On Mon, 19 May 2003, Brian Nelson wrote:
> reopen 193287
> reopen 193286
> thanks
>
> Marco Presi (Zufus) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Format: 1.7
> > Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:30:39 +0200
> > Source: pointless
> > Binary: pointless
> > Architecture: source i386
> > Version: 0.3-3
> > Distrib
Emile van Bergen wrote:
> However, I fail to understand why you want people to refrain from
> bringing the netiquette under the attention of the people they are
> receiving email from.
Never said they should refrain. I do think that it's a waste of time though.
> IOW, if everybody just tries to a
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt
>> repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/.
MB> Looks good, but why the long binary name?
MB> Wouldn't just `firebird' be nicer?
Because it's name is Mozilla Firebird (tm) :)
[EMAIL PRO
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> I sent something like this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], since he's supposed to
> be our donations coordinator (at least, that's what I read at
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2002/debian-devel-announce-200207/msg1.html),
> but haven't heard from him in a week.
Mike Fedyk wrote:
> On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:24:51PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > already fixed there. They should go into a security update repository, just
> > as is done for stable, but not on security.debian.org.
>
> Why not? It's already there.
>
> #Security
* Gunnar Wolf
| Tollef Fog Heen dijo [Sun, May 18, 2003 at 04:21:15PM +0200]:
| > | Side question: will there be a few machines for people who can't bring a
| > | laptop ?
| >
| > Hopefully, yes, but if you can bring a laptop: do it. :)
|
| Tollef, I might be able to bring an extra laptop with
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 01:31:41PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote:
> Looks good, but why the long binary name? Wouldn't just `firebird'
> be nicer?
$ apt-cache search firebird
Read mozillazine.org for the gossip around that :-)
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On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:38:47AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 06:55:37PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> > Highly technical packages like zebra, netfilter-related stuff and
> > linux-atm are most likely to be used by people who know English. Not
> > speaking English will make
Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl ...
Was this expected?
Cheers.
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On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:57:13AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Mike Fedyk wrote:
> > On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 09:24:51PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > > already fixed there. They should go into a security update repository,
> > > just
> > > as is done for stable, but not on security.debian.o
On Mon 19 May 2003, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:17:40PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> > (I'd quote a proverb about how small things lead to big things, but I
> > can't currently think of any of those in English. :)
>
> "Look after the pennies and the pounds will take care of the
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:51:05AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > I sent something like this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], since he's supposed to
> > be our donations coordinator (at least, that's what I read at
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2002/debian-devel-
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 07:21:51AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2003, Denis Barbier wrote:
>
> > [All Cc's removed]
> >
> > On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 07:54:55AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote:
> > [...]
> > > I don't believe that there is not an estestic layout that can
En réponse à Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl
> ...
>
> Was this expected?
Yes, and no.
No, because it is a connection failure.
Yes, because the machine is a ia64 ;-)
Cheers,
--
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On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:15:54AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:51:05AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > I sent something like this to [EMAIL PROTECTED], since he's supposed to
> > > be our donations coordinator (at least, that's what I rea
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 10:54:59PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> From: Agustin Martin Domingo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:50:39 +0200
>
> > I am cc'ing this message to the debian-tetex-maint list. I
Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl ...
[...]
There is progress:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/CVS/alioth/exim/exim> cvs update
System bootup in progress - please wait
cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult abo
Hi,
I'm about to sponsor a program which uses libdb3++. I have to admit that
I do not know anything about libdb3 and just try to foreward a problem which
occures only on my box - not at the box from the maintainer. I just reduced
the problem to a minimum. The configure script generated a C++ fi
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:15:54AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>
>
> I could use some non-mac m68k boxes to do exactly that :-)
>
Does that include boxes that are not supported by the kernel yet ? I
have a VME 68030 board with full hardware documentation here...
Frank
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 11:23:51AM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> En r?ponse ? Stefano Zacchiroli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Alioth seems to be down, pings seems to stop at gatekeeper.terena.nl
> > ...
> >
> > Was this expected?
>
> Yes, and no.
