ACPI problems with kernel 2.6.x for Dell Inspiron 4100

2004-11-15 Thread Svante Signell
Setting default volumes... The battery monitor shows the following problem: Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and acpid daemon is running. Is the ACPI support not functional for this Dell laptop? Can I upgrade the BIOS? -- Svante Signell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: ACPI problems with kernel 2.6.x for Dell Inspiron 4100

2004-11-15 Thread Svante Signell
I'm very sorry for sending to this list. I admit that debian-kernel is more appropriate. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 11:31 +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: > Hi, > > Svante Signell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Mon, Nov 15, 2004: > > > For kernels 2.4.x ACPI is automatically

Re: ACPI problems with kernel 2.6.x for Dell Inspiron 4100

2004-11-15 Thread Svante Signell
Thanks for your help. A short followup. Only the alsa problems remain, see below. Kernels tested are 2.6.8 and 2.6.9. On Mon, 2004-11-15 at 22:07 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > I'm very sorry for sending to this list. I admit that debian-kernel is > more appropriate. > > On Mon,

gtk-doc vs glib1.2-dev info file conflict

2000-12-26 Thread Svante Signell
When upgrading libgtk-doc glib.info.gz conflicts with the same file from libglib1.2-dev. Which package is to remove the info file? Preparing to replace libgtk-doc 1:1.0.6-4 (using .../libgtk-doc_1%3a1.0.6-5_all.deb) ... Unpacking replacement libgtk-doc ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/ar

Re: gtk-doc vs glib1.2-dev info file conflict

2000-12-27 Thread Svante Signell
c Conflicts: libglib-dev, libglib1.1.5-dev, libglib1.1.7-dev, libglib1.1.8-dev, libglib1.1.9-dev, libglib1.1.10-dev, libglib1.1.11-dev, libglib1.1.12-dev, libglib1.1.13-dev, libglib1.1.16-dev Ben Gertzfield writes: > >>>>> "Svante" == Svante Signell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Sigsegvs after latest glibc-update

2001-01-03 Thread Svante Signell
Since the latest update of glibc (libc6-2.2-8) in unstable, several games, such as ut436, gltron, terminus ceased to work, exiting with a SIGSEGV error. What up?

Configure error for lm-sensors (2.5.4-2)

2001-01-07 Thread Svante Signell
Setting up lm-sensors (2.5.4-2) ... /sbin/MAKEDEV: major_ptym%d=2: command not found /sbin/MAKEDEV: major_ptys%d=3: command not found /sbin/MAKEDEV: major_tts%d=4: command not found /sbin/MAKEDEV: major_cua%d=5: command not found /sbin/MAKEDEV: major_pts%d=136: command not found

(open)ssh-2.3.0p1 when??

2001-01-07 Thread Svante Signell
Is openssh ever going to be upgraded? Latest unstable version is 2.2.0p1-1.1 from September? while the latest OpenBSD release is now 2.3.0p1! Maybe the package also should change name from ssh to openssh.

Re: (open)ssh-2.3.0p1 when??

2001-01-08 Thread Svante Signell
Damian M Gryski writes: > On Sun, 07 Jan 2001, Svante Signell wrote: > > Is openssh ever going to be upgraded? Latest unstable version is > > 2.2.0p1-1.1 from September? while the latest OpenBSD release is now > > 2.3.0p1! Maybe the package also should change nam

A question about the debian installer

2010-09-04 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, This is a question about the Debian installer. Don't know which mailing list is appropriate, sending to devel and boot. When choosing the rescue mode of the Debian CD, I tried netinst, you have to go through: language, keyboard, locale, root user setup, ordinary user setup, networking and roo

Re: Upcoming FTPMaster meeting

2011-02-06 Thread Svante Signell
On 2011-02-03, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > * get rid of hurd (or discuss this) Why? GNU/Hurd has made vast improvements during last year. Even the Debian installer is functional. Now, with support for VMs like qemu, xen and virtualbox, more people are showing interest in GNU/Hurd. -- To UNSUBSCRIB

How to do an NMU?

