Re: Bug#391246: general: Buildds should consider changing $HOME

2006-10-11 Thread Frank Küster
Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 07:55:54AM +0200, Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Yes, that's the ideal solution. In the real world, my suggestion may >> improve the situation faster. >> >> Just got an other idea, slower too, but makes the "ideal so

Bug#392291: ITP: mooedit -- a useful programming and around-programming text editor

2006-10-11 Thread alex bodnaru
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: alex bodnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: mooedit Version : x.y.z Upstream Author : Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.example.org/ * License : (GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc.) Programming Lang: (C, C++, C#

Bug#391246: general: Buildds should consider changing $HOME

2006-10-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 07:40:42AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Of course the clean solution would be to signal to the tools not to look > and write into HOME, but it's hardly realistic to assume that all tools > used (an ever increasing and changing set) will always follow such a > rule. Therefor

Re: Bug#391246: general: Buildds should consider changing $HOME

2006-10-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 11 octobre 2006 à 08:20 +0200, Mike Hommey a écrit : > Something similar should be done with package installations... I hate > that my /root is cluttered with .gconf, .anthy, .gnome, .gnupg, .qt ... > while I never run that kind of software as root... As for .gconf, GConf schemas are n

Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)

2006-10-11 Thread Ionut Georgescu
On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 06:32:08PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2006-10-06 18:06:47, schrieb Mikhail Gusarov: > > Do aptitude checks terminal even for 'aptitude install' or 'aptitude > > search'? > > Good question! The two offending Servers use Monocrom-Graficcards. > Maybe aptitude can no

Re: Packages up for adoption

2006-10-11 Thread Alexis Sukrieh
* Steve Kemp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) : > I've recently orphaned all my packages whilst being on a > bit of hiatus from project work. [...] > Several packages are still unclaimed, although people have > offered on some of them. Please take a look at the list if > you're interested: [...] >*

Re: Call for votes for "GR: : Handling source-less firmware in the Linux kernel"

2006-10-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 06:52:41PM -0500, Debian Project Secretary wrote: > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > c2d43675-9efa-4809-a4aa-af042b62786e > [ ] Choice 1: Release Etch even with kernel firmware issues Manoj, you have again overstepped your Secre

Re: Debian GNU/Minix?

2006-10-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 10 octobre 2006 à 19:22 +0200, HXC a écrit : > I am wondering if it is possible to use the Minix kernel in Debian. If > so wouldn't that be an interesting project to release a Debian minix > version? (just like Debian BSD and Debian Hurd :-) ) A first thing to do, to see if this is poss

Bug#391246: general: Buildds should consider changing $HOME

2006-10-11 Thread Frank Küster
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:32:16AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: >> > >> > > However, I'd like to point out that this problem is not special to TeX. >> > > Many programs create ~/.progname directories wh

gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Gernot Salzer
Dear DDs & D-friends, what is the standard/canonical way of handling device permissions in Debian ("etch" in my case) on desktop PCs running a GUI? It seems that users have to be added to group "audio" in order to be able to access audio devices, group "video" to access video devices, "cdrom" to

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Sam Morris
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:08:27 +0200, Gernot Salzer wrote: > It seems that users have to be added to group "audio" > in order to be able to access audio devices, group "video" to access > video devices, "cdrom" to access cdrom, and so on. Or did I miss some > setting during installation of etch? >

Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)

2006-10-11 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006, Jan Kechel wrote: > Brian May wrote: > >> "Jan" == Jan Kechel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > Jan> I wrote a little perl-script: > > > > How does this compare with deborphan? > > > > deborphan shows you the 'leave' packages of your dependency-tree > > apt

Re: apt-findremovable v0.1 (initial release)

2006-10-11 Thread Jan Kechel
Peter Palfrader wrote: > Ever tried the simulate button in the orphaner frontend? I don't know > apt-findremovable's UI but I very much like orphaner's. But then I > might be just slightly biased. :) don't care about apt-findremovable anymore, debfoster does it's job much better :) > Peter Jan

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Gernot Salzer
> > Having to add users to particular groups is not reasonable in a > > desktop setting. There, one would like to have the current user > > at the console (logged in via gdm or similar) to be the one with > > exclusive rights on local devices (fixed ones like audio and video > > as well as variable

