Re: [DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd (update-inetd replacement)

2012-02-16 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:13:26AM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 02/16/2012 12:22 AM, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote: > > hi Goswin, > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 02:27:48PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote > > [edited]: > >> One thing though: Can I add my own local fragments? Is there a fragment

Re: [DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd (update-inetd replacement)

2012-02-16 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 09:41:40AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote [edited]: [..] > Putting local config into /usr/share is wrong though. the answer to all local policy questions is: like you always did; you edit inetd.conf. /usr/share/reconf-inetd fragments are input to a *maintainer* tool. yo

Re: [DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd (update-inetd replacement)

2012-02-16 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 02/16/2012 12:22 AM, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote: > hi Goswin, > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 02:27:48PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote [edited]: >> One thing though: Can I add my own local fragments? Is there a fragment >> dir in /etc for that? > > you can, and they should also go to /usr/share/

Re: [DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd (update-inetd replacement)

2012-02-16 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Serafeim Zanikolas writes: > hi Goswin, > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 02:27:48PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote [edited]: >> One thing though: Can I add my own local fragments? Is there a fragment >> dir in /etc for that? > > you can, and they should also go to /usr/share/reconf-inetd (as long a

Re: [DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd (update-inetd replacement)

2012-02-15 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
hi Goswin, On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 02:27:48PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote [edited]: > One thing though: Can I add my own local fragments? Is there a fragment > dir in /etc for that? you can, and they should also go to /usr/share/reconf-inetd (as long as the filenames don't conflict with any

Re: [DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd (update-inetd replacement)

2012-02-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Jackson writes: > Serafeim Zanikolas writes ("Re: [DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd > (update-inetd replacement)"): >> Any local sysadmin changes must be done in inetd.conf, as always. >> >> The choice of /usr/share/ follows from two of the r

Re: [DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd (update-inetd replacement)

2012-02-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Serafeim Zanikolas writes ("Re: [DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd (update-inetd replacement)"): > Any local sysadmin changes must be done in inetd.conf, as always. > > The choice of /usr/share/ follows from two of the requirements I > have set from the beginning fo

Re: [DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd (update-inetd replacement)

2012-02-13 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
Hi Ian, First of all, thanks for the feedback. On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:36:40PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Serafeim Zanikolas writes ("[DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd > (update-inetd replacement)"): > > To test it, in a nutshell: > > > > - make

Re: [DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd (update-inetd replacement)

2012-02-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Serafeim Zanikolas writes ("[DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd (update-inetd replacement)"): > To test it, in a nutshell: > > - make your package install xinetd.conf(5) fragment files in > /usr/share/reconf-inetd/, one file per service that needs an entry

[DEP9] call for testing of reconf-inetd (update-inetd replacement)

2012-02-10 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
Hi, reconf-inetd is the replacement of update-inetd, as per DEP9. Unlike past proposals for replacing update-inetd, this one is actually implemented and available in experimental. This should be of interest for services that - require separate inetd.conf entries for ipv4/ipv6 versions

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-15 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
2009 at 09:40:51PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > > but the primary benefits are making inetd support in maintainer scripts > > > > both robust and idempotent. > > > > update-inetd in its present form can already be used to achieve this. > > > I beg t

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-15 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Guillem Jover | The other one I can offer is update-exim4.conf, which is the default | from several ways to handle the exim4 configuration. But something I've | always found pretty confusing and always switched my boxes to use the | monolithic configuration file in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf. I'd w

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-08 Thread Guillem Jover
On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 13:59:48 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 09:40:51PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > There are many obvious examples of update-foo scripts which behave in > > this manner. The requirement to run a script to update the working > > configuration is nothing n

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-08 Thread Guillem Jover
any > > > manual > > > changes will be made effective by running update-inetd > > > > I think this violates the principle of least surprise (restarting the daemon > > after making your changes has been enough to make those changes take effect > > since the