>
> No, because it is a connection failure.
> Yes,
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:51:05AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > At http://www.freebsd.org/donations/wantlist.html, the FreeBSD
> > developers have a list of computer-related stuff they could use to
> > improve their work on the FreeBSD operating system. I think this is
Hi,
I just tried to follow the advise of Ryan Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (see
http://bugs.debian.org/190231
) which did not solved the problem which was couased only on MIPS but added
new trouble for (probably) all architectures. I'm no automake expert and
I *really* do not know what
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:05:39PM +0200, Frank Gevaerts wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:15:54AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> >
> > I could use some non-mac m68k boxes to do exactly that :-)
> >
>
> Does that include boxes that are not supported by the kernel yet ?
If it passes by a kern
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 11:44:37AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/CVS/alioth/exim/exim> cvs update
> System bootup in progress - please wait
> cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
> cu andreas
What a progress! :-)
BTW, wh
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 11:03:17AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> It seems to me this would be mitigated by two factors: 1) if they know
> enough to realize they should be emailing you in English, they probably
> realize they need to send the error messages in English too (by running
> e2fsprogs in
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:42:35PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> ) which did not solved the problem which was couased only on MIPS but
> added new trouble for (probably) all architectures. I'm no automake
> expert and I *really* do not know what to do here.
Looking at the bug report, you say
Atsuhito Kohda writes:
> From: Agustin Martin Domingo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: ITP: latex209 -- macro files of LaTeX 2.09 25-mar-1992 version
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:50:39 +0200
>> I am cc'ing this message to the debian-tetex-maint list. I think they
>> would also like to know abou
On Tue, 20 May 2003 07:14:33 +0100, Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I don't like school boy rules and I thought I'd tell everyone.
Good manners are school boy rules? I suppose I would have
liked you better when you were younger, then.
manoj
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There ain't nothin' in this
Package: wnpp
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Severity: wishlist
* Package name: mozilla-bonobo
Version : 0.3.0
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* Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-05-13 12:11]:
> Here is a list of packages in unstable maintained by people on James's
> lists. May not be complete, but I grepped for names and for emails
> seperately so probably found most of them.
Thanks for this list; thoes packages have been orphaned or
I just had to write and say thanks. Now that libfam0c102 is listed as a
libfam0, I can install parts GNOME1 and GNOME2 *together*! I didn't think this
could even be done.
This is FANTASTIC, and yet another reason why Debian is simply the best
distribution ever.
Keep up the great work, guys!
Hi!
Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
The problem is that this breaks the "noexec" mount option. If /foo is
mounted noexec, then one cannot do /foo/myprog, but
/lib/ld-linux.so.1 /foo/myprog
Hi,
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 07:14:33AM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> Emile van Bergen wrote:
> > However, I fail to understand why you want people to refrain from
> > bringing the netiquette under the attention of the people they are
> > receiving email from.
>
> Never said they should refrain. I do
On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 07:05:10PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Denis Barbier wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > There is currently no consensus whether translated man pages should
> > be shipped along with original man pages or within manpages-xx packages.
>
> The general rule is that manpages-$lang conta
subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Uhhh, nope, sorry. Close them correctly or don't close them at all.
>
> Note, that a new upload, that correctly closes the bugs, will be incorrect
> as well.
>
> The reason for that is [...]
Although I'm not in any way involved in the actual issue:
Thank you for a good and calm explanation, A
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:45:21PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
> If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
>
> The problem is that this breaks the "noexec" mount option. If /foo is
> mounted noexec, th
Martin Pitt wrote:
>Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
>If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/priv$ sudo chmod a-x /lib/ld-linux.so.2
Password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/priv$ ls
bash: /bin/ls: Permission denied
[EMAIL
Hi,
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:45:21PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
> If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
>
> The problem is that this breaks the "noexec" mount option. If /foo is
> moun
On Sun, 2003-05-18 at 22:07, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
> What are other developers' feelings on the matter these days?
While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of
non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in
part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the appar
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Hi All,
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Whoever cold be interested you can subscribe here:
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This would also be a fantastic opportunitu, as well,
Several packages in Debian depend on another package and symlink their
/usr/share/doc/ to the directory of this other package.
