Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-03-08 Thread Adrian Bunk
provide something that is better than what is already available elsewhere. The worst case would be if we have to tell more frequently to users "Please don't use the packages in our stable release." because they are worse than alternatives. > Cheers, > OdyX >... c

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-03-10 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 02:07:19AM +0100, gregor herrmann wrote: > On Thu, 08 Mar 2018 23:03:17 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > The first question should always be if/how we can provide something that > > is better than what is already available elsewhere. > > An answe

Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

2018-03-28 Thread Adrian Bunk
is much more restricticted than the permitted syntax for (build) dependencies. Dependency fields have negative syntax like !m68k, for the Architecture: field this is only possible with a complete list of all architectures except the one you want to exclude. cu Adrian -- "Is t

Re: interpretation of wontfix

2018-03-29 Thread Adrian Bunk
TBFS on big endian - FTBFS on 32bit - FTBFS on architectures where char is unsigned I would not see the benefits of tagging 8 ports when the pattern of red/green makes it clear that the problem is due to char being unsigned. There are special cases like conf

Re: interpretation of wontfix

2018-03-29 Thread Adrian Bunk
me. When I see a bug "FTBFS on big endian" with "help" tag and a maintainer statement in the bug "I don't care about big endian but I am willing to apply patches", then that's all I need to know. > Ian. cu Adrian -- "Is there not prom

Re: What problem might happen when bumping soname without adding Conflicts:/Breaks:?

2018-03-29 Thread Adrian Bunk
paque OpenSSL struct). OpenSSL is special due to two versions being supported in stretch, otherwise a Conflicts between libssl1.0.2 and libssl1.1 might have been a good solution. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of th

Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped

2018-03-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
es, but for past incorrect epoch usage all that can be done is to limit the damage. Things that cannot be undone for moon-buggy: - the epoch - two files moon-buggy_1.0.51-1.dsc exist in Debian, with different contents [2] What can be done for moon-buggy is to use a Debian revision that doesn't r

Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped

2018-04-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 08:30:54PM +0200, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > Moin, Hi, > On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 02:21:43PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > > There are two problems here. > > > > The first is the use of an epoch in a situation where it shouldn't

Re: Planning the removal of c_rehash | mass bug filling

2018-04-06 Thread Adrian Bunk
ke c_rehash currently does) but as > explained above it should not be required to use it. >... If c_rehash gets removed before buster, please add appropriate Breaks for the non-fixed stretch packages to openssl, to avoid problems similar to #894282 during stretch->buster upgades. >

Re: Updated proposal for improving the FTP NEW process

2018-04-06 Thread Adrian Bunk
no record anywhere that this version was already taken by some random person from the internet who once upon a time uploaded it to mentors.d.n. > cheers, > Holger cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. Th

Re: Updated proposal for improving the FTP NEW process

2018-04-11 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 02:24:23PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Adrian Bunk writes ("Re: Updated proposal for improving the FTP NEW > process"): > > A version is published to our users when it gets accepted into > > the archive. > > > > Readable inf

Re: Updated proposal for improving the FTP NEW process

2018-04-12 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 02:05:03PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Adrian Bunk writes: > > > Imagine tomorrow a random person from the internet noone has ever heard > > of uploads a package dgit 5.0 to mentors.d.n. > > > It is clear that this would not be sponsored.

Re: Bug#895246: gconf: Intent to Adopt

2018-04-12 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 04:12:47PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > (I don't speak for the GNOME team, or for Josselin, who is officially > this package's maintainer; please don't assume I do.) > > On Sun, 08 Apr 2018 at 22:19:43 +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > I

Re: Updated proposal for improving the FTP NEW process

2018-04-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
rchive. What happens outside of our archive (e.g. in Ubuntu or .debian.net) is nothing we officially provide to our users. > Ian. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain fo

Re: my package was fixed by someone else and i dont like that

2018-04-17 Thread Adrian Bunk
Do you have any proof that the victim was actually notified in any way at the time of the hijack? > cheers, > Holger cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.