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
scripts > > > both robust and idempotent. > > update-inetd in its present form can already be used to achieve this. > I beg to differ. update-inetd assumes that a service name (``ftp'') is > sufficient to enable, disable and remove a service, whereas to be

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-07 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 01:59:48PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote [edited]: > On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 09:40:51PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > but the primary benefits are making inetd support in maintainer scripts > > both robust and idempotent. > > update-inetd in its presen

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 11:19:02PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:54:19PM +0200, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote: > > > * document that local policy will live in /etc/inetd.conf.d/ and any > > > manual > > > changes will be made effecti

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-07 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 22:02:21 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:54:19PM +0200, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote: > > * document that local policy will live in /etc/inetd.conf.d/ and any manual > > changes will be made effective by running update-inetd &g

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-07 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 10:02:21PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:54:19PM +0200, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote: > > As the new vict^Wmaintainer of update-inetd, I'd appreciate a review of the > > proposal below to migrate it to dpkg triggers [0] >

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
ting inetds?), but the primary benefits are making inetd support > in maintainer scripts both robust and idempotent. update-inetd in its present form can already be used to achieve this. Unfortunately, the runes to accomplish it are rather underdocumented; but I think the right way to ad

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-07 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 11:30:25PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Sep 04, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote: > > > As the new vict^Wmaintainer of update-inetd, I'd appreciate a review of the > > proposal below to migrate it to dpkg triggers [0] > Maybe you could ha

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-07 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
ainer > (which is another reason why you should have discussed this first with > the other maintainers involved). > /etc/inetd.conf is a well known UNIX interface and it must continue to > be supported, at least for locally-configured services. Actually, my initial goal was to just cl

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 04, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote: > As the new vict^Wmaintainer of update-inetd, I'd appreciate a review of the > proposal below to migrate it to dpkg triggers [0] Maybe you could have discussed it with the former maintainer, so I could have explained why I never implemented the

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-05 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 10:02:21PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote [edited]: > On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:54:19PM +0200, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote: > Invocations of update-inetd that lead to local policy overrides are bugs in > the caller, not in update-inetd. There is an explicitly reserve

Re: RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 09:54:19PM +0200, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote: > As the new vict^Wmaintainer of update-inetd, I'd appreciate a review of the > proposal below to migrate it to dpkg triggers [0] > The Current Messy State of Affairs > update-inetd script is problematic (maint

RFC: update-inetd migration to dpkp-triggers

2009-09-04 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
Hello world, As the new vict^Wmaintainer of update-inetd, I'd appreciate a review of the proposal below to migrate it to dpkg triggers [0] The Current Messy State of Affairs update-inetd script is problematic (maintainer scripts use it to update the /etc/inetd.conf conffile leading to

Re: OK to reduce priority of update-inetd to optional?

2009-09-03 Thread Patrick Matthäi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Serafeim Zanikolas schrieb: > Hi, > > Is it OK to reduce update-inetd's priority to optional, to agree with the > archive admin's override? (It should be, as all its rdepends are at most > optional) > > It should be Priority: standard only if people

OK to reduce priority of update-inetd to optional?

2009-09-03 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
Hi, Is it OK to reduce update-inetd's priority to optional, to agree with the archive admin's override? (It should be, as all its rdepends are at most optional) It should be Priority: standard only if people use it interactively, and expect it to be part of a standard installation (but I'm guessi

Depending on update-inetd [was: Re: Bug Sprint - Oct 25 to Oct 30 - Register and eat cookies]

2008-10-21 Thread James Westby
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:39 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I'm not sure that filing lots of bugs about missing Depends on > update-inetd really delays the release. Chris Lamb is fixing those bugs > faster than I file them anyway ;) You mean like this one? http://bugs.debi

Bug#472470: RFH: update-inetd -- inetd.conf updater

2008-03-24 Thread Luk Claes
Package: wnpp Severity: normal I request assistance with maintaining the update-inetd package. I've quite recently taken over the maintainership of update-inetd. Any help on bug triage and/or co-maintainership would be welcomed. The package description is: This package provides a program

