Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Package

2007-06-22 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 02:20:33PM -0400, Zachary Palmer wrote: > Hello, all. It has been my understanding that the reason that the > [EMAIL PROTECTED] distributed computing software has not been made a Debian > package is that the license under which it is released does not allow it > to be fr

Re: I don't understand Debian

2007-06-22 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 08:24:22PM +0200, ignatius wrote: > I have two questions that really concerned me. > > - Why it's Debian that fixes bugs and security holes? There are lots of differences between: upstream and Debian release goals upstream and Debian build environment (debian has 10+ arch

Re: Bug#429514: ITP: openoffice.org-ctl-he -- Turns on OO.org CTL support, and sets Hebrew as the default CTL locale

2007-06-22 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 09:11:04PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 03:43:45PM +0100, Lior Kaplan wrote: > > > Description : Turns on CTL support & sets Hebrew as the default CTL > > locale > > > > This package installs an OO.org extention which turns on CTL support, and

Re: Bug#430176: ITP: sorting-hat -- program to sort Debian Developers

2007-06-22 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 02:50:44AM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: "Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Package name: sorting-hat > Version : 1.0.0 > Upstream Author : Erinn Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL :

Re: key sign

2007-06-27 Thread Kevin Mark
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 01:04:30PM -0300, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: > Em Qua, 2007-06-27 às 19:28 +0330, Amin Shali escreveu: > > Hi :) > > Can anyone please sign my key? > > No. > > Quoting http://www.debian.org/events/keysigning: > > "You should never sign a key for somebody else you hav

Could someone clarify this...

2007-06-28 Thread Kevin Mark
Hi, I was just reading an interview[0] of someone from the 'Freetype' project and he said: ... Also, I still don't understand why Debian and Ubuntu keep distributing patent-infringing code in FreeType, while they keep MP3 and DVD playback out of their normal installs. I'm not even sure it's DFSG co

Bug#502959: general: raff.debian.org uses non-free software

2008-10-22 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:41:14AM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > Package: general > Severity: serious > Justification: DFSG > > raff.debian.org uses a Compaq Smart 5i RAID card. A flash memory is used > to store the firmware. While the firmware is freely downloadable (as in > beer) on HP website

Re: problems with the concept of unstable -> testing

2008-12-16 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:34:39PM +0100, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > Romain Beauxis wrote: > > I think you completely forgot about the fact that this project is run by > > people who aren't payed for that. > > > > And, yes I didn't fix any RC bug today, nor yesterday. I even have now 3 on > > medi

Re: making debian/copyright machine-interpretable

2007-08-05 Thread Kevin Locke
ct packages that fit their desires. Thoughts, comments, and criticisms welcome. Cheers, Kevin 1. http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/modules/cc/ P.S. By making this suggestion, I am volunteering to help with the huge amount of work that it requires. ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Requesting advice regarding creating a custom Debian distribution

2007-08-20 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 10:03:57PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Let me explain to you the why I have decided to start the project. I > have searched for a lightweight distribution and none of what is > available has been what I wanted for one reason or another. I also > have used IceWM

Re: Requesting advice regarding creating a custom Debian distribution

2007-08-21 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 05:11:06PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I came up with nothing on Google for stem linux., and DeliLinux > looks to be turkish so I don't know if we would even be to > communicate. I should try talking with them, their desktop looks > pretty nice. I have already d

Re: AM status for Krystian Wlosek?

2007-09-26 Thread Kevin Mark
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 02:57:52AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: > > I suppose that everyone are busy today, so do I. I'm a little tired > > with sponsoring his packages and I know he could to upload his > > packages by his own. > > > > I really don't u

Re: Bug#445180: ITP: libpuzzle -- A library to find similar pictures

2007-10-03 Thread Kevin Mark
On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 11:14:37PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Emmanuel Bouthenot wrote: > >> * Package name: libpuzzle >> Description : A library to find similar pictures > > The lib sounds very interesting but I would ask the authors to choose > a not so generic nam

Re: Bug#445576: ITP: detach -- command to detach a process

2007-10-06 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 11:38:12AM +1000, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Anibal Monsalve Salazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Package name: detach > Version: 0.2.3-1 > Upstream Author: Robbert Haarman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > URL: http://inglorion.net/software

