Re: xfce-goodies - help needed; Rudy Godoy MIA?

2005-01-19 Thread Andrew Lau
e of the administrators of [0], would you mind > adding Simon, Rudy and me to the project? We can coordinate the work > there. > > [0] http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-xfce/ Sure, I just need a list of your Alio

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-23 Thread Andrew Pollock
art it manually via /etc/init.d It almost needs to be a question as to whether you want the start link in /etc/rc?.d/ regards Andrew -- linux.conf.au 2005 - http://linux.conf.au/ - Birthplace of Tux April 18th to 23rd - http://linux.conf.au/ - LINUX Canberra, Australia - http://linux

Bug#1485: xntp doesn't start server by default

1995-09-28 Thread Andrew Howell
.deb) ... > Setting up xntp ... > Please enter the address of your NTP server. > Just hit enter if you don't know it now, and you can edit > the server line in /etc/ntp.conf later. > > ntp0.csx.cam.ac.uk > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> > > However, no xn

Re: xntp-3.4x fails to compile with linux 1.3.30

1995-10-02 Thread Andrew Howell
Torsten Duwe writes: > >> That is a libc problem. I sent a patch to HJL over a year ago to > >> prevent this, it got into the libc-source as README.distributors right > >> away. Obviously some distributors didn't read it :-(. > > Andrew> A

Bug#1531: syslogd continues to write to old file after savelog

1995-10-03 Thread Andrew Howell
73 132 ? S Sep 28 1:01 /sbin/syslogd After I kill -HUPed the syslogd process it started writing to the proper logs i.e. daemon again. Andrew --- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment

Bug#1531: syslogd continues to write to old file after savelog

1995-10-03 Thread Andrew Howell
I just looked into this a little more. It seems that the /var/run file for syslog has changed. /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd tries to do this. kill -1 `cat /var/run/syslog.pid` but the file in /var/run is now this -rw-r--r-- 1 root root3 Sep 28 13:53 syslogd.pid Andrew

Bug#823: starting tcsh causes network traffic

1995-10-03 Thread Andrew Howell
I haven't been able to reproduce this bug with my version of tcsh so I'm closing this bug. Andrew --- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:- of

Bug#1710: popclient can't read my mail box

1995-10-20 Thread Andrew Howell
Package: netstd Version: 1.18-1 popclient fails to read my mailbox whether the following error [kryten:/home/andrew] popclient -u andrew localhost Enter mailserver password: kryten POP3 Server (Version 1.004) ready. cannot open mailbox /var/spool/mail/andrew [kryten:/home/andrew] dir /var/spool

Bug#1710: popclient can't read my mail box

1995-10-20 Thread Andrew Howell
opclient and they both failed as well Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:- off line for 36 hours, re-boot startup disk, and replace head - wow, what a night! -- Kryten in Red Dwa

Re: Mirror sites still having problems

1995-10-21 Thread Andrew Howell
27;t enjoy missing out on your timing of the move and having my mirror delete itself and then refetch the whole damn thing again. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:- off line for 36 hours, re-boot startup disk,

Bug#1730: forwarded message from Cron Daemon

1995-10-22 Thread Andrew Howell
Ian Jackson writes: > > Package: xntpd > Version: 3.4s-0 > > The logfile rotation should proceed quietly, without mailing the > sysadmin. Add >/dev/null to the call to savelog. This was fixed in 3.4x-1 Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%,

Re: ChangeLog format

1995-10-22 Thread Andrew Howell
#x27;ll retire dchanges(1) and > switch with little or no complaint. I like dchanges for the simple fact that it does the tiresome md5sum and size of file work for me, and it's standardised many of the package annoucements. If we switch to something else I'd want a similiar tool to

Bug#1735: apropos(1) segfaults

1995-10-22 Thread Andrew Howell
screwed up and forcing it to rebuild it with mandb fixed it. Still it shouldn't really core dump even if the database is corrupt. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:- off line for 36 hours, re-

Bug#1763: sysklogd init script has no links to rcx.d

1995-10-25 Thread Andrew Howell
e, it's now called "sysklog". rm -f /etc/cron.weekly/syslogd /etc/init.d/syslogd \ /etc/rc[0-6].d/[SK]20syslogd \ /etc/rc[0-6].d/[SK]20sysklogd Your making the links, then deleting them afterwards. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evenin