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-08-08 Thread David Lopez Zajara (Er_Maqui)
ot that good and my spare time not that much that I can read any mail > in the list; sorry. > > However: > >>> be installed too. Xinetd do disable such a inetd in postinstall script. >> Yes, the xinetd package needs to be integrated with the rest of Debian. > > I

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-08-01 Thread Russ Allbery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > So far this case has not been handled automatically and I do not think > it is worth supporting because it would require creating stand-alone > update-inetd packages for each kind of inetd. I'm not at all surprised if there's so

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-08-01 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 01, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Again, the update-inetd interface is formally provided by > > inet-superserver and not by update-inetd. > So there's no allowance for a package that wants to interface with inetd if > it's installed,

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-08-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 12:42:02PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > The rationale for samba depending on update-inetd was that samba does *not* > > depend on the availability of an inet superserver; it only depends on the > > availability of the update-inetd interface, in o

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-30 Thread Russ Allbery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Jul 31, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm at a bit of a loss now as to whether to change lintian's checks or >> not, although I did update the long description of that tag to not push >> depending

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 31, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FWIW, presently the only inet-superserver package that doesn't depend on > > update-inetd is rlinetd, and it diverts /usr/sbin/update-inetd rather > > than conflicting. > That seems wrong to me, too, although i

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 10:46:30PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Couldn't any inet-superserver package that provides its own >> update-inetd also Provide: update-inetd? Wouldn't that fix the >> problem? It has

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 10:46:30PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Couldn't any inet-superserver package that provides its own update-inetd > also Provide: update-inetd? Wouldn't that fix the problem? It has to > Conflict with update-inetd anyway. FWIW, presently the only inet-

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-30 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mo den 30. Jul 2007 um 13:34 schrieb Marco d'Itri: > > Hmmm, Wrong in my opinion. If xinetd would have its own update-inetd and > > software is installed in xinetd and $ADMIN decides to switch back to > > traditional ine

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 30, Klaus Ethgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmmm, Wrong in my opinion. If xinetd would have its own update-inetd and > software is installed in xinetd and $ADMIN decides to switch back to > traditional inetd the configuration

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-30 Thread Klaus Ethgen
il in the list; sorry. However: > > be installed too. Xinetd do disable such a inetd in postinstall script. > Yes, the xinetd package needs to be integrated with the rest of Debian. I agree. > > However. What I did explain is that xinetd do not need to have a > >

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Robert Collins
On Sun, 2007-07-29 at 16:22 +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > > But: AFAIU, /etc/inetd.conf is now owned by any package, because it's > used by > several packages and updated by update-inetd. I think it makes sense > for > service packages, like samba, to update inetd.conf

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Sunday 29 July 2007 16:22, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > But: AFAIU, /etc/inetd.conf is now owned by any package, because it's used Just to make myself clear: s/now/not/ -- Magnus Holmgren[EMAIL PROTECTED] (No Cc of list mail needed, thanks) "Exim is better at bei

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
quot; inetd completely. But today the traditional inetd has to > be installed too. Xinetd do disable such a inetd in postinstall script. Yes, the xinetd package needs to be integrated with the rest of Debian. > However. What I did explain is that xinetd do not need to have a > update

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 29, Magnus Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So you're saying that inet-superservers that use the traditional inetd.conf > should depend on update-inetd as their way of implementing the update-inetd > interface. Packages that provide services to be served

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Magnus Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But: AFAIU, /etc/inetd.conf is now owned by any package, because it's > used by several packages and updated by update-inetd. I think it makes > sense for service packages, like samba, to update inetd.conf even though >

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Russ Allbery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Jul 29, Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Isn't openbsd-inetd priority:standard? That's enough to make the >> real-package unnecessary, afaik (and that lets the default inetd be >> changed simply by changing the priorities of the packages, ra

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marco, Am So den 29. Jul 2007 um 13:57 schrieb Marco d'Itri: > > The update-inetd package is finally a good way to have a system with no > > inetd installed (or the ill situation that two (inetd and xinetd) are > >

