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> The much larger consequence of this meeting, however, has been the
> crafting of a prospective release plan for etch. The release team and
> the ftpmasters are mutually agreed that it is not sustainable to
> continue making coordina
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> The much larger consequence of this meeting, however, has been the
> crafting of a prospective release plan for etch. The release team and
> the ftpmasters are mutually agreed that it is not sustainable to
> continue making coordina
the main release, even if they didn't track
testing along the way. When there are divergences, they should be small
and minimal.
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manner Debian does* have been well demonstrated.
Other projects -- for isntance, Gentoo and NetBSD -- have been able to
do it sucessfully.
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lot of ports. (Of course they have far fewer
> packages than we do so their problem is on a much smaller scale.)
> Do they release new versions on all ports at once?
Gentoo also has quite a lot of ports, and have quite a lot of packages,
also.
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I agree, and I too am quite sad that a number of DPL candidates signed
off on this without asking hard questions about it or even putting it
out for discussion and feedback first.
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to SCC for non-technical economic reasons (such as no
new hardware being sold), and thus doomed to a slow, painful death in
Debian.
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nother.
Now, having said that, some people have raised good points about the
continued viability of unstable for these archs, namely the tendency of
a number of maintainers to ignore arch-specific bugs until they become
RC, and such.
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But the proposal as given takes a far more draconian approach.
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er-2 arches so it only has to be
> done once.
You know, the irony in all this is that the effort required to support
these SCC archs is greater than what would have been required to support
a non-free section outside of ftp.debian.org. It seems that we find it
easier to remove Free softwar
on a technical project is to get the technology right.
Agreed. But like you said, this was handled sub-optimally and I'm not
surprised at the resulting reactions.
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> What that actually means is that when porters want to stabilise, they'll
> be able to simply stop autobuilding unstable, fix any remaining problems
> that are a major concern, and request a snapshot be done. That'll result
> in a n
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 03:57:40PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 10:06:35AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
>
> > I have no objection to releasing security updates for the 4 "main" archs
> > with announcements, and the rest as soon as they're c
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:46:51AM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 04:27:50PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > If I had to think of a rationale for it, the only one I could think of
> > would be "the architecture needs to be fast enough not to block security
> > updates".
>
m model.
> >3) For the release problem: not requiring all archs to release at once
>
> Uh, that's what we're doing.
No, you're not permitting most archs to release at all.
That is different from allowing them to release, but at different
times.
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:14:47PM -0500, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 07:02:05PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > Really, I don't really understand all the difficulty of running
> > apt-get -b source, or pbuilder, or some such for n+1 archs as opposed
&g
t. So:
* Make sure yuo rnu it as root (no support for fakeroot/sudo yet)
* It can't resolve dep loops
* It can't handle !arch strings in deps accurately
* It spews debugging info to stdout
* It uses /var/cache/srcinst for its working area. Make sure /var is
free enough.
So, w
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:42:32PM +0100, Lech Karol Paw?aszek wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 of March 2005 18:25, John Goerzen wrote:
> [...]
> > More on srcinst:
> [...]
> > So, what do you think? Could this work?
>
> What's a difference between srcinst and apt-buil
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:57:00PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi, John Goerzen wrote:
>
> > 1) Difficulty with, and speed of, buildd systems
> >
> > 2) Difficulty of syncing testing across all archs given #1
>
> 2a) Bugs on "small" arch whic
ake the necessary
adjustments before delivering the mail to my ISP's smarthost. The only
change I've ever found necessary, though, is to forge the HELO command used
by my MTA when talking to the smarthost.
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ould serve your users better.
Yes, but I hope that this proposal, or other suggestions, can help us
avoid dropping ports. This specific proposal, for instance, is meant to
provide us with a way forward that addresses the main concerns while
still producing a quality, usable result for our us
ns while
> > still producing a quality, usable result for our users.
>
> ...and may encourage development of new architectures as the overhead
> for each would be much smaller.
Exactly. If we were doing this, there would have been no reason to keep
amd64 out of sarge, for instance.
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>
> Nice idea, but I do not really see the benefit, more than on ftp disk space
> and security update speed.
Also with the testing synchronization. But then, these three are the
main problems we've been told about, right? :-)
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> Hi, John Goerzen wrote:
>
> > This specific proposal, for instance, is meant to
> > provide us with a way forward that addresses the main concerns while
> > still producing a quality, usable result for
t these tasks
are, so they know whether or not they'd be qualified, and could gain
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onfig is not kernel-specific. It's just a little Perl program that
edits some PPP files. While I have never tried it, I see no reason why it
wouldn't work on Solaris or BSD.
I'm quite surprised that the Hurd still doesn't support PPP.
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> I'd like to know if anyone cares about using these binary signatures
I do.
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Marc Haber writes:
> So, most of the DD's do not care about security at all.
I think that DD's do not use dpkg-sig and debsigs because they believe them
to be hard to use and not supported by the infrastructure or by policy.
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> Security is more than package signatures.
What is your specific proposal?
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I wrote:
> I think that DD's do not use dpkg-sig and debsigs because they believe
> them to be hard to use and not supported by the infrastructure or by
> policy.