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-12 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 09:13:11AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > This mail tries to address the problem of not orphaned, poorly maintained > or useless packages in Debian. The proposal below tries to address both > cases, because they are often related. (useless packages tend to be poorly

Re: Handling of poorly maintained and useless packages

2007-10-13 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Oct 13, 2007 at 06:05:39PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 12:33:41PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > > If I am a user of one of these packages who may have the skill to adopt > > it or may know someone who can, I may want to know about its orphaning. >

Re: [Probably OT]Debian on a biostar p4m900 motherboard

2007-10-18 Thread Kevin Mark
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 06:38:50PM +0200, Andrea Ferraresi wrote: > Hello folks, > I want to install debian lenny on a biostar p4m900 motherboard micro > ATX on a touchscreen pc...have you ever tried it? what abuot linux > support? > > Thanks AF. > > Please cc me i'm currently off list and sorry

Re: Enabling and installing of "risky" ("patented") codecs - made easy

2007-10-23 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 03:44:30PM +, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:15:42AM +0200, Fabian Greffrath wrote: > [...] > > I suggest that, if such a repository will be created for patented > > codecs, that e.g. sponsored uploads will not be allowed to this > > archive. I know t

Re: dupload failed

2007-11-08 Thread Kevin Mark
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 10:08:30PM +0100, Christoph Haas wrote: > On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 10:06:01PM +0100, SZALAY Attila wrote: > > I couldn't upload my package into the incoming queue with dupload > > because I could not connect to ftp-master.debian.org on port 21 and 22. > > ftp-master is tempo

Re: MicroImages Leaving LINUX

2007-11-13 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:23:32PM -0500, Gene Kersey wrote: > Mr Hocevar: > > This is my first time communicating with anyone in the Linux > community, so please forgive me if I have breached some sort of > protocol. I have been a Linux dabbler, user and supporter for some > time. One of the de

schroot not automatically bind-mounting /home

2010-02-04 Thread Kevin Coyner
Failed to change to directory ‘/home/kevin’: No such file or directory W: Falling back to directory ‘/’ I have no na...@kosuke:/$ So I can get a working sid chroot, but I don't get my original /home. Since I have the machine running an encrypted LVM setup, I wondered whether that was causing prob

Re: libgcrypt brain dead?

2010-03-20 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 01:33:43PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes: > > On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 12:03 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > >> The primary problem with using OpenSSL with OpenLDAP is NSS and PAM > >> modules, which pull the libraries into just about any GPL'd (or > >> oth

Re: What does .d at the end of some dirctory and filenames actually stand for?

2010-04-19 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 03:51:14PM +0200, spamfuerda...@gmx.de wrote: > Hi! > > I (and some other people) are wondering about the question: > > "What does .d at the end of some dirctory and filenames actually stand for?" > > > It does not mean deamon or default. > > Does it maybe mean director

Re: PDF is blocked for printing, etc. OK for acroread (it behaves as expected), but KPDF allows me to print it, even if it is protected! Why?

2010-04-19 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:39:03PM +0700, Mikhail Gusarov wrote: > > Twas brillig at 17:32:51 19.04.2010 UTC+02 when > luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be did gyre and gimble: > > >> Pdf "anti-features" are fake security. Don't trust on them, never. > ML> And what do you suggest if one wants some

Services I'd like from auric

2003-12-13 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
of significant help to me. Thanks for considering the request, Kevin signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-17 Thread Kevin Kreamer
a NetBSD libc, you could use Debian NBSD/NBSD basically having the first half signify which libc is used. However, if Debian is always going to use the GNU/ prefix, then perhaps make it something like Debian GNU/NBSD/NBSD with the third part signifying the libc used. Kevin

Re: Bug#273734: education-common: con't fulfill the Recommends on !i386

2004-10-04 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 05:17:50PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 11:16:56PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 12:03:48AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > > > > Assume a package would recommend grub which is only available on i386

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 05:51:48PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > Hi all, > > we had some discussion about volatile, and I'm more and more considering to > pick this task up. I think some issues are quite obvious: > > - packages should only go in in c

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:00:51AM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 03:01:11AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > > Packages like virus checkers seem to be > > composed of 2 parts: the app program and the data where the data in > > this case are viru

