* Thomas Bushnell BSG
| Now now, "ls" has been working for a long time. We had bash running
| before the system could even boot.
Amazing. How do you make bash run on a non-booted system? It
certainly sounds zen-ish to me.
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Tolle
build database is
| updated every fifteen minutes, and ASAP. It doesn't get any faster than
| that.
Merkel has a mirror which is updated more often than every mirror
pulse. So, w-b could easily run on merkel or another host which has a
mirror of the accepted queue.
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Tolle
; that I am the only one.
|
| Well, at least the Debian project itself is running some important servers
| on Sparc hardware.
We do?
according to db.d.o, we have auric, kubrick and vore.
auric has a dead RAID, kubrick is down and vore it the sparc buildd.
Nothing important there?
--
rsync://rsync.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git
(or http://www.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git/)
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who
f-sanity-check for the computation of gconf dependencies,
Uhm, this is where you go wrong. You can't just exclude binaries
nilly-willy like this.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it'
. It will obviously be slower than accessing data on local hard
drives, but it should, hopefully, be fully-functional.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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ere's the possibility you might remove
| a later version of the lib and take the config files with it...
That will also get you into an «interesting» situation with
multiarch paths.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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* Josselin Mouette
| Le lundi 09 janvier 2006 à 14:41 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit :
| > | Ladies and gentlemen, this is a perfect example of why linking indirect
| > | dependencies is a very bad thing. Let me explain.
| >
| > No, it's not. At least not in the way GTK &
s an essential package which is
| >not subject to the circular dependency postinst ordering problems afaik.
|
| Well, I'm not sure if that is an excuse for violating policy.
Essential: yes packages must work while unconfigured, so they won't be
bitten by the bug in question here.
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Tollef
xing on our
own.
--
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Pjotr Kourzanov wrote:
Yes, but the point was that mainteners get a warning from the
regular build system that their package is not cross-compile friendly.
That needs to hook into dpkg-buildpackage then, I'm afraid...
Please don't do this. Some packages choose to not be cross-compilation
fri
filter for not letting a child see or read
something some parent might consider harmful is stupid.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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* Ron Johnson
| On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 12:15 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > * Ron Johnson
| >
| > | "They" don't want this inappropriate material dumped into their
| > | children's laps right along side the things that the parents *do*
| > | consider app
was
what I was trying to argue against.
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Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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* Tristan Seligmann
| Where do you draw the line, though?
Easy, maintainer's perogative, as usual.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about
, but so weak 50k
of it is «only»? ;)
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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handle it
as my master's thesis and it seems like Scott James Remnant has done
some work on the dpkg wiki; http://www.dpkg.org/FeatureDependencies .
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t I think
it still does the LESSOPEN magic).
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Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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which would be interesting to explore more, but it's not a high
priority ATM.
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TED] ~ > acpi -V
Thermal 1: ok, 26.0 degrees C
I think the room temperature is 19°C.
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ > acpi -V
Thermal 1: ok, 34.0 degrees C
(This is my home box, so a little less air circulation there.)
Not exactly hot, are they?
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Tollef Fog Heen
* Sven Luther
| And what is the size of the fan, and how much noise does it generate ?
My home box is a 92mm which generates < 20dB. The other one I'm not
sure about, but probably a noisy 60mm (since it's in a server room and
I don't care about noise there).
-
* "Ivan Kirchev"
| Does Debian package management suite provide C APIs for
| easier program manipulation of .deb files?
No, dpkg does not provide any library you can use, yet. It's on the
list of features planned.
--
* George Danchev
| I second suggestion given at #250202 and like to see "unpacked" and
| "patched" targets to hit Policy 4.8.
If so, it should be «unpack» and «patch» to match the build and
install targets.
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Tollef Fog Heen
his will be
| a good thing.
TTBOMK, he hasn't discussed this with the dpkg maintainer, nor has he
made his code public.
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Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNI
* Thomas Bushnell BSG
| Huh? I'm not saying I pretend it isn't there. Do I want to modify
| the source code? No, because there's nothing I could do with it if I
| could.
Sure there is, like, reprogramming the image shown when your computer
boots.
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* Steve Kowalik
| On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:54:01 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen uttered
| > TTBOMK, he hasn't discussed this with the dpkg maintainer, nor has he
| > made his code public.
|
| Er, Adam Heath has made plenty of uploads of dpkg, and is listed as an
| Uploader.
