day ;-) Definitely neither procmail, nor postfix: I've sent a mail to myself with a "From " (not using QP -- checked that) at the beginning of the line, and e

Re: Maildir vs. mbox in Debian

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
ially if not all cores are at 100% usage). Great! Nice to know. This should be the default in Debian. :) -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 21:33:37 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:23:03PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > The default .subversion/config file is a piece of documentation, not a > > > configuration file. I agree that there's far too much noise in th

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 29 novembre 2012 17:58 CET, Roland Mas  : >>> And command-line tools? >> An editor with syntax highlighting? >> Other than that, I don't know of any, but do you really need it with >> ini? For a specific purpose, you could probably whip something up >> pretty fast with one of the libraries... >

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 18:08:05 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 04:23:03PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2012-11-29 15:46:35 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > But it will in a UTF8 locale, > > > > Unfortunately the C locale is the only real

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 21:25:50 +0100, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > So to keep everyone equally happy, we need: > > > > > > Structure _and_ readability. No, you don't have the structure from the XML point of view. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/&

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-29 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-11-29 08:37:19 -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > And interfaces in various programming languages? > > http://search.cpan.org/~shlomif/Config-IniFiles-2.78/lib/Config/IniFiles.pm At least for Perl, I can't see

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-12-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-12-01 10:16:54 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 02:18:04AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > At least for Perl, I can't see anything related to validation. > > That's because validating an ini file is trivially easy: > > the line is a

Re: Debian package browser

2012-12-02 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 2 décembre 2012 17:27 CET, Игорь Пашев  : > For obvious reasons I cannot find [in the Net] a way how to setup a > package browser > similar to one used at http://packages.debian.org or at > http://packages.ubuntu.com > > Could anybody point me in the right direction? Hi! The source code for

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-12-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-12-02 22:04:52 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 12:31:00PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2012-12-01 10:16:54 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 02:18:04AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > At least

Re: [OT] config file formats

2012-12-03 Thread Vincent Lefevre
some regexp ... [a2] condition = some other regexp ... but you are completely hiding the underlying structure. This makes the file harder to understand and harder to validate (against a schema based on the tree structure). -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessi

Re: [RFC] Go (golang) packaging

2013-01-02 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 2 janvier 2013 09:15 CET, Michael Stapelberg  : >> Henceforth when a go program depends on a go library, those go >> libraries are ALWAYS compiled in statically. Static linking causes >> many problems for distributions like Debian, and therefore this > Can you please tell us which specific pro

Bug#698152: ITP: poti -- library to create trace files in the Paje file format

2013-01-14 Thread Vincent Danjean
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vincent Danjean * Package name: poti Version : 4.2 Upstream Author : Lucas Schnorr * URL : https://github.com/schnorr/poti * License : LGPL-3.0+ Programming Lang: C Description : library to create trace files in

Re: Differing behaviour of shells regarding simple commands with parameter assignments

2013-01-21 Thread Vincent Lefevre
me (the environment is changed locally), whether the command is a function or some other command found in $PATH. That said, I find the text very ambiguous... Note also that zsh is not expected to be POSIX compliant (even with "emulate sh", though it should try to behave as POSIX says). But I

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-25 Thread Vincent Lefevre
ux kernel + non-free drivers, Firefox + extensions...). A clean separation between components with a good specification makes more clear where a bug can be. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: C

Bug#699726: ITP: bijiben -- intuitive note editor integrated with GNOME 3

2013-02-03 Thread Vincent Cheng
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vincent Cheng * Package name: bijiben Version : 3.7.5 Upstream Author : Pierre-Yves Luyten * URL : https://live.gnome.org/Bijiben * License : GPL-3+ Programming Lang: C Description : intuitive note editor

Re: Package install location for 0700 Directories

2013-02-11 Thread Vincent Danjean
redentials from somewhere else), there is a fundamental security design problem. Regards, Vincent -- Vincent Danjean GPG key ID 0x9D025E87 vdanj...@debian.org GPG key fingerprint: FC95 08A6 854D DB48 4B9A 8A94 0BF7 7867 9D02 5E87 Unofficial pkgs: http://moais.imag.fr/m

Re: NDEBUG when building packages?

2013-02-23 Thread Vincent Cheng
de to confirm >> that it really improves matters. > > Seems like everyone agreed. I'll report a bug to lintian package to > have it check for this string in d/rules: > > http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE:STRING%3DRelease We should also suggest that pack

Bug#702242: ITP: libpfm4 -- Library to program the performance monitoring events

2013-03-04 Thread Vincent Danjean
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vincent Danjean * Package name: libpfm4 Version : 4.3.0 Upstream Author : Stephane Eranian * URL : http://perfmon2.sourceforge.net/ * License : BSD-like (see below) Programming Lang: C + python bindings Description

Bug#702243: ITP: papi -- Performance Application Programming Interface library

2013-03-04 Thread Vincent Danjean
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vincent Danjean * Package name: papi Version : 5.1.0.2 Upstream Author : University of Tennessee * URL : http://icl.cs.utk.edu/papi/custom/index.html?lid=51&slid=69 * License : BSD Programming Lang: C Descrip

Re: Doing an anonymous git clone from bitbucket: is it possible?

