Re: xmcd

2005-12-18 Thread adrian
since 31 of May in 2003? The > > > package is neither orphaned nor up for adoption, which I would do > > > then. > > > > Have you asked the maintainer, Adrian Bridgett? He's around (last made an > > upload less than a month ago, for tkdiff), so I don't see w

Re: xmcd

2005-12-18 Thread adrian
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 15:40:46 +0100 (+0100), Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 the mental interface of > adrian told: [snip] > > Hi, sorry for not responding earlier, I've less and less time for > > Debian stuff as time goes by (busy). There are substanti

Re: call for participation - Debian contributors survey, 1st ed.

2016-11-09 Thread Adrian
unsubscribe On 07.11.2016 09:07, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > TL;DR: all Debian contributors --- from bug reporters to Debian project > members and participants in any Debian team --- are invited to take part > in the first edition of the Debian contributors survey. To participate > visit: > > h

Re: Mandatory LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 during package building

2024-06-17 Thread Adrian Bunk
nding problems for Turkish users. cu Adrian

Quality Loans simplified

2005-03-14 Thread Adrian Blanton
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The sarge release disaster - some thoughts

2005-03-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
but e.g. blocking a more recent KDE from testing might prevent any new package of vim that might fix some nasty non-RC bugs from entering testing. Yes, some of these things can be done better with testing (e.g. via version tracking in the BTS). But this still leaves the question whether i

An alternative analysis of the etch architecture proposal

2005-03-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
architectures (GNU Hurd and sh) to a different location. Depending on what exactly hinders amd64 today, this might be sufficient [2]. Regarding mirrors, offering only m architectures or offering only Debian stable for n architectures should be solvable on a per-mirror basis without any effect

Re: Alternative: Source-Centric Approach [w/code]

2005-03-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
f the Debian developers intereested in the ports Debian intends to drop would switch to Gentoo for helping Gentoo to support all of their architectures and for providing easy Debian -> Gentoo transition paths this would serve your users better. > -- John cu Adrian -- "Is th

Re: Alternative: Source-Centric Approach [w/code]

2005-03-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
rors? -> Not all mirrors have to mirror all ports. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said.

Re: SCC proposal (was: Re: Questions for the DPL candidates)

2005-03-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
xpressed my impression is that if testing was completely dumped, many of the issues leading to this dropping of several architectures wouldn't exist. > Thomas cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. T

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
server..." > B: "Let us install Debian on it!" > *browsing the web* > A: "Oh, no release of Debian for Alpha... it's unsupported..." > B: "Sad... it's a nice machine, but without a working Linux on it, we're gonna > throw it away&quo

Re: The sarge release disaster - some thoughts

2005-03-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:40:09PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Not after October 1st 2003 it sould have been clear that the progress > > of the installer wasn't as good as expected. This was 2 months before > > the announced release date. >

Re: Alternative: Source-Centric Approach [w/code]

2005-03-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
needs to be > compiled manually. >... NetBSD also offers binary packages for many years. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
y points regarding testing - neither in favor nor against them. I do not claim my points have to be correct, but IMHO this would be an alternative solution that should be evaluated. > Daniel Jacobowitz cu Adrian [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/03/msg01320.html [2] http://lists.

Re: Dropping testing (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:51:16PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > On Wednesday 16 March 2005 18:12, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > I already sent two mails [1,2] where I expressed my opinion that dumping > > testing might be an option since it's the main reason for the underlying >

Re: Required firewall support

2005-03-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
rd. Thomas' question is simply whether five of your six DPL candidates have signed that they want to kick GNU/Hurd even out of the proposed SCC archive or not. Steve's announcement only listed actions without giving the rationale for each of them, and it would therefore be required t

Re: Dropping testing (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 12:29:28AM +, Darren Salt wrote: > I demand that Adrian Bunk may or may not have written... > > [snip] > > And without testing, all these transition problems wouldn't exist. > > And without testing, there are those who currently use testing

Re: status of buildds?

