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package,
not one for each of the binaries it generates.
Please merge or close all but one of your open ITP, if you have
only a single source package that generates multiple binaries
(I have no way to know if that is the case, but that seems very
probable, seeing the names of the packages you are sen
th some efforts, I haven't been able to
convince myself to write some code that does a bit more than just opening
a window.
So, either someone stands and write the above in QT or GTK, or someone
points at a decent GUI toolkit (hint: this *must* include a GUI editor
working with a mouse, like I
On 22 July 2012 18:54, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Interesting! Not a game I've ever heard of before, but the package
> description covers it thoroughly.
>
>
Perhaps not under that name, but this is more widely known these days by
the name of its 1970 commercial version, "Mastermind".
though I don't think this is packaged in Debian ... yet).
It would be really unfortunate that Debian can't use the same package
name as Ubuntu, let's avoid it!
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NO!!! Let's have the same names as in Ubuntu. Or
maybe you want to do the work of convincing them
to change the name? If so, please go ahead, and
come back here when done. Until then, please refrain
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We may also deprecate it, but only for wheezy+1.
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desktop will be installed when you select "Graphical environment". IMO, a
sane default would be something like: "Graphical environment using
${whatever} desktop". Has this been considered? Or has this changed
already since last time I tried?
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> virtualbox-guest-x11 4.1.18-dfsg-1
> virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 4.1.18-dfsg-1
>
>
>> If one enabled “3D acceleration” in the VM config, Gnome 3 shows up in
>> normal mode
>>
> 3D acceleration is enabled for this VM bu
f ifconfig is the only reason why we should move everything,
change $PATH and so on, please find a better excuse, because
I'm not at all buying into that one!
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> tho ( merge directories, add to path... link to bin only for those
> binaries that make sense there...)
>
>
Exactly what do you need from sbin as a user?
If you have some examples, then please file bugs...
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On 08/08/2012 06:21 PM, David Given wrote:
> ifconfig (before this discussion I'd never even *heard* of ip)
>
This kind of remark make be say that probably, it'd be
nice to have ifconfig display a warning as this one:
"ifconfig is deprecated, please use ip instead"
T
er than using the command line tool).
Just my 2 cents :)
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On 08/08/2012 07:16 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> 121 packages, too many to even think about getting rid of ifconfig in the
> short term...
>
I agree. However, proposing to put ifconfig in a user accessible way,
when it is in fact the wrong tool, is going backward, not forward.
Thomas
he user to choose, for the good or
the worst.
By the way:
echo "alias ifconfig='ip a'" >>.bashrc
problem solved... ;)
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merge sbin completely and put everything in bin.
Because what would be the point of sbin then?
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in /bin (or at least a symlink to it)? Shouldn't we address bugs
that are 7 years old and annoying a lot of people? :)
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e's my own
list too:
- tc (to be used with /sbin/tc qdisc show for example)
- All partitioning / formatting utilities (mkfs, resize2fs, etc.)
But that's about it. Why not trying to fix those instead?
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> openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
> consensus that it is not a credible alternative to upstart and systemd.
>
That's clearly *not* truth.
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> On Aug 11, Thomas Goirand wrote
>> Exactly! And in this particular case, the "vendor" is RedHat, and
>> the programs are systemd and udev. If we can have an alternative,
>> using OpenRC and mdev, then I really
On 08/11/2012 10:29 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Aug 11, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>
>
>>>> the programs are systemd and udev. If we can have an alternative,
>>>>
>^^
>
>
>> Please stop say
e those trying to help to move in this direction.
Let's also not forget that we have quite some time remaining until Jessie
will be released. Can't you give them a chance?
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>> As one wrote previously: mdev and OpenRC lack hostile upstreams! :)
>>
> They also lack solving large parts of the problem space.
>
I don't think anyone denies that fact. Hopefully, this will change.
Thomas
On 08/13/2012 03:44 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
> I did start the initial Debian
> packaging work last night though.
>
Is this available in a Git somewhere?
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And for that, there's no need for an ITP.
Thanks for your intention to adopt this package,
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Is this because such ports aren't part of official Debian anymore?
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use xz strong compression instead of less compressing gz / bz2.
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ridiculous to embed the sources of OpenSSL too.
So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a source
package.
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; all the more that we
> don't have currently in Debian Wheezy a reliable minifier.
>
This is the first time I read this. have you tried yui-compressor?
Isn't it good enough?
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it produce bad
minified scripts? In which case: in what way bad?
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> For some pieces of the system, “down to
> Windows level” would be quite an improvement.
>
Are you suggesting that we replace the start menu by a Sokoban game?
Sorry, couldn't resist... :)
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- If it's not trustworthy, why should it stay in Debian?