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 10:43:05AM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Kevin Mark said: > > On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:00:51AM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 03:01:11AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote: > > > > Pac

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-09 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 04:37:14PM +0100, paddy wrote: > On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 10:43:05AM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote: > > This one time, at band camp, Kevin Mark said: > > > On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 11:00:51AM +0200, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: > > > > On Sat, Oc

Re: [OT:HUMOR] Re: software

2004-10-11 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 11:37:06PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: Price for Commercial Software: > > Adobe Illustrator CS - 90.00 > > Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Professional - 100.00 > > McAfee Personal Firewall Plus 2004 v. 5.0 - 20.00 > > Adobe Photoshop Elements 2

Need a debian packager for kftpgrabber

2004-10-12 Thread Kevin Smith
http://kftpgrabber.sourceforge.net Anyone that can join the project as a packager? #kftpgrabber on irc.freenode.net Any generous help or time donated would be greatly apprecaited. Regard [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: gfreeamp playlist inquiry

2004-10-22 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 10:05:30PM -0400, Siqueland-Gresch wrote: > > Hello and good evening from Rhode Island ! > > I do not know whether you can help me. Right up front, I am not a programmer > at all. No clue. Not a sausage.So if I sound ignorant it is because I am. > But here it is: > I ha

Bug#158543: RFA: python-pgsql -- A Python DB-API 2.0 interface to PostgreSQL v7.x

2002-08-27 Thread Kevin Lindsay
Package: wnpp Severity: normal Probably being the most common reason, lack of time or commitment. I know people are still using this package, such me, so hopefully someone can adopt it that will keep it updated better than I can. --- Kevin Lindsay

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Debian Developer Packages Overview

2002-08-28 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
ugs.d.o/cgi-bin/packagereport.cgi or should the raw=yes url tag not be included in the link? -- Kevin Rosenberg| .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** http://b9.com/debian.html | : :' : The universal GPG signed and encrypted| `. `' Oper

Re: Bug#158851: ITP: mairix -- indexing and searching email messages stored in Maildir or MH folders.

2002-08-30 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
xing? I don't see any latin support. Since Mairix is in active development (and the author is in the UK), you might want to go to the above web site and write to the author about non-ascii character set support. -- Kevin Rosenberg| .''`. ** Debian GNU/Lin

Request Virtual Package: cl-sql-backend

2002-08-31 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
ckend packages Provides: the virtual package cl-sql-backend. I'm filing a wishlist bug agains debian-policy requesting the addition of the virtual package cl-sql-backend. As per policy, I'll forward the either the consensus or lack of objections to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Re: Request Virtual Package: cl-sql-backend

2002-08-31 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 07:35:08PM -0600, Kevin Rosenberg wrote: > In violation of policy (sorry!), I've been using a virtual package in Oops, never mind. I see now in the policy manual: "Packages MUST NOT use virtual package names (except privately, amongst a cooperating grou

Re: popcon?

2005-01-31 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 01:46:33PM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: > Hi, > > Is master just hopelessly overloaded, or is popcon defunct? I get bounces > ('warning: msg not delivered after 24h') from master. > > cheers > -- vbi > > -- > featured link: http://fortytwo.ch/gpg/intro Hi vbi, IIRC

Re: x86-64 mailing list

2003-04-23 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
this (as I search for an in-stock tyan or msi opteron motherboard). -- Kevin Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Kevin Kreamer
ers access to machines on all 11 arches for building packages? -- Kevin pgpMJGPkyQ1wy.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: doc-html-w3

2001-09-23 Thread Kevin Kreamer
I've been kicking around: >a) doc-w3 (most general, my favorite; perhaps even doc-w3c) >b) doc-markup-w3 (but this name excludes style: CSS2, XSLT, etc) >c) doc-w3c-recommend >d) [your suggestion here] doc-w3c looks best to me, but any would work as long as it is -w3c

Re: RFP: EVMS

2001-12-28 Thread Kevin Corry
w EVMS works or how to get it installed and running. Kevin Corry [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sf.net/projects/evms/

[Evms-devel] Re: RFP: EVMS

2001-12-29 Thread Kevin Corry
On Friday 28 December 2001 23:48, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 10:28:47AM -0600, Kevin Corry wrote: > > The most recent release for EVMS is on our website: > > http://www.sf.net/projects/evms/ The current release is 0.2.4. Our beta > > release (0.9.0) sho