Yes, but (again,
m not sure I want to introduce
that so late in the release cycle.
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Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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ollef Fog Heen,''`.
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e biggest part.
--
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es at the time Packages has been updated on
| ftp.fr.debian.org, at least.
Ask the mirror admin. Most mirrors aren't under Debian's control.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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* Humberto Massa
| Isn't there a way to write a "trigger" to be... hmmm... triggered in
| case some specific package (/in/ /casu/ one of the MUAs) get
| installed/uninstalled/reconfigured?
Not yet. One of the many to-be-implemented dpkg features.
--
x27;s not a bug of the
«RC-severities», or the other way around (aka «sarge-ignore»).
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about
ssary patches now, but the support is disabled
by default in Debian. It'll be enabled post-sarge.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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* Ralf Wildenhues
| * Tollef Fog Heen wrote on Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 09:45:03PM CEST:
| > * Ralf Wildenhues
| >
| > | I would be much happier if someone with time would just help to put
| > | this into libtool properly as an option (and possible adjust pkg-config,
| > | FWIW).
* Ed Cogburn
| We ARE Debian for Heaven's sake!
I can't see that you've done anything at all for the AMD64 port, nor
are you a DD. Please go troll somewhere else.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly,
omain. No packages should drop files into /srv as the
structure is left unspecified.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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* Andreas Barth
| Agreed. We should IMHO make such a requirement to be part of etchs
| release policy.
How are you going to solve the problem ia32-libs solves if not in this
way?
(Unless we want to make etch fully multiarchified, which I don't think
we will.)
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Tollef Fog
* Daniel Jacobowitz
| On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 03:50:29PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > * Andreas Barth
| >
| > | Agreed. We should IMHO make such a requirement to be part of etchs
| > | release policy.
| >
| > How are you going to solve the problem ia32-libs solves if n
ones.
FWIW, Âme tooÂ. I'd hate to see the listing go away completely, but
trimming it to only show new entries might be a good idea.
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UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' :
`. `'
`-
P
| > posting with only new entries on -devel?
|
| FWIW, this is what the new posting looks like:
| http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2005/05/msg00480.html
Throw in a link to the full list for RFA/O/RFH too? Apart from that,
I'd love to see it on d
. I don't have to
coordinate uploads, checkins and so on with myself, for packages with
comaintainers, I do.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's j
cause we want to test for buildability. We want to make it possible
to change any part of the program and barring real errors, it should
still build. That upstream writes crap configure.in/.ac and
Makefile.ams is not an excuse, it's just a bug which should be fixed.
--
Tolle
* Michelle Konzack
| The BUG, described by me, occures if you upgrade from WOODY to SARGE.
Could you please stop yelling at our releases?
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who
g the
old library package off an admin's system so unless the admin removes
it himself the local binaries should work fine.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky
fork to me.
It's a spoon.
| Also, when Ubuntu makes improvements to packages how do those
| improvements flow back to Debian?
Patches to bugs, debian maintainers picking up the patches from the
patch repository, inter-team communication. It depends.
--
Tollef Fog
* Stephen Birch
| Tollef Fog Heen([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2005-05-31 18:06:
| > * Stephen Birch
| >
| > | The project seems to have established a mechanism for putting new
| > | packeges directly into Ubuntu. Are new Ubuntu packages also put in
| > | Debian by the Ubuntu team member
My autofs configuration package will attempt to divert
| /etc/auto.master in preinst, and unpack my own /etc/auto.master in it's place.
Be aware of the fact that diverting conffiles doesn't work.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is
te a tool that compares Debian
| and Ubuntu packages and provides a web based view of the delta so we
| can track divergence.
You mean http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ which has been
there for at least half a year?
--
Tollef
for maintainers to be able to block
particular NMUs if they think it's the wrong fix for a bug or
something similar.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about
* John Goerzen
| If it matters, I'll add my voice to the chorus on that. Anything that
| requires me to go off to the net to fix takes longer to fix and is
| more annoying to deal with.
Well, some people like just having a link to a patch. Me for
instance.