2011-02-28 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, After waiting for a long time on updated packages, with patches, to emacs and gdb for GNU/Hurd I think it is time for NMUs. The patches are minor, but crucial for the function on GNU/Hurd! emacs23.2+1-7: #610576 filed 20 Jan 2011. No response from the maintainer. gdb7.1-1: #579834 filed 30 A

Mirror problems?

2011-03-13 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, when apt-updating from ftp.se.debian.org i get the following Hash Sum mismatch failures: (it does not happen when using ftp.us.debian.org in sources.list) W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch W: Failed

Re: Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-13 Thread Svante Signell
Sorry, but the problem persists, since a few days by now! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1300048326.3792.8.ca...@hp.my.own.domain

Re: Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-14 Thread Svante Signell
Same problem now also at {http,ftp}.us.debian.org? W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages Hash Sum mismatch W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sou

Re: Re: Re: Mirror problems?

2011-03-15 Thread Svante Signell
Looks like it was a false alarm, all is normal again at {http,ftp}.us.debian.org. Is ftp.us.debian.org the master node? > Same problem now also at {http,ftp}.us.debian.org? > > W: Failed to fetch > bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages

lilo-22.3.2-3 trashed my SCSI disk

2002-09-03 Thread Svante Signell
Hello, After upgrade of lilo in unstable my whole SCSI disk got trashed. It could only be recovered with the use of the IBM drive fitness test tool, and a complete erase disk was necessary :-( What happened? A reinstall of Woody showed that it can only boot from the MBR partition, not the root pa

Re: Please test this woody cd image

2002-04-16 Thread Svante Signell
t and prevoius step options should be higher up in the menu. This enables you to see a way out of the install procedure, if needed. Eagerly waiting for the woody release, Svante Signell Matt Zimmerman writes: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 03:49:03PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > >

Installation screen proposal (was Please test this woody cd image)

2002-04-19 Thread Svante Signell
p in the menu. This enables you to see a way out of the >install procedure, if needed. > > Eagerly waiting for the woody release, > Svante Signell > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Why are evo*-dbg binary files not executable or don't run when made executable?

2009-03-13 Thread Svante Signell
I'm trying to debug a problem together with the evolution developers with evolution-data-server crashing when adding new email contacts and accessing address book. However, when downloading and trying to run the binary files we find that they are not executable. changing the executable flag by chmo

Re: New project goal: Get rid of Berkeley DB (post jessie)

2014-06-19 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-06-19 at 11:38 +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote: > Hi, > > > > my view is that Berkeley DB is dead since Oracle relicenced it to AGPL3; What is wrong with that license, and what was it before? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubsc

Re: so, systemd now and teh world still turns...

2014-06-24 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 01:13 +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote: > Hi Svante, > > The official source of it is here: > http://users.unixforge.de/~tglaser/debs/dists/etch/wtf/Pkgs/mirabilos-support/ > > That was announced in this thread (which you started!) : > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/20

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-24 Thread Svante Signell
On Sat, 2014-06-07 at 13:20 +, Mike Gabriel wrote: > Hi Gunnar, > The new LONG_DESCRIPTIONs start with: > > """ > The MATE Desktop Environment is the continuation of GNOME 2. It provides an > intuitive and attractive desktop environment using traditional metaphors for > Linux and other

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-25 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 22:01 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 06/25/2014 03:59 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > > You are insinuating that people are surreptitiously adding dependencies > > on systemd components their packages don’t need, just so that they get > > installed on your system to piss

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-25 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2014-06-24 at 20:23 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 24 juin 2014 à 19:57 +0200, Svante Signell a écrit : > > Are there any chances that some version of policykit-1 could stay free > > from any *systemd* dependency? > > PolicyKit needs a session trackin

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-25 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2014-06-25 at 17:38 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On 25/06/14 15:43, Svante Signell wrote: > > Regarding mate desktop policykit-1 build-depends on libsystemd-login-dev > > only for linux-any. What functionality is missing for other > > architectures? > > The i

