On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 20:53, Branden Robinson wrote:
> Why should the DFSG have to worry about such philosophical questions?
> Why isn't it enough to worry about the license?
Because software isn't documentation?
Think of it this way: national security would be so much easier to
maintain if we co
On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 19:03, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> >I wrote this up last night after getting fed up with this thread, then
> >modified it this morning after reading the thread on -legal that was
> >referred to. Flame away.
> >
> >http://peo
On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 15:21, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 10:01:15AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> > > Why? What freedoms are important for software that aren't for
> > > documentation?
> >
> > Revisionist history, for one. I'm sure the FSF wouldn't appreciate the
> > GCC docum
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:34:57AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> Not necessarily. Imagine part of the README for "licquix", the hot new
> free kernel that everyone's raving about:
>
> Copyright (c) 1991 Linus Torvalds.
>
> The Finn gets the copyright because he started it, even though it
>
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 10:01:15AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 01:42, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 07:27:40AM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> > > DFSG stand for "Debian Free Software Guidelines". IMHO we ave to create a
> > > DFDG, "Debian Free Documentati
On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 00:55, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 10:01:15AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> > On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 01:42, Glenn Maynard wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 07:27:40AM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> > > > DFSG stand for "Debian Free Software Guidelines". IMH
Replies to -legal if you must make them. This list is for development
issues, not boring license pedantry.
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:12:41AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 20:53, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Why should the DFSG have to worry about such philosophical questions?
Followups to -legal.
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:07:02AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> I mentioned Thoreau in another thread, and the Bible in another; though
> they are free in every sense, perhaps that would be a place where we
> would need to be careful about modifications. I'm sure John Stuart
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 08:09:49PM -0500, Colin Watson wrote:
> > update_output.txt says:
> >
> > trying: postgresql
> > skipped: postgresql (134+2)
> > got: 46+0: a-46
> > * alpha: courier-authpostgresql, dbf2pg, ddt-server, gda-postgres,
> >
On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 01:08, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Replies to -legal if you must make them. This list is for development
> issues, not boring license pedantry.
>
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:12:41AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> > On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 20:53, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > Why shou
hello
we sould stop this and start after woody again...
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 08:17:46PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 04:55:17PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote:
> > > > > I'd suggest using diffs, as this brings the best results and is the
> > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-d
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:36:15AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> These are all good arguments. If they hold, I would humbly suggest then
> that we rename the "Debian Free Software Guidelines" to the "Debian Free
> Content Guidelines". This, it would seem, would be more direct.
That would be a mas
On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 04:49:25AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Otto Wyss) cum veritate scripsit:
>
> > Packages.0 from 28-March is probably the newest and the smallest upgrade
> > is problably the diff for one day (209k uncompressed, 50k gzipped). On
> > the 28th rsync's down
I'm trying to enable Ultra DMA on a woody system running a 2.4.17
kernel.
I've enabled the applicable kernel options.
CPU is Athlon 1700XP
Motherboard is an InnoBD BD7300D, with:
VIA VT8366A (KT266A) North bridge
VIA VT8233A South Bridge
Disk drive: Maxtor 5T06086 60GB 7200 RPM
But when I type
On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 02:11:00AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> > > > - I would like to have templates with substitution fields.
> > >
> > > Already exists.
> >
> > Any references?
>
> How about the debconf manual?
but sorry, we have some outdated translations in debconf templates
files. N
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 04:55:17PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote:
> > > > I'd suggest using diffs, as this brings the best results and is the
> >
> > [diffs for Packages files that is]
> >
> > > wooo!!!
> > >
> > > http://people.debian.org/~dancer/Packages-for-main-i386/
> > >
> > >
> > > # Time for
On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 11:16:44AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include
> Joey Hess wrote on Wed Mar 27, 2002 um 02:21:49PM:
> > That is a rather misleading summary of the situation, which as a
> > subscriber to debian-boot, you should understand better. Have you done
> > any testing of the propo
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
> the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else
> with your vmware problems. (Debian does support plex86 and bochs, BTW)
*sigh*
Do you al
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:09:39AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> hello
>
> we sould stop this and start after woody again...