Re: Updated proposal for improving the FTP NEW process

2018-04-18 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 01:00:08PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Adrian Bunk writes ("Re: Updated proposal for improving the FTP NEW > process"): >... > > What happens outside of our archive (e.g. in Ubuntu or .debian.net) > > is nothing we officially provide to our

Re: Bits from the release team: full steam ahead towards buster

2018-04-18 Thread Adrian Bunk
ferently than LANG=C? Estonian (et_EE) sorts z between s and t. > Mike Stone cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
or extra work (in several cases Python 2 modules were dropped in a new Debian revision of a package without any real reason). There are of course cases (e.g. OpenStack) where providing Python 2 modules in buster is not possible with reasonable effort. Thanks Adrian -- "Is ther

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-25 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 05:49:32PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 08:57:55PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > The tip of the iceberg are some recent cases where Python 2 modules > > were dropped that still had reverse dependencies in unstable, but > > a

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-25 Thread Adrian Bunk
eate security fixes for the Python 2 interpreter for many years to come). > Cheers, > > Thomas Goirand (zigo) cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-25 Thread Adrian Bunk
ually a good sign that there will be many more users whom you would cause problems without these Python 2 modules. In practice "problems" might often imply "you cannot upgrade to buster" or "you cannot use Debian". > Cheers, > > Thomas Goirand (zigo) cu Adria

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-26 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 12:03:56AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 04/25/2018 06:14 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:10:12AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> ... > >> This cannot go on, and on, and on, and on... We have to send a clear > >

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-26 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:35:10AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > We (Debian) have decided to support Python 2.7 in buster, like it or > > not. > > > > At that point it is not up to individual maintainers to sabotage > >

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-26 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 06:19:24PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: >... > Adrian: are you volunteering to write patches to solve Helmut's cross > building problem ? I am willing to stop for several weeks/months to monitor RC bugs and report FTBFS if you can make the case that it is more

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-27 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 01:06:03PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Adrian Bunk writes ("Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules"): > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 06:19:24PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > Adrian: are you volunteering to write patches to solve Helmut&#x

Re: RFC: Support for zstd in .deb packages?

2018-04-28 Thread Adrian Bunk
where something like faster setup of cloud servers would matter are not the ports with slow buildds or where 64 MB memory usage would matter much on any supported hardware. > Thanks, > Guillem cu Adrian [1] we are talking about perhaps 5-10% smaller packages and faster decompress

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 03:08:24PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 04/26/2018 07:14 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 12:03:56AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> On 04/25/2018 06:14 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 12:10:12

Re: Bug#895246: gconf: Intent to Adopt

2018-05-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 06:47:41PM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 3:19 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Sorry for not replying more promptly. > > > I hereby declare my intent to adopt gconf. > > Why? Basically there are only two things left in Buste

Re: Versioned dependencies and maintainer scripts

2018-07-08 Thread Adrian Bunk
fy them a bit? >... "purge" might happen decades (sic) after "remove" with no dependencies installed and packages that are essential today no longer being essential. > Cheers, > Dan >... cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked

Re: SALSA migration of XML/SGML packages (sgml-data for me)

2018-07-08 Thread Adrian Bunk
is still reachable: https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debian-xml-sgml-pkgs cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Re: Mass filing on Python 3.7 async module import?

2018-07-09 Thread Adrian Bunk
Most important will be Breaks for all affected packages in *stretch*, since there might otherwise be nasty problems in stretch->buster upgrades depending on the undefined order of package upgrades. > Cheers, > > Thomas Goirand (zigo) cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Re: GCC and binutils updates for buster

2018-07-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
rm64 and mips64el have been a burden in recent years. And the next burden will be if riscv64 gets added in bullseye. I do not have the impression that this burden is unmanageable, but if you disagree the actual discussion you have to start is about delaying the inclusion of ports for new hardware

Re: Q: Where is keyring packaging guideline?

2018-08-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
s - the risk is too high that the private key either gets accidentally compromised (see Emdebian) or intentionally planted (see NSA/FBI/GCHQ/FSB/...). > bye, > pabs cu Adrian [1] https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/emdebian-archive-keyring -- "Is there not promise of rain?

Re: Q: Where is keyring packaging guideline?

2018-08-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
onsidered "giving root access to the people operating this repository". This also opens the general question whether 3rd party repositories should become strongly discouraged in general, and flatpak/snap/... recommended instead. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?&qu

Re: Q: Where is keyring packaging guideline?

2018-08-24 Thread Adrian Bunk
far Debian has completely failed on properly vetting and DSA-maintaining 3rd party keys in Debian releases. > Sean Whitton cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Re: Q: Where is keyring packaging guideline?

