Hi,
On Montag, 21. November 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> Maybe you think it's a waste to replace old PCs, but in many cases it's
> a waste of money to keep them running. Electricity isn't getting any
> cheaper and modern systems are much better at power-saving.
This is true, but not everywhere o
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > I think that would be a pity if Debian will not provide anymore a kernel
> > for this old cpus.
>
> Maybe you think it's a waste to replace old PCs, but in many cases it's
> a waste of money to keep them running. Electricity isn't getting any
> chea
also sprach Michael Hall [2011.11.21.0100 +0100]:
> The Ubuntu community is holding a community appreciation day[1]
> today, and I wanted to extend that to the entire Debian community
> as well.
Thanks. It's good to see that there are still people in the Ubuntu
community who have a grasp of the b
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Hi Russel,
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 09:09:58PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > I think that would be a pity if Debian will not provide anymore a kernel
> > > for this old cpus.
> >
> > Maybe you think it's a waste to replace old PCs, but in many case
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
> well, its obvious that the absolute power consumption, which is what
> you measure, has increased, given that the performance of the systems
> has increased as well.
If you are setting up a network of machines for bitcoin mining then it's most
li
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:30:22PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
> > well, its obvious that the absolute power consumption, which is what
> > you measure, has increased, given that the performance of the systems
> > has increased as well.
>
> I
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
> > If you have tasks which require little CPU power (such as a DNS server)
> > and the system is idle most of the time then comparing the idle power
> > use is the most important thing.
>
> Uhm.. yes, its the "most important thing" for you to decide
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 21:09 +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > I think that would be a pity if Debian will not provide anymore a kernel
> > > for this old cpus.
> >
> > Maybe you think it's a waste to replace old PCs, but in many cases it's
> > a waste
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:29:01AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
> People save power to save money, to save cooling, or to save the environment.
>
Right, but far from relevant when comparing old systems to new systems
in terms of power saving.
> Buying new hardware isn't the way to save money
>
Hi
In order to get Gnome-shell out of fallback, I've had to install the
ati-driverinstaller from the ATI site. fglrx fails to build with the
latest RT kernel, it does build with the latest standrd amd64 kernel.
I'm now installing the snapshot from today.
the graphical installer freezes at the ini
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 14:07 +, richard2 wrote:
> Hi
> In order to get Gnome-shell out of fallback, I've had to install the
> ati-driverinstaller from the ATI site. fglrx fails to build with the
> latest RT kernel, it does build with the latest standrd amd64 kernel.
We don't support fglrx. T
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Michael Hall [2011.11.21.0100 +0100]:
> > The Ubuntu community is holding a community appreciation day[1]
> > today, and I wanted to extend that to the entire Debian community
> > as well.
>
> Thanks. It's good to see that there are still
also sprach Raphael Hertzog [2011.11.21.1606 +0100]:
> That said I don't share your point of view, most of the new Ubuntu
> contributors (at least those involved in packaging)
There are still many old ones that think Ubuntu can do without
Debian. Community "management" is not about writing webpag
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 07:48:30AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 01:58:53PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 08:48:08PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > Would it be worth adding a lintian check for instructions that may not
> > > be supported (bearin
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 16:30 +0100, Kai Wasserbäch wrote:
[..]
Apart from that I wonder how many "embedded" x86 CPUs (instruction set < 586)
are out there. Are they still sold in current products?
As I said, Soekris still seems to have some for sale,
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:44:38PM +0100, Cesare Leonardi wrote:
> These processors are about 15 years old but are still useful and usable
> today and maybe still for Wheezy+1.
Bear in mind that when wheezy+1 is released, wheezy will still be supported for
some time. So the *actual* time that De
On 2011-11-21, Jon Dowland wrote:
> I think it would be a pity if Debian was held back to support such a tiny
> minority of potential users.
Why can't the others use amd64? In theory the audience of the i386
"port" would be non-64bit capable processors anyway. I know that this
includes certain
How does one do a simple test to see if one is on the death list?
# grep -c 86 /proc/cpuinfo
0
# lshw | grep -c 86
0
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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 04:44:03PM +0100, J.A. Bezemer wrote:
>
> On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> >On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 16:30 +0100, Kai Wasserbäch wrote:
> [..]
> >>Apart from that I wonder how many "embedded" x86 CPUs (instruction set <
> >>586)
> >>are out there. Are they still so
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 02:16:14AM +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> How does one do a simple test to see if one is on the death list?
There isn't one (yet).
> # grep -c 86 /proc/cpuinfo
> 0
> # lshw | grep -c 86
> 0
This should tell you if the processor supports Pentium features:
grep '
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, John Hasler wrote:
> Ok, I;m sure someone is. If you're that someone are you using the
> "--terse" option? If not how much hassle would it be to have add it?
I am, and I'm not, but it's not a huge deal to add it. There probably
are others, not sure how difficult it would be
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 23:31:43 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 13:58 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 08:48:08PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > Would it be worth adding a lintian check for instructions that may not
> > > be supported (bearing in mind th
> Ben Hutchings writes:
> On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 23:44 +0100, Cesare Leonardi wrote:
[…]
>> While i might agree with the exclusion of 486 cpu classes (somewhere
>> i have a Winchip C6 200 MHz but i consider it unusable except for
>> very limited tasks), i think that excluding 586 could
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