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 08:17:46PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 04:55:17PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote:
> > > > > > I'd suggest using diffs, as
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 10:26:25PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-08
> Severity: normal
>
> Sorry, folks, but it is clear I have not enough time to work seriously
> on a package like dupload, which is important and should be handled
> with care.
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 08:13:28AM +1200, David McNab wrote:
> I'm trying to enable Ultra DMA on a woody system running a 2.4.17
> kernel.
>
> I've enabled the applicable kernel options.
>
> CPU is Athlon 1700XP
> Motherboard is an InnoBD BD7300D, with:
> VIA VT8366A (KT266A) North bridge
> VIA V
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> I am happy to take it. But a question: with the more actively
> maintained dput now being quite mature, do we still need both dupload
> and dput?
IMHO two tools with the same functionality are
1. confusing for users
2. waste of time for developers. T
Previously Mark Eichin wrote:
> I was questioning the "exactly one release which hasn't been touched
> in 14 months", rather than the actual number; it is a general rule
> that the first public exposure of something is *not* good enough for
> real use, and I find it hard to imagine 14 months going
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:29:02AM +0200, Tille, Andreas wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Julian Gilbey wrote:
>
> > I am happy to take it. But a question: with the more actively
> > maintained dput now being quite mature, do we still need both dupload
> > and dput?
> IMHO two tools with the same fun
On Mon 08 Apr 2002, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 09:40:04AM -0700, David D.W. Downey wrote:
> > Just wondering why libpam-pgsql was removed from the woody lineup.
>
> It has not. Check madison's output on pandora.
On a related note:
No one's responded to my question as to why ppt
Julian [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:40:47 +0100:
> I am happy to take it. But a question: with the more actively
> maintained dput now being quite mature, do we still need both dupload
> and dput?
>
*Ugh* Why are those nifty Perl scripts going to be replaced by Python
stuff?
(Don't t
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:29:02AM +0200, Tille, Andreas wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > I am happy to take it. But a question: with the more actively
> > maintained dput now being quite mature, do we still need both dupload
> > and dput?
>
> IMHO two tools with the same fun
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:29:04AM +, Wilmer van der Gaast wrote:
> > I am happy to take it. But a question: with the more actively
> > maintained dput now being quite mature, do we still need both dupload
> > and dput?
> >
> *Ugh* Why are those nifty Perl scripts going to be replaced by
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, [iso-8859-1] Jérôme Marant wrote:
> Welcome to the Free Software world.
Hmm, I've thought I would just be here. :)
> There are plenty of editors, MUA, MTA and so on because people
> want to have fun doing something (and often learning from this
> experience), even if i
On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 21:13, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 08:13:28AM +1200, David McNab wrote:
> > I'm trying to enable Ultra DMA on a woody system running a 2.4.17
> > kernel.
> >
> > I've enabled the applicable kernel options.
> >
> > CPU is Athlon 1700XP
> > Motherb
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Colin Watson wrote:
> > IMHO two tools with the same functionality are
> > 1. confusing for users
> > 2. waste of time for developers. They should spend their time
> > to make one better tool instead of two good tools.
>
> The implementation language really does make a
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:40:53AM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Mark Eichin wrote:
> > I was questioning the "exactly one release which hasn't been touched
> > in 14 months", rather than the actual number; it is a general rule
> > that the first public exposure of something is *not*
On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 02:36 , Jeff Licquia wrote:
Except that most of the crypto technology you used to find on Italian
and Dutch FTP servers was either code from the USA or (rather poorly)
algorithms from the USA.
Yes, that's because it was perfectly legal to print it out and
mail it, but
Previously Paul Slootman wrote:
> It's a pretty important package for those who use ADSL, at least here
> in the Netherlands.
Not if they tweak there modem which improves things generally
> madison on pandora doesn't say anything about it...
Try madison on auric?
Wichert.
--
___
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 10:15:45AM +1200, David McNab wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 21:13, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> > Ok, do the bootup messages say anything support for that chipset?
>
> In the bootup msgs, I'm getting 'VP_IDE: Unknown VIA Southbridge", for
> the VIA VT8233A chip.