Bug#392315: ITP: datrie -- Double-array trie library

2006-10-11 Thread Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Theppitak Karoonboonyanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: datrie Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Theppitak Karoonboonyanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://libthai.sourceforg

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:12:20 +0200 Gernot Salzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't mechanisms like libpam_devperm grant exclusive access? > On login the ownership of the devices is set to the console user, > and only the owner is granted rwx-rights. On logout > ownership/permissions of the devic

Bug#391246: general: Buildds should consider changing $HOME

2006-10-11 Thread Frank Küster
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 07:40:42AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: >> Of course the clean solution would be to signal to the tools not to look >> and write into HOME, but it's hardly realistic to assume that all tools >> used (an ever increasing and changing

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Gernot Salzer
> First, there is no safe way to revoke privileges from a user. If a user > gets access to a certain group he/she can arrange ways to keep it, > even after being logged out (make a suid binary for example). I admit that I don't know much about the internals of Unix/Linux. So, if upon login of us

Bug#392333: ITP: irrtoolset -- IRRToolSet is a suite of policy analysis tools to operate with routing policies in RPSL [RFC 2622] format, registered in Internet Routing Registry(IRR).

2006-10-11 Thread Jan Wagner
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jan Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: irrtoolset Version : 4.8.4 Upstream Author : Joao Damas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/IRRToolSet/ * License : 3-clause BSD with non-commercial on

Re: anticipating the upstart migration

2006-10-11 Thread Matthias Julius
Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> - If you set up the alternatives in preinst, then there is a time when >> the symlink exists but the pointed binary hasn't been unpacked yet -> >> unbootable system. >> - If you set up the alternatives in postinst, there is a time when there >> is

Re: Bug#392333: ITP: irrtoolset -- IRRToolSet is a suite of policy analysis tools to operate with routing policies in RPSL [RFC 2622] format, registered in Internet Routing Registry(IRR).

2006-10-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 11, Jan Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Package name: irrtoolset Do you actually /use/ it? The precedent version used to reliably segfault when I tried to process non-trivial configurations. > The "Internet Routing Registry Toolset" (IRRToolSet) project is a new The package hist

support of aoe devices and aoetools package

2006-10-11 Thread Warren Turkal
Debian Developers, I hope this is the right forum to express this idea. I have not received any feedback from the maintainer of the aoetools package, so I wanted to voice my concerns over that package in front of a wider audience as I don't want to see the aoetools ship in the crappy form in wh

RE: Report debian-devel-digest

2006-10-11 Thread Adam Mertens
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Re: Making SELinux standard for etch

2006-10-11 Thread Mr Yan
Ian Jackson wrote: > Furthermore, the SELinux patches I have seen in various applications > have given me an extremely poor impression of the code quality[1]. > This will probably extend to other areas of SELinux. > > I say, ditch SELinux. > > Ian. > > [1] Here's just one example, from src/archi

Re: anticipating the upstart migration

2006-10-11 Thread Michael Biebl
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Mon, 09 Oct 2006, Gabor Gombas wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 10:53:39PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: >>> No wrappers for the single most critical binary in a Unix system after the >>> libc. Sorry. >> Right. How about upstart not providing a

Re: anticipating the upstart migration

2006-10-11 Thread Eric Dorland
* Matthias Julius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> - If you set up the alternatives in preinst, then there is a time when > >> the symlink exists but the pointed binary hasn't been unpacked yet -> > >> unbootable system. > >> - If you set up the alte

Re: anticipating the upstart migration

2006-10-11 Thread Matthias Julius
Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Matthias Julius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >> - If you set up the alternatives in preinst, then there is a time when >> >> the symlink exists but the pointed binary hasn't been unpacked yet -> >> >>

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Roland Mas
Sam Morris, 2006-10-11 13:40:08 +0200 : > I think HAL/PolicyTool/pam_foreground will eventually give us a > (slow?) solution to problems like this, but it's some way off at the > moment. Being able to add/revoke permissions with traditional > security methods (i.e. group membership) requires kerne

Returned mail: Data format error

2006-10-11 Thread spdej
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Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Daniel Schepler
On Wednesday 11 October 2006 14:12 pm, Gernot Salzer wrote: > Don't mechanisms like libpam_devperm grant exclusive access? > On login the ownership of the devices is set to the console user, > and only the owner is granted rwx-rights. On logout > ownership/permissions of the device revert to the ol

Critical news for lists.debian.org consumers

2006-10-11 Thread Robbie Jones
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Re: anticipating the upstart migration

2006-10-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 11, Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Having the "init" binary installed as /sbin/upstart and only diverting > the not so critical binaries seems to be the safest option indeed. I had to use many diverions in the module-init-tools package because there was no other acceptable solut

Re: Allowing @ in user names?