2018-08-24 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 04:20:14PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 05:07:21PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > This also opens the general question whether 3rd party repositories > > should become strongly discouraged in general, and flatpak/snap/... > >

Re: Updating the policy for conflicting binaries names ? [was: Re: Re: New package netgen-lvs with binary /usr/bin/netgen - already taken]

2018-09-12 Thread Adrian Bunk
y on GitHub giving his fringe programs names like "bat" or "fd", the sane solutions are to either rename or not package. Making it easy for fringe programs to take over already used names would cause more trouble that it would be worth. > Cheers, > Sylvestre >... cu Adri

Re: Updating the policy for conflicting binaries names ? [was: Re: Re: New package netgen-lvs with binary /usr/bin/netgen - already taken]

2018-09-12 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 09:18:13PM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > Dear Adrian, Dear Chris, > > This is fake news. > > Please try and avoid casual use of this term on Debian lists. > > Whilst I understand your meaning and intentions, the term has now been > so overused and

Re: Limiting the power of packages

2018-10-07 Thread Adrian Bunk
ecoming a good solution. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Re: Depends/Recommends from libraries

2017-03-09 Thread Adrian Bunk
therefore usually not a problem.[1] Recommends are basically dependencies you are allowed to break when you know what you are doing, and that's the level of expertise someone is expected to have when optimizing disk space usage. > Ian. cu Adrian [1] "libfoo pulls in 100 MB of data

Re: Post-stretch mass bug filing: build-depending on automake1.11

2017-03-14 Thread Adrian Bunk
better off with just automake (>= 1.11) anyway, so I haven't filtered > those out. What you describe is somewhere between "minor" and not worth reporting. But several packages have automake1.11 | automake (>= 1:1.11) Ouch. > Regards, > S >... cu Adrian --

Bug#858229: ITP: passh -- passh: a pass fork - stores, retrieves, generates, and synchronizes passwords securely.

2017-03-19 Thread Adrian Alves
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Adrian Alves * Package name: passh Version : 1.7.1 Upstream Author : Ivan Ariel Barrera Oro * URL : https://github.com/HacKanCuBa/passh * License : GPL-3 Programming Lang: bash Description : passh: a pass fork

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

2017-05-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
> people away. >... Non-informative frontpages like the LXDE one are what scares me away. The contents of the Gentoo homepage is similar to what Debian has but presented with a different CSS - something like that would be a good improvement. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promis

Mitigating the problem of limited security support

2017-05-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
owing packages:" or "installing this package will remove debian-security-support". cu Adrian [1] http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security [2] https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.h

Re: Packaging of libraries with unstable ABI (D, Rust, Go, ...)

2017-05-31 Thread Adrian Bunk
be for ldc? Every ABI-changing version of the default compiler will then be a small library transition that should be executed via the normal transition process. IMHO this would be a better solution than any kind of "ship source code instead of libraries" hacks. > Cheers, >

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-07 Thread Adrian Bunk
e point mainstream. No disagreement from me that anything other than amd64 in unusual and should be non-default, just pointing out that new i386-only hardware was still being sold and popular nearly a decade after 2004. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked s

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-08 Thread Adrian Bunk
package (e.g. pulseaudio) when it would otherwise be pulled in through recommends. > Regards, > Christian cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Re: Please add lzip support in the repository

2017-06-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
mats that prevents GCC from releasing tarballs with > lzip. >... GCC is actually pretty much the worst example for two reasons: First, Debian already repackages the upstream tarballs (to .tar.xz) for reasons unrelated to the compression format (GFDL). Second, the GCC tarball (the repackaged

Re: Please add lzip support in the repository

2017-06-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
supported compression formats. >... A digital signature is an ECC layer. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Use of .buildinfo in buster

2017-07-24 Thread Adrian Bunk
y none of the above has an answer right now, and that is OK. My point is that these are topics that have to be started soon if it shouldn't be too late for buster. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out

Re: Use of .buildinfo in buster

2017-07-24 Thread Adrian Bunk
would make a relatively hard to exploit issue appear more worrisome to a user than installing a browser engine with zero security support and more than 100 unfixed CVEs. > Regards, cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darknes

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
es Uploaders: as the intersection of current team members and people who did the latest 10 uploads of a package. cu Adrian [1] a few people are IMHO just bad maintainers, but in the common case there is simply too much work for too few people in a volunteer project and new team members

