On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 06:37:57PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > You are of course assuming that there is some way of making an absolute
> > determination as to the DFSG-compliance of a license, when there is not.
>
> No, I'm not. I'm saying
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 07:34:22AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> "Properly" is a bad word to use in this context, since the configuration
> in question seems to result in a potential security problem. From the
> xfree86-driver-synaptics README.Debian file:
...
Good point. Here is revised co
On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 06:37:57PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > The vote is not a means of rescinding the DFSG or SC, nor even of
> > contradicting them. It is the *only* means we have of determining
> > whether something is in compliance with them. If a majority say that
> > that is the
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 07:58:52PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> This really just isn't a problem that needs fixing. Once in a while, you get
> confused or desperate people on d-legal trying to argue "we allow license
> texts to be unmodifiable, so this invariant ode to my cat should be allowed,
>
> Description: configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver of X server
> GSynaptics is a configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver
> of X server. This enables you to modify driver parameters on the fly
> through GUI interface using "synclient" program as its backend.
> .
> SECURIT
Ian Jackson wrote:
> David N. Welton writes ("Tcl in Debian - volunteers needed"):
>
>>Apparently some of the packages I maintain were removed from Debian's
>>testing distribution this evening: rivet, tcldom, tclxml and tclsoap,
>>because of open bugs against them that I haven't found the time to
Henning Glawe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 07:58:52PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
>> This really just isn't a problem that needs fixing. Once in a while, you get
>> confused or desperate people on d-legal trying to argue "we allow license
>> texts to be unmodifiable, so t
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 10:52:01AM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
> Henning Glawe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 07:58:52PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> >> This really just isn't a problem that needs fixing. Once in a while, you
> >> get
> >> confused or desperate people o
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I'm glad you enjoyed. It was a great fun. But, you know, since I'm not
>> subscribed to -legal, I had to find another way. There was a choice between
>> simply closing the silly bug, or playing a bit with extremists for free (as
>> beer!!!)
>
> Yeah
On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 03:21:57PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote:
> The vote is not a means of rescinding the DFSG or SC, nor even of
> contradicting them. It is the *only* means we have of determining
> whether something is in compliance with them. If a majority say that
> that is the case, then for
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Prior to GFDL, GNU Manuals used to have the same kinds of restrictions
>> like invariant sections but noone has ever battled for moving them
>> to non-free. Then came GFDL and people suddenly decided
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> That was a 3:1 majority out of 200 voters, considering that Debian
>> counts almost 1000 developers and considering that many pros are
>> convinced they have been deceived.
>
> Who, please?
Me, at lea
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Not all pros in this GR are what I call extremists. I suspect some of them
>> did not expect the consequences of modifying the SC that way. After all,
>> weren't they editorial changes?
>
> Ah. I didn't understand earlier that you meant you felt dec
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 10:50:19AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> > Description: configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver of X server
> > GSynaptics is a configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver
> > of X server. This enables you to modify driver parameters on the fly
> >
> Now, my control contains following only:
> -
> GSynaptics is a configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver
> of X server. This enables you to modify driver parameters on the fly
> through GUI interface using "synclient" program as its backend.
> --
Let's nitpick a little:
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On 10 Feb 2006, Anthony Towns told this:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 08:08:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
>> Anthony Towns writes:
>>> That view, namely "other people may propose ballots that aren't
>>> good enough, and it's my job to stop that", is precisely a
>>> supervisory one.
>> Often
Hi,
* Jari Aalto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-02-11 15:08]:
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>
> * Package name: wmfrog
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> Upstream Author : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * URL : http://www.colar.net/wmapps/
> * License
* Christian Perrier wrote:
> Let's nitpick a little:
Well, especially when nitpicking, you should be sure of what you are
writing ;-)
> This allow for modifications of the driver
s/allow/allows/
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I had a second thought so I need your help again.
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 02:29:10PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> > Now, my control contains following only:
> > -
> > GSynaptics is a configuration tool for Synaptics touchpad driver
> > of X server. This enables you to modify driver p
Oops. I think I was careless.
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 11:18:04PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> I had a second thought so I need your help again.