2006-10-11 Thread Florian Weimer
* Roberto C. Sanchez: > Then, I guess the relevant question has to do with whether or not > adduser (and the rest of the components that touch or use the username) > are RFC2822 compliant. Most certainly they are not. Embedded NUL characters are allowed in local-parts. I don't think this is a p

ppp: co-maintainer and urgent help needed

2006-10-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
I will not be able to spend much time on the ppp package before the release, so I am requesting help in triaging and fixing as many bugs as possible (the list is long, but let's only consider the ones opened this year) and uploading a new package ASAP. There is nothing actually *terrible* in the pa

Re: anticipating the upstart migration

2006-10-11 Thread Ian Jackson
Eric Dorland writes ("Re: anticipating the upstart migration"): > Shouldn't it be possible to move the alternatives around in an atomic > fashion? ln -sf bar foo.tmp ; mv foo.tmp foo . Or am I missing > something? This is in theory possible, I suppose. You would have to avoid update-alternatives

Re: Call for votes for "GR: : Handling source-less firmware in the Linux kernel"

2006-10-11 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So, given this poorly worded ballot, i suppose the vote will be void anyway, > and i strongly call for everyone to vote further discussion over the other > solutions. If people do not READ THE RESOLUTION, then they get what they deserve. -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: Non-free IETF RFC/I-Ds in source packages

2006-10-11 Thread Simon Josefsson
Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Simon Josefsson wrote: >> http://wiki.debian.org/NonFreeIETFDocuments > > A useful thing to add to that page would be simple instructions on how > those authoring IETF documents could make them available under a > DFSG-free licence (presumably in paral

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:31:37 +0200 Gernot Salzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > First, there is no safe way to revoke privileges from a user. If a user > > gets access to a certain group he/she can arrange ways to keep it, > > even after being logged out (make a suid binary for example). > > I

Removing obexserver (Re: RFA: obexserver -- Receive files with OBEX protocol)

2006-10-11 Thread Luca Capello
Hello! Taking this out of bug [1] and to d-d to have a more advice on the correct action to be taken (as per DevRef §5.9.2 [2]). On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:47:08 +0200, Michael Holzt wrote: >> Good idea, I talked with Eugeniy about that. Though, I guess the >> final decision is to the obexserver main

Request for virtual package ircd

2006-10-11 Thread Mario Iseli
Hello, as described in http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt I announce here my idea of the virtual package ircd. When I count correctly are at the moment 7 different IRC-daemons in Debian and they logically conflict with each other. So I would think an officia

Re: Call for votes for "GR: : Handling source-less firmware in the Linux kernel"

2006-10-11 Thread Ben Finney
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > So, given this poorly worded ballot, i suppose the vote will be > > void anyway, and i strongly call for everyone to vote further > > discussion over the other solutions. > > If people do not READ THE R

Re: Removing obexserver (Re: RFA: obexserver -- Receive files with OBEX protocol)

2006-10-11 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Donnerstag 12 Oktober 2006 00:06 schrieb Luca Capello: > As the maintainer agrees, we should ask for remotion of obexserver The bug for removal is already filed: #392447 > (and successively libopenobex-1.0-0, cc:ing its maintainer) We'll see if it goes automatically. It should as the source p

Re: anticipating the upstart migration

2006-10-11 Thread Eric Dorland
* Matthias Julius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > * Matthias Julius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> >> - If you set up the alternatives in preinst, then there is a time when > >> >> the symlink exists

Re: Removing obexserver (Re: RFA: obexserver -- Receive files with OBEX protocol)

2006-10-11 Thread Luca Capello
Hello! On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:21:03 +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > Am Donnerstag 12 Oktober 2006 00:06 schrieb Luca Capello: >> As the maintainer agrees, we should ask for remotion of obexserver > > The bug for removal is already filed: #392447 Oh, that's very good, I thought that a note would h