Re: [Evms-devel] EVMS: shared libraries with unversioned sonames

2002-01-01 Thread Kevin Corry
ice to EVMS to use as a new segment to play with. It > was still claimed by the LVM region manager, though (in > LVM_Unassigned_Group). The only way I could release it was to zero out the > first sector and run evms_vgscan. Was there a better way? There is an LVM-emulation utility called 'evms_pvremove' that should be used on unassigned PVs to remove them from the LVM region manager. It is basically the opposite of 'evms_pvcreate'. We are working on similar functionality for the GUI. -Kevin

Re: [Evms-devel] Re: RFP: EVMS

2002-01-01 Thread Kevin Corry
EVMS kernel discovery, try browsing our archives from a couple weeks ago. Andreas and I were discussing the current method, and possible future changes. If you are inclined, it would be interesting to see if you have the same problems if you build EVMS and the SCSI drivers into the kernel instead

Re: [Evms-devel] EVMS: shared libraries with unversioned sonames

2002-01-02 Thread Kevin Corry
; > run 'autoconf' to regenerate 'configure' in the event new plugin or > > user-interface subdirectories were added to the engine. I suppose in the > > future, before releasing a package I should modify the Makefile to not > > delete 'configure' on 'make distclean', since the end-user will have no > > need for this functionality. > > Is the idea to get the latest aclocal.m4, which has the latest list of > plugin subdirectories? If so, another method would be to have a Makefile > rule for building configure which depends on aclocal.m4, something like: > > configure: configure.in aclocal.m4 > autoconf > > (this is what automake does by default) Ok. So the idea would be just to run "make configure" instead of explicitly calling "autoconf"? -Kevin

Re: [Evms-devel] EVMS: shared libraries with unversioned sonames

2002-01-02 Thread Kevin Corry
make configure", it fails because Makefile tries to include make.rules, which is deleted by "make distclean". So you would have to remember to run "make configure" before running "make distclean" in order to pick up the aclocal.m4 changes. Or just revert to running "autoconf". Or is there another way? I'm not very familiar with automake, so I could be totally out-of-whack here. -Kevin

Re: [Evms-devel] EVMS: shared libraries with unversioned sonames

2002-01-02 Thread Kevin Corry
On Wednesday 02 January 2002 08:32, Kevin Corry wrote: > On Tuesday 01 January 2002 14:39, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Currently, the default installation names the library libevms.0.2.4.so > > and libevms.so is a symlink to that. However, the soname is libevms.so: > > &g

Re: [Evms-devel] EVMS: shared libraries with unversioned sonames

2002-01-02 Thread Kevin Corry
On Wednesday 02 January 2002 14:04, Adam Heath wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Kevin Corry wrote: > > What if we used libevms.so.x as the soname, and libevms-x.y.z.so as the > > filename for the library (where x is the version major number, y is > > minor, and z is patchlev

Re: [Evms-devel] EVMS: shared libraries with unversioned sonames

2002-01-02 Thread Kevin Corry
On Wednesday 02 January 2002 14:35, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 08:32:28AM -0600, Kevin Corry wrote: > > If you are interested in creating an automake/libtool setup, give it a > > try and I will look it over and see if we can include it in the future. > >

Re: [Evms-devel] EVMS: shared libraries with unversioned sonames

2002-01-02 Thread Kevin Corry
On Wednesday 02 January 2002 15:01, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 01:18:07PM -0600, Kevin Corry wrote: > > Basically, we don't want to force the user-interfaces to to be > > recompiled on every minor change to the engine core that doesn't change > &g

Re: Remove a package?

2009-05-05 Thread Kevin Coyner
(path > > included) half a year ago, but got no response. Last update of > > official site (http://bcrypt.sourceforge.net/) was in September 2002. > > This program doesn't work and has no support. Is there any reason to > > keep such packages? > I'll be attendin

A proposition for you..

