On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:34:10 -0500, Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 11:11, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> That is but one optimization: we already are suffering from archive
>> bloat, what about the disk and bandwidth cost of carrying around
>> the sigs? And sin
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:12, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 04:37, Jakob Lell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > maybe Adamantix is what you are wanting to do. It is based on Debian
> > woody
>
> Adamantix in now what we want to do, what we want to do is to improve
> Debian.
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:50:19 +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> said:
> Well, there are not really sides here. But again:
> - I want md5sums to be stored in the local filesystem, I don't
> really care
> if they are inside the debs or not, as long as it's standard
> proce
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:22:07 +0100, Tore Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> * Marc Haber
>> Splitting up the config file in small files was necessary to do
>> debconf support, which is a Debian requirement.
> Debconf support is now required? I'm flabbergasted. Could you
> please point me
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:36:16 +0100, Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Before we make such a push, we should at least ensure that it is
>> something we really want to do. I think locally generated checksums
>> are a better solution.
> To me, the main use of md5
Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:57:53PM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
>> > Some or all of: twm, pdmenu, blackbox, afterstep, fluxbox, gtk-menu,
>> > wmaker, fvwm2, enlightenment, etc, consult /etc/menu-methods for more.
>> > There are dozens of programs that use the
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:30:12 +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> said:
> Why do we have to make each of our users find a solution to generate
> this from a _local_ mirror (or the system's .deb archive which
> shoulnd't be trusted in the event of an intrusion) when we could d
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:45:41 -0800, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Let me start by saying I basically understand your last point: it's
> not worth it because it won't work.
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:01:42AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> who follow secire processes. Blowing 40k collective
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On 2003-12-05 21:02, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:53:11PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > The nearest I have seen is fink, but I know little about it.
> >
> > Am I missing something?
>
> apt-src, apparently.
take a look at apt-bui
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:09:56 -0600, Chad Walstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:08:41AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> > ... It only stands to reason that if both the KDE and Gnome
>> > desktop camps wish to formalize on the format that we should
>> > adopt it as well,
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On 2003-12-05 16:36, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 03:20:45AM -0600, cobaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > _ideally_ there are no changes. In practice there will be.
>
> Why?
because it takes time to change things in Debian, example:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:35, Andrew Pollock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:08:53PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
> > > I presume I can lower the dependencies on things like modutils and
> > > whatnot down to the versions that are in stable with no ill-effects?
> >
> > It only de
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:48:28 -0500, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
[I whole heartedly agree with Joey here. I am just adding a few
remarks]
> No, you're going about this backwards. Get the code written. Get the
> policy for Debian menu layout using .desktop files written. Make
> sure that
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [031206 08:10]:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:46:30PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:43:39 +1000, Anthony Towns
> > wrote:
> > >The one that gets installed later, Pre-Deps the one that gets installed
> > >earlier. exim4-daemon Pre-Depends
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 05:11:50PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:35, Andrew Pollock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:08:53PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
> > > > I presume I can lower the dependencies on things like modutils and
> > > > whatnot down to
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 04:37, Jakob Lell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> maybe Adamantix is what you are wanting to do. It is based on Debian woody
Adamantix in now what we want to do, what we want to do is to improve Debian.
> create installation CDs yourselve. For more information about Adamantix,
> s
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:46:30PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:43:39 +1000, Anthony Towns
> wrote:
> >The one that gets installed later, Pre-Deps the one that gets installed
> >earlier. exim4-daemon Pre-Depends: exim4-config; exim4-config Depends:
> >exim4-base, probably.
> Un
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On 2003-12-05 13:01, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, cobaco wrote:
> > On 2003-12-05 11:16, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > > their fine work. I really love what they do and SkoleLinux is one of
> > > the most impressive derivatives of Debian, but
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:52:19AM -0800, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> autoconf_2.58-9_i386.changes has bad PGP/GnuPG signature!
> Removing autoconf_2.58-9_i386.changes, but keeping its associated files for
> now.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Your Debian queue daemon
This problem should be fixed.