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Sunday 29 July 2007 12:42, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jul 29, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The rationale for samba depending on update-inetd was that samba does > > *not* depend on the availability of an inet superserver; it only depends > > o

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Michael Holzt
> I don't know exactly how it happened, but a large number of maintainers > apparently ignored the discussions on this list and added to their > packages a dependency on update-inetd. Are you asking for a flamewar? I really don't see any justification for beeing attacked b

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 29, Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would even be more helpful if this could be summarized *and* filed > as bugs with a clear suggestion of what should be done. I'm maybe a Depend/Recommend/Suggest just "inet-superserver" or "openbsd-inet | inet-superserver" (depending if

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 29, Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't openbsd-inetd priority:standard? That's enough to make the > real-package unnecessary, afaik (and that lets the default inetd be > changed simply by changing the priorities of the packages, rather than > the dependencies of lots of packag

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 29, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The rationale for samba depending on update-inetd was that samba does *not* > depend on the availability of an inet superserver; it only depends on the > availability of the update-inetd interface, in order for its maintainer &

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:31:10 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: >Probably not, but in this case common sense would have been enough since >update-inetd does not depend on anything else. Common sense? Is that the thing one cannot commonly expect? Gre

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-29 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 03:59:13AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jul 29, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So is anything ever valid other than openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver as a > > dependency? I keep getting confused on the rules around using virtual > > packages. Would rlinetd |

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-28 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The rationale for samba depending on update-inetd was that samba does > *not* depend on the availability of an inet superserver; it only depends > on the availability of the update-inetd interface, in order for its > maintainer script

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 12:57:03AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > I don't know exactly how it happened, but a large number of maintainers > apparently ignored the discussions on this list and added to their > packages a dependency on update-inetd. > This is *TOTALLY WRONG*

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-28 Thread Christian Perrier
> It might be helpful if you could summarise what packages are supposed to > be doing here - this may even affect enough packages to warrant a mail > to debian-devel-announce. I don't recall ever seeing an announcement > about this and I imagine that even among those maintainers who read this > li

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 29, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So is anything ever valid other than openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver as a > dependency? I keep getting confused on the rules around using virtual > packages. Would rlinetd | inet-superserver be okay? Would Formally yes, but I do not think th

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-28 Thread Russ Allbery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Jul 29, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Currently, lintian allows any combination of dependencies on the >> following packages to satisfy the dependency requirement from calling >> update-inetd in maintainer

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
ian-devel > discussions (as is clear from the fact that I apparently got the lintian > check wrong). Is this documented somewhere that anyone could expect to > find it? Probably not, but in this case common sense would have been enough since update-inetd does not depend on anything el

Re: update-inetd don't update xinetd.conf

2007-07-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 24, Magnus Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, you have proposed that all superserver packages provide their own > update-inetd implementation, which is fine and simple enough, except that > it's not clear how the configuration would be transferred when o

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-28 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 12:57:03AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > I don't know exactly how it happened, but a large number of maintainers > apparently ignored the discussions on this list and added to their > packages a dependency on update-inetd. > This is *TOTALLY WRONG*

Re: stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-28 Thread Russ Allbery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > I don't know exactly how it happened, but a large number of maintainers > apparently ignored the discussions on this list and added to their > packages a dependency on update-inetd. > This is *TOTALLY WRONG* because the /usr/sbin/

stupid dependencies on update-inetd

2007-07-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
I don't know exactly how it happened, but a large number of maintainers apparently ignored the discussions on this list and added to their packages a dependency on update-inetd. This is *TOTALLY WRONG* because the /usr/sbin/update-inetd interface is guaranteed to be provided by whatever imple

Re: update-inetd don't update xinetd.conf

2007-07-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Magnus Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Perhaps not, but the possibility to just drop a configuration snippet in > a ".d" directory, instead of having to mess with a single configuration > file, is appealing IMHO. Russ: May I ask why you don't like xinetd? A bad taste left over from Red Hat