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#x27;t think anyone else has argued otherwise in this
thread (please correct me if I'm wrong here...), we have
only been discussing removing the minified version from
the original sources only (but didn't discuss the fact
the non-minified version should be there *always*).
C
Debian. I intend to revert that change unless there there is a solid
> explanation on why we should single out ourselves from the major distributions
> in our field.
>
> Have a nice day,
>
>
Hi,
This might have something to do with #674089.
I believe Ondrej (hereby Cc:) must kn
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> http://bugs.debian.org/641153
>
> Have a nice Sunday,
>
Interesting!
If a package has Built-Using, where/how will the build
dependency be downloaded? In /usr/src/package-name-?
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Le mardi 28 août 2012 18:27:23, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
>
> Are all alternate compilers expected to implement gcc extensions? Must
> the code be changed to use appropriate '#ifdef __GNUC__' guards? (And
> what happens the next time gcc adds a new extension...?)
I maintain tcc and it clearly doe
about "main" here.)
>
> Personally, I wouldn't consider that acceptable.
>
I agree. And with latest addition in uscan, we have no excuse anymore.
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(like using RAID and LVM to store /usr while still being to use an
early boot (recovery) system in / without it).
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> And I suppose Marco must remove all /usr dependencies from everything
> that installs a udev hook too?
>
Why not? Is the only argument against that is that upstream
took such decision, and that the work to be done is too big?
Thomas
on.
> 4. Don't move anything else around — unless it fixes something,
> it will just add more bugs and more problems for users
You don't need to suggest that, it has been rules inside Debian for years,
and I believe (almost) everyone understands it.
It's just that some wo
r switching to an alternative of udev
like mdev, if its development goes on the right direction,
for Jessie?
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>
It does add value, as per above.
I'll keep in mind Marco's suggestion of grml-rescueboot which I didn't
know and try in the next following days, it looks cool!
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are vital if you want to have any chance of recovering the rest
(eg: your data hosted in /var).
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nvinced that these days,
> the separate /usr is going the way of the shared /usr/share.
>
> Peter
>
Isn't it because you are just becoming a bit lazy? :)
You could also have tell me to use just one single partition, and
that having a separate /tmp, /var and so on totally usele
this
Add this a "hostile upstream", and it becomes more a threat
than an anything else, even if it's technically better and with
more features than any other init system.
Sure, OpenRC doesn't have (yet) all the features of systemd.
But because of the above, it might be
times smaller),
to the fact that it may work with something else than Linux,
or the fact that it supports also mdev. These are very interesting
features. The fact that upstream is also willing to help is also
very good.
It feels like repeating...
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On 09/02/2012 03:57 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 01, 2012 at 02:29:20AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 08/31/2012 11:52 PM, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>>> I guess I can understand that you want your /usr to be resizeable
>>
>> Not only this. I want it o
t's why "being about
> choice" is a good thing. If for some reason debian supported only `systemd`
> and tomorrow upstream announces "forget systemd it won't be supported any
> more, we've just developed a new kernel-based init system with GNOME4
> integrated i
er Nvidia?
Is it better supported, and integrate with the standard
desktop screen switcher(s), like xrandr and friends?
Just curious, and willing to know what to buy...
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This would help avoiding reactions like the one of W. Anderson,
and should be enough.
Just my 2 cents...
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On Sep 10, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Karsten Merker wrote:
I do not think that making the default desktop environment
dependent on the type of the installation medium would be a good
idea; that would cause much confusion IMHO.
This was discussed years ago, but (with some trepidation) I'd like to
b
to decide they are wrong.
Just the 0.02 RMB opinion from a "Gnome classic" user,
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per script) for this kind of
packages. The common infrastructure should make sure that the downloaded files
are crytographically checked against a hashsum.
From my head I know these similar packages: flash-installer-nonfree, some
microsoft fonts downloader, java-package (for sun's java), ..
:
* package modifies a conffile it ships
* package modifies a non-conffile it ships
* package deletes a (conf)file it ships
Very nice. Did you run this archive wide?
Can I see your log file?
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me. But people will continue to use
the older short version of it, so...
Anyone with a better idea?
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ven though
I will not use it because of the method that it was forced upon me. And
yes, OO is still a better suite than LO. Apache has stepped up and made
the needed changes.
Why is it better? The patch statistics don't agree with you, unless this has
changed recently.
It is now time for yo
onffiles"
- a newbie writing "yes but my configuration files"
- Then the DD writing "I really meant conffiles, not configuration file"
As Jakub wrote: search for "conffiles" in the -mentors list, and I guess
you'll see.
So this *is* a confusing
st-upgrade, which obviously can't work.
So, no sabotage here from Debian, only a user that doesn't
know how to use Debian and its stable/testing/sid flavors
properly.