> After t
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 10:05:57AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
| Sure. However, I use WindowMaker since several years now, and apart
| from bug fixes, I did not notice real changes over years (the
| changelog does not speak otherwise, it's almost only about bugs and
| i18n updates).
|
| About black
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On 2003-12-05 17:10, Tom wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:36:20AM -0400, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> > Then that discussion needs to be resolved so that a solution can be made
> > that is in Debian main.
>
> It's useful to try to clarify the terms so peo
Cameron Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 10:05:57AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
>
> | Sure. However, I use WindowMaker since several years now, and apart
> | from bug fixes, I did not notice real changes over years (the
> | changelog does not speak otherwise, it's almost o
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:51:23AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
> Drop the imperatives, and we shall get along a lot better.
> Better still, roll up your sleeves and make it happen, and
> you'll earn my respect, and my support.
How about "fuck up again and watch your good thing go awa
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 11:25:31AM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
| > What's your point? The window managers don't /need/ to be changed - or
| > at least they shouldn't. They don't natively support Debian's menu
| > system, they don't natively support .desktop files, and are unlikely to
| > ever do e
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 10:07:14AM -0500, Fraser Campbell wrote:
> > I've just learnt of Cubit from South Africa: http://www.cubit.co.za/
> Is it free software? They don't seem to provide a link to the full text of
> their license, it sounds free according to their license summary but I also
>
Scripsit Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> If a package is compromised we can proof that the DD of the package
> either is malicious or incompetent.
Say, we just had a major compromise on certain Debian machines. Pray
tell, who do you think this proves is malicious or incompetent? We'd
c
* Tore Anderson
| * Marc Haber
|
| > The way -config does the configuration is something that is questioned
| > by a lot of people. Most conservative eximists hate the configuration
| > being split out in several files,
|
| Absolutely, this is a slight convenience for the packagers which c
* Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031206 05:12]:
> > But false negatives cause work. Why do you want to cause false
> > negatives?
>
> Its not causing it. Its not preventing them anymore than the current
> list.
Huh? I gave multiple examples where the current solution works
correctly, b
Hi,
we had a discussion about signed deb-files. One major drawback was the
incompatibility between apt-utils and debsigs. I updated debsigs to
create a compatible version; this is apt-able at
deb http://debsign.turmzimmer.net/ ./
deb-src http://debsign.turmzimmer.net/ ./
(and of course also sent t
* Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031206 13:25]:
> Scripsit Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > If a package is compromised we can proof that the DD of the package
> > either is malicious or incompetent.
> Say, we just had a major compromise on certain Debian machines. Pray
> tell,
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:00:05PM +0100, cobaco wrote:
> -> if you don't allow temporary solutions while low priority debconf
> question get included, than there currently are no CDD's as
> custom configuration is necessary to support a CDD's target group
> out-of-the-box.
Thi
Hi aj, hi all others,
On 2003-12-01 14:45 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Another possibility is to just drop packages that aren't maintained well
> enough. While this is somewhat attractive, it doesn't really serve our
> users any better than saying "Why don't we just lower our standards?"
Basical
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: fnfx
Version : 0.2
Upstream Author : Timo Hoenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://fnfx.sf.net
* License : GPL
Description : daemon to use the special keys of Toshiba laptop keyboard
It enables owners of
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:48:21PM -0800, Eric Wong wrote:
> apt-fu src-dist-upgrade
Excellent work! *This* is what I have been searching for. Plus, it
seems to actually work! :-)
I have one feature request: I'd like to have an option so that I can ask
it to rebuild arch-indep packages just lik
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 03:01:20PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote:
> On 2003-12-01 14:45 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Another possibility is to just drop packages that aren't maintained well
> > enough. While this is somewhat attractive, it doesn't really serve our
> > users any better than saying "Wh
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 10:34:45AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > Seriously, I think you need to reconsider having the configuration in
> > a separate package.
> > What're you trying to achieve exactly?
> Allowing for different configuration mechanismn. And I (as a user of
> exim4) like that very
Hi,
I'm having trouble verifying release.gpg for Unstable. Has the release key
been changed to 30B34DD5, am I doing something wrong or what's up?
After apt-secure failed to "apt-get update" today...