Section 13.5. of your policy says:
<-- snip -->
13.5. Copyright information
---
Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:15:22PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Martin Pitt wrote:
> >Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
> >If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/priv$ sudo chmod a-x /lib/ld-linux.so.2
> Pa
> For those reasons, I am planning to organise Debconf 4 in Vancouver (or
> maybe somewhere else, if there's a lot of hate for vancouver) sometime
> in the summer of 2004.
Yipee!
Hi,
I've finished work on debconfising the wu-ftpd package. It seems to work
on the couple of test systems I have here. However, I'd like to see the
package have a little bit more testing before I upload it to the
archive.
If anyone is willing to do this, bearing in mind that it MAY not be 100%
p
> Unless someone can convince me that my interpretation of your policy is
> wrong I'll start filing bugs against packages that symlink
> /usr/share/doc/ to the directory of another package.
Policy 13.3 says:
...
`/usr/share/doc/' may be a symbolic link to another
directory in `/usr/sha
Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> From the amount of mail I've gotten I guess people will be
> interested. I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt
> repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/. Just add:
>
> deb http://people.debian.org/~eric/debi
Le Tue, May 20, 2003 at 03:07:15PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli écrivait:
> BTW, why at the time of my first post many DNS weren't neither able to
> resolve the alioth.debian.org hostname? I think that it should be
> resolvable even when alioth is down, shouldn't it?
No because alioth has its own DNS
* Adrian Bunk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030520 19:20]:
> Several packages in Debian depend on another package and symlink their
> /usr/share/doc/ to the directory of this other package.
>
> Section 13.5. of your policy says:
>
> <-- snip -->
>
> 13.5. Copyright information
> --
Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of
> non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in
> part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to non-americans
> coming into the country.
Two of the peo
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:00:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> I don't see any objection to symlinking if both packages are created of
> the same sourcepackage, the second one depends on =first-package-version
> and (naturally) have the same copyright.
It makes it impossible to extract the chan
Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ED> From the amount of mail I've gotten I guess people will be
ED> interested. I've uploaded mozilla-firebird_0.6-1 to my personal apt
ED> repository at http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/. Just add:
I've installed a bunch of extensions while using root a
Fellow developers,
I propose the following amendment to the Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote
tallying Constitutional amendment. This amendment supersedes the
amendment proposed in Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
If the sponsor rejects this change, I request seconds on this amendment,
so that it app
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 07:14:33AM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote:
> Emile van Bergen wrote:
> > However, I fail to understand why you want people to refrain from
> > bringing the netiquette under the attention of the people they are
> > receiving email from.
> Never said they should refrain. I do think t
[/run/ and] read-only root
~~
The /run/ idea is shelved, unless someone wants to take up
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have to go into /var/run/. The program, therefore, is:
1. Wherever possible, state files in /etc/ should be eliminated
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Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:57:13AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
>>This is a remeniscent (sp?)
> "remnant", probably. "reminiscent of" means "similar to".
My guess at what he meant was "reminiscence".
- ...
- a remembered experience
...
- something so like another as to be r
On ti, 2003-05-20 at 20:25, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
> Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number of
> > non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil, due in
> > part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers
I'm pleased to announce that Debian Wiki (http://wiki.debian.net) is
back online, and should stay that way. I've had lots of trouble with
Zope on my not-so-high-memory server, and that's why it sometimes is
down for now reason. I was thinking of moving it to UseMod, but then I
read http://www.per
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 12:19:33PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
>The amendment uses the concept of a Quorum requirement to inhibit
>"stealth decisions" by only a handful of developers. While this is a
>good thing, the per-option quorum from the amendment has a tendency to
>fur
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Hi,
You actually propose two separate amendments. Please don't do that, it smells
of politics. :-/
John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
- 2. If the ballot has a quorum requirement R any options other
-than the default option which do not receive at least R votes
-ranking that option
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote:
> I've installed a bunch of extensions while using root and now Mozilla
> Firebird hangs when starting it as user. Does anybody else experience
> this? Any hints on diagnosing?
been there, done that.
there were some files in /usr/lib/moz
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:06:17PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > BTW, why at the time of my first post many DNS weren't neither able to
> > resolve the alioth.debian.org hostname? I think that it should be
> > resolvable even when alioth is down, shouldn't it?