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > >> No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as > >> shutting down the computer. > > > > Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have: > > > > -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:20 +0100, Wookey wrote: > +++ Svante Signell [2014-06-24 19:57 +0200]: > > > > I strongly recommend the systemd-must-die package to prevent systemd > > components being installed when dist-upgrading without the user being > > aware. > &g

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:45 +0100, Wookey wrote: > +++ Matthias Urlichs [2014-06-26 11:58 +0200]: > > Hi, > Which shows about a change from 'peak sysvinit-core' in mid-april: > > Mid april Now > sysvinit-core:89% 81% > systemd-sysv: 6% 19% A question: If you unins

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 14:03 +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: > [ ⏰ 26/06/2014 12:05 ] [ ✎ Svante Signell ] > > On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > >> On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > >>>> No, it didn't work. You had

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 13:53 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On 26/06/14 13:33, Svante Signell wrote: > > Of course with the additional check that the students are logged in to > > that box locally, did I forget to mention that? > > ... or > something involving utmp/wtmp/oth

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-27 Thread Svante Signell
Before this part of the thread dies out, can anybody comment on this, Simon, Ansgar, Jean-Christophe, ...? On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 16:32 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 13:53 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On 26/06/14 13:33, Svante Signell wrote: > > >

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-28 Thread Svante Signell
On Sat, 2014-06-28 at 09:50 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 26 iun 14, 14:33:49, Wookey wrote: > > > > Can it be uploaded please? As has been observed, there is a reasonable > > number of people who would like an easy way to control explicitly > > when/if they change to systemd for pid 1. Ha

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 22:09 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 13624 March 1977, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > >> You get a choice of 'prevent-systemd' which stops it running as init > >> but allows the -shim and libpam packages so that logind and the like > >> will work. Or 'systemd-must-die' which con

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-02 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 16:54 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > On 02/07/14 15:38, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > > Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > >> Wookey wrote: > > But then, I did not upload them, and I do not oppose a name change. > > Also, add the "Important: yes" header (and, obviously, remove the >

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-02 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 20:39 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > On Wed, 2014-07-02 at 16:54 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > And this one is > very important: systemd is default, not optional. ^^mandatory -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-d

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-22 Thread Svante Signell
Forward this to the debian CTTE, please! On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 22:54 +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > I just tried updating testing on my system. I currently use > sysvinit-core (reasons below), but aptitude is telling me that I > should remove this in favour of systemd-sysv. Hmm, why is that? > We

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-15 Thread Svante Signell
Please don't top post! On Thu, 2014-08-14 at 15:12 +0100, envite wrote: > Why not MATE for all and put a11y into it? > > Makes more sense for e.g. small computers like those in 3rd World talked > before. > > Enviado de Samsung Mobile I'm all for it, and am willing to help making it happen. Wi

Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-08-29 Thread Svante Signell
Hello, I'm about to install Debian Jessie/testing on a brand new (powerful) computer and don't want to have systemd running as PID 1. Is the only way to do that now is to install with the installer, getting systemd-sysv as PID 1, and later install sysvinit-core, systemd-shim etc? -- To UNSUBS

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-02 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 13:15 +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Steven Chamberlain wrote: > > > rejected. I hope a Blend would be a more constructive approach. I'm > > thinking sysvinit would be the easiest 'flavour' to implement for > > Actually, I think it’s the hardest one. >

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-03 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 16:03 +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Svante Signell dixit: > > > It would be nice to have the same init system:sysv-core, as well as the > > same default desktop:mate-desktop-environment (including accessibility > > enhancements), for all arches:

Re: Jessie without systemd as PID 1?