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> So the build process is trying to determine which method will work?
> Then what if it settles on some method that is available on the build
> machine's kernel, but not the target distribution's kernel? I think you
> need to eithe
) a DD.
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skell-maintainers.
Hence it's not what was proposed.
>
> But I can also read it as a DD first needs to upload the package
> with the maintainer field set to pkg-haskell-maintainers, and
> from then on any DM in that group can upload that package.
AFAIUI, that's the proposed cha
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reason in the stable release.
I would still consider it very valuable to receive such bug reports,
even with many duplicates.
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for years without issues, and which has some other very interesting
features (like sending you a mail when the process changes PID).
You aren't much on the server things are you?
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and that I am mentoring a GSoC around it, should give
enough clue that I do know what an init system does.
BTW, I didn't intend to make you angry, or to give "lessons".
Please don't take it this way, I was only kidding you (eg: joking
*with* you, not trying to expose yo
On 05/13/2013 07:08 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2013-05-07 23:54:36 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 05/07/2013 04:00 AM, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
>>> This can be fine for some daemons/servers. For instance, for a web
>>> server, displaying a default web page is
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> He missed the fact that you were contrasting one non-crashing init, that
> is capable of restarting dead services, with another non-crashing
> init setup that is not able to do so (without help).
Oh, indeed I missed that point! Thanks Phil
ble solution will make it harder to choose though, since
I like it a lot and that it will work for kFreeBSD and Hurd, though
until then, it's pointless to argue for it, so I'm trying (hard)
not to do it... :)
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> (…) I agree dlopen()ing shared libraries in general should not
> be supported (I'd even go further and say this should be outright
> banned, given the pain it causes, and optional library support should
> always be implemented by loading a
Le vendredi 17 mai 2013 13:40:13, Dominique Dumont a écrit :
>
> This may be a dumb question, but looking at this example of different
> binNMU changelogs [1], I wonder what is the point of having a log specific
> to each build system ...
>
> In other word, can't we have a binNMU log generated by
Le vendredi 17 mai 2013 15:36:02, Julien Cristau a écrit :
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 14:14:20 +0200, Thomas Preud'homme wrote:
> > Also, it wouldn't help for the case of a binNMU on a subset of all arches
> > since only some of them would have the entry. The solution pro
do the above. It works as well if you only merge
upstream branch in your packaging branch, if you use the
following setup in debian/gbp.conf:
[DEFAULT]
debian-branch = debian/unstable
upstream-tag = %(version)s
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dy, and I am happy to see
that I'm not the only one who wish it was there. I believe that
the piuparts maintainers have that on their todo already (there's
a bug open somewhere) and that progress has been made to do it.
Insight from the piuparts maintainers would be IMO welcome, so
that
or the current init.d scripts. You
completely forgot that option.
The only thing that worries me is the cgroup thing, but probably it
should be possible to fallback to .pid files in such case (in an
automated way).
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with a s
e (140+, according to distro watch)
Debian derivatives. And I don't think I am the only one thinking this
way (in fact, I *know* many other DD / DM think this way).
So yes, being friendly for our downstream is very relevant to this
discussion (even though obviously, that isn't the only poin
n this list the git
log stats, and Lennart owns more than 40% of all the commits. So no,
Lennart is not just *one* of the systemd developers, he's the main one,
and by far.
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On 05/23/2013 03:55 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 05/23/2013 06:56 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>>> * As you may know, systemd is developed by a large amount of
>>>contributors.
>>
>> If you are tired of seeing the same arguments,
>
> Personal
with it is that it is very, very simple, and easy
to hack.
I think I wrote too much already. I would prefer to be able "it does"
rather than "it could".
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-maint/openrc.git
it currently has the lsb.pl script as a patch over here:
debian/patches/lsb-header-support.patch
though it doesn't have the python implementation of Bill Wang.
Roger, Patrick, Bill, heroxbd, your comments on the above are more than
welcome. I hope I didn't
On 05/24/2013 04:15 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 04:07:06AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 05/23/2013 03:55 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>>> How on earth does that contradict with the fact that 40%, i.e.
>>> the minority of all co
Package: wnpp
Owner: Geoffrey Thomas
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: python-github
Version : 1.15.0
Upstream Author : Vincent Jacques
* URL : https://github.com/jacquev6/PyGithub
* License : LGPL-3+
Programming Lang: Python
Description : Python
nswer to the question of what to do about kfreebsd.
If I'm not mistaking, the design you are describing is called OpenRC! :)
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On 05/24/2013 04:23 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 05/24/2013 02:19 PM, Svante Signell wrote:
>> What is the status of packaging OpenRC for Debian? Is there a group
>> doing that, is help needed?
>
> Ok, if you ask...
>
> Currently, the package can build and install
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