Hmm,
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:57:00AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote:
> On Mon 08 Apr 2002, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 09:40:04AM -0700, David D.W. Downey wrote:
> > > Just wondering why libpam-pgsql was removed from the woody lineup.
> >
> > It has not. Check madison's output on pan
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-04-09
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: nel
Version : 0.3.0
Upstream Author : Nevrax Ltd. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.nevrax.org/
* License : GPL
Description : game engine library with 3d, net, sound, p
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:13:14PM +0200, Tille, Andreas wrote:
[..snip..]
> The same for bug/reportbug. Reportbug is much more developed and
> takes the user at his hand and lead through the report much more
> sophisticated than bug.
>
> It would be better for users if we would say: "Just use r
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:13:14PM +0200, Tille, Andreas wrote:
> > Same thing for simple tools.
> I can't see any real reason in which way two tools to upload Debian
> packages make Debian better. Please give an explanation for such
> stubborn and stupid people like me. In my eyes it would be
Hello,
We have the somewhat unusual situation that Heimdal build depends on
kerberoskth and kerberos4kth build depends on Heimdal.
kerberos4kth depends on heimdal because, this way it can share some low
level libraries which are included in Heimdal. Libraries that don't have
anything to do with K
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 10:02:47PM -0400, Thomas Hood wrote:
> While I don't regard the DFSG as already applying to
> documentation, the spirit of it is naturally extended to cover
> documentation. I would suggest that the GFDL is a reasonable
> license to use for free documentation --- free as in
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:14:55PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> > It would be better for users if we would say: "Just use reportbug
> > of you want to report a bug." Now we have to say you could use
> > reportbug or bug - just try it out and waste your time with this
> > trial. Or you could just
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:14:55PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
> Developers decide what they want to do with their time. Period.
> You are not in a position to decide what you want them to work on.
(Yawns) Once again, the defensive fury when someone asks a question.
Please, could you tell me
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:39:19PM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:09:39AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > > This isn't server friendly.
> >
> > no. sorry. I must say this:
> >
> > We can use rsync on the client site.
> > -> get a rsync-checksum file (use a
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:40:47AM +0100,
Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
a message of 24 lines which said:
> I am happy to take it.
Several people already stepped in (which, IMHO, replies to the "Do we
need dupload?" question). See the bug report. Josip Rodin was the
first one, even
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:28:14AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:14:55PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> > > It would be better for users if we would say: "Just use reportbug
> > > of you want to report a bug." Now we have to say you could use
> > > reportbug or bug - just
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, [iso-8859-1] Jérôme Marant wrote:
> Stop talking about one's time. I won't repeat myself.
The discussion started because someone stated that he has not enough
time. Moreover I talked about a second aspect: Confusing users.
I'll now save my time and stop posting to this thre
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:35:00AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:14:55PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
> > Developers decide what they want to do with their time. Period.
> > You are not in a position to decide what you want them to work on.
>
> (Yawns) Once again, th
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:58:24AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:39:19PM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> > I beleive this method is patented by somebody, which is why it's not in
> > use/supported.
> >
> > Other than that, it's very nice idea. I beleive there may
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:57:00AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote:
> > On Mon 08 Apr 2002, Colin Watson wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 09:40:04AM -0700, David D.W. Downey wrote:
> > > > Just wondering why libpam-pgsql was removed from the woody lineup.
>
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:57:45PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
> Stop this aggressive rant. Please read the thread and come back if you
> want to really discuss this a serious way.
Aggressive rant? You're the one who accused someone of somehow deciding
what people could work on.
> Internal
On Tue 09 Apr 2002, Tomas Pospisek's Mailing Lists wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:57:00AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote:
> > >
> > > On a related note:
> > > No one's responded to my question as to why pptp-linux was removed.
> > > Its last RC bug was r
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:37:31AM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
> > the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else
> > with your vmwa
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:53:44AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 02:11:00AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> > > > > - I would like to have templates with substitution fields.
> > > >
> > > > Already exists.
> > >
> > > Any references?