2014-09-03 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 10:45 -0400, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi Svante, > > On Mittwoch, 3. September 2014, Svante Signell wrote: > > Some food for thought about systemd: > > You might have seen this http://ewontfix.com/14 > > but have you seen this http://ewont

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-05 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 14:20 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, > Thus, unless the user explicitly tells the apt{-get,itude} subsystem not > to switch to systemd (by whatever means, the details of which I personally > am not at all interested in), a dist-upgrade should do so. How? All efforts so

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-05 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 16:07 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > 2014-09-05 15:12 GMT+02:00 Svante Signell : > > On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 14:20 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > How? All efforts so far and bugs reported are being brought down > > actively. > Install systemd-

Re: Seeking help with OpenVPN scripts and systemd

2014-09-25 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-09-25 at 19:07 +0200, Guido Günther wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:53:51PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > My understanding is that they recommend NetworkManager or ConnMan (which > > are competitors, and fill a similar niche) for dynamic / mobile / > > wireless situations; where

Re: upgrades must not change the installed init system [was: Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing]

2014-09-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2014-09-26 at 13:04 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > On 11/09/14 14:36, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 21:36 +, Nick Phillips wrote: > > [...] > >> Debian has a good and hard-earned reputation for not messing up > >> sysadmins' changes; upgrading to systemd - h

Tests running as (real) root?

2014-10-11 Thread Svante Signell
Hello, I have a question about how to run tests for a package needing root to run properly, fakeroot is not sufficient. I've made one of the packages to build properly with: sudo run_test and fixed the sudoers file. But how to fix that so the package can be built on a buildd? Thanks! -- To

Re: Tests running as (real) root?

2014-10-12 Thread Svante Signell
On Sun, 2014-10-12 at 11:11 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Svante Signell wrote: > > > I have a question about how to run tests for a package needing root to > > run properly, fakeroot is not sufficient. I've made one of the packages > >

Re: Tests running as (real) root?

2014-10-12 Thread Svante Signell
On Sun, 2014-10-12 at 16:36 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 15:45:50 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > > > On Sun, 2014-10-12 at 11:11 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: Tests running as (real) root?

2014-10-12 Thread Svante Signell
On Sun, 2014-10-12 at 10:01 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Svante Signell writes: > > On Sun, 2014-10-12 at 16:36 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > > >> If that means you need to run your gnome session as root in order to get > >> mlocked secrets, maybe the tests failing

Re: apt-get install sysvinit-core removes gnome?

2014-10-16 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-10-16 at 20:36 +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 05:35:09PM +0100, Martin Read wrote: > > mormegil@cocytus:~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00dontbeanidiot > > Aptitude::ProblemResolver { > > SolutionCost "priority, removals, canceled-actions"; > > } > > That looks very use

Re: piece of mind

2014-10-21 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2014-10-21 at 16:03 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > The Wanderer wrote: > This is the problem. The init system should not be providing > "features" > which other software might, post-boot and pre-shutdown, want to make > use > of. (AFAIK sysvinit never did, and

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-11-13 at 08:25 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Florian Lohoff writes: > > > I meanwhile see the systemd issue as a social problem within > > debian. There are design issues which are REALLY controversial. In the > > past Debian did good by delaying adoption of controversial technical >

ITP? Sponsors of eudev, consolekit2, uselessd?

2014-11-13 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, I'm currently looking into packaging eudev, consolekit2, uselessd for Debian. If doing so, is anybody interested in sponsoring uploads of these packages? It would be great to know, before digging into the details. If you wish, please reply to me privately. Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2014-11-13 at 13:39 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Patrick Ouellette writes: > > > We do tell users of Debian what to do - that's part of the problem right > > now. We told the users they will switch init systems, and a large > > portion (or at least a vocal portion) don't want to. > > We

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 09:16 +1100, Brian May wrote: > On 14 November 2014 04:20, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez > wrote: > > Which would suggest that udev might stop supporting the > userspace-to-userspace netlink-based transport in the future. However, > unless I am mistaken, I don't think this mean

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 09:46 +1100, Brian May wrote: > On 14 November 2014 09:30, Svante Signell > wrote: > >From an irc:(16:06:44) xxx: udevd starts very slowly without > systemd... > any chance i can speed it up? > > > Assuming that report i

