Hi,
On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:23:34 +, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> Ignoring a dependency is probably bettter than a deadlock which makes
> the system unusable, to be sure
There's a third option. Make "need" exit with nonzero status if it's
called recursively.
Then the script just says
set -e
need f
Arnd Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No, look at my patch again. If you build without i486 optimization,
> the compiler will see only the extern declaration for
> __exchange_and_add().
I see. What sonames do you suggest to give to the two copies of
libstdc++? You once said you'd call them
Stephen Ryan wrote:
> there is no substitute for testing in the *exact* environment that you
> plan to release in. Period.
My point exactly. We should test packages in the environment we plan to
release: sarge. We should not let new uploads hold other packages
hostage. Because then we are only te
Hi Alex,
Alexander Kotelnikov wrote:
Hello.
Recently I was reported [1] by Marco d'Itri that FVWM from stable
branch (2.4.x) does not work with GNOME2, so he requested 2.5.x
packages from me.
Olivier Chapuis clarified the situation in his reply [2] to my
question in fvwm-workers mailing list.
FVWM
According to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 11:12:00AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
>
> > It seems that currently apt is not able to replace an essential
> > package. Well in fact the package I am trying to replace isn't
> > even really essential...
>
> It is able to, as you
> > - policy should require that tags are added
>
> This is going to be problematic. I think it would be better to have an
> override system where missing tags can be added by a central authority,
> rather than trying to force all maintainers to add tags or be NMUed.
Of course. they can be overr
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 11:36:27PM +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A few days ago I've uploaded new experimental version of yada. This is
> alternative way of building packages which doesn't use debhelper and
> doesn't require editing of Makefile.
>
> The last release introduces macro pr
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 02:25:27AM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> [1] the package will be called 1:0.99+1.0_rc3-1 to ensure upgradability
> to 1.0 and from the woody backport which was versioned
> 1.0_rc3-0woody1 :(
nothing against upgradability to 1.0, but introducing epochs right from
th
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:11:58 +0200
> "HD" == Harald Dunkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
HD>
HD> Hi Alex,
HD> Alexander Kotelnikov wrote:
>> Hello.
>> Recently I was reported [1] by Marco d'Itri that FVWM from stable
>> branch (2.4.x) does not work with GNOME2, so he requested 2.5.x
>> pack
On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 06:08:50PM -0700, Drew Hess wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm the upstream maintainer of OpenEXR. Is there anything I can do to
> help expedite getting OpenEXR into Debian? Not much has happened since
> the original ITP as far as I can tell. If something's broken on our side,
> le
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 03:23:24PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> [1] One of the difficult things in the future might be to generate new tags
> or associate new packages to tags already available. Automatising (sp?)
> this would be useful and TFIDF (and similar IA-related techniqu
Received Tue 29 Apr 2003 2:35pm +1000 from Alexander Wirt:
> Hi folks,
>
> i have written a small wrapper for apt-get that makes it possible to
> install all recommended and/or suggested Packages for a Package too.
> ...
I've also got the same functionality in my apt-get wrapper, wajig, as
in:
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 12:38:18PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 03:23:24PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
> wrote:
>
> > [1] One of the difficult things in the future might be to generate new tags
> > or associate new packages to tags already available. Automatising
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 06:13:38AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> i have written a small wrapper for apt-get that makes it possible to
> install all recommended and/or suggested Packages for a Package too.
> A simple Call of: aag -rs would install all recommended and
> suggested P
This one time, at band camp, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>This one time, at band camp, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
>>... and those who have tried to explain why it's a bad idea or have
>>concerns have been brushed off. So I've given up for now trying to
>>explain to you folks why I'm not convinced, since I do
> W: gnunet-gtk: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/bin/gnunet-gtk
> /home/bug1/0.5.3/gnunet-0.5.3/debian/tmp/usr/lib
>
> ./configure and the Makefile.in's mention -rpath, but rpath isnt set
> directly by configure.ac or Makefile.am, i dont know how to
> stop autotools from setting it.
My wild
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Hi,
I've just upgraded my sid system (i386) without
realising that libstdc++-pre6 is completely broken...
I've got an essay due in 24 hours which (was) being
written in lyx (which now doesn't work). Does anyone know
where I can get a pre5 version of libstdc++ from (my local
cache doesn't have it)
Cameron Hutchison wrote:
The next bit of juju is to set the environment variable XAUTHORITY to
~/.Xauthority, where is the user that started the xserver.
