Re: i386 compatibility & libstdc++

2003-04-30 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Arnd Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It would surely be nice to see performance numbers from actual > applications. After all, the applications are normally doing > some things besides low level atomic operations. Indeed, it would be interesting to find out how often applications invoke th

Re: libstdc++... Help please

2003-04-30 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 02:08:33PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: > Woody was effectively frozen around Jan 2002, no major changes to > packages were permitted, etc. I'm sorry, but you're still wrong. No major changes to subsystems were allowed -- like switching to KDE 3, or new Qt, or new Gnome, or

fixed libstdc++5 package

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Klose
A fixed libstdc++ package (0pre7) has been uploaded to incoming. You can get it from http://ftp-master.debian.org/~doko/gcc-3.3/ for i386 as well. Another workaround is to keep or reinstall the 0pre5 package (it's currently in sarge/testing). Sorry for messing up unstable, I did the test

Re: New virtual package: festival-voice (bug#112565)

2003-04-30 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 05:15:44PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > The festival speech syntesizer needs at least one voice file. I'd like to > use a virtual package named "festival-voice" so that people cannot install > it without one, which is a problem (see the above bug). Last time I looked, t

Re: /run/, resolvconf and read-only root

2003-04-30 Thread Thomas Hood
Whether we end up with "/run/, resolvconf and read-only root" depends a lot on whether the maintainers of the affected packages support the project. So far the response has not been positive. Here is a quick summary for the packages that were on my TODO list. Creating /run/ base-files Chang

Re: aag - wrapper for apt-get with support for recommend and suggests field

2003-04-30 Thread Joshua Kwan
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 11:43:38PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > Try running apt in an up-to-date unstable. (this isn't apt's fault, > of course) Ah, yeah, I downgraded and put libstdc++5 on hold the second shit started flowing downhill (ie with menu) :) Regards Josh -- New PGP public key:

Re: fixed libstdc++5 package

2003-04-30 Thread Peter Makholm
Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Btw, looking at the reports, I see 30 submitted from i386 architectures, > one from a powerpc machine, none from other architectures, although all > architectures are affected. Conclusions? ;-) The general i386-user is so stupid that they can't handle

Re: New virtual package: festival-voice (bug#112565)

2003-04-30 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Andrew Pollock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-04-30 17:26]: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 05:15:44PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > The festival speech syntesizer needs at least one voice file. I'd like to > > use a virtual package named "festival-voice" so that people cannot install > > it without on

Re: Backporting a package from unstable to stable

2003-04-30 Thread Andreas Metzler
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Backporting] >> Is it as simple as using something like pbuilder and tweaking the >> Build-Depends to match the versions of the packages that are in stable? > To answer the question, the answer is 'no, not always'. > You need some try-and-error, and usu

Re: Announcing Debian Package Tags

2003-04-30 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, (sorry to respond) On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 07:35:47PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 14:32, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:24:19 -0400, David Roundy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > To be precise, you said "Maybe novices should only be shown > >

Re: fixed libstdc++5 package

2003-04-30 Thread Jérôme Marant
En réponse à Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Btw, looking at the reports, I see 30 submitted from i386 > architectures, > one from a powerpc machine, none from other architectures, although > all > architectures are affected. Conclusions? ;-) Let's drop the others? };-> -- Jérôme Marant <[

Re: New virtual package: festival-voice (bug#112565)

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:26:11 +, Andrew Pollock wrote: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 05:15:44PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >> The festival speech syntesizer needs at least one voice file. I'd like >> to use a virtual package named "festival-voice" so that people cannot >> install it without

Re: New virtual package: festival-voice (bug#112565)

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 04:16:42 +, Matthew Palmer wrote: >> Policy requires discussing new virtual packages on d-d... > > Unless the virtual package is only to be used amongst a group of > cooperating packages (Policy section 2.3.5). I think this would > qualify. > I don't know whether the

Re: i386 compatibility & libstdc++

2003-04-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 12:52:11PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 03:56, Chris Cheney wrote: > > > I also find it hard to believe that the majority of our users do not > > have or can not purchase a system that is less than 7 years old. > > I have a brand new 486-class s