--
Tollef Fog
* Matthew Palmer
| On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 08:07:33AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > * John Goerzen
| >
| > | If it matters, I'll add my voice to the chorus on that. Anything that
| > | requires me to go off to the net to fix takes longer to fix and is
| > | more a
-release/2005/04/msg00153.html is what
Ubuntu is already doing. Note that some of the people involved in the
Ubuntu transition are Matthias Klose and Jeff Bailey so it would be
nice if you didn't go about spreading FUD like that.
--
Tollef Fog
dHat staff, SuSE staff, IBM staff and employees of other
organisations? Debian isn't under the control of any of those
organisations; that should be fairly obvious.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's just p
's
a good start to having portable code.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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t's RC there) rather than tracking down bugs which are less
important (bugs.d.o-important) but affects more users that is not
necessarily a good way to spend my time.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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`. `'
`-
| ..
| fi
Look at the laptop-detect package in ubuntu. It should probably be
uploaded to Debian too, even though it's really simple (37 lines of
shell, it looks like).
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's
l upstream
maintainers» is absolutely silly. But then, I'm one of those people
who don't like attachments at all and tend to give people URLs, if
possible, for normal mails too.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user frien
* Julien BLACHE
| A bug is a bug, whether it triggers or not.
It's not RC and therefore not a priority if it has no effect.
Similarly, I'd expect Debian maintainers to care less about bugs which
only affects OpenBSD or Windows than those which affect Linux on i386.
--
Tolle
h too, even though it hasn't been used for anything yet.
--
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`. `'
`-
hat around just like that, it will break in the
cases where people ssh in from machines with latin1 locales for
instance (and use the PassEnv feature of newer SSHs). To me, it looks
like you can't ever change the charset of a locale once it is created.
--
* Roger Leigh
| Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|
| > * Roger Leigh
| >
| > | - When UTF-8 is the default locale, it shouldn't need a .UTF-8 suffix,
| > | e.g. en_GB will be UTF-8, and en_GB.ISO-8859-1 will be Latin-1 (the
| > | opposite way round to t
* Miles Bader
| I always assumed that if downgrading didn't work, it was a bug; is this
| not true?
Downgrades are not and have not been supported.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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* Bill Allombert
| On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:31:24PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > * Julien BLACHE
| >
| > | A bug is a bug, whether it triggers or not.
| >
| > It's not RC and therefore not a priority if it has no effect.
|
| Why do you assume it is non-RC ?
Becaus
* Julien BLACHE
| Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
| > Similarly, I'd expect Debian maintainers to care less about bugs which
| > only affects OpenBSD or Windows than those which affect Linux on i386.
|
| Would you mind explaining why this sentence is at all
res
you're actively going to use, I think either using apt-src heavily or
moving to gentoo would be better options for you. Debian is
distributing binaries which usually have most options turned on and I
don't foresee that changing.
--
Tollef Fog Heen
ere are still loads and loads of
users out there with clients which interpret everything as Latin1.)
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's just pic
* Brian May
| klibc? Not yet in Debian, is there any reason for this?
It's just been ITP-ed;
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=312563
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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* Andreas Gredler
| - Network boot: PXE cards in older HW are as rare as motherboards
| booting from USB, IMO.
A new PXE-capable networking card costs in the range of 20€ and should
work on most machines.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,'&#x
eams would inherit that
quality this could be acceptable to them.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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* Scott James Remnant
| A definitive example would be the (eventually abandoned) attempt by
| Ximian to provide debs for Helix GNOME.
At the same time, I've never had a problem Opera debs provided by
Opera Software.
--
Tollef Fog
* Eric Dorland
| * Tollef Fog Heen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
| > * Eric Dorland
| >
| > | BTW, any Ubuntu developers care to comment? I'm interested in second
| > | opinions and how you guys are handling this situation? Did you accept
| > | an arrangement with MoFo?
|
nts
(irssi) doesn't have recode support (yet).
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Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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;t install any screensavers. Why did you?
Because dpms doesn't lock your screen and provide at least _some_
security.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,'&#x
receive
incoming mail for the lists.)
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who
So having you maintainer address be a sink to /dev/null would be fine
since you can read bug reports on the web.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX
ollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about
| Then I'm afraid you simply haven't read the documentation ...
It breaks tab-completion based on .ssh/known_hosts which I find really
bad.
--
Tollef Fog Heen
Rafael Laboissiere skrev:
I think that, in the case of responsive list moderators, this is indeed
the right thing to do. However, I do not know how to configure Mailman
for doing it. Does someone know?