This is great. What about taking it to the next level? What I mean is
that I had been thinking about actually extracting the cookie from the
s
http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2003/04/28/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-3.3/libstdc++5_3.3-0pre5_i386.deb
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 12:02:38PM +, Nick Burkett wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I've just upgraded my sid system (i386) without
> realising that libstdc++-pre6 is completely broken...
> I've got an es
"Nick Burkett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
Hello Nick,
>I've just upgraded my sid system (i386) without
> realising that libstdc++-pre6 is completely broken...
> I've got an essay due in 24 hours which (was) being
> written in lyx (which now doesn't work). Does anyone know
> where I ca
Thanks for the help everyone... now on to the essay.
From: Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Nick Burkett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: libstdc++... Help please
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:39:55 -0300
"Nick Burkett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
Hell
Hi,
To use an example, I'd like to take the source package for Snort (2.0.0-2)
in unstable and rebuild it against stable so that I can update my
otherwise stable installation with a newer version of Snort, without
dragging in all the other dependencies from unstable that just installing
the Sn
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 07:10:06AM -0500, David Krider wrote:
|| Cameron Hutchison wrote:
||
|| >The next bit of juju is to set the environment variable XAUTHORITY to
|| >~/.Xauthority, where is the user that started the xserver.
This shouldn't be necessary, since X clients default to $HOME/.X
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On Tuesday 29 April 2003 07:50, you wrote:
> Arnd Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > No, look at my patch again. If you build without i486 optimization,
> > the compiler will see only the extern declaration for
> > __exchange_and_add().
>
> I see
Nick Burkett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've just upgraded my sid system (i386) without
> realising that libstdc++-pre6 is completely broken...
> I've got an essay due in 24 hours which (was) being
> written in lyx (which now doesn't work).
sid=unstable - you know that, don't you?
> Does anyo
> To use an example, I'd like to take the source package for Snort (2.0.0-2)
> in unstable and rebuild it against stable so that I can update my
> otherwise stable installation with a newer version of Snort, without
> dragging in all the other dependencies from unstable that just installing
>
Hi,
as the subject says, I intend to adopt nail. A new version, 10.5-1,
will be uploaded shortly.
-Hilko
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 02:26:23PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> Nick Burkett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've just upgraded my sid system (i386) without
> > realising that libstdc++-pre6 is completely broken...
> > I've got an essay due in 24 hours which (was) being
> > written in lyx (whic
Am Die, 2003-04-29 um 13.08 schrieb David Nusinow:
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 06:13:38AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > i have written a small wrapper for apt-get that makes it possible to
> > install all recommended and/or suggested Packages for a Package too.
> > A simple Ca
On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:28:51 +0900
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My wild guess is that the build script is setting prefix rather
> than DESTDIR ?
You are correct, i should know better than to make such basic mistakes.
Thanks
Glenn
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 04:32:37PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> This is an attempt to summarize some points.
>
> 1. Why do we have a problem, other than performance issues?
>
> * To maintain binary compatibility with other distributions for C++
> packages, Debian needs to use the i486+ version
> sid=unstable - you know that, don't you?
We need someone to test unstable, don't we? We can not realistically
test our distribution if the only people running it are those with many
computers who put it on one they aren't really using. Please don't give
our testers crap for actually testing the
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 02:26:23PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> Nick Burkett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've just upgraded my sid system (i386) without
> > realising that libstdc++-pre6 is completely broken...
> > I've got an essay due in 24 hours which (was) being
> > written in lyx (whic
Hi,
Alexander Wirt wrote:
> Its interactive, I don't want to launch a GUI if I want so simple add a
eh?
aptitude install
aptitude remove
aptitude purge
from command line.
> package. Additionally it seams that aptitude is currently broken in Sid.
> So this are two good reasons for me.
apt 0.5.
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 03:58:34PM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > Why not just use aptitude?[1]
> Its interactive, I don't want to launch a GUI if I want so simple add a
> package. Additionally it seams that aptitude is currently broken in Sid.
> So this are two good reasons for me.
aptitude ca
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 09:04:06AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 02:26:23PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> > Nick Burkett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I've just upgraded my sid system (i386) without
> > > realising that libstdc++-pre6 is completely broken...
> > > I've
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 09:58:16AM +0200, Erich Schubert wrote:
> Of course. they can be overriden the same way the section "gnome" was
> overridden for these packages. So no uploads would be required, but the
> packages can just be updated with their next uploads. Maybe some will stay
> in the ov
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 03:58:34PM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> Am Die, 2003-04-29 um 13.08 schrieb David Nusinow:
> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 06:13:38AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > Why not just use aptitude?[1]
> Its interactive, I don't want to launch a GUI if I want so simple add a
> pack
Am Die, 2003-04-29 um 17.01 schrieb Rene Engelhard:
> Hi,
>
> Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > Its interactive, I don't want to launch a GUI if I want so simple add a
>
> eh?