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 00:07 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:30:25PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > >From an irc:(16:06:44) xxx: udevd starts very slowly without systemd... > > any chance i can speed it up? > > This is #767363 aka #754987 aka ~1

Some questions about the GR voting

2014-11-14 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, I have two questions about the GR voting going on (I'm not subscribed to debian-vote, unfortunately, and somebody even wanted me to be banned :( ) 1) If a DD (the only persons able to vote?) change their mind, can they do so before the deadline, or is their vote set in stone once issued? 2)

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-15 Thread Svante Signell
On Sat, 2014-11-15 at 13:37 +0100, Raphaël Halimi wrote: > Le 13/11/2014 18:58, Ralf Jung a écrit : > > How does having yet another NTP client shut off existing NTP clients? > > How does having yet another way to configure your network shut off > > existing alternatives? > > How does having yet an

Debian maintainers for Enlightenment?

2012-04-13 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, Are the Debian Maintainers for Enlightenment packages active? There has not been any packaging updates since 2011-04-25 (almost a year) while upstream has made several releases since then. http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/e17.html gives two names and a link to the "Debian Pkg-e Team". Looks li

eglibc 2.14 for wheezy?

2012-04-14 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, As the title says, are there plans to use eglibc 2.14 for wheezy?? It has been out for some time now. Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/133

Re: eglibc 2.14 for wheezy?

2012-04-14 Thread Svante Signell
On Sat, 2012-04-14 at 20:27 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Svante Signell (14/04/2012): > > As the title says, are there plans to use eglibc 2.14 for wheezy?? > > It has been out for some time now. > > Again, ask the maintainers. Not dd@. OK, I will, where? -- To

Packaging of new upstream (pre-)releases until wheezy

2012-04-14 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, A question about packaging of some upstream (pre-)releases. It seems like many DMs package new releases/fixes bugs closer to the release than attending to that now. Of course it is a time/resource issue, but anyway. Why not package pre-releases in experimental, to squeeze bugs out before the n

Re: Packaging of new upstream (pre-)releases until wheezy

2012-04-14 Thread Svante Signell
On Sat, 2012-04-14 at 21:40 +0200, Martin Bagge / brother wrote: > On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, Svante Signell wrote: > > > It seems > > like many DMs package new releases/fixes bugs closer to the release than > > attending to that now. Of course it is a time/resource issue,

Anything still not OK with apt 0.9.1?

2012-04-19 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, when apt-get update the following happens when updating from a port (that doesn't have a valid public key): No problems before 0.9.x?? Ign http://ftp.debian-ports.org unreleased/main Translation-en W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian-ports.org unreleased Release: Th

Re: Anything still not OK with apt 0.9.1?

2012-04-19 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 23:19 +0200, Martin Bagge / brother wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2012, Svante Signell wrote: > > > Hi, when apt-get update the following happens when updating from a port > > (that doesn't have a valid public key): > > This has been the case fo

Re: Anything still not OK with apt 0.9.1?

2012-04-19 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 23:19 +0200, Martin Bagge / brother wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2012, Svante Signell wrote: .. > and that key (it looks like two keys really...A92F9FF4 is for > debian-ports.org) is installed in the keyring? > sudo apt-key list > > if not > either inst

I want to become a Debian maintainer!

2012-04-20 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, As some of you might (not) know I'm working on porting GNU/Hurd to be part of the next release, wheezy. (Yes, I know some of you react on something not being GNU/Linux, like kFreeBSD or Hurd :( ) Samuel Thibault is the hero with respect to everything regarding GNU/Hurd, especially Debian GNU/

Re: I want to become a Debian maintainer!