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
dividual, it is no more a team, yet > the package is still maintained and need not be orphaned. Your objection does not make sense. The change Sean is proposing is intended to make providing the information about team members in Uploaders: optional. If are not objecting to removing the

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 12:30:11PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 11:01:24AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 04:22:41PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > Bill Allombert writes: > > > > On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 05:48:

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 12:36:04PM -0400, Sean Whitton wrote: > On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 12:06:16PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Please be more thoughtful about the consequences of such changes to policy. > > > > This would not be "a purely informative change". >

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
eam maintaining 1 package) this is also a way for seeing when 0 team members are left who are still active in Debian. > Cheers, > gregor cu Adrian [1] or retired, all this is about what happens after it has been determined that a person is no longer active in Debian -- &quo

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
ices without the current notifications from the MIA team that a team member is no longer active in Debian. You are assuming that the team has a non-zero number of active members left after a member becomes MIA. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 08:16:30PM -0400, gregor herrmann wrote: > On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 02:16:03 +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 06:25:46PM -0400, gregor herrmann wrote: > > > What I don't understand in the point of view of the "keep Uploade

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 05:41:00PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Adrian Bunk writes: > > > Regressing on being able to orphan all packages of a known-MIA/retired > > maintainer would be very bad. > > I agree, but that's not directly relevant here, since we'

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-04 Thread Adrian Bunk
a different place outside the packages would fix the problem of losing information about team membership. Or the low-change option of documenting that the already used way of autogenerating the Uploaders list based on information stored in one core package of the team is a valid option - thi

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 06:20:31PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, Aug 04 2017, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > Autogenerating Uploaders like GNOME does [1] would be an alternative > > approach. > > > > [1] > > https://sources.debian.net/src/g

Re: Bug#798476: Bug#870788: Extract recent uploaders from d/changelog

2017-08-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
ge ? > > Using [] for non-team members is very common. > > for getting the _uploaders_ it's not even required to parse those fields, as > each upload has one uploader which is semantically strict defined already. Policy says that Uploaders contains the _co-maintainers_. And that a

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Aug 05, 2017 at 03:28:57PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Sat, Aug 05, 2017 at 10:39:02AM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > I don't understand this suggestion. If it can be automatically > > > generated, just generate it when you need it -- why store it i

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
teams. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage

2017-08-06 Thread Adrian Bunk
u and to package maintainers by lintian, with automated checking by lintian actually more reliable than information in the BTS. And maintainers who ignore lintian results in their packages tend to be the same people who ignore non-RC bugs in their packages. > Matthias cu Adrian --

Re: MBF for deprecating Python2 usage

2017-08-06 Thread Adrian Bunk
a maintainer do based on a python3-app bug or lintian warning? "Please convert to Python3, the 2021 release of Debian will drop Python2" sounds hilarious if sent to upstream today. > Matthias cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly o

Re: sse{2,3,4.2}, altivec, neon, ...

2017-08-07 Thread Adrian Bunk
pendency on avx-512-ifma-support [any-i386 any-amd64] be OK for such a library? > Meow! cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-07 Thread Adrian Bunk
- 73 teams maintaining a single package A package with 500 LOC might have an own team: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?email=hostname-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org cu Adrian [1] grep -Ei '^Maintainer.*(team|maintainer|lists.alioth.debian.org).*' -- "Is there not promis

Re: sse{2,3,4.2}, altivec, neon, ...

2017-08-08 Thread Adrian Bunk
es (Go, gcl, haskell) that are either buggy due to one bug or can be whitelisted together. The majority of packages in the amd64 list seem to be binaries built by Go. I checked one case in a package, and that was code with proper runtime detection copied from golang-1.8 (Go doesn't have shared

Re: User-installable Debian packages?

2017-08-09 Thread Adrian Bunk
tinue to ship the software in stable. But comparing backports with a flatpak solution for users who want the latest upstream code, I see all the benefits at the flatpak solution. When it is both less work for Debian and a better result for users, I do not see the point why Debian should compete with th

Re: sse{2,3,4.2}, altivec, neon, ...