Marc Haber writes:
> dpkg-sig is harly "hard to use".
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directory?
Or is this a bug (i.e. the default behaviour of the kbuild Makefiles
should be to install modules in /lib/modules/`uname -r` to be consistent
with modprobe)?
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Erinn Clark writes:
> Surely flaming people on mailing lists as a way to get things done is not
> something people want to encourage in NMs... right?
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I don't see why we need to concern ourselves about it, though. Intel has
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On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 03:32:43AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
>
> Anyway, that's the general idea; hopefully it'll become clearer
> later. Given release architectures have de-facto requalified, candidates
> for archive (re)qualification are ttbomk:
>
> * arm, m68k, s390, sparc
> * am
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o do so, but
> in my experience Ubuntu developers have been very cooperative when they
> have been approached. So I don't see a big problem.
I don't either. After all, most users don't file bug reports, and Ubuntu
is (in my view), a user. It would be nice to have their feedback
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> my packages.
mdz writes:
> Have you ever received such a notification?
Yes.
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> before sending them to the Debian maintainer.
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> ...what's stopping us from officially discouraging Ubuntu's existence?
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:57:01PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 08:35:02AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > That's not correct. The project simply voted not to removed it at that
> > time, by defeating the GR. There was no affirmative vote to keep
>
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 04:35:31PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 09:23:41AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > I don't see what that has to do with the simple fact of what the vote
> > was about and how it turned out.
>
> So, you think that the vote
at some of these don't matter for source archives. That
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unstable already, so there is no technical reason to avoid it.
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I was wondering where I could read some goals for the Etch Decktop. What
is the plan fram here. What versions of gnome and KDE do you hope to
have. Any chance gnome 2.16 will be in Etch? :) Also what is this HA
marc writes:
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Once every three months the new "Pre-Stable" distro will upload only
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ng on pre-historic machines here. There needs to be at
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Pierre Habouzit writes:
> I strongly oppose to such an expulsion.
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me. I've already heard your arguments for and against me running
one of the teams I'll not mention, but whoever does shouldn't worship
another DD like Pierre Habouzit and others are.
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There appears to be a package "man" in frozen that shouldn't be there since
man-db is the new name for that package. Somebody needs to take it out;
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> Where is it?
> I've just looked both in ftp.debian.org and in master, but man_ is only
> in rexx .
>
> Or maybe it has been just removed?
Hmm, either that or we are looking at a bug in dselect herebecause it
certainly was in the package list when I upg
send your contributions, bugreports, hints etc. to the
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I am a little confused about this since Perl modules kinda fit the
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standard widget set).
I don't know which package is causing this...
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> > Well, I don't know if the new server coredumps. But the new client
> > coredumps every time I load it.
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>
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w release debian and in the package xyz
> .").
Perhaps this is something that gnats can be used for. I know FreeBSD
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Some time ago, I handed mgetty over to Siggy Brentrup. However, I
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So...would somebody be willing to take over mgetty? Right now, it
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s a bit of a simplification), xemacs is basically GNU
emacs plus a lot of freely-available goodies and an enhanced X
interface (toolbars, colors, etc.)
Xemacs is probably the best editor I've ever used and I would really
like to see somebody maintain it. I unfortunately cannot at this
time
Why are we using dotfile locking only? There are much better
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> > Why are we using dotfile locking only? There are much better
> > mechanisms (flock, etc.) that should be used instead. I can see no
> > place where dotfile locking woul
However, why is it bad if a given program (like Elm-ME+ which I
maintain, which brought the issue to my attention this time) uses
*both* locking mechanisms?
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> > Hello,
> >
> > It appears that James LewisMoss, previous maintainer of xemacs, is no
> > longer around.
>
> I just did a `grep LewisMoss
a copy of this mail to his address anyway...)
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em using "real" time. On June 31, its idea of time would be
> wrong until the next software upgrade. Then, all time stamps would
> suddenly change by one second (possibly causing FTP server remirroring and
> other unpleasant effects).
>
> This is completely unacceptabl
It seems to me that dc and bc aren't vital to the workings of a system (when
I deselect them, dselect doesn't warn about any dependencies), yet they are
in Important. Why?
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policy doesn't quite apply correctly.
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > It seems to me that dc and bc aren't vital to the workings of a
> > system (when I deselect them, dselect doesn't warn
fo 0)
> ./x11/9term_1.6.6-3.deb: 551 (doc 551,info 0)
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
> -- Christian Schwarz
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Who said anything about "working"?
Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > * gcc should be in Important because everybody expects a C compiler
>
> Maybe they expect it, but these days, they don't *get* one... none of
> solaris, hpux, irix ship with a
printed output from documentation done in HTML. This is, in
large part, due to the fact that HTML documentation tends to be split
up into many small files. There also can be no real index for the
printed copy.
While HTML is good for online viewing with certain conditions, it is
not suited to a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl M. Hegbloom) writes:
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> John> * GNU Info has an awkward interface and is difficult to
> John> search. It is also nearly impossible to print an ent
card available on the market)
We use some 3COM cards. We have had best luck with cards based on
Digital's chipset. These include Kingston and SMC cards.
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response. Can someone who is not going on vacation please supply the
appropriate address?
John Hasler
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Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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