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Re: libstdc++... Help please

2003-04-30 Thread Jesus Climent
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 12:45:32PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > Nope. We need ourselves to play with unstable - but unstable is not up > for testing. That's what *testing* is for! :-) > > Ideally, Sid should stay as a developer testbed. In fact, when I started > using it, I got disappointed beca

Re: fixed libstdc++5 package

2003-04-30 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 09:23:39AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > Btw, looking at the reports, I see 30 submitted from i386 architectures, > one from a powerpc machine, none from other architectures, although all > architectures are affected. Conclusions? ;-) Users of non-i386 architectures are g

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How to upgrade package which changed syntax (new programs)

2003-04-30 Thread Ondrej Sury
Hello, I am packaging relay-ctrl package which is tool how to make pop3be4smtp for qmail based systems. Versions before 2.53 worked by compiling tcp.smtp.cdb database each time new IP was authorized and no modification of smtp service was neccessary. >From version 3.0 you need to modify all ser

Re: libstdc++... Help please

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:22:33 +, Jesus Climent wrote: > I had the idea that stopping the upgrades, rebuilding *all* the packages > with the new version of the compilers and reinitiating the upgrades > could solve the problem which otherwise has caused a great deal of > delay. If I understo

Re: fixed libstdc++5 package

2003-04-30 Thread James Troup
Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Btw, looking at the reports, I see 30 submitted from i386 architectures, > one from a powerpc machine, none from other architectures, although all > architectures are affected. Conclusions? ;-) Well, duh, let's see. Several architectures' build were e

Re: libstdc++... Help please

2003-04-30 Thread Björn Stenberg
Matthias Urlichs wrote: > If I understood correctly, part of the problem is/was that some of the > rebuilds simply didn't work because of problems with the new compilers. > > The current tools don't allow programs of arch X into testing if they fail to > build on arch Y. I think that in general th

Re: Announcing Debian Package Tags

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:38:30 +, Emile van Bergen wrote: > people tend to have a lot larger memory for words than for images and > unpronounceable hieroglyphs (icons, and -- shudder -- tool bars). Not to nitpick, but people, and indeed entire cultures, for which this isn't true -- because

RFA: sbuild -- Tool for building Debian binary packages from Debian sources

2003-04-30 Thread Rick Younie
Missing X-Debbugs-CC? - Forwarded message from Rick Younie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Rick Younie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:00:39 -0700 To: Debian Bug Tracking System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RFA: sbuild -- Tool for building Debian binary packages from Debian

Re: /run/, resolvconf and read-only root

2003-04-30 Thread Arthur de Jong
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > I don't know what it will take to convince you, but I would like you to > answer these questions: I also have a problem with adding another toplevel directory and I suspect there are some more. I haven't read the complete thread (I also have other

Re: aag - wrapper for apt-get with support for recommend and suggests field

2003-04-30 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 04:08:14AM -0700, David Nusinow wrote: > On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 06:13:38AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > i have written a small wrapper for apt-get that makes it possible to > > install all recommended and/or suggested Packages for a Package too. > Why not just use apt

Re: Announcing Debian Package Tags

2003-04-30 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 02:27:35PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:38:30 +, Emile van Bergen wrote: > > people tend to have a lot larger memory for words than for images and > > unpronounceable hieroglyphs (icons, and -- shudder -- tool bars). > > Not to nitpic

OpenOffice in other menu?

2003-04-30 Thread Carl B. Constantine
Why is OpenOffice in the "Other" menu in Gnome (2.2) instead of in the "Office" menu where it should be? -- .''`. Carl B. Constantine : :' : [EMAIL PROTECTED] `. `'GnuPG: 135F FC30 7A02 B0EB 61DB 34E3 3AF1 DC6C 9F7A 3FF8 `- Debian GNU/Linux -- The power of freedom pgpsaCwuci3o

Re: i386 compatibility & libstdc++

2003-04-30 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Anthony DeRobertis | On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 03:56, Chris Cheney wrote: | | > I also find it hard to believe that the majority of our users do not | > have or can not purchase a system that is less than 7 years old. | | I have a brand new 486-class system with 32MB of RAM. It's less than 6 | mo