2005-03-18 Thread Adrian Bunk
gt; trouble, we are all penalized. Are there any reasons why you "are all penalized" that are not only imposed by testing? cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-18 Thread Adrian Bunk
f freezing unstable, and even more do I doubt it's worth sacrificing 8 architectures. > Steve Langasek cu Adrian [1] The installer might be a point, but since all sarge architectures will have a working installer and I hope there's not another installer rewrite planned for et

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-18 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 12:06:15PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 05:43:26PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > [1] The installer might be a point, but since all sarge architectures > > will have a working installer and I hope there's not another >

Re: Dropping testing (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-03-18 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 09:39:10PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > On Thursday 17 March 2005 00:21, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:51:16PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > > "libraries transitioned" is a big point against testing: > > > > Transiti

running gpm as non-root

1997-06-15 Thread Adrian Bridgett
in /etc/init.d Thanks, Adrian -- email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Artificial intelligence - the http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | art of making computers act PGP key available on public key servers | like those in the movies -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word &

Re: Status of Debian Policy

1997-06-17 Thread Adrian Bridgett
e description, I think these should be distributed. Maybe we should have a vote on what should be in the various sections. I for one found the choices a bit limited last time. Adrian -- email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Artificial intelligence - the http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | art of

update-menus and similar programs

1997-11-30 Thread Adrian Bridgett
any reason why I *shouldn't* file a wishlist item against dpkg (apart from the fact that it will be lost amongst the other few hundred bug reports!) Thanks Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable

too many directories in /usr/doc?

1997-11-30 Thread Adrian Bridgett
ng sixteen directories. I've just looked at the X stuff and it has loads of directories, each with a copyright file in it. Hmmm. Thanks Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key availabl

Re: too many directories in /usr/doc?

1997-12-02 Thread Adrian Bridgett
y mechanical means. which is *almost* what I wanted - it only allows symlinking the /usr/doc/ directory, not any file inside it. Cheers Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key availa

Re: Proposal to package propsel

1997-12-03 Thread Adrian Bridgett
(apart from getting another VT and doing "cat" to a temporary file!) Thanks Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key available on public key servers | operating systems are from MS

Re: dpkg-source problem

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
gs fail. Could you run the command under script and provide us > with the exact output? It also doesn't work with changed symlinks. Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key availa

announcement lists

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
emails to be stored). b) be able to specify a URL which can be checked for changes - for instance: ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/linux/sunsite.unc-mirror/Incoming/SVGATextmode-* Am I just blathering on, or is this a workable and decent suggestion? Cheers Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | De

Proxy server policy [was Re: gated]

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
most upstream packages will be harder to convert, but someone has to make a start. At least all debian originated packages can be made to use this. Thanks Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PG

Re: Can we learn something from RH 5.0?

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
fsd - i.e. what programs to use - I tried downloading the tar.gz mentioned in the kernel help docs, but couldn't get them to compile :-( Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key availab

pentium specific packages

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
should take advantage of this, it would be a nice "first" if Debian can do this properly before the other distributions. Thanks Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key available

intention to package cftp

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
I'm going to package cftp (full screen FTP client) - upload on Monday :-) Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key available on public key servers | operating systems are from MS

Re: intention to package cftp

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Sun, Dec 07, 1997 at 07:42:56PM +, James Troup wrote: > Adrian Bridgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'm going to package cftp (full screen FTP client) - upload on > > Monday :-) > > Umm, a little more information would be nice. I've

Re: announcement lists

1997-12-09 Thread Adrian Bridgett
y had too much > trouble finding out about new releases, though... I use debhelper rather than debmake as I prefer it's "clean" design. I really should look at some of the debhelper (or is it devscripts now) stuff. It would be nice to have this "watch process" setup once for

Re: pentium specific packages

1997-12-09 Thread Adrian Bridgett
ges, maybe i586 is better than pent.) > > I think it should be i586, although I'm not clear if ecgs supports Kx et > al. It should... I don't think i486 is neccessary - does anyone else - AFAIK, there is no compiler-time benefit worth obtaining. Adrian email: [EMAIL P