Bug#1763: sysklogd init script has no links to rcx.d

1995-10-25 Thread Andrew Howell
new disk set Bruce is making I wouldn't call it moot. > Removing the user's configuration and replacing it with the default > one isn't good. I agree. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:

Bug#1763: sysklogd init script has no links to rcx.d

1995-10-26 Thread Andrew Howell
Ian Jackson writes: > Installing the new package will probably wipe out the user's > configuration, including the syslog.conf !! No it doesn't it was written nicely so you get to keep your old configs. The only thing wrong with it is what I mentioned in my bug report. Andrew --

Bug#1770: xntp dumps core with kernel 1.3.35

1995-10-28 Thread Andrew Howell
? Last time I looked the next version of xntp which was supposed to fix the problem hadn't been released. When it is I'll make a new package and fix whatever problems come along. I did say this about 5 days ago to a similiar bug report. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previo

Bug#1763: sysklogd init script has no links to rcx.d

1995-10-28 Thread Andrew Howell
Martin Schulze writes: > > Hallo Andrew Howell! > > }update-rc.d sysklogd defaults 10 90 >/dev/null > > Remember: 10 and 90 (!!) > > }# Purge the files of the old "syslog" package, it's now called "sysklog". > } > }rm -f /etc/cron.weekly/s

Bug#1782: no_root_squash fails with nfs

1995-10-30 Thread Andrew Howell
Package: netstd Version: 1.20 When mounting an nfs volume with no_root_squash set things worked fine for a while then my root uid seemed to get squashed for some reason. Unmounting and mounting again seemed to solve the problem. I'm not quite sure what caused this. [kryten:/home/andrew]

Free CD's to authors

1995-11-06 Thread Andrew Howell
Some of the authors of the software we have packages have asked for a free copy of the CD in return for them letting us put it on the CD, or just out of gratitude. What's our policy on this? I assume if they did it would be Bruce's or the FSF's CD? Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%,

Re: Free CD's to authors

1995-11-07 Thread Andrew Howell
Bill Mitchell writes: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Howell) said: > > > Some of the authors of the software we have packages have asked for > > a free copy of the CD in return for them letting us put it on the CD, > > Which would seem to contradict their copyright st

Re: Free CD's to authors

1995-11-07 Thread Andrew Howell
s I understand our distribution policies, packages which we don't have permission to put on the CD go in non-free. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:- off line for 36 hours, re-boot startup disk, and replace

Re: Free CD's to authors

1995-11-07 Thread Andrew Howell
CD without having to check for permission. That's a valid point, I think I mentioned the FSF's proposed CD at the time of asking him. Maybe it should be moved into non-free. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair

md5sum passwords

1995-11-12 Thread Andrew Howell
After discussing security with some friends we got around to using md5 instead of crypt. This has been brought up before but nothing much seemed to happen. Is debian going to switch to md5 with 1.0 or are people opposed to this? Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2

Re: Bug#1859: Start/stop scripts do not work when not invoked by init

1995-11-13 Thread Andrew Howell
Ian Jackson writes: > > Harald Schueler writes: > > I think "functions" should restore the arguments. The following patch > > makes works for me: > > I prefer the patch below. Heh :) Remember we're being nice to each other now Ian :) Andrew -- Dehy

Re: Bug#1859: Start/stop scripts do not work when not invoked by init

1995-11-13 Thread Andrew Howell
e with you, was just trying to find some humour in a not very amusing day. I'm onto my 3rd day of trying to upload a package, my net link is pathetic at the moment :( Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:- off

returned mailed everytime I mail to debian-changes

1995-11-14 Thread Andrew Howell
L PROTECTED] > > Your mail could not be delivered because of the following reason: > > >- Transcript of session follows - > No matching or similar name in the people > database for 'jasonbramsden'. Can he be removed from the debian-changes list or som

Re: md5sum passwords

1995-11-14 Thread Andrew Howell
empts at using crack on a passwd file. MD5 being much slower than DES and also just the fact that you can't count on the password being 8 characters long anymore would make it a quite a more difficult process. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassm

rxvt doesn't need to be suid (fwd)

1995-11-17 Thread Andrew Howell
good idea to me. What do other people think. Is it really that bad for us to have setuid binaries, xterm is suid as well. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:- off line for 36 hours, re-boot start

ELF and fpic

1995-11-20 Thread Andrew Howell
Can someone who knows a bit about elf and fpic tell me when do you use fpic? Is it just for compiling shared libraries or what? What compiler options should we be using for compiling stuff under elf? Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91