Re: update-inetd don't update xinetd.conf

2007-07-24 Thread Magnus Holmgren
is appealing IMHO. Russ: May I ask why you don't like xinetd? > > xinetd, and update-inetd can use the information, which is a superset > > (right?) of that used by other inetd's, to update the old-school > > inetd.conf. > > A simpler fix is to create an update-inetd

Re: update-inetd don't update xinetd.conf

2007-07-23 Thread Pierre Habouzit
s proposal is that every package using a super server would have to be updated, but OTOH that is not a big number of packages: $ grep-dctrl -s Package -FDepends netkit-inetd -o -FDepends inet-superserver -o -FDepends update-inetd \ /var/lib/apt/lists/mad_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-amd64

Re: update-inetd don't update xinetd.conf

2007-07-23 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
> However, even more importantly than the discussion of possible solutions, > we need an implementation. If you have a solution, please *implement* it > (and in a way that doesn't make large parts of Debian buggy, which means > being backwardly compatible) and I bet you'll be able to build a cons

Re: update-inetd don't update xinetd.conf

2007-07-23 Thread Marco d'Itri
ot something important enough to justify it. > xinetd, and update-inetd can use the information, which is a superset > (right?) of that used by other inetd's, to update the old-school inetd.conf. A simpler fix is to create an update-inetd program which will update the xinetd configuration

Re: update-inetd don't update xinetd.conf

2007-07-23 Thread Russ Allbery
bout what people think of your solution. Personally, I dislike xinetd and don't want to use it, but I don't have a problem using its format as the input format (it's better than what update-inetd uses now). However, any replacement update-inetd also has to support the old form

Re: update-inetd don't update xinetd.conf

2007-07-23 Thread Magnus Holmgren
work with xinetd, and update-inetd can use the information, which is a superset (right?) of that used by other inetd's, to update the old-school inetd.conf. I think the situation is similar to the Debian menu .menu vs .desktop debate, where the .desktop files contain a superset of the informat

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-14 Thread Peter Palfrader
grade, and then reenable the entries after upgrade > > > > is complete? > > > > No, they shouldn't, because this loses local modifications to the > > > inetd.conf > > > line. > > > Actually it doesn't. > > > If you call update-i

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-14 Thread Steve Langasek
gt; is complete? > > No, they shouldn't, because this loses local modifications to the inetd.conf > > line. > Actually it doesn't. > If you call update-inetd with --disable in prerm it just prepends > "## " to your line (if the service is enabled), and when you c

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-14 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi, Am Sa den 13. Jan 2007 um 1:18 schrieb Roger Leigh: > > c) update-inetd should default to creating none unless explicitly told > >to. This has the advantage of staying secure if a dau admin install a > >package accid

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-14 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 13, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this has a rather simple solution (for lenny?). It does not, since there are multiple inet superserver daemons with incompatible configuration file formats. Now that I finally have been allowed to split update-inetd fro

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-13 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 01:40:21PM +1100, Brian May wrote: >> We really need a constant way of dealing with this in package updates. > >> Currently I have two very opposing views, and not entirely convinced >> in either of them. > >> http://lists.debian

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-13 Thread Peter Palfrader
ions to the inetd.conf > line. Actually it doesn't. If you call update-inetd with --disable in prerm it just prepends "## " to your line (if the service is enabled), and when you call it in postinst with --enable it will remove the "## ". Running --enable will not touch

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 01:40:21PM +1100, Brian May wrote: > We really need a constant way of dealing with this in package updates. > Currently I have two very opposing views, and not entirely convinced > in either of them. > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/12/msg00279.html > vs > htt

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-12 Thread Roger Leigh
Klaus Ethgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have a another: > > Am Do den 11. Jan 2007 um 23:14 schrieb Roger Leigh: >> a) Every package calling update-inetd should call it twice; once for >>IPv4, and again for IPv6. This would require all packages to be >&g