Re: Proxy server policy [was Re: gated]

1997-12-09 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Sun, Dec 07, 1997 at 02:09:57PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > > > This is one area where Windows has got a far better solution that Unix. I'm > > sure it's for technical regions, but I have at least ten different

Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses

1997-12-09 Thread Adrian Bridgett
ed that they wouldn't change it to delete to the left. Why Linux kept this I don't know. Personally I don't care what it set to what, as long as it works like in DOS/OS2/NT - and Atari :-) Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/a

Re: pentium specific packages

1997-12-10 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Tue, Dec 09, 1997 at 02:10:35PM -0500, Brandon Mitchell wrote: > On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 07, 1997 at 06:20:27PM -0600, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > > > > > it's the obvious way... create another architecture tree, binary-i58

Re: looking for new maintainer

1997-12-12 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Fri, Nov 28, 1997 at 07:48:04PM +0100, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: > i'm looking for a new maintainer for all my packages : > > mpage > makedev (taken) > giflib > kde* I'll take mpage. Thanks Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debia

unstripped stuff in /usr/lib

1997-12-12 Thread Adrian Bridgett
/libnullplugin.so: netscape/libnullplugin-dynMotif.so: netscape/dynfonts/libTrueDoc.so: libmcheck.a: libc5-compat/libcompface.so.1.0.0: libc5-compat/libpng.so.0.96: libgmp.so.2.0.2: libcompface.so.1.0.0: Thanks Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux

intent to package tkfont

1997-12-12 Thread Adrian Bridgett
t's only 14k to download! Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key available on public key servers | operating systems are from MS -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the w

Re: I take debmake

1997-12-14 Thread Adrian Bridgett
ackaging is that dpkg needs updating (as we all know). Some things that debhelper does like "dh_du" (diskspace usage) should be in dpkg-buildpackage instead. Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unst

Re: Plan to package xscavenger

1997-12-15 Thread Adrian Bridgett
> old commodore 64 days?). > > > > > AFAIK, we already have a xscavenger package, which is maintained by Adrian > > Bridgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . > > This is fun, I first installed a local version of my package, which is > version 1.3.1-2 by now, because I clea

Re: Taking over production of emacs20 package.

1997-12-16 Thread Adrian Bridgett
-- suggests emacs, no mention of xemacs: elisp-manual gnats gnats-user depend on emacs, no mention of xemacs: hyperlatex auto-pgp w3-el mailcrypt (emacs >=19.28-1) gnuserv bbdb crypt++ elib calc (emacs >=19.34) auctex emacspeak debview emacs-czech

Re: Proxy server policy [was Re: gated]

1997-12-16 Thread Adrian Bridgett
port snews_proxy http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:port snewspost_proxy http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:port snewsreply_proxyhttp://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:port nntp_proxy http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:port wais_proxy http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:port finger_proxyhttp://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:port cso_proxy h

options for menu packages

1997-12-16 Thread Adrian Bridgett
ever is decided, the original scheme (or having a conffile) is a very good idea that is easily implemented and Yann's suggestion should be mentioned in the menu package itself. Cheers Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett |

Re: Plan to package xscavenger

1997-12-16 Thread Adrian Bridgett
is no way to get back inside the yang-yang once you have gone outside it AFAIK, and when I get the bottom lot of gems, the man kills me as he is right behind me :-( Cheers Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because

intent to package xlaby and xnetload

1997-12-16 Thread Adrian Bridgett
xlaby traps your mouse cursor in one of the mazes generated by "maze", you must move around until you can escape - invisible walls is an option! xnetload is like xload for network connections (similar to pppload and half a dozen other utils, you takes your pick!) Adrian email: [EMAIL

Re: packaging agrep

1997-12-16 Thread Adrian Bridgett
ve no plans to install glimpse. What's wrong with splitting it off and making glimpse depend on it? Adrian (who hates it when people don't explain reasons when they aren't obvious) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett

Re: please upgrade your packages to current standards

1998-01-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
d dpkg too I imagine) expects each package in available (and status) to be in a paragraph, but it imposes no restriction on the formatting of that paragraph. I wonder what the speed-up would be if we imposed an ordering on the paragraphs (note that this would *not* prevent future expansion).

intent to package gmemusage

1998-01-08 Thread Adrian Bridgett
gmemusage is a rather neat memory monitor which displays a bar chart of memory usage divided by process. It displays the number of each process name (e.g. (4) bash means there are four copies running) and is periodically updated. Main site: http://reality.sgi.com/raju/software Adrian email

Re: Self Referencing depends

1998-01-08 Thread Adrian Bridgett
rovide: unzip.) Even if this is uneccessary, I think it would be nice to allow it (or even encourage it?). It makes script writing easier (egrep "^Provides:.* unzip"). Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because

intent to package nighthawk

1998-01-09 Thread Adrian Bridgett
nighthawk is a clone of paradroid - a C64 game that was the precursor to Quazatron. You have to shoot things, but there is strategy involved too: http://www.downunder.net.au/~jsno/ Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett

non-maintainer releases and bug fixes

1998-01-11 Thread Adrian Bridgett
s and then file a new bug detailing the original bugs and the fixes. Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key available on public key servers | operating systems are from MS -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE

intent to package SOCKSv5

1998-04-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
I've just about finished packaging SOCKSv5 - clients, library, server. Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | 2.0 release soon - over 1800 PGP key available on public key servers | packages on a stable OS

Aargh - no mail

1998-04-08 Thread Adrian Bridgett
I've just lost my email file (/var/spool/mail/bridgett) for some unknown reason. My sorted mail in /home/bridgett/mail/ is fine. a) Warning - backup your mail file b) has anyone else had this? A Seriously PO Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org

Re: Aargh - mail

1998-04-08 Thread Adrian Bridgett
my fault - I was messing with emacs and something went screwy. Something moved my mail spool to ~/RMAIL. Phew - while :; do echo "I *will* keep backups" ;done A relieved Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridge

Re: Debian Bug#20445 disagree

1998-04-10 Thread Adrian Bridgett
thing. If we have room for the 2.1 kernel I think we should put it on since it will save people downloading about 11MB (or 9.5? for the bz2 version). Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | 2.0 release soon - over 1800 PGP k

manpages missing NAME section

1998-04-15 Thread Adrian Bridgett
(1x) - (unknown) Cheers Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | 2.0 release soon - over 1800 PGP key available on public key servers | packages on a stable OS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: manpages missing NAME section

1998-04-17 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 03:15:57PM -0500, Zed Pobre wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > > >These are pages that have a bad NAME section. You can do > > > > apropos -r \* | grep \(unknown\) > > apropos -r \* returns nothing on my system. I ca

Re: Dumping core: root vs. normal user

1998-04-17 Thread Adrian Bridgett
, just un-setuid the program and run it as root (it'll probably work then, just to nark you off!) Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | 2.0 release soon - over 1800 PGP key available on public key servers | packag

Re: License advice

1998-04-24 Thread Adrian Bridgett
o use this software for any > purpose on any computer system, and to redistribute it freely, ^^ Hmmm - which version of free is this - ethically or financially? Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett Win

overwriting directories

1998-04-28 Thread Adrian Bridgett
vigator-v405-export.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar.gz Yes - it *does* fail without the --force-overwrite. Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett Windows NT - Unix in beta-testing. PGP key available on public key servers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-19 Thread Adrian Bunk
rrent release process with testing has problems that make it impossible to achieve a release cycle on the order of 12-18 months with many architectures. One possible solution for this problem you observed is reducing the number of architectures. Another possible solution for this problem is to s

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-20 Thread Adrian Bunk
completely different release process. I for one do believe that the pre-testing release process was still able to cope with releasing with the number of packages currently in unstable on a dozen architectures and yearly releases with an amount of work comparable to what is required for rele