Can't unmount /usr

1995-11-21 Thread Andrew Howell
on my /usr partition or something? /usr is a seperate partition on my system. Any ideas would be extremely welcome. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:- off line for 36 hours, re-boot startup disk, and replace head - w

Bug#1656: etc/ntp.drift should be somewhere in /var (FSSTND)

1995-11-21 Thread Andrew Howell
riftfile ) > - or the default should be changed in the source. Does anyone have any suggestions for this? Should I leave ntp.drift in /etc or move it to /var/run or /var/lib/xntp? Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule

Re: antisocial X11 apps: xtet42, chimera

1995-11-23 Thread Andrew Howell
inn, netscape and quite a few other things and it took about 3 seconds to pop up. Is your 486 a dx? Do you have any video memory left over for a font cache? How much RAM do you have? What kind of video card? Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor

Re: antisocial X11 apps: xtet42, chimera

1995-11-23 Thread Andrew Howell
and line. xtet42 depends on X11R6 and recommends xserver. This is what Ian Murdoch said all X packages should do. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:- off line for 36 hours, re-boot startup disk, and replace h

Re: antisocial X11 apps: xtet42, chimera

1995-11-23 Thread Andrew Howell
he 386 I used > to run, which was about 4.3. Hmmm you said it was a 40 MHz machine? but you think you get 6 something bogomips, that sounds strange. My understanding of bogomips for 486s is that it's half the clockspeed. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening -

Re: antisocial X11 apps: xtet42, chimera

1995-11-24 Thread Andrew Howell
dependencies quite simply I don't see why you are having a problem getting around recommends. Though I never use dselect, maybe that's your problem. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:- off line for

Bug#1902: manpage for wtmp wrong

1995-11-26 Thread Andrew Howell
ld be a manpages > problem rather than a base problem... Oh while I'm at it, I'm not sure but it > could be the same error for the utmp. /var/adm is linked to /var/log, wtmp is in /var/adm. utmp is in /var/run wtmp is not in /etc on my system Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection

Re: kernel crisis?

1995-11-26 Thread Andrew Howell
nting and quota patches should make it into 1.4. They've > been stable and waiting to go in for quite a while. Personally I'd be surprised if we got a 1.4 before january, I'd say we've probably got another 20 patches of 1.3 to go at least, it's only just become stable si

Bug#1656: etc/ntp.drift should be somewhere in /var (FSSTND)

1995-11-27 Thread Andrew Howell
Marek Michalkiewicz writes: > > Andrew Howell: > > There is already a /var/log/ntpstats directory, but I don't think it's > > really the right place for it, it's not really a log file. Unless someone > > really objects I think I'll just leave it in /e

Bug#1770: xntp dumps core with kernel 1.3.35

1995-11-27 Thread Andrew Howell
ere would need to be _2_ xntp > packages, one for old kernels, one for new kernels. Eugh!! > > Can anyone think of a better idea ? I've fixed this core dumping problem in xntp-3.4x-2. It seems to run fine under 1.2.x kernels as well. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of pr

Re: readline and bfd libraries?

1995-11-28 Thread Andrew Howell
ry -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:- off line for 36 hours, re-boot startup disk, and replace head - wow, what a night! -- Kryten in Red Dwarf `The Last Day' Andrew Howell

Re: Missing X references

1995-11-28 Thread Andrew Howell
> xmalloc.c(.text+0x301): undefined reference to `XConvertSelection' > [... and so on ...] > > Was there a change to the X libs that I missed? I compiled and ran > fine with the old a.out compiler. Once I solve this, I can release > wine to Debian. I'm assuming that we ne

Bug#1825: samba not completely killed by pre/post-rm

1995-11-28 Thread Andrew Howell
Ian Jackson writes: > > Package: samba > Version: 1.9.14-1 > > We removed a newly-installed samba package, and it left an `nmbd' or > some such process running, which appeared to be a child of the > correctly-killed `smbd'. A SIGTERM fixed it. Fixed in 1.9.15p4

Re: bogo-1.2-1 released

1995-11-28 Thread Andrew Howell
y about that. I'm glad we're being nice to each other now :) Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:- off line for 36 hours, re-boot startup disk, and replace head - wow, what a night!