> >
> > How about the debconf manu
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:46:48AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > Internal examination. How about talking about those tons of orphaned
> > packages that noone uses rather that discussing about whether we have
> > to keep one out of two small tools which have both many users?
>
> An excelle
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:58:24AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:39:19PM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> > > I beleive this method is patented by somebody, which is why it's not in
> > > use/supported.
Possib
* David McNab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020409 03:11]:
> VIA VT8366A (KT266A) North bridge
> VIA VT8233A South Bridge
You didn't set the correct kernel options:
VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 89
VP_IDE: chipset revision 6
VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide: Assuming 33MH
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:43:20PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:40:47AM +0100,
> Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> a message of 24 lines which said:
>
> > I am happy to take it.
>
> Several people already stepped in (which, IMHO, replies to the "Do we
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:12:41AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 20:53, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Why should the DFSG have to worry about such philosophical questions?
> > Why isn't it enough to worry about the license?
> Because software isn't documentation?
> Think of it
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 03:24:42PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek's Mailing Lists wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:58:24AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:39:19PM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> > > > I beleive
On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 08:45, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 12:12:41AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> > Similarly, it would be a lot easier to just define documentation to be
> > software "for the purposes of the DFSG". But does it make sense?
>
> The alternative is that documentat
Quoting Marcelo E. Magallon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> http://people.debian.org/~mmagallo/packages/subversion/
Much appreciated!! But I have two things:
1) that directory isn't apt-gettable, the Packages.gz file is
missing... try "deb http://people.debian.org/~ssmeenk/ ./" for
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 10:24:34PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> Over the past few weeks most of the following packages have been removed
> from the upcoming release due to bugs and such [0].
>
> efingerd
this bug has been closed already for some time, and the
security is
Quoting Thom May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> As those of you who read slashdot know, Apache 2.0 was released last night.
> deb http://pandora.debian.org/~thom/apache2 ./
Very nice :) But I have 2 things:
1) Where's apache2-modules? Subversion depends on them!
2) Why is apache2 compiled against libd
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:49:49AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:37:31AM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
> > > the consequences
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:37:31AM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
> > the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else
> > with your vmwa
Hi,
>> Sander Smeenk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 1) that directory isn't apt-gettable, the Packages.gz file is
> missing... try "deb http://people.debian.org/~ssmeenk/ ./" for
> an aptable version :)
http://people.debian.org/~mmagallo/packages/subversion/ sid/i386/
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:09:39AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> hello
>
> we sould stop this and start after woody again...
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 08:17:46PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 04:55:17PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote:
> > > Sorry, diffs are simply silly! Use
On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 22:38, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 10:15:45AM +1200, David McNab wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 21:13, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> > > Ok, do the bootup messages say anything support for that chipset?
> >
> > In the bootup msgs, I'm getting
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:37:31AM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
> > > the consequences
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:02:14AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:53:44AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 02:11:00AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> > > > > > - I would like to have templates with substitution fields.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alread
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:13:45PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote:
> I have not closed the bug since point 2) is not fixed yet (will
> be rather quickly). Gee, I do not like people who submit
> zillions of unrelated bugs in one bugreport :-)
You now have the "clone" command to fix this.
http://www.
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Do you always need to repeat this?
>
> Yes.
..
> And yes, I think vmware is a waste of processing power and
> bandwith. Those posts also waste my time.
Filtering them out would save you more time, bandwidth and processing
power than replying in t
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:29:55PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > > I am happy to take it.
> >
> > Several people already stepped in (which, IMHO, replies to the "Do we
> > need dupload?" question). See the bug report. Josip Rodin was the
> > first one, even before I formally orphaned it.
>
> F
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:08:18AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> I think there's a consensus that the DFSG and Social Contract are poorly
> phrased; [...]
Uh, no, there's not. That you don't understand the terms, or misinterpret
them, doesn't mean they absolutely need to be changed.
Cheers,
aj
--
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > Do you really think it's a waste of
> > bandwidth and processing power to let the vmware users discuss a
> > problem caused by a change in _Debian_?
> First of all this isn't a Debian-specific change but a change in
> glibc. Second
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:10:20AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > And yes, I think vmware is a waste of processing power and
> > bandwith. Those posts also waste my time.