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-21 Thread Adrian Bunk
nterprise. Note that they were still being sold as new > only a few years ago. >... HP still produces both workstations and servers with PA-RISK processors. Note that 50 out of the 500 fastest computers in the world [1] are computers with PA-RISK processors manufactured by HP in 2004. cu A

Re: How to define a release architecture

2005-03-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
ood connections with HP. Wouldn't an arrangement with HP of getting hardware plus some years of support being an alternative to your announcement that you plan to drop the hppa and alpha architectures from Debian releases? > Steve Langasek cu Adrian -- "Is ther

Re: How to define a release architecture

2005-03-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
has). The release team's announcement affects only hppa and alpha in the forseeable future. And in both cases an arrangement with HP could erase the problems. > Regards > Alastair McKinstry cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out

Re: How to define a release architecture

2005-03-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
uploads to frozen should be much smaller than the number of daily uploads to frozen). This would therefore make (at least from a release management point of view) all discussions regarding the required speed of buildds obsolete. cu Adrian [1] but build dependencies are still not tracked [2] http

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
ing testing > > Taken together, these probably account for more of my release management > time than anything else, including actual work on release-critical bugs. >... Is it correct that none of these three points that account for most of your release management time would exist in a rel

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 02:55:17PM +, Michael K. Edwards wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:14:17 +0100, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 06:50:22PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > >... > > > The top three things I've s

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-22 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 03:20:04PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 12:14:17PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 06:50:22PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > >... > > > The top three things I've spent release management

Re: discrepancies between uploaded and source-built .deb

2005-03-23 Thread Adrian Bunk
The most recent version of the rlfe package (from readline5) is therefore available and it's not a problem. And in unstable, readline4 no longer produces a rlfe binary package. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness.

Re: Vancouver meeting - clarifications

2005-03-27 Thread Adrian Bunk
ee how the installer could be a major obstacle for any of the 11 sarge architectures in etch. > Steve Langasek cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a prom

Re: Release update: debian-installer, kernels, infrastructure, freeze, etch, arm

2005-04-01 Thread Adrian Bunk
, but also to important ones (and "minor" ones, if you feel > inclined). For usage information about this site, please see the > previous announcement concerning it[1]. For the record: I started doing this during the last days [4]. RC bugs are IMHO better since they also show up

Re: How to find out why a package was removed from testing?

2005-04-01 Thread Adrian Bunk
self would hint it for removal from testing today and it wouldn't have any chance of entering testing again for sarge [2] although it's completely bug-free. Or a package might simply be removed because it depends directly or indirectly on a buggy package without being itself buggy. &

Re: Release update: debian-installer, kernels, infrastructure, freeze, etch, arm

2005-04-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 12:35:55AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It doesn't need to be an exact date, but someting like > > "third quarter of 2005" or "mid-2008" would help to avoid situations > > lik

Re: why allow broken packages to get all the way to mirrors?

2005-04-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
to know what to do when the installation of a package fails. E.g. DSA-177-1 describes a _real_ problem - and this wouldn't have been caught. > Regards, > > Thijs Kinkhorst cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked sudd

Re: The sarge release disaster - some thoughts

2005-04-04 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 05:19:41PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > Adrian Bunk wrote: > > The milestone that included the start of the official security support > > for sarge was only 6 days after the announcement, but is was missed by > > more than 6 months. > > >

Re: Release update: debian-installer, kernels, infrastructure, freeze, etch, arm

2005-04-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 04:15:40PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Adrian Bunk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050401 23:35]: > > On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 03:48:00PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > >... > > > Major changes in etch > > > - > > &g

Re: Release update: debian-installer, kernels, infrastructure, freeze, etch, arm

2005-04-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 01:17:54AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 04:52:29PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Why do you need to know about all transitions this month if Debian 3.2 > > is scheduled for the end of 2006 or 2007? > > ... so that the releas

Re: CVSNT package

2005-04-07 Thread Adrian Bunk
is the one of the Debian cvs package up to 1.11.1p1-5 plus one additional cvsnt entry at the top. It doesn't seem cvsnt itself was ever part of Debian. > Christian cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had