Re: Request for virtual package ircd

2006-10-11 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Donnerstag 12 Oktober 2006 00:10 schrieb Mario Iseli: > as described in > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt > I announce here my idea of the virtual package ircd. When I count > correctly are at the moment 7 different IRC-daemons in Debian and they > logi

Re: Request for virtual package ircd

2006-10-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Oct 12, Mario Iseli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > as described in > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt > I announce here my idea of the virtual package ircd. When I count > correctly are at the moment 7 different IRC-daemons in Debian and they > logically

Re: Bug#392315: ITP: datrie -- Double-array trie library

2006-10-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/11/06 03:02, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Theppitak Karoonboonyanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > * Package name: datrie > Version : 0.1.0 > Upstream Author : Theppitak Karoonboonyan

Re: Request for virtual package ircd

2006-10-11 Thread tony mancill
Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Oct 12, Mario Iseli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> as described in >> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt >> I announce here my idea of the virtual package ircd. When I count >> correctly are at the moment 7 different IRC-daemons in

Re: Removing obexserver (Re: RFA: obexserver -- Receive files with OBEX protocol)

2006-10-11 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Donnerstag 12 Oktober 2006 00:21 schrieb Hendrik Sattler: > > (and successively libopenobex-1.0-0, cc:ing its maintainer) > > We'll see if it goes automatically. It should as the source package does > not exist anymore. Well, it does still exist. If it does not go automatically, I'll file a new

Re: Call for votes for "GR: : Handling source-less firmware in the Linux kernel"

2006-10-11 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > If people do not READ THE RESOLUTION, then they get what they > > deserve. > > In a vote, those who do not read the resolution affect others who > do. This is one of the benefits of a discussion period --

Re: Request for virtual package ircd

2006-10-11 Thread Mario Iseli
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 12:38:03AM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > Wouldn't "relay-chat-server" or "relay-chat-daemon" be a better name. I think no, we also call it "httpd" and not "web-server" or "hypertext-transfer-protocol-server". > Only if they really work with _all_ of them, even new ones.

Re: Request for virtual package ircd

2006-10-11 Thread Michael Poole
Mario Iseli writes: > Hello, > > as described in > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt > I announce here my idea of the virtual package ircd. When I count > correctly are at the moment 7 different IRC-daemons in Debian and they > logically conflict with each

Re: Request for virtual package ircd

2006-10-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/11/06 17:50, tony mancill wrote: > Marco d'Itri wrote: >> On Oct 12, Mario Iseli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> as described in >>> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt >>> I announce here my idea of the v

Re: Request for virtual package ircd

2006-10-11 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/11/06 17:58, Mario Iseli wrote: > On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 12:38:03AM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: >> Wouldn't "relay-chat-server" or "relay-chat-daemon" be a better name. > > I think no, we also call it "httpd" and not "web-server" or > "hypert

Re: Making SELinux standard for etch

2006-10-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:20:05 +0100, Yan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Ian Jackson wrote: >> Furthermore, the SELinux patches I have seen in various >> applications have given me an extremely poor impression of the code >> quality[1]. This will probably extend to other areas of SELinux. >> >> I s

Re: delay of the full etch freeze

2006-10-11 Thread charles-debian-nospam
Le Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 06:58:55PM +0200, Andreas Barth a écrit : > > For these reasons, we are delaying the full archive freeze for a few days. > We haven't chosen a date yet, but you can still expect it to happen in > October or early November. Dear Andreas, May I suggest to delay the freeze a

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Roland Mas wrote: > Sam Morris, 2006-10-11 13:40:08 +0200 : > > > I think HAL/PolicyTool/pam_foreground will eventually give us a > > (slow?) solution to problems like this, but it's some way off at the > > moment. Being able to add/revoke permissions with traditional > > secu

Re: Request for virtual package ircd

2006-10-11 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 06:34:41PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > It's also possible to run multiple FTP servers, each listening on a > different port, but all the packaged ftp daemons "Conflicts: > ftp-server". That is bad, IMO. (and chance to raise my opinion about virtual packages ;) ) Conflicts

Re: Request for virtual package ircd

2006-10-11 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 12/10/06 at 00:10 +0200, Mario Iseli wrote: > Hello, > > as described in > http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/virtual-package-names-list.txt > I announce here my idea of the virtual package ircd. When I count > correctly are at the moment 7 different IRC-daemons in Debian and they > lo