2017-08-10 Thread Adrian Bunk
doesn't hit. One nice part about including it in lintian is that this gives the maintainer a standard way to indicate that the package had been confirmed to only select such instructions after autodetection of the cpu features by adding a lintian override. cu Adrian -- "Is ther

Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

2017-08-11 Thread Adrian Bunk
7, 2017 at 04:48:54PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Approximate data based on grep'ing Packages[1]: > - 466 teams maintaining packages in unstable > - 8 is the median number of packages maintained by a team > - 73 teams maintaining a single package > > A package with 500

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
Do you really want to ship *patches*, and not just copies of all changed files? Patching binaries to a new upstream version doesn't sound to me like something that would make sense. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the d

Re: OpenSSL disables TLS 1.0 and 1.1

2017-08-13 Thread Adrian Bunk
any effort been made to create a coherent policy for buster for all packages that contain a TLS implementation? > Kurt cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.

Re: openssl/libssl1 in Debian now blocks offlineimap?

2017-08-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
amable changes, while not changing the amount of TLS 1.0/1.1 using software in Debian substantially. Nothing that Debian does alone will have any measurable impact on TLS 1.0 usage. > Kurt cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of

Re: OpenSSL disables TLS 1.0 and 1.1

2017-08-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
encouraged to consider TLS v1.2. > ciao, > Marco cu Adrian [1] https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/documents/Migrating_from_SSL_Early_TLS_Information%20Supplement_v1.pdf -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had b

Re: OpenSSL disables TLS 1.0 and 1.1

2017-08-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
int) faces the reality that a significant share of the customers is using ancient Android releases with a firmware that are several years old. It doesn't matter whether something works with newer Android phones, or what you consider a security issue. The only thing you would achieve would

Re: openssl/libssl1 in Debian now blocks offlineimap?

2017-08-20 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:07:49PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Adrian Bunk >... > The PCI consortium extended the deadline until June > 2018. Assuming that deadline holds, people with older machines will not > be able to access services such as online banking or pay onli

Re: openssl/libssl1 in Debian now blocks offlineimap?

2017-08-20 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 01:51:16PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Adrian Bunk >... > > Think of the "TLS 1.2 not working with WPA" discussed earlier here that > > might still affect half a billion active Android devices at the buster > > release date.[

Re: Raising the severity of reproduciblity issues to "important"

2017-08-31 Thread Adrian Bunk
ducible, this would be a huge fail itself. AFAIK the only place where we currently still need binary packages that have been built on a maintainer machine is for NEW, and after someone has implemented a solution for that there is no blocker left for allowing only source-only uploads f

Re: Raising the severity of reproduciblity issues to "important"

2017-08-31 Thread Adrian Bunk
tested in the r-b infrastructure are quite different. I would strongly object to raising the severity to "important" for packages where it is not proven that they are not reproducible according to current [1] policy. > Regards, cu Adrian [1] current at the time of the severity rais

Re: normal bugs (Re: Raising the severity of reproduciblity issues to "important")

2017-09-01 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 09:43:54AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 09:34:53AM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 12:48:50PM +0200, Chris Lamb wrote: > > >... > > > However, based on an informal survey at DebConf (and to reflec

Re: allowed uses of non-baseline CPU extensions

2017-10-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 03:52:56AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: >... > But, Adrian Bunk warned that this makes violating the baseline too easy. > And indeed, I just noticed an attempt to use an extension in a way I don't > consider to be valid: #864012. I understand the maint

Re: allowed uses of non-baseline CPU extensions

2017-10-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
do support non-SSE2 in a previous Debian stable but cannot be made to compile without SSE2-support now? > Regards, > Aron cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "

Anyone using stretch/buster/sid on ARMv4t ?

2017-11-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
might not even notice if the port is broken on the baseline. If anyone is running stretch, buster or sid on ARMv4t hardware, then please let us know what device and kernel you are using and whether you intend to use buster. cu Adrian [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2017/08/msg00046

Re: Anyone using stretch/buster/sid on ARMv4t ?

2017-11-07 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 01:43:50PM +0100, Héctor Orón Martínez wrote: >... > 2017-11-05 22:32 GMT+01:00 Adrian Bunk : > > > for the armel port in buster the question of raising the baseline came up. > > That has been a recurring question over the time, the reason to > mai

Re: Anyone using stretch/buster/sid on ARMv4t ?

2017-11-07 Thread Adrian Bunk
t for buster will also end in mid-2022, so if buildds (and likely porterbox) are still required for armhf then armel hw needs are already covered. > Cheers, > Julien cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There ha

Re: Anyone using stretch/buster/sid on ARMv4t ?