2012-04-20 Thread Svante Signell
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 00:31 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > Hi, > > As some of you might (not) know I'm working on porting GNU/Hurd to be > part of the next release, wheezy. (Yes, I know some of you react on > something not being GNU/Linux, like kFreeBSD or Hurd :( ) Samuel &g

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-04-25 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 19:49 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Apr 25, Patrick Lauer wrote: > ... > > I'd like to ask you to evaluate OpenRC as candidate to replace the "old" > > have-always-been-there sysvinit/insserv init scripts in Debian. > What we need is an event-driven init system, anything e

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-04-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 09:57 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 26 avril 2012 à 09:47 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : > > > Unless you have radically modified things from the way the kernel works > > > by default, a lot of things already happen on your servers when a usb > > > device is inser

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-04-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 19:27 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 26 avril 2012 à 19:05 +0200, Svante Signell a écrit : > > Init is about the boot of the computer, right? Who is stupid enough to > > put in a usb stick _during_ the boot? We need to separate boot from >

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-04-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 18:09 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 07:05:55PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > > Init is about the boot of the computer, right? Who is stupid enough to > > put in a usb stick _during_ the boot? We need to separate boot from > > addin

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-04-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 22:20 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Svante Signell] .. > Say you want to mount a network disk during boot. This depend on the > network being configured. This in turn might depend on a DHCP reply > from a DHCP server, and to send the DHCP request the

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-04-27 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 09:54 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 26 avril 2012 à 22:29 +0200, Svante Signell a écrit : ... > This must have been explained HUNDREDS of times in the endless threads > full of stupid messages from stupid dumbasses who don’t understand a > thin

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-04-27 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 16:29 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 09:54 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > And why is udev classified as important, what's the use of that on > > > servers? > > > > Because Linux, in its current architectur

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-04-29 Thread Svante Signell
On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 02:29 +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > OoO Vers la fin de l'après-midi du vendredi 27 avril 2012, vers 16:29, > Svante Signell disait : > > > Apparently it can today ... with init scripts, which _new_ features will > > be brought in for the _boot

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-04-29 Thread Svante Signell
On Sun, 2012-04-29 at 20:19 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Apr 29, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > I hope I'm not alone in feeling quite uneasy about the implications > > of the above. > We can all be "uneasy" about it until we are blue in the face, but since > Red Hat maintains most Linux core compon

Definition of _boot_

2012-04-29 Thread Svante Signell
Hello, In line with the recent discussion, lets aim at defining what _boot_ is: - initializing the RAM: yes - initializing the CPU(s): yes - loading the kernel: yes - initializing the graphics card: yes for text mode, graphics mode can come later - initializing the HDD(s): yes, if boot devices. -

Re: Definition of _boot_

2012-04-29 Thread Svante Signell
On Sun, 2012-04-29 at 21:52 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 09:51:37PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > > Hello, > > > > In line with the recent discussion, lets aim at defining what _boot_ is: > [...] > > No, let's not. Beyond RAM, CPU, I

Re: Definition of _boot_

2012-04-29 Thread Svante Signell
On Sun, 2012-04-29 at 23:48 +0200, Carsten Hey wrote: > * Svante Signell [2012-04-29 21:51 +0200]: > > In line with the recent discussion, lets aim at defining what _boot_ is: > > I'm rather sure that he wants to define booting as part of what > currently is done in /etc/

Re: Definition of _boot_

2012-05-01 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2012-04-30 at 20:30 +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > OoO En ce doux début de matinée du lundi 30 avril 2012, vers 08:15, > Svante Signell disait : > > >> I'm rather sure that he wants to define booting as part of what > >> currently is done in /etc/rc

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-07 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 20:13 -0400, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > Patrick Lauer writes: ... > > Where we disagree is mostly the policy - is that enabled by default? > > (potentially bad) > > What if a service gets restarted multiple times? (infinite loop) > > Do we want to add a general notifier? (send an

Re: Making -devel discussions more viable (init system)

2012-05-09 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 16:58 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 05/03/2012 07:23 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > I agree that's a problem too and I share your feeling that it has been > > particularly bad in recent discussions like the init system ones. > To keep on the topic of the init systems, w

Packaging a new release of released SW, not considered by the DM?

2012-05-31 Thread Svante Signell
Hi, A Short question. Is it possible to ITP a new release of some software not being even considered by the DM, for whatever reason. Wishlist bugs are submitted, etc. According to if there is no reply of bug reports, there seems to be no interest at all from the DM to package that piece of SW, not

Re: Packaging a new release of released SW, not considered by the DM?