>
> aptitude install
> aptitude remove
> aptitude purge
I'm really sorry, but this sound very new to me. But its very nice to kn
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On Tuesday 29 April 2003 16:40, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 04:32:37PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> > * i486 guarantees a 32-bit external data bus (386SX has a 16-bit bus.).
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200304/msg02043.ht
> >ml Not sure if ther
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 09:46:47PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:06:14 -0400, David Roundy
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > probably wouldn't hid mp3blaster. Maybe novices should only be
> > shown gui programs after all. They probably don't want to be using
> > a shell
Package: wnpp
Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-29
Followup-For: Bug #148421
Since this ITP is almost a year old and there is a package available
under http://kopete.creativa.cl/debian/sid/ and the packages applies for
NM and I am willing to sponsor him, I hope no one opposes us to go ahead
a
On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> > There are a lot of wonky things that can happen during most of the essential
> > package remove scenarios that can completely screw your system so it doesn't
> > boot or can't run programs, install scripts or something er other.
> >
> > Your
On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:32:46 +0200, Emile van Bergen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 05:54:37PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> I'd certainly feel better if there were a broader consensus than
>> just Debian before moving in this direction.
> I think if Debian comes up with a
> > sid=unstable - you know that, don't you?
>
> We need someone to test unstable, don't we? We can not realistically
> test our distribution if the only people running it are those with many
> computers who put it on one they aren't really using. Please don't give
> our testers crap for actually
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I agree with Manoj when he says:
> I think it is premature to [r]atify into policy an action
> that has not been fully decided upon, and has not yet had
> all the kinks ironed out [...]
However, there does need to be some discussion of what
properties /run/ will have. Early in the debian-devel
d
Hello.
I'm announcing it again in debian-devel because it contains new
infrastructure to support proposals that are being discussed here, and
to ask a small testing run: if I see no big showstoppers, this is the
version that tomorrow I will upload to unstable.
I have made a bunch of neat addition
On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:24:19 -0400, David Roundy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 09:46:47PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:06:14 -0400, David Roundy
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> > probably wouldn't hid mp3blaster. Maybe novices should only be
>> >
On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 01:42:20AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> I'm not sure where you get that from; woody was released July 20th last year,
> which is a little over 3/4th of a year ago, and uploads were being accepted
> into testing without special consideration up until pretty much a year ago
>
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 12:45:32PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > > sid=unstable - you know that, don't you?
> >
> > We need someone to test unstable, don't we? We can not realistically
> > test our distribution if the only people running it are those with many
> > computers who put it on one they
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 08:26:07PM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote:
> * Files stored in /run/ are not "reaped"
I would supplement this by saying that programs which use /run/ may not
depend on state being preserved across reboots. This permits the use of
a ramfs for those who desire it.
Otherwise, I t
On Apr 29, Alexander Kotelnikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Actually, I would like to close #189664 without uploading any fvwm2.5
>packages to unstable, if no one objects.
I object, as the problem (fvwm not working with gnome2) still exists.
The open bug will help other users to find the soluti
On Apr 29, Jamie Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Do you think having programs write to /etc is a bad thing?
Yes.
>Where would you put /etc/mtab, to keep /etc sacrosanct?
I would teach mount to follow the /etc/mtab. Actually, I remember that
somebody already did this as he wrote about it o
Arnd Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> a) The patch gets merged upstream. It won't hurt anyone who is
> building i486+ optimized binaries and fixes a real bug.
Upstream won't accept the patch, because of the performance penalty.
Even if upstream accepts the patch, that won't be before
Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In general I don't think its a good idea for a package to having only
> one maintainer. It may work for smaller packages, but even then many
> times maintainers vanish or forget to update their packages. I think
> having a rcs system that contained all t
This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin v. L) wrote:
> I think the performance loss for applications like KDE will be
> significant. I doubt that providing two versions of KDE (i386
> and i486+) would be feasible.
Not starting a flamewar here, but in all honesty, who is going to try
David Starner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> sid=unstable - you know that, don't you?
> We need someone to test unstable, don't we? We can not realistically
> test our distribution if the only people running it are those with many
> computers who put it on one they aren't really using. Please don't
I was wondering if any effort was being made
to hold the build machines from installing the
broken libstdc++-5_3.3-0pre6 packages. If there
are missing symbols in those new libstdc++ libs
I am wondering what the impact will be for
any c++ code built against pre6 when the symbols
return in the n
Morgon Kanter wrote:
Not starting a flamewar here, but in all honesty, who is going to try
to use KDE on a 386 anyway? Actually, while we are on that, who is even
going to try to use X at all on a 386?