Re: Backporting a package from unstable to stable

2003-04-30 Thread Steve Greenland
On 29-Apr-03, 19:11 (CDT), James D Strandboge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you are going to backport packages from sid, you will most likely > need to backport debhelper, debconf, automake*, et al so that the > package will build properly (though it may *compile* correctly). Instead of backpor

Re: Announcing Debian Package Tags

2003-04-30 Thread Mike Dresser
On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > Maybe that's intuitive to some people but to me it just looks wierd. On the > other hand if it simply had the letters "bash" or just "sh" it's meaning > would have been immediatly apparent. Indeed. There's a Windows tool I use at times, called

ITP: gnome-velocity -- A light file manager for GNOME2

2003-04-30 Thread Leo \"Costela\" Antunes
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-30 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gnome-velocity Version : 0.1alpha Upstream Author : Kyle Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://velocity.sf.net * License : GPL Description : A light file manager

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Re: /run/, resolvconf and read-only root

2003-04-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 03:13:43PM +0200, Arthur de Jong wrote: > > Do you think having programs write to /etc is a bad thing? > I think creating /run is worse. > I think it should be possible for any program that writes to /etc (it it > cannot use /var) either to be configurable to store it's d

Re: libstdc++... Help please

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:06:11 +, Björn Stenberg wrote: > Matthias Urlichs wrote: >> The current tools don't allow programs of arch X into testing if they >> fail to build on arch Y. I think that in general this is a good idea. > > I disagree. The net effect is that the program gets less te

Re: i386 compatibility & libstdc++

2003-04-30 Thread Arnd Bergmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 30 April 2003 16:29, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Anthony DeRobertis > | Please explain how I can get a similar system, running on a similar > | amount of power, and with no moving parts (i.e., no fans) using, even a > | P-II. > > http://www

Re: Bug#190038: libgtkdatabox_1:0.2.3.0-1(m68k/unstable/thing2): FTBFS on m68k

2003-04-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > > > > /usr/lib/gcc-lib/m68k-linux/3.2.3/../../../libgdk-x11-2.0.so: undefined > > > reference to `Xine > > > ramaIsActive' > > > /usr/lib/gcc-lib/m68k-linux/3.2.3/../../../libgdk-x11-2.0.so: undefined > > > reference to `Xine > > > ramaQueryScreens' > > > collect2: ld

RE: ITP: gnome-velocity -- A light file manager for GNOME2

2003-04-30 Thread Leo \"Costela\" Antunes
severity #191420 wishlist thanks I don't know why it was filled as Normal... it didn't recognize "wishlist" as a valid value for the Severity pseudo-header... Any hints? Cheers PS.: CC me, I'm not on d-devel -- Leo Costela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Key

Bug#191434: ITP: libcgi-session-perl -- Persistent session data in CGI applications

2003-04-30 Thread Julien Danjou
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-30 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libcgi-session-perl Version : 3.93 Upstream Author : Sherzod Ruzmetov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.cpan.org * License : as Perl itself Description : Pers

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Re: fixed libstdc++5 package

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Klose
James Troup writes: > Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Btw, looking at the reports, I see 30 submitted from i386 architectures, > > one from a powerpc machine, none from other architectures, although all > > architectures are affected. Conclusions? ;-) > > Well, duh, let's see. S

Re: Bug#191420: ITP: gnome-velocity -- A light file manager for GNOME2

2003-04-30 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 05:13:13PM -0300, Leo Costela Antunes wrote: > severity #191420 wishlist > thanks > > I don't know why it was filled as Normal... it didn't recognize > "wishlist" as a valid value for the Severity pseudo-header... > Any hints? A temporary BTS glitch. Please ignore it, it's

Re: debian.org machine with pbuilder/debootstrap?