Re: Linux init-time errors since elf upgrade

1995-11-29 Thread Andrew Howell
nside bash isn't going > to help save space in /. And it's going to chew up valuable memory as well. If we had a statically linked bash I think we'd want a one using the shared libaries as well. Much simplier to keep readline in /lib Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of pr

Re: watch-1.0-2

1995-11-29 Thread Andrew Howell
Bill Mitchell writes: > Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said, regarding package diffs: > > Wibble. > > What's a wibble? Never seen blackadder? :) Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repair schedule:-

Re: watch-1.0-2

1995-11-29 Thread Andrew Howell
his nose?". Never got into it. Most British > humor goes right past me (Except Monty Python -- that gang was > hilarious!). Check out Red Dwarf, very good british humour :) Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evening - 2%, embarrassment factor - 91%. Advise repa

Bug#1936: ncurses stuffs up line wrapping

1995-12-02 Thread Andrew Howell
Package: ncurses-runtime Version: 1.9.7a-1 After running any program which uses ncurses lines which are longer than the width of my screen don't wrap onto the next line in a shell. This happens with TERM set to vt102 and xterm. Andrew -- Dehydration - 34%, Recollection of previous evenin

Re: SLIP not working?

1996-08-01 Thread Andrew Howell
or particular network procotols I think. I've had those warnings for many kernels and SLIP still works for me (just couldn't be bothered fixing the file, was waiting for some debian thing to do it for me :)) Andrew -- Of course...lager...the only thing that can kill

Bug#4133: Samba goes into busy loop?

1996-08-14 Thread Andrew Howell
a more stable release. > > I believe 1.9.15beta? or 1.8.? (which I was running on a slackware > system that was recently replaced by the debian system) did not exhibit > this bug. Yes I've noticed this myself, I'm looking into it. Andrew -- Of course...lager...the only thing

My Packages

1996-09-19 Thread Andrew Howell
rcii ytalk tcsh tf xinvaders mandelspawn and any others i've forgotten about :) Hopefully I'll have time again eventually to contribute to Debian again. Thanks Andrew -- Of course...lager...the only thing that can kill a vindaloo. -- Lister, fighting the vindaloo monster in Red

Re: My Packages

1996-09-21 Thread Andrew Howell
Sven Rudolph writes: > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Howell) writes: > > > Hi, I'm very sorry to say that I don't have the time that I need > > to continue looking after my packages anymore. So anyone that > > wants t

My Packages to go

1996-09-21 Thread Andrew Howell
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> xtet42 Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> xntpBdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> samba Klee Dienes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ksmbfs Klee Dienes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> These still need a maintainer p2c rxvt ircii ytal

Bug#4434: lynx 2.6

1996-09-24 Thread Andrew Howell
ted? > > If not could I ask that you submit your update to /Incoming as an interium > release. Squid was upgraded this way and this was also appreciated. > > Thanks for your efforts. U slightly confused now :) Why did you report this as a bug? Also this got mailed to me, and

Packages that still need a maintainer

1996-09-26 Thread Andrew Howell
Ed Petron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ytalk Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> rxvt ircii tf mandelspawn xtron Andrew -- Of course...lager...the only thing that can kill a vindaloo. -- Lister, fighting the vindaloo monster in Red Dwarf `DNA' Andrew Howell

Re: Weird errors from update-alternatives

1999-10-05 Thread Andrew Pimlott
. If you want help pursuing this further, let me know. You can also see bug 37254 I reported against dpkg for its role in the fiasco. Andrew

how about a real unstable?

2000-03-28 Thread Andrew Lenharth
-date our main packages will be. Andrew Lenharth Remember, never ask a geek "why"; just nod your head and back away slowly... -- Given infinite time, 100 monkeys could type out the complete works of Shakespeare. Win 98 source code? Eight mon

Re: dwww: cat and file (pipe race condition)

2000-04-02 Thread Andrew Pimlott
just kill it after reading what it needs from magic2mime. Course, this might be a problem if any of the programs in the pipeline handle their buffers in unfortunate ways, causing the output from magic2mime to wait for the completion of $process My apologies if you understood this and I just misread your message. Andrew

Re: Bochs / VGA-Bios license question / freebios anyone?

2000-08-14 Thread Andrew Lenharth
I originally ITPed bochs. Unfortunately it would have to go in non-free. the VGA-BIOS included is licensed only for use and distribution with bochs. It therefor cannot be seperated into a seperate package from bochs (and if bochs is packaged, it should ge removed from the source archive. Andrew

ITP: tct (The coroner's toolkit)

2000-08-17 Thread Andrew Stribblehill
shall withdraw my ITP. I'm in the NM queue -- would anybody be so good as to sponsor me for this? Thanks, Andrew Stribblehill Systems Programmer, IT Service, University of Durham, England

Re: End of the line for Epic?