2012-05-31 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 16:20 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Svante Signell dijo [Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:22:21PM +0200]: > > Hi, > > > > A Short question. Is it possible to ITP a new release of some software > > not being even considered by the DM, for whatever reason. Wish

Re: Packaging a new release of released SW, not considered by the DM?

2012-06-01 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 17:40 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Svante Signell dijo [Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:45:13PM +0200]: > > > It's *usually* not what you want to do. There are several cases where > > > different versions of the same program are available in Debian, and I &g

CFC: Re: Why is irqbalance package so out of date?

2012-06-15 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 08:54 -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote: > Irqbalance project has moved to http://code.google.com/p/irqbalance/ > The current Debian package is back at 0.56 (over 2yrs old) > and upstream is now at version 1.0.3 This is another example (of many) on how old-fashioned the Debian p

Re: duplicates in the archive

2012-06-25 Thread Svante Signell
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 08:19 +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > Adam Borowski kirjoitti: > > >Sure, let's start removals with ones that hard-depend on things a > >window > >manager shouldn't touch, like network-manager. Yes, why not! > Which wm does that? I know it isn't gnome-shell at l

Re: cross-build-essential

2012-06-28 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 10:29 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On 28/06/12 10:17, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Say I want to have the build-essential for i386 installed on amd64. > > I could install build-essential:i386, replacing gcc/g++:amd64 with > > gcc/g++:i386. Wouldn't that give me everything

Re: Recommends for metapackages

2012-07-12 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 05:42 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 09:32:19PM -0600, Philipp Kern wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 07:21:00PM +0100, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: > > > Installing N-M breaks unrelated software. > > > > No. At most it breaks *related* software. > >

RFC: Why are so many debian packages outdated?

2012-07-12 Thread Svante Signell
Hello, Now when Wheezy is about to be released I would like to raise an issue. How come that there are still so many outdated packages becoming part of Wheezy. Some package maintainers are very responsive in upgrading to new upstream releases, others are having packages several years old. Somethi

Re: RFC: Why are so many debian packages outdated?

2012-07-12 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 00:20 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Svante Signell writes: > > NMUs should be made/allowed/encouraged? I know all packaging is made by > > volunteers at their spare time, but anyway. Debian is one of the best > > distributions, what about rai

Re: RFC: Why are so many debian packages outdated?

2012-07-12 Thread Svante Signell
Adding debian-devel to the recipients. I think the question belongs there. On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 21:39 +, Bart Martens wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:25:47PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Fri, 2012-07-13 at 00:20 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > > > Svan

emacs23 and/or emacs24 in Wheezy?

2012-07-25 Thread Svante Signell
Hello, Is emacs24 going to be the default package for Wheezy? If so all the 34 build-dependencies on emacs23 should be changed to emacs24. Alternately, should both versions be supported with status quo wrt these dependencies? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org wit

Re: RFC: Why are so many debian packages outdated?

2012-07-25 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 23:47 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > Adding debian-devel to the recipients. I think the question belongs > there. > > On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 21:39 +, Bart Martens wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:25:47PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > > >

Re: emacs23 and/or emacs24 in Wheezy?

2012-07-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 07:47 +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: > On 26/07/2012 02:39, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2012-07-25 21:28:16 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > >> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:58:20 +0200 > >> Svante Signell wrote: > >> > >>> Is em

Re: emacs23 and/or emacs24 in Wheezy?

2012-07-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 02:39 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2012-07-25 21:28:16 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:58:20 +0200 > > Svante Signell wrote: > > > > > Is emacs24 going to be the default package for Wheezy? ... > > emac

Re: RFC: Why are so many debian packages outdated?

2012-07-26 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 15:13 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Svante Signell writes: > > > I think this issue is very relevant to Wheezy. Why are there so many > > outdated packages going into this release? The whole idea of unstable is > > (to my understanding) to pac

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