> > GSynaptics is a configuration tool for the Synaptics touchpad driver
> > of the X server. This allow for modifications of the driver
> s/allow/allows/
On 9 Feb 2006, Marco d'Itri told this:
> On Feb 10, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Surely it does. People who say "I was deceived; and I didn't
>> bother to take elementary steps to avoid deception" have chosen to
>> be deceived.
> Well, at least now you agree that the GR tit
On 10 Feb 2006, Anthony Towns outgrape:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 08:34:53PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On 8 Feb 2006, Anthony Towns stated:
>>> Personally, I hope and trust that the developer body are
>>> honourable enough to note vote for a proposal they think
>>> contradicts the social c
On 9 Feb 2006, Marco d'Itri spake thusly:
>On Feb 09, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Moreover, while I think a majority of the developers are surely
>> honorable, this is not true of everyone. Now that this is the *third*
>> time we are being asked to vote on essentially the sa
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 11:38:03PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> Oops. I think I was careless.
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 11:18:04PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > I had a second thought so I need your help again.
> > > GSynaptics is a configuration tool for the Synaptics touchpad driver
> > > of the
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>On 9 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant spake thusly:
The only people it made happy are extremists.
>
> Oh, so I am extremist now. By believing that all bits
> modifiable by the computer are software? And the overwhelming
Yes, I think it is an
Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Certainly looks like you think that there is some absolute way to
> determine that the license is not DFSG-compliant to me. If there
> isn't, then the "if" in the first part of your sentence is never
> satisfied, and the rest is completely hypothetical.
Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Would you please tell me how necessary it is to modify RMS essays, the
> GNU Manifesto, and so on, and how removing them from Emacs will make
> Debian more free? I'm afraid it sounds ideological.
Actually, I'd rather we could keep them.
And we do have
Henning Glawe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> a 'patch' in the first run is also an extension to the original source;
> only an interpreter (in most cases, /usr/bin/patch) makes a 'change' from it.
Right, but the point is that the binary does not include the relevant
bits at all. By contrast, the
Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Debian was mostly unaware of the existence of these invariant
>> sections, and the problem had not been greatly discussed.
>
> Do you mean people never read licenses before?
I do not know of any evidence that people were aware of the invariant
section
Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> That was a 3:1 majority out of 200 voters, considering that Debian
>>> counts almost 1000 developers and considering that many pros are
>>> convinced th
Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> For instance, how does shipping Emacs with verbatim essays from RMS, the GNU
> Manifesto, and any other stuffs like that makes it non-free? Will removing
> them make Debian more free? I doubt anyone is going to convince me of this,
> despite the interp
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 09:52:26AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > a 'patch' in the first run is also an extension to the original source;
> > only an interpreter (in most cases, /usr/bin/patch) makes a 'change' from
> > it.
>
> Right, but the point is that the binary does not include the r
On 11 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant outgrape:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
On 9 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant spake thusly:
> The only people it made happy are extremists.
>>
>> Oh, so I am extremist now. By believing that all bits
>> modifiable by the computer are software? And
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No, because I thought that they (and the GFDL) passed the DFSG. Why
> would I "speak up" about a license that, at the time, I thought passed
> the DFSG?
>
> I changed my mind after I was convinced by the arguments of other
> people. You know, li
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> For instance, how does shipping Emacs with verbatim essays from RMS, the GNU
>> Manifesto, and any other stuffs like that makes it non-free? Will removing
>> them make Debian more free? I doubt anyon
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Would you please tell me how necessary it is to modify RMS essays, the
>> GNU Manifesto, and so on, and how removing them from Emacs will make
>> Debian more free? I'm afraid it sounds ideological.
>
Henning Glawe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 09:52:26AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
>> > a 'patch' in the first run is also an extension to the original source;
>> > only an interpreter (in most cases, /usr/bin/patch) makes a 'change' from
>> > it.
>>
>> Right, but t
Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>> No, because I thought that they (and the GFDL) passed the DFSG. Why
>> would I "speak up" about a license that, at the time, I thought passed
>> the DFSG?