Err http://ftp.fi.debian.org unstable Release
The following signatures couldn't be verifie
> I'm having trouble verifying release.gpg for Unstable. Has the release key
> been changed to 30B34DD5
Ah, so it has. I just found the announcement which had been filtered to a
wrong mail folder by accident. Sorry.
- Jarno
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First: There is now a version of debsigs that creats debs that the
apt-utils could cope with, see http://debsigs.turmzimmer.net/ (I tried
it with the unmodified apt-utils of woody).
* Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031202 04:55]:
> I agree with you that every instance along the way to t
Cameron Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
[...]
> A standard like .desktop or the Debian menu system we have now /is/ a
> good thing; we also need a way to make those menu hierarchies available
> to applications which cannot and will not read them directly (hence the
> "weird formats" that I men
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> apt-fu installs binary packages of build-depends first to avoid circular
>> build-dependencies, and then builds and installs the build-depends from
>> source if -R is specified. It's a nasty problem but you can't have the
>> chicken without the egg, nor
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 02:35:16 -0800, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:51:23AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>
>> Drop the imperatives, and we shall get along a lot better. Better
>> still, roll up your sleeves and make it happen, and you'll earn my
>> respect, and my s
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 11:13:05AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> And then again I question your judgement. What, pray, is this
> good thing that is going to go away?
"Hey hey I saved the world today
Everybody*s happy now
The bad things gone away
And everybody*s happy now
The good thing*
ObPrivate
On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 17:22, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> * Matt Flax ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031206 17:30]:
> > I have now completed a rough song outline for Debain 2003.
>
> is there a reason for this to be *private*?
>
It's probably very rude or something, I'm all for it :-)
Scott
--
H
On 20031206T085705-0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> Yeah, I have found some of those circular build-deps. I believe they
> should be considered serious bugs if they aren't already. That's just
> wrong.
There are several good reasons for circular build-time dependencies.
For example, every self-hostin
"Bernhard R. Link" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031206 05:12]:
> > > But false negatives cause work. Why do you want to cause false
> > > negatives?
> >
> > Its not causing it. Its not preventing them anymore than the current
> > list.
>
> Huh? I gave
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> apt-fu installs binary packages of build-depends first to avoid circular
> >> build-dependencies, and then builds and installs the build-depends from
> >> source if -R is specified. It's a nasty problem but
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> First: There is now a version of debsigs that creats debs that the
> apt-utils could cope with, see http://debsigs.turmzimmer.net/ (I tried
> it with the unmodified apt-utils of woody).
>
> * Goswin von Brederlow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031202 04:55]:
> >
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Scripsit Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > If a package is compromised we can proof that the DD of the package
> > either is malicious or incompetent.
>
> Say, we just had a major compromise on certain Debian machines. Pray
> tell, who d
Ryan Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:52:19AM -0800, Ben Pfaff wrote:
>
> > autoconf_2.58-9_i386.changes has bad PGP/GnuPG signature!
> > Removing autoconf_2.58-9_i386.changes, but keeping its associated files for
> > now.
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Your Debi
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031206 13:25]:
> > Scripsit Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > If a package is compromised we can proof that the DD of the package
> > > either is malicious or incompetent.
>
> > Say, we just had a maj
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Roger Leigh wrote:
> In late 2001, I spent several weekends hand-building quite a large
> chunk of woody (over 200 source packages). I found quite a number of
> serious bug in several packages, including missing Build-Deps, and, in
> the case of (IIRC) Tcl 8.x, it wouldn't bui
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 09:31:54PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> For example, every self-hosting compiler build-depends on itself
> (many of them can be bootstrapped, but I'm not sure we want to require
> bootstrapping on every build - and some require manual bootstrapping
> work).
Obviou
Moin,
what are the "license problems" causing the removal of aspell in the
update to 3.0r2 ?
do these problems exist in debian unstable ?
if not: why was aspell _removed_ from stable and not replaced by a
backport of the version in unstable ?
--
c u
henning
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 06:02:16PM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> I remember about a message from a guy from RedHat saying more or less
> that he see no point in supporting an environment/wm that do not
> follow the new standards decided at freedesktop.org...
