Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main (was: Bug#353277: should be in contrib)

2006-02-19 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Michael Poole] > What's the purpose of an assembler without assembly code to use it > on? Despite Anthony's claim, I see no packages that can use nasm out > of the box If you hadn't already shot your credibility, you just did. Anthony listed a dozen or so packages in Debian which require nasm

Re: Bug#353193: ITP: sqlitemanager -- Multilingual web based tool to manage SQLite databases

2006-02-19 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Stefani Banerian] > * Package name: sqlitemanager > Version : x.y.z > Upstream Author : Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://www.example.org/ > * License : (GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT/X, etc.) The information content here is rather thin. signature.asc Descript

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:36:37PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:04:54PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow > > The availability to do this is enough even if there are other > > (possibly better) ways to do the same. One free driver _in_ Debian and > > the package should stay in m

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 11:11:32AM +0100, Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:36:37PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:04:54PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow > > > The availability to do this is enough even if there are other > > > (possibly b

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:17:11PM +, Brett Parker wrote: > On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:36:37PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:04:54PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow > > > The availability to do this is enough even if there are other > > > (possibly better) ways to do the

Re: Bug#353381: ITP: freebsd-manpages -- Manual pages for a GNU/kFreeBSD system

2006-02-19 Thread Florian Weimer
* Russ Allbery: > Your points about sync(8) and tzselect(8) seem reasonable on the surface, > but the rest of this seems to be disregarding the fact that manpages and > manpages-dev are not native packages. Those man pages are included in > that package because they're maintained together upstrea

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 19, Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nevertheless, if you think abiword and openoffice.org should be moved then go > for it. Just don't use them as excuse to turn warez wrappers into "generic" > driver interfaces. No excuses are needed, the definition of contrib is enough and ndi

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main (was: Bug#353277: should be in contrib)

2006-02-19 Thread Daniel Stone
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 06:12:36PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > la, 2006-02-18 kello 10:43 -0500, Michael Poole kirjoitti: > > What's the purpose of an assembler without assembly code to use it on? > > It can be used, for example, to assemble code you write yourself. That > is, after all, the pr

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 19 février 2006 à 11:22 +0100, Mike Hommey a écrit : > > You're turning this into non-sense. An NDIS wrapper is OBVIOUSLY for the > > exclussive purpose of using non-free Windows drivers. It is so obvious > > because nobody has written [1] free GPLed NDIS drivers. EVER. It has > >

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 19 février 2006 à 11:07 +0100, Mike Hommey a écrit : > Interestingly, I have some .doc files on my system, none of which appear > to be MSWord files. They are *all* plain text. > > So I did some research with apt-file, looking up for files with names > ending with .doc or .doc.gz (just

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Mike Hommey [Sun, Feb 19 2006, 11:07:33AM]: > I checked all these 141 packages (see attachment). > There are 12 MSWord files out of 1022 .doc/.doc.gz files. HOW LAME! A 70kB message with 0.0001 percent of usefull content is not enough to impress debian-devel readers. Next time send a

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Thomas Bushnell BSG [Sat, Feb 18 2006, 05:18:37PM]: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > > > On Feb 19, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I wonder why all people go on trying to build up tons of different > >> fallacious reasonings to keep firmwares in main.

Thomas Dickey, your mail is bouncing...

2006-02-19 Thread Richard Kettlewell
Hopefuly someone helpful person on debian-devel has another means to contact him, if he doesn't know already? ttfn/rjk Mail Delivery System writes: > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 11:51:51AM +0100, Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > #include > * Mike Hommey [Sun, Feb 19 2006, 11:07:33AM]: > > > I checked all these 141 packages (see attachment). > > There are 12 MSWord files out of 1022 .doc/.doc.gz files. > > HOW LAME! A 70kB message with 0

Re: Bug#353381: ITP: freebsd-manpages -- Manual pages for a GNU/kFreeBSD system

2006-02-19 Thread David Weinehall
On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 11:26:57AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Russ Allbery: > > > Your points about sync(8) and tzselect(8) seem reasonable on the surface, > > but the rest of this seems to be disregarding the fact that manpages and > > manpages-dev are not native packages. Those man pages