2000-09-08 Thread Andrew Stribblehill
tly for stats to be valid. Unknown: No files in the package were used in the statistics calculation. Package Vote Old Recent Unknown epic4 465627 0 epic 19 12012 0 Cheerio, And

Re: package pool and big Packages.gz file

2001-01-06 Thread Andrew Stribblehill
Quoting Goswin Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>>>> " " == Sami Haahtinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Or, can rsync sync binary files? > > Of cause, but forget it with compressed data. Doesn't gzip have a --rsync option,

Re: Solving the compression dilema when rsync-ing Debian versions

2001-01-08 Thread Andrew Lenharth
e Data Compression Book" by Nelson (?) for a fairly good overview of how these work. What is better and easier is to ensure that the compression is deturministic (gzip by default is not, bzip2 seems to be), so that rsync can decompress, rsync, compress, and get the exact file back on the other side. Andrew Lenharth

Re: Solving the compression dilema when rsync-ing Debian versions

2001-01-10 Thread Andrew Lenharth
han "gzip foo" would. I really suggets you investigate LZW based algorithms. You would find they do not behave as you think. Only incredibly simple static compression algorithms have the properties you desire. Andrew Lenharth

Bug#195663: ITP: libgtksourceview1.0-0 -- Syntax highlighting widget for GTK+

2003-06-01 Thread Andrew Lau
-- -- * Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau Computer Science & Student Rep, UNSW * * # apt-get into itDebian GNU/Linux Package Maintainer * * * * 1024D/2E8B68BD: 0B77 73D0 4F3B F286 63F1 9F4A 9B24

Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-21 Thread Andrew Suffield
ove it or lose it. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -><- | London, UK pgpmF5MQLLh5i.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#198158: architecture i386 isn't i386 anymore

2003-06-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
, we should not > go to CPU like i486 and just move to a Pentium Classic > code (i586). I vaguely recall something similar about the i586. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `'

Re: no freshness dating inside Packages.gz

2003-06-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
tiv.org/> Correct, most people have never heard of this thing. Furthermore, it's broken (zero-sized replies). -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -><- | London, UK pgp3C912GkzJX.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#198602: ITP: debbackup -- Backup and restore Debian specifics (package status, conffiles)

2003-06-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
of an RC bug is a laughing matter. Sure, people who have sticks up their arses don't. Mocking them is great fun. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -><- | London, UK pgpDxIcyo6AJZ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: no freshness dating inside Packages.gz

2003-06-25 Thread Andrew Pollock
tp://changelogs.credativ.org/> Any reason this functionality can't be incorporated into packages.debian.org? Andrew

Bug#198771: ITP: gnome-network -- Network tools suite for the GNOME desktop

2003-06-25 Thread Andrew Lau
PE=C -- -- * Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau Computer Science & Student Rep, UNSW * * # apt-get into itDebian GNU/Linux Package Maintainer * * * * 1024D/2E8B68BD: 0B77 73D0 4F3B F286 63F1 9F4A 9

Re: Retirement, etc

2003-06-26 Thread Andrew Lau
. Yours sincerely, Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau -- ------ * Andrew "Netsnipe" Lau Computer Science & Student Rep, UNSW * * # apt-get into itDebian GNU/Linux Package Maintainer * * *

Re: but I want the GNU versions of packages

2003-06-30 Thread Andrew Suffield
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Re: postrm::downgrade?

2003-07-02 Thread Andrew Suffield
should point out that there are a number of changes which _cannot_ be rolled back. Upgrading a libdb database to a new format version is a good example. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `'

Re: Debconf or not debconf

2003-07-02 Thread Andrew Suffield
. It is not. Do not break the user system. Then no warnings are necessary. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -><- | London, UK pgpW7OSzuLXYv.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
documentation doesn't have to be". We have historically allowed some free non-software things into the archive, since it doesn't matter very much. Why does anybody think that allowing non-free non-software things into the archive is acceptable? -- .''`. ** Debian GN

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
re as something which is in compliance with Debian's principles, perhaps. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -><- | London, UK pgpv9xNnOeo1L.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:19:59PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:23:14PM +0200, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > >> > That would be clause #1 of the Debian Social Contract. > >> &

Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
> > What do you propose ? > Do you think Debian must keep old version of stunnel (3.x) for compatibility Given how it sounds like upstream are completely incompetent and have decided to gratuitously break compatibility, that sounds like a good idea. > and do not include new version ?