2014-08-13 Thread Kevin Baker
r Web Hosting Business If you are interested or have any questions then don’t hesitate to get in touch and let me know what you offer. What do you think? Thanks! Kevin

Re: Improving our response to "duplicate" packages in Debian

2012-07-01 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:34:01AM +1000, Craig Small wrote: > I'd go even further and say that the reason why people start on > something generally in Free Software projects is to "scratch their itch" > which in Debian could well mean packaing your favourite piece of > software. Has anyone quanti

Bug#686834: ITP: chive -- Chive is a free, open source, web-based database management tool, designed to bring joy to web developers - with easy administration, super fast UI and state of the art web t

2012-09-06 Thread Kevin Gravier
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kevin Gravier * Package name: chive Version : 1.1-1 Upstream Author : Kevin Gravier * URL : http://www.chive-project.com/ * License : GPLv3 Programming Lang: PHP5 Description : Chive is a free, open source, web

Bug#710740: ITP: NoVoHT -- A lightweight persistent in memory hash table

2013-06-01 Thread Kevin Brandstatter
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Package Name: novoht Version: 0.4 Upstream Author: Kevin Brandstatter URL: https://github.com/kev40293/NoVoHT License: Apache 2.0 Description: A lightweight persistent in memory hash table signature.asc Description

Bug#713072: ITP: musl -- musl standard C library

2013-06-22 Thread Kevin Bortis
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kevin Bortis * Package name: musl Version : 0.9.10 Upstream Author : Rich Felker * URL : http://www.musl-libc.org * License : MIT/X Programming Lang: C Description : musl standard C library musl is lightweight

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-14 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> since some people might not read planet debian, here is a link to my > third blog post in a series of posts dealing with the results of the > Debian systemd survey: Well I am behind on my mailing list reading just at the time when it matters for my concerns for debian. I disagree with many of th

Re: default MTA

2013-07-29 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > It might help if we used a bit more precision in terimonolgy. "Not a full > > blown MTA" as described here is a Mail Submission Agent (MSA). See RFC > > 5598 for details: OpenSMTPD has quite recently been released for production and is rather good and worth adding to the review list. http:/

Bug#719951: general: Autoremove Wants to remove Entire system

2013-08-16 Thread Kevin Berley
Package: general Severity: important Dear Maintainer, I was uninstalling Iceweasel cause I wanted the actual firefox. I found the actual firefox way to install. It said remove iceweasel, i did, i installed firefox. It works, I went back to trying to installing wine unstable, well as I was ge

Re: overriding udev rules

2013-08-20 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> olivier sallou writes: > > hi, > > I need for a package to override some udev standard rules. > > > > If I put an identical rule name in /etc/udev/rules.d, I know it overrides > > the one in /lib/udev/rules.d > > > > > > However, lintian raises an error if I put an udev rule in /etc instead of >

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

2013-08-21 Thread Kevin Chadwick
My point of view is that Debian Stable should be aiming for whatever they believe the sweet point between stable and so usable without having problems is and maximising security. Aka maximising productivity and safety with no other concerns or compromises. Large hosting companies not having made t

Re: Custom Reload command/signal in upstart

2013-08-23 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> There is no point to start a daemon unless you actually > need it. This is complete 'modern' crap If you don't want a service started then why are your starting it, because you might want it is a stupid argument with next to no positives. SSH takes a blink of an eye to start. It is far better

Re: Custom Reload command/signal in upstart

2013-08-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> On Aug 23, 2013, at 8:45 PM, James McCoy wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 04:42:15PM -0400, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > >> Imagine there is a vulnerability in SSH which has not been fixed > >> yet for whatever reason. Having SSH run in this situation all the > >> time would make t

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

2013-08-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > Large hosting companies not having made their scripts etc. good enough > > to ride out upgrades well should have nothing to do with any decision. > > I don't think the problem here is with "Large hosting companies not > having made their scripts etc. good enough". I don't think it has > anyt

Re: Longer maintainance for (former) stable releases of Debian (Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian)

2013-08-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Alternately, we could be far more aggressive about removing packages from > oldstable, I suppose, but I don't think that's a good idea; that just > leaves our users with exactly the sorts of choices that we're trying to > avoid. I think it's much cleaner and better for our users to offer full >

Re: Custom Reload command/signal in upstart

2013-08-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Like much of systemd it may seem impressive at first on the face of it > but actually holds little value or doing what are already optional > functions and has not been thought through or come from any great > experience. It has since occured to me that it was alleged on the Gentoo list that the