Probably nobody will. IMO, it is the worse that the KDE binaries have
to be built for i386 comp
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On Tuesday 29 April 2003 11:05 am, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> David Starner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> sid=unstable - you know that, don't you?
> >
> > We need someone to test unstable, don't we? We can not realistically
> > test our distribution if the only people running it are those with many
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 03:58:34PM +0200, Alexander Wirt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
was heard to say:
> Its interactive, I don't want to launch a GUI if I want so simple add a
> package. Additionally it seams that aptitude is currently broken in Sid.
> So this are two good reasons for me.
apt is broke
Morgon Kanter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin v. L) wrote:
>> I think the performance loss for applications like KDE will be
>> significant. I doubt that providing two versions of KDE (i386
>> and i486+) would be feasible.
> Not starting a flamew
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 08:05:48PM +0200, Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
was heard to say:
> David Starner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> sid=unstable - you know that, don't you?
>
> > We need someone to test unstable, don't we? We can not realistically
> > test our distribution if the only
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:57:54 +0200
> "Md" == Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Md>
Md> On Apr 29, Alexander Kotelnikov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Actually, I would like to close #189664 without uploading any fvwm2.5
>> packages to unstable, if no one objects.
Md> I object, as t
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 08:05:48PM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> David Starner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> sid=unstable - you know that, don't you?
>
> > We need someone to test unstable, don't we? We can not realistically
> > test our distribution if the only people running it are those wit
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On Tuesday 29 April 2003 21:22, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
> That won't help anything. "Compiling without threads" isn't really
> supported on Linux: if threads are not used, this is always a
> link-time/runtime issue, not a compile time issue.
Right, fo
On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 03:58:34PM +0200, Alexander Wirt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> was heard to say:
> > Its interactive, I don't want to launch a GUI if I want so simple add a
> > package. Additionally it seams that aptitude is currently broken in Sid.
>
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 05:23:52PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 03:58:34PM +0200, Alexander Wirt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> was heard to say:
> > Its interactive, I don't want to launch a GUI if I want so simple add a
> > package. Additionally it seams that aptitude is current
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 10:41:13PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
>
> To answer the question, the answer is 'no, not always'.
>
> You need some try-and-error, and usually backporting one package
> requires backporting of another. However, many people do it due to
> their needs.
>
> The biggest st
Daniel Burrows wrote:
apt is broken in sid now too. Isn't unstable fun? :)
Did you get this from the line in the topic of #debian @
irc.freenode.net? I jumped as well at first, but the apt that's MIA is
the bot in that channel, not the program in sid, I think.
On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 14:32, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:24:19 -0400, David Roundy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> To be precise, you said "Maybe novices should only be shown
> gui programs after all". Not that novices should be allowed to decide
> to only view gui progra
* Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030423 23:38]:
> I just had the idea of translating these hints myself and thus I talked
> with Grisu about using the DDTP server for this purpose. He promised
> to think about this ...
Well, did I missed something, hasn't anybody translated them, yet? I
was
On Tue, 2003-04-29 at 19:09, Andrew Pollock wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 10:41:13PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> >
> > To answer the question, the answer is 'no, not always'.
> >
> > You need some try-and-error, and usually backporting one package
> > requires backporting of another. Howeve
On Tuesday 29 April 2003 09:59, Michael Meskes wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-29
> Followup-For: Bug #148421
>
> Since this ITP is almost a year old and there is a package available
> under http://kopete.creativa.cl/debian/sid/ and the packages applies for
> NM and
On Apr 28, Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > Many have chroots but don't tend to have the relevant build-deps
> > installed.
> You can always send a mail into the direction of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask for the packages which are missing.
> You don't have
How about "obsolete" and "deprecated" tags? This information is not currently
captured for packages anywhere, so it is hard to tell if packages are
obsolete, or if there is a transition going on from an older one to a newer
one.
--
Neil Roeth
Nice summary. Comments below.
On Apr 27, Nathanael Nerode ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> This is an attempt to summarize some points.
[snip]
> 3. How much impact will this have on users?
> * Two people have reported live 386 systems (not clear if they're using
> Debian):
> 4. Conclusion.
> T
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heard to say:
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 05:23:52PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 03:58:34PM +0200, Alexander Wirt <[EMAIL
> > PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> > > Its interactive, I don't wan
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