opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-10-25 Thread Török Edvin
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 14:21, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Javier Fernandez-Sanguino: > >> This really sounds like there is a "use case" for data-only >> "packages" that: > > Is clamav-data really data-only?  Other AV software ships some sort of > code even in signature updates (as opposed to engine

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-22 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 02:13:38PM +0200, Javier Fernandez-Sanguino a écrit : > > This really sounds like there is a "use case" for data-only "packages" that: > > - do not include maintainer scripts (dpkg refuses to run them) or are > only allowed a set of limited tasks (run in a restricted shell

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-22 Thread Florian Weimer
* Javier Fernandez-Sanguino: > This really sounds like there is a "use case" for data-only > "packages" that: Is clamav-data really data-only? Other AV software ships some sort of code even in signature updates (as opposed to engine updates). > - do not include maintainer scripts (dpkg refuses

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-22 Thread Javier Fernandez-Sanguino
2009/9/20 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh : > On Sun, 20 Sep 2009, Marc Haber wrote: >> As long as you do not expect me to manually sign every single upload, > > Why not?  It is a package, it has root access anywhere it is being installed > or removed.  Even if you abuse the DM machinery to have a key

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-22 Thread Hilko Bengen
* Philipp Kern: > On 2009-09-21, Hilko Bengen wrote: >> I have written and maintained scripts that download signature file >> updates for several commercial antivirus scanners and built packages for >> them -- which is pretty much the same thing that clamav-getfiles does. >> 10 updates to the sig

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-21 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, James Vega wrote: > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh > wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Marc Haber wrote: > >> And people know that the package is built automatically. All users I > >> know especially opted in to using the package instead of freshcl

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-21 Thread James Vega
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Marc Haber wrote: >> And people know that the package is built automatically. All users I >> know especially opted in to using the package instead of freshclam for >> some-or-other reason. > > WHERE is that

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-21 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Marc Haber wrote: > And people know that the package is built automatically. All users I > know especially opted in to using the package instead of freshclam for > some-or-other reason. WHERE is that information published? I don't see it in the package description, and I don'

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-21 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-09-21, Hilko Bengen wrote: > I have written and maintained scripts that download signature file > updates for several commercial antivirus scanners and built packages for > them -- which is pretty much the same thing that clamav-getfiles does. > 10 updates to the signature files per day ar

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-21 Thread Hilko Bengen
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: > On Sun, 20 Sep 2009, Marc Haber wrote: >> As long as you do not expect me to manually sign every single upload, > Why not? ClamAV, like about every other antivirus scanner, is used to fight rapidly moving targets. It relies on current -data files to provide any

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-21 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:52:48 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: >The time complaining in this thread could probably better spent by >talking to ftpmas...@d.o and implementing a solution btw. Why do I need to actively talk to ftpmaster when it's them wanting to implement changes to a setup which has been imp

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-20 Thread Luk Claes
Marc Haber wrote: > On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:28:30 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh > wrote: >> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009, Marc Haber wrote: > No. The process runs on a virtual machine on a host privately owned > and operated by the previous ftpmaster of Debian volatile, and was > carefully designed in

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:28:30 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: >On Sun, 20 Sep 2009, Marc Haber wrote: >> As long as you do not expect me to manually sign every single upload, > >Why not? Because nobody pays me to spend an hour a day to sign packages. We had three full cycles since I wen

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-20 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009, Marc Haber wrote: > As long as you do not expect me to manually sign every single upload, Why not? It is a package, it has root access anywhere it is being installed or removed. Even if you abuse the DM machinery to have a key restricted to only upload clamav-data, it would

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:10:45 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: >Hmm, nothing is black and white. The current way of uploading >clamav-data is suboptimal and ftpmasters don't want that to continue >when volatile is integrated in the main archive. Though that does not >mean there are no alternatives. Back the

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile

2009-09-20 Thread Luk Claes
Marc Haber wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:52:17 + (UTC), Philipp Kern > wrote: >> On 2009-09-19, Marc Haber wrote: >>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:56:07 + (UTC), Philipp Kern >>> wrote: On 2009-09-18, Tom Feiner wrote: > Looks like this method works well for clamav-data and other s

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile (was: Packages that download/install unsecured files)

2009-09-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:52:17 + (UTC), Philipp Kern wrote: >On 2009-09-19, Marc Haber wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:56:07 + (UTC), Philipp Kern >> wrote: >>>On 2009-09-18, Tom Feiner wrote: Looks like this method works well for clamav-data and other similar packages whi

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile (was: Packages that download/install unsecured files)

2009-09-19 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-09-19, Marc Haber wrote: > On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:56:07 + (UTC), Philipp Kern > wrote: >>On 2009-09-18, Tom Feiner wrote: >>> Looks like this method works well for clamav-data and other similar packages >>> which needs to update databases frequently on stable/oldstable. >>clamav-data

Re: opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile (was: Packages that download/install unsecured files)

2009-09-19 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, Marc Haber wrote: > Why does the person responsible for these uploads not know about this > opposition? Why was the person doing the significant work not informed > about the fact that every single minute put into the package is wasted > anyway? Because nothing happened yet a

opposition against clamav-data in debian volatile (was: Packages that download/install unsecured files)

2009-09-19 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:56:07 + (UTC), Philipp Kern wrote: >On 2009-09-18, Tom Feiner wrote: >> Looks like this method works well for clamav-data and other similar packages >> which needs to update databases frequently on stable/oldstable. > >clamav-data is scheduled for deletion as soon as vo