Just as a data point, you do realize that
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:17:25PM +0100, Roland Bauerschmidt wrote:
> James Troup wrote:
> > As part of the recovery process, db.debian.org has migrated, both to a
> > new host (because the old box was on it's last legs and HP kindly
> > donated a shiny new one to replace it), and to a newer vers
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 08:41, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 06:02:16PM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > I remember about a message from a guy from RedHat saying more or less
> > that he see no point in supporting an environment/wm that do not
> > follow the new standards decided at freed
Henning Glawe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Moin,
> what are the "license problems" causing the removal of aspell in the
> update to 3.0r2 ?
IMO, there are no license problems. See:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200312/msg00870.html
> do these problems exist in debian
On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 16:41, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 06:02:16PM +0100, Mathieu Roy wrote:
> > I remember about a message from a guy from RedHat saying more or less
> > that he see no point in supporting an environment/wm that do not
> > follow the new standards decided at freed
Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Roger Leigh wrote:
>
>> In late 2001, I spent several weekends hand-building quite a large
>> chunk of woody (over 200 source packages). I found quite a number of
>> serious bug in several packages, including missing Build-Deps, and, in
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> >> apt-fu installs binary packages of build-depends first to avoid circular
>> >> build-dependencies, and then builds and installs the build-depends from
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Henning Glawe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Moin,
>> what are the "license problems" causing the removal of aspell in the
>> update to 3.0r2 ?
>
> IMO, there are no license problems. See:
Actually, I take that back. There was a serious bug in that
/
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:40:58AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> -- until there exists a mechanism to convert .desktop entries into
> things that the back-end WM's can grok, we are stymied
Agreed.
> (since we have a system that works, however imperfectly, and dropping
> support for these win
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 05:11:50PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
> What is needed for initrd-tools? I've given up on using initrd's for
> kernels I compile.
That's sad. initrd saved my bacon more than once. ;-) If you like to
compile vanilla kernels, either find the Debian cramfs-initrd patch or
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:24:58AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:34:10 -0500, Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> said:
>
> > On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 11:11, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> That is but one optimization: we already are suffering from archive
> >> bloat, w
alberto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Intel has a powerful f90 compiler, the only one freely available on
> the market, as far as I know, which runs under Linux. It is an
> extremely important tool for those who run numerical simulations for
> scientific purposes.
> http://www.intel.com/software/p
Your message dated Sun, 7 Dec 2003 01:20:20 +0100
with message-id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
and subject line Bug#223114: fixed in ksensors 0.7.2-12
has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done.
This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with.
If this is not the case it is now y
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:02, Chad Walstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's sad. initrd saved my bacon more than once. ;-) If you like to
Initrd broke my systems more than once.
The recent versions of the package have significant problems if you want to
convert to or from devfs. The Debian mk
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:48:21PM -0800, Eric Wong wrote:
> > apt-fu src-dist-upgrade
>
> Excellent work! *This* is what I have been searching for. Plus, it
> seems to actually work! :-)
Cool, probably the best compliment I've received so far :)
> I h
Hi, Lukas Geyer wrote:
> As an
> aside, I don't quite understand why Fortran is still so popular in the
> numerical mathematics community... :)
There still are a lot of Fortran libraries which people are used to,
and they have been heavily optimized over the years.
The sad trutz is also that his
On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 18:36, Scott James Remnant wrote:
> ObPrivate
>
Total apologies here, especially to Matt Flax and Andreas Schuldei who
I've written to in separate mails.
I had no intention of mailing this to -devel (as you could probably
guess from the ObPrivate at the top).
I routinely r
David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:24:58AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:34:10 -0500, Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > said:
> >
> > > On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 11:11, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > >> That is but one optimiza
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> This sort of automated source building is a very good idea--it will
> >> root out a lot of build bugs, and will improve the quality of Debian.
> >
> > That
Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi, Lukas Geyer wrote:
>
> > As an
> > aside, I don't quite understand why Fortran is still so popular in the
> > numerical mathematics community... :)
>
> There still are a lot of Fortran libraries which people are used to,
> and they have been hea
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