2003-04-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Neil Roeth wrote: > On Apr 28, Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > Many have chroots but don't tend to have the relevant build-deps > > > installed. > > You can always send a mail into the direction of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask for the packages which a

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Klose
Hamish Moffatt writes: > On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 04:32:37PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > This is an attempt to summarize some points. > > > > 1. Why do we have a problem, other than performance issues? > > > > * To maintain binary compatibility with other distributions for C++ > > packages, D

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Klose
Neil Roeth writes: > Nice summary. > > * Drop i386 support mostly. 'i386' architecture becomes 'i486'. > > Start a 'Debian-real-i386' subproject, with a 'real-i386' architecture, > > but don't require that any packages build on it in order to go into > > testing or to release Debian; it would be

Re: ITP: gnome-velocity -- A light file manager for GNOME2

2003-04-30 Thread Adam Heath
On 30 Apr 2003, Leo "Costela" Antunes wrote: > Package: wnpp > Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-30 > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: gnome-velocity > Version : 0.1alpha > Upstream Author : Kyle Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http://velocity.sf.net > *

Re: /run/, resolvconf and read-only root

2003-04-30 Thread Thomas Hood
On Wed, 2003-04-30 at 15:13, Arthur de Jong wrote: > I think it should be possible for any program that writes to /etc (it it > cannot use /var) either to be configurable to store it's data somewhere > else or use a symlink to store the data somwhere else (e.g. /proc/flashrom > or /nfsmounteddiskbu

About standard 'c' structures in header files.

2003-04-30 Thread Halil Demirezen
Hi, As writing a network based program, does debian forces i should use standard structures in headers files? for example: struct iphdr i can construct this structure my own. However, does debian want to see there __standard__ structures in .deb packages? sincerely. --halil

Re: Accepted arcboot 0.3.6 (mips source)

2003-04-30 Thread Alastair McKinstry
Hi, I'm looking at what needs to be be done for mips support in debian-installer, and it appears we probably need arcboot support. Currently the installers prepare the disk image, then present a menu option to run lilo, or grub (which get run in a chroot of the target). Would the same work for ar

Re: RFA: sbuild -- Tool for building Debian binary packages from Debian sources

2003-04-30 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 05:44:06AM -0700, Rick Younie wrote: > I request an adopter for the sbuild package. Roger Leigh packages buildd (which includes sbuild) locally, so he might be the right guy for this. Michael

Re: Announcing Debian Package Tags

2003-04-30 Thread Jacob Hallén
Other usefulpackage tags would be source language (C, C++, Python, Perl, Ruby etc.) and platform (KDE, GNOME...). Jacob Hallén

SPAM to BTS

2003-04-30 Thread Brian May
I can only presume this was SPAM? Fortunately bug #91791 is already closed and archived. -- Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Begin Message --- Erase your email record here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trou

Re: fixed libstdc++5 package

2003-04-30 Thread Alex Romosan
Matthias Klose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A fixed libstdc++ package (0pre7) has been uploaded to incoming. You > can get it from > > http://ftp-master.debian.org/~doko/gcc-3.3/ i've asked in the bug report i filed against the broken libstdc++ and previously on the debian-gcc mailing list

Re: debian.org machine with pbuilder/debootstrap?

2003-04-30 Thread Neil Roeth
On Apr 30, Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Neil Roeth wrote: > > On Apr 28, Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > > Many have chroots but don't tend to have the relevant build-deps > > > > installed. > > > You can always send a mail into t

Re: About standard 'c' structures in header files.

2003-04-30 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 11:53:14PM +0300, Halil Demirezen wrote: > Hi, > > As writing a network based program, does debian forces i should use standard > structures in headers files? for example: > > struct iphdr > > > i can construct this structure my own. However, does debian want to see t

Re: debian.org machine with pbuilder/debootstrap?

2003-04-30 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 10:16:11PM -0400, Neil Roeth wrote: > On Apr 30, Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Neil Roeth wrote: > > > On Apr 28, Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > > > Many have chroots but don't tend to have the relevant bui

Breaking into a Linux box running initrd

2003-04-30 Thread Andrew Pollock
Hi, The way I've always broken into a Linux box when it's been seriously broken or the root password's been forgotten is to go "linux init=/bin/sh" at the LILO prompt. However, this doesn't appear to have the desired effect when you've got a system that boots with an initrd. Can anyone enligh