All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free

2005-04-14 Thread Adrian Bunk
ed work a copy of the GPL. Therefore, all GPL'd programs will have to go to non-free. Q.E.D. Is this a correct interpretation of what will happen after the release of sarge or is there any mistake in my proof? cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan ask

Re: Temporal Release Strategy

2005-04-14 Thread Adrian Bunk
think any bigger transition can ever enter your "candidate" if you add to the testing criteria a "3 months" criteria all affected packages have to fulfill at the same time? > Pat cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out

Re: All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free

2005-04-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 10:31:47PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 08:08:18PM -0400, sean finney wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 11:47:26PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > Therefore, all GPL'd programs will have to go to non-free. > > > &g

Re: All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free

2005-04-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 02:22:11PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'd also say that for a user, access to documentation is an unavoidable > > requirement for using the software (e.g. for most non-trivial uses it > >

Re: All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free

2005-04-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 05:30:15PM +0200, Jacobo Tarrio wrote: > > > Adrian, you're deliberately wasting the project's time with a very old, > > > eternity-since-debunked "argument". That's known as "trolling". Unless > > > you have s

Re: All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free

2005-04-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
;t a problem, is it? > > [1] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCModifyGPL That's interesting. IOW: Different from what both I and several other people in this thread stated, the GPL is DFSG-free? cu Adrian -- "Is there not prom

Re: All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free

2005-04-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 09:33:00PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 03:44:04PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > The question remains whether a gcc or MySQL without documentation is of > > any practical value. > > There are MySQL documentation package

Re: All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free

2005-04-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
soon as you reach any question like e.g. How do I pass in a additional path to the include path of gcc? Which optimization levels does gcc support? Which optimization option is best for my CPU? you are pretty lost without the documentation. >... > Adrian> Until recently, non-f

Re: All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free

2005-04-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 07:17:08PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 12:05:42AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > If you call people who don't know about it a troll you should ensure > > that it's documented at the places where you'd expect to r

What do you win by moving things to non-free?

2005-04-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 09:07:58AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 12:18:45AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 09:33:00PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > Cool. Didn't know that. Then again, I've only been using MySQL since

Re: All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free

2005-04-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 09:22:48PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 02:51:32AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: >... > > Please tell me where the document is I should have found that explains > > Debian's position on this issue and then you have my publically

Re: What do you win by moving things to non-free?

2005-04-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
this manual to his dead father. In the first case you might have convinced a system administrator that non-free software has serious disadvantages. In the second case you'll hear a loud laugher. > Glenn Maynard cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise o

Re: What do you win by moving things to non-free?

2005-04-15 Thread Adrian Bunk
e? > > Well, it's not that we don't want gcc's documentation to be moved to > non-free; rather, we don't want gcc's documentation to *be* non-free. > The moving to non-free is just a side-effect; Adrian seems to be > saying that we should eliminate the side

Re: What do you win by moving things to non-free?

2005-04-16 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 12:31:23AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 05:54:08AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: >... > > Case 1: foo = nvidia binary modules > > Answer: Because these modules are binary-nonly and therefore > > undebuggable for everyone

Re: Temporal Release Strategy

2005-04-19 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Apr 15, 2005 at 04:45:17PM -0400, Patrick Ouellette wrote: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 11:59:52PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 10:12:31AM -0400, Patrick A. Ouellette wrote: > > >... > > > The progression I see is: > > &g

Re: All GPL'ed programs have to go to non-free

2005-04-19 Thread Adrian Bunk
that through this GR it was "firmly decided". If this was true, please give a good explanation WTF a GR that causes big changes was titled "Editorial amendments to the social contract" instead of "Debian will treat everything as software". > Glenn Maynard cu Adrian

Re: What do you win by moving things to non-free?

2005-04-19 Thread Adrian Bunk
ng a CD with the distributable part of non-free are prerequisites if your users are still a priority for you. > Greetings > Bernd cu Adrian [1] that includes hardware drivers you are removing from the kernel sources -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan as

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