Set respond_to_post_requests to no. It's under notifications on the
general settings pag
at I do. Not having flash is a
good, not a bad thing to me at least. :-)
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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ing [EMAIL PROTECTED]
as the maintainer of the apache packages appropriate?
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Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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oned depend on dpkg can ensure the new dpkg is used
| to handle the package ?
It can't, since dpkg doesn't re-exec itself.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it'
* Bill Allombert
| On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 01:40:12PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > It can't, since dpkg doesn't re-exec itself.
|
| Does not that depend whether apt special-case dpkg upgrade ?
We do support upgrades with other tools than apt, so while it might
cover the comm
moval in a bit.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
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Steve Langasek skrev:
So can we have apache2.2 uploaded to unstable so that this can happen? :-)
Working on it. We are going to rename apache2-common to
apache2.2-common and any apache modules must depend on the appropriate
-common to ensure they are removed when an incompatible apache is
Martijn van Oosterhout skrev:
Which is all crap. Yes, this is the list you need for static, but
pkg-config is recursing through modules even for dynamic linking which
is wrong. Now either pkg-config of the gtk+2 pc file needs to be
fixed, then you can start recompiling all the affected programs.
Steve Langasek skrev:
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:51:36AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
So can we have apache2.2 uploaded to unstable so that this can happen? :-)
Working on it. We are going to rename apache2-common to
apache2.2-common and any apache modules must depend on the appropriate
installed and I
| get this. This first time is with Requires, the second is with
| Requires.private. My understanding is that the results should be the
| same?
They should. You've found a bug. (I'm fairly sure what the problem
is and think I know how to fix it, though.) Plea
h places at once is what I'd do.
(Or rather, I'd release a new upstream version and upload that to
Debian immediately. Except for the freeze, that is.)
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it&#x
Steve Langasek skrev:
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 10:12:11AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
I intended to upload last night, but ran out of time due to a) headache
and b) libtool.
I enjoy that you listed libtool separately from the headache ;)
I don't think libtool-induced headache c
Russ Allbery skrev:
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Probably, but in practice we aren't going to get useful coverage from
maintainers until an upload to unstable forces them to act.
Speaking as one of those maintainers, I hate to try to build against
experimental because it's diff
Tollef Fog Heen skrev:
Steve Langasek skrev:
Any news on this? I'd like to ask the ftpmasters to expedite the NEW
processing for it, but I can't before it's been uploaded. :)
Yes, I was ill yesterday too, so didn't get around to doing it. I'm
working on it toda
oblems for those packages's migration to
testing, since there will be out-of-date binaries for slow arches in
the archive. (Or the release team will have to get the old binaries
removed for said slow architectures.)
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Tollef Fog Heen
same conclusion before. If anybody has
less bad suggestions, please do chime in.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user f
Bastian Venthur skrev:
Is this upstreams default or our? I mean I just cannot imagine that
apache ignores index.php files by default.
Why not?
So, was the change intentional or just a mistake?
That it was removed completely was a mistake. That it doesn't include
index.php is not a mistak
fg
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w$ tmp="$@"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w$ set -- blah
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w$ set -- $tmp
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w$ echo $1
abcd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w$
If you need arrays, use bash or a proper programming language.
--
Tollef Fog Heen
e and cool in the basement without having to worry about the
heat or the icky yellow thing on the sky.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about
the author's death (even
for really old code from, say, 1950) and if it clearly is
copyrightable, it will be under copyright.
--
Tollef Fog Heen,''`.
UNIX is user friendly, i
* Marco Cabizza
| gaim-libnotify is a gaim plugin which displays notification bubbles
| in Gaim using libnotify and notification-daemon.
I presume you're already aware of gaim-guifications which does the
same thing, though without libnotify and n-d?
--
Tollef Fog
Alexis Sukrieh wrote:
As you might have noticed, the last policy version (3.7.0) says that
web application packages must not put CGIs under `/usr/lib/cgi-bin'
anymore:
Given that apache2 has almost a magnitude more installations than all
the other web servers in Debian (sans apache 1) combine
Roberto Lumbreras wrote:
Hey, again, don't be so rude...
Being harsh is not the same as being rude.
some of those serious policy violations are things like mistakes
erasing logfiles and editing conffiles that couldn't be done in
another way.
Are you serious? There's no excuse, ever, for e
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