>
> No because alioth has its own
Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>
> You actually propose two separate amendments. Please don't do that, it
> smells of politics. :-/
the changes are related, if just 2 was changed, then the majority
requirements in 3 have an undesired side-effect.
let me find that message . .
= http://lists.debian.org
>As opposed to plowing through your idiotic screed about how people
>shouldn't have high standards, which is clearly not a waste of time
>since it has important implications for how all developers maintain
>their packages, right?
Seems you couldn't resist helping me by extending the thread? But th
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0400, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
> Two of the people I originally contacted said this too, but always in
> the third person. I ask again, who on this list actually still feels
> this way?
I do. These days I won't travel to the US even if somebody would
pay me to. I
Raul Miller wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 12:19:33PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
> >The amendment uses the concept of a Quorum requirement to inhibit
> >"stealth decisions" by only a handful of developers. While this is a
> >good thing, the per-option quorum from the amendment
On Wed, 21 May 2003 01:45, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
> If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
>
> The problem is that this breaks the "noexec" mount option. If /foo is
> mounted noexec, then one cannot do
Aaron M. Ucko (2003-05-20 13:25:47 -0400) :
> Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> While convenient for american developers, there are rather a number
>> of non-american developers who will not set foot on American soil,
>> due in part to the DMCA and (I imagine) the apparent dangers to
>> no
Em Sat, 17 May 2003 20:27:34 +, "Andrew M.A. Cater"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:
> 3. If there are two or more authoritative rule sets e.g. for
> British/American/Canadian/Australian English [I don't know
> whether this is true - but it probably is] seek to come
> to an international consens
Em Mon, 19 May 2003 17:18:19 -0500, Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
escreveu:
> On 19-May-03, 11:03 (CDT), Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The VMS-style error codes occurred to me as well. Though if one goes
> > that route, I wonder if gettext any longer has advantages over msg
Em 18 May 2003 18:06:40 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:
> * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
>
> | On Sat, 17 May 2003, Martin Schulze wrote:
> |
> | > should always try to stay as close to the original as you can.
> | > Changing the text layout is a NO-GO in my opinion - and in
Hi,
Oh, as a sponsor of the GR, I suppose I should clarify that I
am not going to accept this amendment; I consider it a bad one. This
makes our vote method fail the monoticity criteria
(http://www.electionmethods.org/evaluation.htm). See Scenario 2 below.
I'll present two (pe
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 02:39:08PM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
> example: quorum of 20, two ballots on the measure, plus the default
> option. two major schools of thought: those that support option A, and
> those that support option B.
If the quorum of 20 is significant, neither school of
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:00:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> The policy vetoe to symlinking intends (in my interpretation) two
> goals. One is to ensure that the licences don't "change" unintendidly.
> This could e.g. happen if there is a global file called GPL, the
> packages link there copyri
Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:15:22PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > Martin Pitt wrote:
> > >Is there any particular reason to have /lib/ld-linux.so.* exxecutable?
> > >If it is used only as a proper library, it need not be executable.
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/priv$ sudo c
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 10:02:01AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 08:00:21PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > The policy vetoe to symlinking intends (in my interpretation) two
> > goals. One is to ensure that the licences don't "change" unintendidly.
> > This could e.g. happen if
Hello,
I was curious to know if anyone would be any interest among the Debian
developers attending OLS (www.linuxsymposium.org) this summer to discuss
the future of the Debian port to AMD64. I will be securing us a space
with the organizers, but if there is only a low volume of interested
bodie
> That behavior always struck me as fairly evil -- it's never fun when one
> single bit flip can take down a system, and I'd like to see the number
> of bits that can do so be as small as possible. Now that you point out
> the actual code I wish we could do away with that check. Does it really
> bu
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