>>
>> I changed my mind after I was convinc
This belongs somewhere else. Directing followups to -project.
Glenn Maynard wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 02:31:43AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > Incidentally, if I ever become a DD, I will immediately propose a GR to
> > amend the Social Contract to explicitly allow unmodifiable licens
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Why "rather than"? I'd say "before" instead.
>
> I know. You think it's fine to shut your ears, call people idiots,
> fundamentalists, and complain about voting procedures. I disagree.
They are not idiots and voting procedures conform our cur
I'm trying to package up tex2page and noticed that there is no virtual
package for scheme-interpreter. I would like to specify in the
"Depends:" that some sort of scheme-interpreter is required instead of
having to list each of them individually.
Any thoughts on this suggestion?
--
Chad Walstrom
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 11 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant outgrape:
>
>> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
> On 9 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant spake thusly:
>> The only people it made happy are extremists.
>>>
>>> Oh, so I am extremist now. By believing that al
* Chad Walstrom:
> I'm trying to package up tex2page and noticed that there is no virtual
> package for scheme-interpreter. I would like to specify in the
> "Depends:" that some sort of scheme-interpreter is required instead of
> having to list each of them individually.
>
> Any thoughts on this
We could use some advice and help with the GnuTLS / libasn1 update
that would fix the vulnerabilities reported recently.
The fix for libasn1 adds arguments to exported function. However,
these functions are named _asn_* and should not be used outside of
this library.
Unfortunately GnuTLS is doin
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* Chad Walstrom:
I'm trying to package up tex2page and noticed that there is no virtual
package for scheme-interpreter. I would like to specify in the
"Depends:" that some sort of scheme-interpreter is required inst
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 06:19:28AM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 03:21:57PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote:
> > The vote is not a means of rescinding the DFSG or SC, nor even of
> > contradicting them. It is the *only* means we have of determining
> > whether something is in com
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 10:07:23AM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote:
> On the contrary, it makes perfect sense. If it makes part of the
> constitution look silly or pointless to you, then there are at least
> two other possible sources of that silliness.
I think this circling argument is silly, not the
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:23:10 +0100, Henning Glawe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> just one thought: we have programs in main, where derived works are
> only allowed as original source+patches (TeX comes to my mind...)
> couldn't it be basically the same thing with GFDL documents? if there
> is an inva
On 2/10/06, Anthony Towns wrote:
> I didn't say anything about the ballot options being ignored -- I said the
> constitution doesn't say anything about ignoring foundation documents --
> ie the social contract or the DFSG. We're actually doing that right now
> in a sense, by continuing to leave bu
On 2/11/06, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 03:21:57PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote:
> > The vote is not a means of rescinding the DFSG or SC, nor even of
> > contradicting them. It is the *only* means we have of determining
> > whether something is in compliance wi
On 2/10/06, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Personally, I'd rather the secretarial role be as automatic as possible,
> even to the point where votes would be run without any human intervention.
> I've thought about that before, but I don't have the inclination to
> write any code for it.
I don't know what
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 07:21:22PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> > This is silly. It seems like the constitution effectively says "if the
> > resolution passes it required a simple majority; if it failed, it needed
> > 3:1".
>
> The only silliness is the verb tenses. Once some concept passes
> su
Hi,
Raul Miller schrieb:
>>This is silly. It seems like the constitution effectively says "if the
>>resolution passes it required a simple majority; if it failed, it needed 3:1".
> The only silliness is the verb tenses. Once some concept passes
> supermajority it doesn't need to pass again, be
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 01:23:03PM +0100, J??r??me Marant wrote:
> For instance, how does shipping Emacs with verbatim essays from RMS, the GNU
> Manifesto, and any other stuffs like that makes it non-free? Will removing
> them make Debian more free? I doubt anyone is going to convince me of this
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Hi,
> > Jörg Sommer wrote:
> > > # prep-deb-files from module-assistant creates the neccessary debian/
> > > files
> > > -kdist_config: prep-deb-files
> > > +kdist_config: prep-deb-files patch-stamp
> >
> > Not needed. The patches are in -source already pre-applied.
> >
> > > + -$(MAKE) -f de
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