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 19, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Indeed. It has with the fact there is no reasonable use of ndiswrapper > that doesn't imply installing (and running) non-free software on the > host machine. The key here is "reasonable". This is a practical case, > not something to build up

ITP: wormsofprey -- Worms like multiplayer, realtime game

2006-02-19 Thread Oya
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist * Package name    : wormsofprey  Version         : 0.4.1  Upstream Author : Uwe Fabricius, Christoph Freundl, Thomas Pohl * URL             : http://www.wormsofprey.org * License         : GNU GPL2  Description     : Worm

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main (was: Bug#353277: should be in contrib)

2006-02-19 Thread Michael Poole
Peter Samuelson writes: > [Michael Poole] > > What's the purpose of an assembler without assembly code to use it > > on? Despite Anthony's claim, I see no packages that can use nasm out > > of the box > > If you hadn't already shot your credibility, you just did. Anthony > listed a dozen or so

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main (was: Bug#353277: should be in contrib)

2006-02-19 Thread Michael Poole
Josselin Mouette writes: > Le samedi 18 février 2006 à 21:32 -0500, Michael Poole a écrit : > > > I wonder why all people go on trying to build up tons of different > > > fallacious reasonings to keep firmwares in main. Non-free is here for a > > > reason, we just have to use it. Technical solutio

Re: Thomas Dickey, your mail is bouncing...

2006-02-19 Thread Atsuhito Kohda
From: Richard Kettlewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Thomas Dickey, your mail is bouncing... Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:34:13 + > Hopefuly someone helpful person on debian-devel has another means to > contact him, if he doesn't know already? I contacted him with an address of radix.net and an

Re: Thomas Dickey, your mail is bouncing...

2006-02-19 Thread Atsuhito Kohda
From: Atsuhito Kohda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Thomas Dickey, your mail is bouncing... Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:50:35 +0900 (JST) > and I got a reply from him. It seemed he got the mail cited Sorry, this was my misunderstanding, perhaps it seemed he got an email from me on radix.net too.

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main (was: Bug#353277: should be in contrib)

2006-02-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 19 février 2006 à 08:46 -0500, Michael Poole a écrit : > > Please stop these lies. I repeat: technical solutions do exist. For > > hardware unnecessary at installation's first stage, it is only a matter > > of making non-free available. For hardware necessary for the first > > stage, it

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main (was: Bug#353277: should be in contrib)

2006-02-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 19 février 2006 à 08:40 -0500, Michael Poole a écrit : > > If you hadn't already shot your credibility, you just did. Anthony > > listed a dozen or so packages in Debian which require nasm in order to > > build. How can you "see no packages" when he gave you an explicit list > > of th

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Thomas Bushnell BSG said: > We already had a GR on this, and rejected a second GR to reverse the > first. Now is the time for you to graciously decide that you have > been outvoted. Please stop pretending that the second GR reaffirmed the first. The option to reaffir

Processed: Yet another /usr/doc bug

2006-02-19 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > block 322762 by 353569 Bug#322762: /usr/doc still exists (transition tracking bug) Was blocked by: 189856 190020 203278 254800 254913 254924 254930 255590 256250 302504 319726 320084 320103 321926 322749 322769 322772 322775 322776 322778 322779 32278

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main (was: Bug#353277: should be in contrib)

2006-02-19 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 02:11:30AM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote: > No, the point of Java is to allow users to run Java software, which > they may or may not have written themselves, and which may or may not > be free software. Examples of all permutations of the above are really > easy to find. C

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Andres Salomon
On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 11:34 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 19, Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Nevertheless, if you think abiword and openoffice.org should be moved then > > go > > for it. Just don't use them as excuse to turn warez wrappers into "generic" > > driver interfac

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main (was: Bug#353277: should be in contrib)

2006-02-19 Thread Michael Poole
Josselin Mouette writes: > Le dimanche 19 février 2006 à 08:46 -0500, Michael Poole a écrit : > > > Please stop these lies. I repeat: technical solutions do exist. For > > > hardware unnecessary at installation's first stage, it is only a matter > > > of making non-free available. For hardware nec

