On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:26:09AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Also, Netplan is just a configuration layer. That's a way simpler than NM or
> sd-networkd.
In principle, ifupdown is little more than a configuration layer as
well. It doesn't manage anything itself, it delegates everything to
ext
Hello,
On Sun, 14 Jul 2024, at 11:21, Martin-Éric Racine wrote:
>> > > Not quite true, vlan support is now internal AFAIK, or at least I haven't
>> > > installed `vlan` in ages and things seem to work :)
>> >
>> > I said ifupdown, not ifupdown-ng.
>>
>> I was talking about *ifupdown*. Sorry for no
On 16.07.24 08:00, Marc Haber wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 15:35:32 +0200, Lukas Märdian
wrote:
I don't want people to think too much in terms of "sd-networkd VS Netplan",
but rather in terms of "sd-networkd PLUS Netplan". Contributors to Netplan
naturally build up knowledge in sd-networkd (and N
On Jul 16, 2024 4:55 PM, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> Netplan is integrated with [cloud-init] "v2" network configuration and the
> "cloud-config"
> is adopted by many major public cloud providers (AWS, GCE, Azure, ...) as a
> deployment
> method, which makes it a well-known format. Similarly de
On 16/7/24 10:54, Lukas Märdian wrote:
[snip]
But it's not just this.
Netplan's beauty starts to shine when we're talking about the full
picture:
* Netplan PLUS sd-networkd (server/cloud/container)
* Netplan PLUS NetworkManager(desktop/laptop)
* Netplan PLUS wpa_supplicant (server/embedded, u
Am Di, Jul 16, 2024 at 10:54:47 +0200 schrieb Lukas Märdian:
* Netplan PLUS NetworkManager(desktop/laptop)
All my desktops have only LAN and are working very well with ifupdown
since the beginning.
My Laptops are mostly in a LAN either. So NM is onlay needed for the rare
cases I’m in a WLAN.
Hi d-devel,
since this came up in #d-mentors recently: is anyone working on nicer
tooling in the vein of gbp-import-ref but with the ability to handle
Files-Excluded like mk-origtargz?
Some packages are starting to resort to hacks:
https://salsa.debian.org/rust-team/mdBook/-/blob/debian/latest/de
On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 11:24:54AM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote:
> Am Di, Jul 16, 2024 at 10:54:47 +0200 schrieb Lukas Märdian:
> > Using Debian should NOT feel like using different distros. We want
>
> Sorry, I call this bullshit. I’m using Debian exactly because it feels
> different like other dis
On 16/07/24 11:36, Daniel Gröber wrote:
since this came up in #d-mentors recently: is anyone working on nicer
tooling in the vein of gbp-import-ref but with the ability to handle
Files-Excluded like mk-origtargz?
Because having DFSG-clean "debian" branches is (at the moment) a
nice-to-have fea
On 16.07.24 11:24, Jose Luis Tallon wrote:
On 16/7/24 10:54, Lukas Märdian wrote:
[snip]
But it's not just this.
Netplan's beauty starts to shine when we're talking about the full picture:
* Netplan PLUS sd-networkd (server/cloud/container)
* Netplan PLUS NetworkManager(desktop/laptop)
* Netpl
On 16.07.24 11:06, tho...@goirand.fr wrote:
On Jul 16, 2024 4:55 PM, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> Netplan is integrated with [cloud-init] "v2" network configuration and the
"cloud-config"
> is adopted by many major public cloud providers (AWS, GCE, Azure, ...) as a
deployment
> method, which ma
Stephan Seitz writes:
> Am Di, Jul 16, 2024 at 10:54:47 +0200 schrieb Lukas Märdian:
...
>>Using Debian should NOT feel like using different distros. We want
>
> Sorry, I call this bullshit. I’m using Debian exactly because it feels
> different like other distros. There wouldn’t be a need for D
On 16.07.24 11:24, Stephan Seitz wrote:
Am Di, Jul 16, 2024 at 10:54:47 +0200 schrieb Lukas Märdian:
* Netplan PLUS NetworkManager(desktop/laptop)
All my desktops have only LAN and are working very well with ifupdown since the
beginning.