Re: Custom Reload command/signal in upstart

2013-08-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> In that light the memory saving trade off for security and practicality > actually makes sense as you could save lots and lots of resources on a > massive server or server farm running hundreds or thousands of server > systems per machine etc.. Unless someone conjures up a targeted attack (pleas

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

2013-08-30 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> I wasn't clear, I don't mean you'll do each one as a special snowflake > in-place. I mean, 20,000 machines is simply a lot of machines to > manage. No matter what, upgrading or replacing the OS all within a 1 > year schedule that you do not control and cannot fully predict, is a > big hassle. W

Re: Dreamhost dumps Debian

2013-08-31 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> "Upgrading is easy" is not really a valid retort. Though it does mitigate > the cost, it does not eliminate it. Nobody wants to spend their automation > budget on making upgrading easy enough to do on a whim. There are plenty > of other concerns that automation must address that have nothing to d

Re: First autoremovals happen in about 8 days

2013-10-15 Thread Kevin Chadwick
>xxxterm: bugs 718074, flagged for removal in 8.3 days I use debian offline so it is of no consequence to me however I just wanted to say. xxxterm (now xombrero) is by far my favourite browser and rediculously faster than any other browser whilst still being highly useful and with better whit

Re: Bug#726393: general: Possible malware infections in source packages

2013-10-18 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> I have to join Marc here and say "me too". In my organisation we > actually have those controls in place (antivirus/antimalware) in the > Internet gateways and we do not disable them for specific traffic > flows unless a detailed risk analysis has been done (and approved). Personally I disagree

Re: Bug#726393: general: Possible malware infections in source packages

2013-10-21 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> You can disagree with this approach. However, in my 10+ experience > setting up security gateways for Internet traffic (mostly for > HTTP/FTP/SMTP) I've seen only a few vulnerabilities in the gateways > themselves. Many of the gateways I have deployed are either network > appliances with a Commo

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> XFCE is short of maintainers, both upstream and debian, but 4.12 is > expected to be released sometime in the next 6 months. That said, > everything both debian and upstream is stable, and a number of 4.11 > "development release" packages are able to be uploaded to experimental > if more people c

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > Why should I have installed packages I'm not using and I don't want to > > use? I know it's rhetorical question but not all systems are having > > enough disk space besides I don't like have packages I'm not using on > > my systems. So it's not a solution to anything just kind a nasty > > wor

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> For people who just don't care, are you doing them a favour by installing > xfce rather than GNOME? > > I don't think so. Most of the things people hate about GNOME are things that > GNOME is doing to specifically target people who just don't care. Personally I wouldn't put Gnome 3 in front of

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Pros: > > * CD#1 will work again without size worries > > * Smaller, simpler desktop > > * Works well/better on all supported kernels (?) > > * Does not depend on replacing init * Users can pick and choose components and drop down the size significantly such as for debian embedded or s

Re: let's split the systemd binary package

2013-10-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > I believe that systemd/GNOME upstream is intentionally coupling the two > > in order to force adoption of systemd. There are obviously others who > > do not believe this. If it is true, however, I would consider it > > sufficient justification to both change Debian's default DE and > > elimin

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> * it is buggy. I did install a straightforward install of experimental > GNOME to test if it improved even a bit, running systemd as init, and, with > 2G RAM assigned to the machine, I got an OOM from one of systemd's > components. Excuse me for not looking more closely but purging the machine

Re: let's split the systemd binary package

2013-10-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> without being micromanaged in what they put into their dependency > fields. That's an odd comment as the dependencies should ideally be the very minimal that are absolutely required. (I understand it may not be always easy) -- ___

Re: Please assume good faith (was Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME)

2013-10-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> I'm fed up with repeated attempts to force components on the rest of the > system, but that's mostly a fault of Gnome's upstream There seems to be a trend emanating from packages involving RedHat devs. I actually went to the RedHat site a few weeks ago to try and get some sort of oversight on th

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now

2013-10-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> This is a move to SABOTAGE linux as an OS. I have to admit if RedHat stuck to kernel work, I would be much happier. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to