2017-11-07 Thread Adrian Bunk
t for stretch. Every time the topic of armel-specific major problems comes up people are either not nameing any specific problems, or they mention problems that were fixed long ago. > Wookey cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out o

Re: RFC: Support for selective usage of (fake)root during package build (R³)

2017-11-11 Thread Adrian Bunk
g some hard to resolve bugs), so assuming there are < 1k packages that have to be fixed with the trivial one-line opt-out change "Rules-Requires-Root: binary-targets" a flag day would be doable. > Thanks, > ~Niels cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?"

Re: Anyone using stretch/buster/sid on ARMv4t ?

2017-11-11 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 09:03:04PM +0100, Andreas Henriksson wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 11:10:27PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > [...] > > This whole "so many packages are broken on armel" narrative > > is actually mostly FUD, and you ar

Re: Open beta of debhelper compat level 11 (debhelper/10.10.7)

2017-11-12 Thread Adrian Bunk
kage, the package should probably stay at compat 10 > until buster is released. Is anything preventing a backport of cmake to stretch-backports? This would allow debhelper to add Breaks on older cmake versions, which would also automatically handle all backports situations in a correct way. &g

Bug#881943: libqt5opengl5-dev should provide libqt5opengl5-dev-full-opengl on !armel/armhf

2017-11-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
Package: libqt5opengl5-dev Version: 5.9.2+dfsg-4 Severity: normal Tags: patch Different from other architectures, on armel and armhf Qt in Debian is configured to use OpenGL ES instead of full OpenGL. Some OpenGL-related functionality in Qt is not available with OpenGL ES, and Qt also offers dire

Re: Auto-update for sid? Auto-backport?

2017-11-17 Thread Adrian Bunk
if done manually.[2] If you want to automate that it is fine, but the majority of maintainer work on a new upstream version is what happens after the automated part or if the automated part fails. And this maintainer work should happen before the package hits users in sid. > Many thanks f

Re: Anyone using stretch/buster/sid on ARMv4t ?

2017-11-20 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 09:37:10AM +, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Adrian Bunk wrote: > > If anyone is running stretch, buster or sid on ARMv4t hardware, then > > please let us know what device and kernel you are using and whether > > you intend to use buster. > > M

Re: Auto-update for sid? Auto-backport?

2017-11-29 Thread Adrian Bunk
aging of Node.js modules. There are more than half a million Node.js modules available. These could be automatically packaged into half a million Debian packages. > I prefer this so much that in some cases I have considered packaging > the thing myself and becoming one of these "dis

Re: Auto-update for sid? Auto-backport?

2017-12-14 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 06:36:59PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Adrian Bunk writes ("Re: Auto-update for sid? Auto-backport?"): > > Sometimes I see bug reports in the BTS where it is evident that a user > > has spent hours or days on debugging an issue and writing a mar

Re: [Pkg-netatalk-devel] Bug#685878: Another year has passed, still no netatalk3

2015-10-26 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 05:33:19PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: [Context: http://bugs.debian.org/685878] > > We're now more than three years behind upstream (3.0 released > > 2012-07-09). > > My github repo is still waiting to be integrated with Debian. > And my point is still that there's an R

ITP: gmilk -- GTK tray icon for Remember the Milk

2016-03-31 Thread Adrian Alves
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Adrian Alves * Package name: gmilk Version : 0.1.2 Upstream Author : eustaquioran...@gmail.com * URL : https://github.com/taq/gmilk * License : GPL Programming Lang: Python Description : GTK tray icon for

Bug#819644: ITP: python-daemonocle -- Library for creating super fancy Unix daemons

2016-03-31 Thread Adrian Alves
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Adrian Alves * Package name: python-daemonocle Version : 0.8 Upstream Author : Jonathan Robson * URL : https://github.com/jnrbsn/daemonocle * License : MIT Programming Lang: Python Description : Library for

Bug#819645: ITP: python-flask-marshmallow -- Flask + marshmallow for beautiful APIs

2016-03-31 Thread Adrian Alves
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Adrian Alves * Package name: python-flask-marshmallow Version : 0.6.2 Upstream Author : Steven Loria * URL : https://github.com/marshmallow-code/flask-marshmallow * License : MIT Programming Lang: Python Description

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