My Laptops are mostly in a LAN either. So NM is onlay n
On Mon, 2024-07-15 at 17:20 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote:
> [Also adding Phil]
>
> On 15.07.24 14:52, Andreas Ronnquist wrote:
> > > Packages built for the i386 arch need to conform to the i386 baseline,
> > > which is currently i686. If a package contains a newer instruction it's a
> > > bug in that
On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 12:46:01PM +0100, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > > > Packages built for the i386 arch need to conform to the i386 baseline,
> > > > which is currently i686. If a package contains a newer instruction it's
> > > > a
> > > > bug in that package and gcc is not the cause of it, the packa
Am Di, Jul 16, 2024 at 13:14:44 +0200 schrieb Lukas Märdian:
On 16.07.24 11:24, Stephan Seitz wrote:
None of my servers are using WLAN. They all work very well with
ifupdown including bonding/vlans.
This might not be your usecase, but I regularly see setups of "embedded
boards", like Raspberry
Hi,
On 2024-07-16 14:14, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 12:46:01PM +0100, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > > Packages built for the i386 arch need to conform to the i386 baseline,
> > > which is currently i686. If a package contains a newer instruction it's a
> > > bug in that package
On Tue, 2024-07-16 at 14:36 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2024-07-16 14:14, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 12:46:01PM +0100, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > > > > > Packages built for the i386 arch need to conform to the i386
> > > > > > baseline,
> > > > > > which is curr
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 13:13:16 +0200, Philip Hands wrote:
> I suspect having something that's agnostic about the underlying
> implementation as our default would be rather better for the non-systemd
> options that people care about, …
> Also, networkd doesn't support non-Linux and non-systemd system
gregor herrmann writes:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 13:13:16 +0200, Philip Hands wrote:
>
>> I suspect having something that's agnostic about the underlying
>> implementation as our default would be rather better for the non-systemd
>> options that people care about, …
>> Also, networkd doesn't support
On 16.07.24 15:05, gregor herrmann wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 13:13:16 +0200, Philip Hands wrote:
I suspect having something that's agnostic about the underlying
implementation as our default would be rather better for the non-systemd
options that people care about, …
Also, networkd doesn't sup
On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 12:16:44PM +0200, Gioele Barabucci wrote:
> On 16/07/24 11:36, Daniel Gröber wrote:
> > since this came up in #d-mentors recently: is anyone working on nicer
> > tooling in the vein of gbp-import-ref but with the ability to handle
> > Files-Excluded like mk-origtargz?
>
> B
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 at 14:05, gregor herrmann wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 13:13:16 +0200, Philip Hands wrote:
>
> > I suspect having something that's agnostic about the underlying
> > implementation as our default would be rather better for the non-systemd
> > options that people care about, …
* Lukas Märdian [240715 10:33]:
> No. We're talking about the "netplan-generator" package, which comes without
> any
> Python dependencies. It's a part of the netplan.io source package and
> everything
> that would be required in the default installation.
Thanks. I've filed wishlist Bug#107644
Hi Luca,
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 02:50:17PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> Let's put some hard numbers on the table given this is an important
> detail. The following is all starting from a default debootstrapped
> unstable.
>
> With networkd only we can drop ifupdown, net changes:
>
> REMOVING:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 at 14:46, Daniel Gröber wrote:
>
> Hi Luca,
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 02:50:17PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > Let's put some hard numbers on the table given this is an important
> > detail. The following is all starting from a default debootstrapped
> > unstable.
> >
> > W
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On Tue, 2024-07-16 at 15:23 +0200, Lukas Märdian wrote:
> On 16.07.24 15:05, gregor herrmann wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 13:13:16 +0200, Philip Hands wrote:
> >
> > > I suspect having something that's agnostic about the underlying
> > > implementation as our default would be rather better
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> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 06:06:21PM GMT, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> (all of wh
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 02:57:21AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Lukas Märdian (2024-07-11):
> > Additional benefits of Netplan:
> > * Already used on Debian Bookworm [cloud] images by default
>
> Having started to toy with cloud images these last few days, and
> learning about the various comp
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