2013-03-10 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 10 mars 2013 11:27 CET, Thomas Goirand  : > Is it possible to do an *anonymous* clone of a bitbucket repository > using git? I saw it is possible to do a clone over ssh, but that's not > what I want to do (ssh client asks for confirming the remote ssh host > key, which I don't want to, I just w

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-03-29 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 28 mars 2013 20:38 CET, Thomas Goirand  : >> I agree - classifying a bug is just a first step before I do anything >> more about an issue > Unless you are the original reporter and you need to > decide in order to fill the bug, please don't. That's the > role of the maintainer to do that triagi

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-01 Thread Vincent Danjean
problem with partial upgrades. Or you can create a r-base-core-3 (or any other name) package that would Conflicts *and* Replaces r-base-core in order to be sure to forbid all previous r modules (even not official ones for examples). Regards, Vincent PS: I also think that, in any cases, all of

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Vincent Danjean
odules), the creation of a R Debian package from a R CRAN package should be as automatic as possible (I did not check at all where we are on this point). Regards, Vincent > - Jukka. > > -- Vincent Danjean GPG key ID 0x9D025E87 vdanj...@debian.org GPG key fing

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
is due to the fact that the freeze occurred while too many RC bugs were already open. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
eleases easier. If neither upstream nor the Debian maintainer of some package is active and the package is rather buggy (e.g. with RC bugs not easy to fix), I don't think that the package should be in stable. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible valida

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-04-02 15:09:43 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Vincent Lefevre, le Tue 02 Apr 2013 14:52:35 +0200, a écrit : > > I disagree. If the freeze occurred only once (almost) all RC bugs > > were fixed, > > Problem is: until you freeze, new RC bugs keep getting introduced.

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
There are various problems with experimental, in particular dependencies are not necessarily listed, and upgrade from an experimental package is not supported (it generally works, but the maintainer doesn't have to take that into account). In short, experimental is not for the end user. --

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
ackages could still enter testing for the next release. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-04-02 15:23:18 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Vincent Lefevre, le Tue 02 Apr 2013 15:15:38 +0200, a écrit : > > On 2013-04-02 15:09:43 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Vincent Lefevre, le Tue 02 Apr 2013 14:52:35 +0200, a écrit : > > > > I disagree. If

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
ar packages and this doesn't prevent developers from fixing RC bugs. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T

2013-04-02 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 2 avril 2013 19:57 CEST, Ian Jackson  : >> > Unless you are the original reporter and you need to >> > decide in order to fill the bug, please don't. That's the >> > role of the maintainer to do that triaging work (as >> > already stated multiple times!). >> >> We encourage people to help tri

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-03 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-04-02 13:37:59 -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > [Vincent Lefevre] > > I disagree. If the freeze occurred only once (almost) all RC bugs > > were fixed, there would be (almost) no delay. I suspect that the > > length of the freeze is due to the fact that the freeze o

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-03 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-04-02 09:50:23 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > > There are various problems with experimental, in particular dependencies > > are not necessarily listed, > > Huh? I have no clue what you could possibly be talking about, unless > y

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-03 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-04-02 21:53:08 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > Vincent, > > am Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 05:07:27PM +0200 hast du folgendes geschrieben: > > I don't think that the status even of a big package like iceweasel > > is satisfactory. > > I pretty much agree. B

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-03 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-04-02 09:48:34 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > On 2013-04-02 14:29:46 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > > >> That is not how it actually works out. Policy changes are made which > >> require old packages to build with new flags, compile

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-03 Thread Vincent Lefevre
are also blocked by the freeze) don't introduce new bugs. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-03 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-04-03 20:14:32 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:12:22PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > In general, bug-fix releases (which are also blocked by the freeze) > > don't introduce new bugs. > > Case in point: > http://www.h-online.com/op

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-03 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-04-03 20:17:47 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 01:28:58PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > I pretty much agree. But what's the problem here? That xulrunner and > > > iceweasel have rdeps in the archive that aren't necessarily > &g

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-04 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-04-04 16:23:33 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 10:29:26PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > It seems that most reverse dependencies for iceweasel are l10n > > packages and extensions, so that one can consider them as part > > of the upgrade. The r

Bug#705399: ITP: pinba-mysql-engine -- realtime statistics server for PHP using MySQL as a read-only interface

2013-04-14 Thread Vincent Bernat
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vincent Bernat -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 * Package name: pinba-mysql-engine Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Antony Dovgal * URL : http://pinba.org * License : GPL-2 Programming Lang: C

Bug#705400: ITP: php5-pinba -- Pinba module for php5

2013-04-14 Thread Vincent Bernat
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Vincent Bernat -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 * Package name: php5-pinba Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Antony Dovgal * URL : http://pinba.org/ * License : PHP license 2.02 Programming Lang: C