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
le things that are not packaged. Including a wide range of commercial software. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -><- | London, UK pgpQv0gYmUKqP.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
ation you describe is unlikely to occur because few > people are perverse enough to make their software free but their > documentation very non-free. This is precisely the scenario we are currently discussing. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Lin

Re: Debconf or not debconf : Conclusion

2003-07-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:18:10AM +0200, Julien LEMOINE wrote: > On Friday 04 July 2003 01:52, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > What do you propose ? > > > Do you think Debian must keep old version of stunnel (3.x) for > > > compatibility > > > > Given

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
low the DFSG". If you want to call it software, that's fine; we know what to do with software. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -><- | London, UK pgptRcuKfKiVX.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
re to be self-consequent? If you have something _new_ to add to the discussion, please do so (on -legal). Otherwise, kindly piss off. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -><- | London, UK pgpwvtnnuYDOb.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
eds to include non-free things". I think you'll find a lot of people disagreeing with you. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -><- | London, UK pgpQMUHlTVjdD.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
ribes which are the accepted licenses for > documentation and points to some discussions about the subject in > debian-legal. This claims the GNU FDL is acceptable, so it's worse than useless. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 07:47:32PM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > Andrew Suffield wrote: > >>people to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ddp-policy/ch-common.en.html. > > This claims the GNU FDL is acceptable, so it's worse than useless. > It claims that GNU FDL sans

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 12:47:19PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:43:10PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > You have some free software, and it comes with a manual. > > Your counter example does not apply to IETF Standards documentation. It > is not

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 02:30:47PM -0500, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 07:36:13PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Bullshit. It is common for RFCs to be revised over time, and > > formulated into new documents. This license prohibits agencies other > &g

Re: Please remove RFCs from the documentation in Debian packages

2003-07-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
ing lawyer games with the wording will not make non-modifiable things acceptable. Any arguments you may care to make in favour of non-modifiable things will apply equally to software. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.

Re: A success story with apt and rsync

2003-07-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
h they were created, and should not vary when rebuilding. As such, sorting the list probably doesn't change the network traffic, but will slow dpkg-deb down on packages with large directories in them. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www

Re: A success story with apt and rsync

2003-07-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 10:28:07PM +0200, Koblinger Egmont wrote: > > On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > It should put them in the package in the order they came from > > readdir(), which will depend on the filesystem. This is normally the > > order in w

Re: A success story with apt and rsync

2003-07-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 05:48:24PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 10:12:03PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 10:28:07PM +0200, Koblinger Egmont wrote: > > > Yes, when saying "random order" I obviously ment "in

Re: A success story with apt and rsync

2003-07-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 07:28:09PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 11:36:34PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 06, 2003 at 05:48:24PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > > Err, no. If the htree (hash tree) indexing feature is turned

Re: NEWS.Debian support is here

2003-07-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
like to have this information in debconf notes. Having > > the choice between displaying them and reading them in NEWS.Debian would > > be neat. > > He was JOKING... wasn't he? Who can tell? Let's kill him anyway. -- .''`

Bug#199917 - A consensus on handling Mozilla plugins?

2003-07-10 Thread Andrew Lau
d now mozilla-firebird in such a way that plugins are automatically symlinked/delinked whenever a new mozilla-like browser is installed? Where should they go? If I were to start writing an update-mozilla-plugins script for use in mozilla packages, what pitfalls might I encou

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
rowing like this? Because it's damn near impossible to get the things removed. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | Dept. of Computing, `. `' | Imperial College, `- -><- | London, UK pgpnxKlZg4btQ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 08:32:01AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 11-Jul-03, 02:21 (CDT), Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Because it's damn near impossible to get the things removed. > > Huh? Submit a bug report against ftp.debian.or

Re: the RFC mess: tentative summary

2003-07-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
lename it looks for. Requiring clear identification of changes, and "Changing the name", are OK. Putting constraints on how this is to be done, like requiring a filename change, is not. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://ww

Re: the RFC mess: tentative summary

2003-07-13 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 01:48:27PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote: > On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 12:03:22PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 12:17:50PM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote: > > > Answer 1: Nobody asked the right to change th

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