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-12 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have a another: Am Do den 11. Jan 2007 um 23:14 schrieb Roger Leigh: > a) Every package calling update-inetd should call it twice; once for >IPv4, and again for IPv6. This would require all packages to be >updated. > b) update-

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 11, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The solution to this could be > a) Every package calling update-inetd should call it twice; once for >IPv4, and again for IPv6. This would require all packages to be >updated. > b) update-inetd should default to

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-12 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Guillem Jover wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 13:40:21 +1100, Brian May wrote: > > We really need a constant way of dealing with this in package updates. > > > > It seems to boil down to: > > > > * should packages disable inetd config entries on removal and in > > pr

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-11 Thread Guillem Jover
hat is the > maintainer has decided the majority of users will not need it? I'm installing entries disabled by default, and although my current approach feels a bit dirty, seems to work. For example the snippets for inetutils-telnetd: ,--- postinst if [ "$1" = "configure"

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-11 Thread Roger Leigh
Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I used to have proftpd in inetd.conf but with a increase connection > limit value and on every update the update-inetd would complain that > the entry it expects differs from the one found. > > That should be fixed if it is

Re: update-inetd

2007-01-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
at about entries that should be disabled by default? That is the > maintainer has decided the majority of users will not need it? > > * is solving this worthy of etch? > -- > Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I used to have proftpd in inetd.conf but with a increase connection

update-inetd

2007-01-10 Thread Brian May
We really need a constant way of dealing with this in package updates. Currently I have two very opposing views, and not entirely convinced in either of them. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/12/msg00279.html vs http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401258;msg=98 It seems t

Re: update-inetd

2006-12-11 Thread Brian May
> "Brian" == Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Andreas" == Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: OBAndreas> I don't think one needs to touch inetd.conf at all (or Andreas> any other service description) during upgrades, at least Andreas> not as long as not changes to

Re: update-inetd

2006-12-11 Thread Brian May
> "Andreas" == Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andreas> I don't think one needs to touch inetd.conf at all (or Andreas> any other service description) during upgrades, at least Andreas> not as long as not changes to the service are Andreas> necessary. I would rather r

Re: update-inetd

2006-12-11 Thread Andreas Barth
* Brian May ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061211 15:54]: > I strongly suspect the problem is the code (I copied elsewhere) that > disables the service on upgrades and then re-enables it again after > the upgrade is finished (hmmm seems broken just thinking about > it). > > Anyway, in this case, the ser

update-inetd

2006-12-07 Thread Brian May
Hello, Are there any good examples on the "correct way" of maintaining inetd.conf entries in Debian maintainer scripts? It appears Heimdal gets this wrong: http://bugs.debian.org/401258 I strongly suspect the problem is the code (I copied elsewhere) that disables the service on upgrades and the

Re: update-inetd and xinetd

2006-02-14 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 08:37:26AM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > I realise that update-inetd needs to be more flexible than just servicing > xinetd and netkit-inetd style configurations though... What do you mean by "more flexible"? IMHO update-inetd should implement just the mi

Re: update-inetd and xinetd

2006-02-14 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 13, Andrew Pollock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been wanting to see netkit-inetd gone from base for many many years > now. Once, aj told me what needed to be done, and I think I even wrote it > down. Somewhere. I just have to find it again... This follows the usual pattern: I explain w

Re: update-inetd and xinetd

2006-02-13 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 05:09:32PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 13, Klaus Ethgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > However it whould be great if update-inetd could create a file in > Many new features in update-inetd would be great, but nobody ever > finishe

Re: update-inetd and xinetd

2006-02-13 Thread Marco d'Itri
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 13, Klaus Ethgen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However it whould be great if update-inetd could create a file in Many new features in update-inetd would be great, but nobody ever finished implementing them. - -- ciao, Marco -

update-inetd and xinetd

2006-02-13 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I use the xinetd and like it much if the compatibility mode is switched off. However it whould be great if update-inetd could create a file in /etc/xinetd.d with "disabled = yes". Moreover it whould be nice if update-inetd co