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-04-04 21:08:45 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: > On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 05:14:54PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > I wonder whether there are packaged extensions […] > > So you didn't actually look. EOT from me, it's wasting my time. Sorry, I meant "why"

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-15 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-04-15 15:31:38 +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 04:22:14PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > So, transitions could be avoided in a social way. No need for a freeze. > > Let's see how well that works - look at the very first message in this > th

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-23 Thread Vincent Lefevre
mental > versions. Not breakages compared to stable/testing/unstable versions. You should also consider breakage between an experimental version and a future unstable version. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://ww

Re: jpeg8 vs jpeg-turbo

2013-04-24 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 24 avril 2013 13:08 CEST, Ondřej Surý  : > We have a plenty of libraries (and other packages) who do conflict > between themselves, so we know the drill. > > Also Debian no longer ships libjpeg62, so there's not conflict there > at least for baseline implementation (libjpeg62 API/ABI). Remember

Debian PPA (was: Re: Bug#706605: ITP: macfanctld -- Fan control daemon for Apple MacBook computers)

2013-05-02 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 2 mai 2013 20:29 CEST, Pau Garcia i Quiles  : > This model has been working very well for me for years and users are happy. > Sadly, there are no Debian PPAs and I'm forced to use the OpenSuse Build > Service, which I don't really like (no dput, censored main archive, etc). I am also using OB

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-06 Thread Vincent Lefevre
if things like virtual alias domains are used. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <http://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-r

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-06 Thread Vincent Lefevre
e are packages, like rsync, that provide more than a service, e.g. a client and a daemon. What if the user wants the client but not the corresponding service (at any time, including a short time after the installation)? -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible va

Re: Debian development and release: always releasable (essay)

2013-05-09 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 9 mai 2013 21:49 CEST, Lars Wirzenius  : > * Remove RC buggy packages sooner rather than later. An RC buggy > package should be removed at soon as possible: when the bug > is identified, allow a bit of time for the bug to be verified > (was it actually an RC bug?), but after that, remove

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
uot; in (build-)dependencies on these packages could happen: > > 1) > > "foo (>= 5)" doesn't guarantee you that you get upstream version 5 or later. > You need to use "foo (>= 1:5)". To avoid this bug, shouldn't the epoch be ignored in compariso

Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

2013-05-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
are equal (e.g. some are bug-fix releases), not packages are equal (e.g. some have regression tests...), and not all upstreams are equal. > or a soft freeze (as described above) a month (or two) before hard freeze I doubt that it would change much, unless the hard freeze is time limited.

Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
eep the usual : escaping as in URLs? It may be less readable (for the few people who need to read it), but it may be better if other characters need to be introduced and escaped in the future. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <http://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <h

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-05-07 23:53:07 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 05/07/2013 04:11 AM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > This doesn't make any sense. What is installed is a package, not > > a service. There are packages, like rsync, that provide more than > > a service, e.g. a client

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-13 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 11 mai 2013 22:08 CEST, Josselin Mouette  : >> I can't agree with having no choice with regard to init. We aren't >> all using GNOME, and Debian is used in an extremely diverse set of >> fields for a multitude of different purposes. No one init is >> appropriate for all of these applications.

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-05-12 18:51:10 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Vincent Lefevre > > > I agree for these services (though Apache is useless after just > > being installed, as one just has a dummy web page). > > So useful, since you can then put files into the docroot and serve

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-05-07 23:54:36 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 05/07/2013 04:00 AM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > This can be fine for some daemons/servers. For instance, for a web > > server, displaying a default web page is harmless. But what about a > > mail server? Any default

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-05-13 13:01:27 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Vincent Lefevre > > > On 2013-05-12 18:51:10 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > > ]] Vincent Lefevre > > > > But not for postfix, which can reject mail by default without an > > > > initial conf

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-05-13 12:02:31 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > My only use of Apache on some machine is because of sensord. But > > it may happen that in a few months, I would no longer need sensord > > and may remove the package. In this case, it would make

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-05-13 13:32:51 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Vincent Lefevre > > > On 2013-05-13 13:01:27 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > > So you configured it through debconf, in a non-default way, and it > > > refused mails according to how you configured it.

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-05-13 08:48:33 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 05/13/2013 08:33 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > >]] Vincent Lefevre > > > >>On 2013-05-13 13:32:51 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > >>>No, it does not, since the default configuration («Local

Re: jessie release goals

2013-05-13 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-05-13 14:37:28 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > There's also a problem that the man pages are in the package: > > > > $ dpkg -L apache2.2-common | grep /man/ > > /usr/share/man/man8 > > /usr/share/man/man8/apache2.8.gz > >

Re: Bug#729660: ITP: xemacs21 -- highly customizable text editor

2013-11-16 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 16 novembre 2013 13:30 CET, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz  : > I have yet to see someone who does. I'm a long-time emacs user > and so are many of other developers I work together with and everyone > I know of who uses emacs as their primary editor doesn't use X11 > support, you just don't need it

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