Re: tlsa for smtp to bugs.debian.org

2013-09-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Thorsten Glaser writes: > Only if it provides secrecy. > If one of the communication partners (say, the client, because it’s on a > mobile) uses a guessable secret (say, due to lack of entropy), the > session is lost. I think that statement is somewhat too absolute. There are levels of protect

Re: tlsa for smtp to bugs.debian.org

2013-09-17 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Ian Jackson chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes: > > Curiously, the optional ephemeral Diffie-Hellman part of the TLS > > protocol runs in plaintext, which means that it can be attacked > > directly, without bothering to attack the RSA part. As a result, that > I diagree. Forward secrecy is general

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-15 Thread James Cloos
> "KR" == Kurt Roeckx writes: KR> A self-signed cert's signature algorithm really isn't that KR> important. You either trust that cert or you don't. Which KR> is why openssl started to ignore this for root CAs. I'm not KR> sure what gnutls does with it. Thanks. That is most reasonable.

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-14 Thread Ian Jackson
Florian Weimer writes ("Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org"): >* Bastian Blank: >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:51:06PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: >>> I think gnutls by default has a minimum size of 727 for the DH >>> size while openssl doesn't have any c

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Bastian Blank: > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:51:06PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: >> I think gnutls by default has a minimum size of 727 for the DH >> size while openssl doesn't have any check for this. But if you're >> using DH you really want to move to something like 2048 if >> possible. > > Thi

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-13 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:31:38PM +0200, Paul Wise wrote: > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > A self-signed cert's signature algorithm really isn't that > > important. You either trust that cert or you don't. > > Surely this work would apply to self-signed certs too? >

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-13 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:51:06PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > I think gnutls by default has a minimum size of 727 for the DH > size while openssl doesn't have any check for this. But if you're > using DH you really want to move to something like 2048 if > possible. This prime size is pretty irre

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > A self-signed cert's signature algorithm really isn't that > important. You either trust that cert or you don't. Surely this work would apply to self-signed certs too? http://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/rogue-ca/ -- bye, pabs http://wiki.de

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-13 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:51:06PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > The problem in the referenced URI is that gnutls refuses to tolerate > > a less secure DH key size. Here, gnutls refuses to tolerate a less > > secure hash algorithm. > > I think gnutls by default has a minimum size of 727 for the D

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-13 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 09:29:30AM -0400, James Cloos wrote: > > The root problem (pardon the pun) is that cacert's root certificate is > signed with md5 and gnutls doesn't like that. A self-signed cert's signature algorithm really isn't that important. You either trust that cert or you don't.

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-13 Thread James Cloos
> "Md" == Marco d'Itri writes: Md> Maybe it is related to this? Md> http://www.postfix.org/announcements/postfix-2.10.2.html It is related, but different. The root problem (pardon the pun) is that cacert's root certificate is signed with md5 and gnutls doesn't like that. When I use gnutls

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-13 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 12, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > 2013-09-12 02:35:44 TLS error on connection from ore.jhcloos.com > [198.147.23.85] (gnutls_handshake): The signature algorithm is not supported. Maybe it is related to this? http://www.postfix.org/announcements/postfix-2.10.2.html TLS Interoperability workar

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-13 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, James Cloos said: > I'll try to trigger it on a cloud server with debugging turned up and > get a more detailed debug log. > > Which release does buxtehude run? Wheezy? Yes. Can we have a copy of your public cert to see if we can see anything? Cheers, -- ---

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-12 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] James Cloos No need to Cc me. [...] > Which release does buxtehude run? Wheezy? Yes. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-12 Thread James Cloos
> "TFH" == Tollef Fog Heen writes: TFH> It's usually a good idea to mail the people who actually run the TFH> debian.org systems if you want help debugging problems like this. The first note, as I wrote, was an attempt to confirm whether the problem was limited to @bugs's MX. Given the firs

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-12 Thread James Cloos
> "SG" == Stephen Gran writes: SG> You've confirmed that postfix can talk to postfix, at least. I SG> suppose that's a start. The debian.org MXs are different machines SG> to lists, and they run exim. Yeah. I noticed that after I sent the first note. I had checked the @deb MXs, but forgo

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-11 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, James Cloos said: > This seems to be an openssl vs exim issue. Yes, we've had more than one of them. Please add to the open bugs in the BTS about any issues with the Debian build of exim and openssl. > I'm sending this here to confirm whether the @deb MXs work Y

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-11 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] James Cloos It's usually a good idea to mail the people who actually run the debian.org systems if you want help debugging problems like this. > It turned out that buxtehude's exim doesn't like the (cacert-signed, > wildcard) cert my box offers when sending mail. 2013-09-12 02:35:44 TLS erro

Re: tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-11 Thread James Cloos
It turned out that buxtehude's exim doesn't like the (cacert-signed, wildcard) cert my box offers when sending mail. Blocking that allowed the TLS negotiation to complete, resulting in: Verified TLS connection established to buxtehude.debian.org[140.211.166.26]:25: TLSv1.2 with cipher D

tlsa for smtp to @bugs.debian.org

2013-09-11 Thread James Cloos
First of all, thanks for adding the TLSA RR for _25._tcp.buxtehude.debian.org. It is a significant step forward, even given the following. Sadly, using postfix 2.11-20130825-1 for outgoing smtp with: smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer = yes smtp_use_tls = yes smtp_dns_support_level = dnssec sm