Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 21. November 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: > Maybe you think it's a waste to replace old PCs, but in many cases it's > a waste of money to keep them running. Electricity isn't getting any > cheaper and modern systems are much better at power-saving. This is true, but not everywhere o

Bug#649477: ITP: unidecode -- ASCII transliterations of Unicode text (Python module)

2011-11-21 Thread Stefano Rivera
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Stefano Rivera * Package name: unidecode Version : 0.04.9 Upstream Author : Tomaz Solc * URL : http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Unidecode * License : GPL-2+ Programming Lang: Python Description : ASCII transliteration

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > I think that would be a pity if Debian will not provide anymore a kernel > > for this old cpus. > > Maybe you think it's a waste to replace old PCs, but in many cases it's > a waste of money to keep them running. Electricity isn't getting any > chea

Re: Appreciation

2011-11-21 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Michael Hall [2011.11.21.0100 +0100]: > The Ubuntu community is holding a community appreciation day[1] > today, and I wanted to extend that to the entire Debian community > as well. Thanks. It's good to see that there are still people in the Ubuntu community who have a grasp of the b

Bug#649483: ITP: libstoragemgmt -- library for storage management

2011-11-21 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ritesh Raj Sarraf * Package name: libstoragemgmt Version : git master Upstream Author : Tony Asleson * URL : http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/libstoragemgmt/ * License : LGPL Programming Lang: C++, Python Description

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi Russel, On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 09:09:58PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > I think that would be a pity if Debian will not provide anymore a kernel > > > for this old cpus. > > > > Maybe you think it's a waste to replace old PCs, but in many case

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > well, its obvious that the absolute power consumption, which is what > you measure, has increased, given that the performance of the systems > has increased as well. If you are setting up a network of machines for bitcoin mining then it's most li

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
Hi, On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:30:22PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > well, its obvious that the absolute power consumption, which is what > > you measure, has increased, given that the performance of the systems > > has increased as well. > > I

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > If you have tasks which require little CPU power (such as a DNS server) > > and the system is idle most of the time then comparing the idle power > > use is the most important thing. > > Uhm.. yes, its the "most important thing" for you to decide

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 21:09 +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > I think that would be a pity if Debian will not provide anymore a kernel > > > for this old cpus. > > > > Maybe you think it's a waste to replace old PCs, but in many cases it's > > a waste

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:29:01AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > People save power to save money, to save cooling, or to save the environment. > Right, but far from relevant when comparing old systems to new systems in terms of power saving. > Buying new hardware isn't the way to save money >

radeon problems

2011-11-21 Thread richard2
Hi In order to get Gnome-shell out of fallback, I've had to install the ati-driverinstaller from the ATI site. fglrx fails to build with the latest RT kernel, it does build with the latest standrd amd64 kernel. I'm now installing the snapshot from today. the graphical installer freezes at the ini

Re: radeon problems

2011-11-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 14:07 +, richard2 wrote: > Hi > In order to get Gnome-shell out of fallback, I've had to install the > ati-driverinstaller from the ATI site. fglrx fails to build with the > latest RT kernel, it does build with the latest standrd amd64 kernel. We don't support fglrx. T

Re: Appreciation

2011-11-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Michael Hall [2011.11.21.0100 +0100]: > > The Ubuntu community is holding a community appreciation day[1] > > today, and I wanted to extend that to the entire Debian community > > as well. > > Thanks. It's good to see that there are still

Re: Appreciation

2011-11-21 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Raphael Hertzog [2011.11.21.1606 +0100]: > That said I don't share your point of view, most of the new Ubuntu > contributors (at least those involved in packaging) There are still many old ones that think Ubuntu can do without Debian. Community "management" is not about writing webpag

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 07:48:30AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 01:58:53PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 08:48:08PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > Would it be worth adding a lintian check for instructions that may not > > > be supported (bearin

486 still being sold NEW / was Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread J.A. Bezemer
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 16:30 +0100, Kai Wasserbäch wrote: [..] Apart from that I wonder how many "embedded" x86 CPUs (instruction set < 586) are out there. Are they still sold in current products? As I said, Soekris still seems to have some for sale,

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:44:38PM +0100, Cesare Leonardi wrote: > These processors are about 15 years old but are still useful and usable > today and maybe still for Wheezy+1. Bear in mind that when wheezy+1 is released, wheezy will still be supported for some time. So the *actual* time that De

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-11-21, Jon Dowland wrote: > I think it would be a pity if Debian was held back to support such a tiny > minority of potential users. Why can't the others use amd64? In theory the audience of the i386 "port" would be non-64bit capable processors anyway. I know that this includes certain

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread jidanni
How does one do a simple test to see if one is on the death list? # grep -c 86 /proc/cpuinfo 0 # lshw | grep -c 86 0 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87

Re: 486 still being sold NEW / was Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 04:44:03PM +0100, J.A. Bezemer wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: > >On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 16:30 +0100, Kai Wasserbäch wrote: > [..] > >>Apart from that I wonder how many "embedded" x86 CPUs (instruction set < > >>586) > >>are out there. Are they still so

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 02:16:14AM +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: > How does one do a simple test to see if one is on the death list? There isn't one (yet). > # grep -c 86 /proc/cpuinfo > 0 > # lshw | grep -c 86 > 0 This should tell you if the processor supports Pentium features: grep '

Re: Is anyone using the Units program in a script?

2011-11-21 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, John Hasler wrote: > Ok, I;m sure someone is. If you're that someone are you using the > "--terse" option? If not how much hassle would it be to have add it? I am, and I'm not, but it's not a huge deal to add it. There probably are others, not sure how difficult it would be

Bug#649538: ITP: r-cran-int64 -- R package providing 64-bit integers

2011-11-21 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Package: wnpp Owner: Dirk Eddelbuettel Severity: wishlist * Package name: r-cran-int64 Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Romain Francois * URL or Web page : * License : GPL (>= 2) Description : R package providing 64-bit integers This is a new package (sponsored b

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Stephen Kitt
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 23:31:43 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 13:58 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 08:48:08PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > Would it be worth adding a lintian check for instructions that may not > > > be supported (bearing in mind th

Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

2011-11-21 Thread Ivan Shmakov
> Ben Hutchings writes: > On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 23:44 +0100, Cesare Leonardi wrote: […] >> While i might agree with the exclusion of 486 cpu classes (somewhere >> i have a Winchip C6 200 MHz but i consider it unusable except for >> very limited tasks), i think that excluding 586 could