Re: let's split the systemd binary package

2013-10-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> E.g. XFCE either wants ConsoleKit, or logind. If you look at ConsoleKit, > you'll notice it is NOT maintained. XFCE *needs* neither and in fact the vast vast majority of users do not either. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one

Re: let's split the systemd binary package

2013-10-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> You're aware that GNOME and systemd upstreams are two completely > distinct groups But they do both have strong redhat links, coincidence or not. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-26 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Of course, the gnome default makes adding gnome to the plot not > currently useful. One nice side benefit of at least temporarily > switching the default desktop to xfce would be that if a lot of people > wanted gnome, rather than just picking it as the default, we'd see that > reflected in the p

Pro-Action against dependency hell

2013-10-26 Thread Kevin Chadwick
What can be done to prevent rather than reacting to dependency hell all the time. Some developers obviously get it and yet others seem to pro-actively work in the other direction. There was a time when it was said that this problem was finally heading in the right direction. There is an example t

Re: let's split the systemd binary package

2013-10-26 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> "Session tracking" includes suspending/hibernating, because logind has > a mechanism to let apps delay suspend, which is necessary for things > like closing the inherent race condition in "lock the screensaver when > we suspend... oh, oops, it didn't get scheduled until after we > resumed, so the

Re: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system

2013-10-26 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Steve Langasek has been consistently posting dishonest FUD against > systemd. Maybe you could explain that as excessive zeal following from > valid technical considerations, but I'd consider that an excessively > charitable interpretation for a member of a body that is supposed to > have public t

Re: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system

2013-10-26 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> I recommend one more option, nicknamed "rotten tomatoes", > that basically says that this GR should never have been proposed. And even more so not listened to for a few reasons. Little has changed since the last discussion that I feel came to a reasonable current standing with an overview pos

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-26 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> But that alone is not an argument against introducing new technologies. > One just has to be careful in what is done. Not against new technologies in general but if you are talking about something which you expect every Linux user to use (when actually they can't in deep embedded etc.) then yes

Re: Proposal: switch init system to systemd or upstart

2013-10-26 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> My understanding is that the _kernel_ side wants to change the cgroup > API, and this means that at least in the long term current cgroup-using > applications will need to change in any case (possibly by using systemd > APIs instead). I'm not familiar with the specific case of lxc, but I > really

Re: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system

2013-10-26 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> systemd doing more is quite relevant for this decision as far as I > understand the discussion: unlike upstart, systemd is not just an init > replacement, but offers additional services like journald or logind. I don't mean to be rude but please read up on systemd and see the pros of cons such a

Re: Jessie release goal: DNSSEC as default recursive resolver

2013-10-26 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> If I'm not mistaking (please correct me), Fedora has the feature, and > it's been a long time they do. FreeBSD as well (they have unbound in the > default installer). OpenBSD also removed bind and switched to unbound > (or at least is planning on doing it, I'm not sure). Debian shouldn't be > lef

Re: Jessie release goal: DNSSEC as default recursive resolver

2013-10-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013, at 18:58, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > I believe the reliability (DOS) issues that DNSSEC imposes coupled with > > Please, not this again. If you say DNSSEC DOS issue, you must state all > the other issues that DNS has. > Not really, the security issue

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > * Gnome is said to work fine even on platforms that don't have > > systemd installed. > My understanding from what I've read is that it "works fine" except in > that the features which the ConsoleKit-or-logind dependency provides > aren't available. That's derived from indirect statements fro

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> you need something with big buttons > that is finger-friendly, I'm surprised how much accuracy a capacitive multitouch mobile has when in touchscreen terms it is actually extremely poor (3-4mm) exacerbated by them not responding to nails (conductive), a trade-off for size and multitouch. Many

Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

2013-10-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > OK. I suggest that we *try* that for now. > > If we try, what will be the criteria for assessing whether the > experiment has been successful (and hence worth keeping for Jessie) or a > failure (and hence reverting it)? I think it should be considered that there has been much improvement up

Re: let's split the systemd binary package

2013-10-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > > E.g. XFCE either wants ConsoleKit, or logind. If you look at ConsoleKit, > > > you'll notice it is NOT maintained. > > > > XFCE *needs* neither and in fact the vast vast majority of users do > > not either. > > I check the spec files for Fedora, Mageia, openSUSE. They all seem to > requ

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