>
> Filtering them out would save you more time, bandwidth and processing
> powe
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> First of all this isn't a Debian-specific change but a change in
> glibc. Second vmware isn't Debian. Third Debian goes about free
> software, vmware isn't. This is clearly the wrong list, either go to
> some vmware list or go to the
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> That isn't my biggest concern.
Apparently. This implies, of course, that the additional bandwidth due
to those messages isn't the real problem.
> I don't think that advocating free software is a waste of those
> things.
Advocating free software isn'
On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 10:27, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:08:18AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> > I think there's a consensus that the DFSG and Social Contract are poorly
> > phrased; [...]
>
> Uh, no, there's not. That you don't understand the terms, or misinterpret
> them, do
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:36:15AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> It's more useful, I think, to look at it this way: there is a sense that
> the freedom we insist upon for executable code may not necessarily be
> appropriate for other kinds of information that may be found in a Debian
> package.
I r
Jeroen [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:30:54 +0200:
> And yes, I think vmware is a waste of processing power and
> bandwith. Those posts also waste my time.
>
Writing these posts probably takes (wastes) even more time.
> I got GNU/Linux to boot on plex86.
>
It'll reduce my XP1700+'s po
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:34:43PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:09:39AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > no. sorry. I must say this:
> >
> > We can use rsync on the client site.
> > -> get a rsync-checksum file (use a fix block size)
> > -> make the check on the
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:25:04PM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:58:24AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:39:19PM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
> > > I beleive this method is patented by somebody, which is why it's not in
> > > u
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:31:35AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > Do you really think it's a waste of
> > > bandwidth and processing power to let the vmware users discuss a
> > > problem caused by a change in _Debian_?
> > First o
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:46:33AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > That isn't my biggest concern.
>
> Apparently. This implies, of course, that the additional bandwidth due
> to those messages isn't the real problem.
I never claimed that. I was asked
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Joseph Carter wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 09:53:54AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> > > > DFSG stand for "Debian Free Software Guidelines".
> > >
> > > Yes, and since Debian is 100% Free Software, that applies to everything
> > > in Debian.
> >
> > Documentation isn't sof
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 05:34:35PM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > First of all this isn't a Debian-specific change but a change in
> > glibc. Second vmware isn't Debian. Third Debian goes about free
> > software, vmware isn't. Th
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Michael Bramer wrote:
> -> make the check on the client site and
> -> download the file partly per ftp/http
> -> make the new file with the old and downloaded parts
>
> With this the server need only extra rsync-checksum files.
Rumor around rsync circles is that this
* Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I agreed with the social contract, but I think it should be
> changed. Some parts are just wrong, other things are confusing.
That certainly looks like a contradiction to me. How do you agree with
it if you feel it's wrong?
> To talk about the socia
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:29:14PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:31:35AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > First of all this isn't a Debian-specific change but a change in
> > > glibc. Second vmware isn'
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
> the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else
> with your vmware problems. (Debian does support plex86 and bochs, BTW)
As this might be
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:21:49PM -0500, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:29:14PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:31:35AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > > First of all this isn't a
Joey Hess wrote:
>> Protecting the freedom of this form of speech requires a somewhat
>> different strategy from the one used to protect the freedom to copy
>> source code.
> Freedom of software and freedom of speech are two entirely
> different animals, and attempting to confuse them as you do
>
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
> > the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else
> > with your vmware
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:13:25PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > I agreed with the social contract, but I think it should be
> > changed. Some parts are just wrong, other things are confusing.
>
> That certainly looks like a contradiction to me. Ho
>>"Anthony" == Anthony Towns writes:
Anthony> How about correcting a supposedly historical document, for
Anthony> example, taking a document that describes Windows as the
Anthony> progenitor of the trend for GUIs, and adding some
Anthony> explanation about Apple and Xerox and suchlike?
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:53:59PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
> > > the consequence
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
> > the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else
> > with your vmware
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:03:11PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> The history section in my book, which is declared invarient in the
> license, was written by Ian M. and has no technical bearing on the rest of
> the book's content, but has every reason to be "protected" from
> modification. These par
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