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main (was: Bug#353277: should be in contrib)

2006-02-19 Thread Michael Poole
Josselin Mouette writes: > Le dimanche 19 février 2006 à 08:40 -0500, Michael Poole a écrit : > > > If you hadn't already shot your credibility, you just did. Anthony > > > listed a dozen or so packages in Debian which require nasm in order to > > > build. How can you "see no packages" when he g

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Exactly what is the "technical solution" for installing drivers for > firmware-requiring hardware if you only have Debian proper (i.e. main) > available? That is the situation I described, and I really do not see > any technical solution for it, no matt

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In other words, exactly as I said: if the user only has Debian, the > hardware will not be usable. Right. Debian does not support any hardware for which we don't have a free driver. Is this news? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Me just doesn't get the rationale behind differing between firmware > in a PROM and firmware that the driver loads into the > hardware. There is none. If the firmware is non-free, then we shouldn't distribute either. Exactly right: we should treat bot

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:04:54PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow >> The availability to do this is enough even if there are other >> (possibly better) ways to do the same. One free driver _in_ Debian and >> the package should stay in main. >> >> But does th

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 11:42:55PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 05:04:54PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow > >> The availability to do this is enough even if there are other > >> (possibly better) ways to do the same. One fr

Re: Pre-Depends for Xorg 7.0

2006-02-19 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 07:32:33AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 12:48:24AM -0500, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Right. The everything that you'd expect to go in to /usr/bin and /usr/lib > > will install there, at least as far as Xorg goes. An example of that

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main

2006-02-19 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 05:54:59PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > it seems that even before the SC, folks had different catagories for Sorry, that should be: ...even before the GR to change the SC, Cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Univers

Re: Accepted ibm-3270 3.3.4p6-1 (source all i386)

2006-02-19 Thread Richard A Nelson
Not only did you hijack these packages, and without *ANY* communication, you missed tcl3270, ICU builds (for the non-US folk)... Have you dealt with anyone on the issues, or do you even know what they are ? On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, Bastian Blank wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:12:39 -0800 From:

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main (was: Bug#353277: should be in contrib)

2006-02-19 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 01:42:38PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 12:49:48PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:40:26AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > > > I'll ask again: Is the purpose of ndiswrapper running non-free > > > drivers? If it isn't, sho

Re: Accepted ibm-3270 3.3.4p6-1 (source all i386)

2006-02-19 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10571 March 1977, Richard A. Nelson wrote: > Not only did you hijack these packages, and without *ANY* communication, > you missed tcl3270, ICU builds (for the non-US folk)... You know that this package set was removed since march, so you cant say much against him bringing it back? -- bye J

Problems found by piuparts

2006-02-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
In the past six months, I've filed about 260 bug reports based on what piuparts has found. About 40% of those have been fixed so far. Below is a summary of the common problems, hopefully the list will help everyone to find and especially avoid problems in their own packages. * The most com

TrueType fonts packages maintenance team proposal

2006-02-19 Thread Christian Perrier
Preamble The maintenance of fonts, at least TTF fonts, is currently splitted out among many maintainers in the project, while the problems faced by TTF font package maintainers are nearly always the same. From my own recent experience of helping/sponsoring/taking over a few font packages

Re: Bug#353277: ndiswrapper in main (was: Bug#353277: should be in contrib)

2006-02-19 Thread Anthony Towns
Bug cc dropped. On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 03:14:40AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Wine is something that was written to make the use of Windows binary > software possible on Linux. Yes, and there's plenty of useful, free software compiled as Windows binaries. Some of which is only available as

Re: TrueType fonts packages maintenance team proposal

2006-02-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2006-02-20 at 07:40 +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > So, please follow up in -devel to show interest, criticism, laughs > and the like. As maintainer (non-DD) of the following two fonts, I think this is a great idea. > ttf-khmeros - KhmerOS Unicode fonts for the Khmer language of Cambod

Re: Problems found by piuparts

2006-02-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 08:24:53AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > * Use of ucf in postrm during a purge, without checking that ucf > is installed. Since ucf is not an essential package, postrm > during purge cannot rely on it. As it happens, I think it might > be goo