Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-02-06 Thread Gerrit Pape
On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 12:09:42PM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: > Now that maintainers realized that one might like a package installed, > but perhaps only plans to use it unoften, it only makes sense for not > starting at boot to be offered as a friendly configuration option, > instead of needing so

Re: policy-rc.d confusion (was: not starting packages at boot)

2005-01-26 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:03:16 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Marc Haber wrote: >> So policy-rc.d needs to be in /usr/local, or we have a FHS violation. > >Please request that we enhance invoke-rc.d to look on /usr/local first, >then (through a wis

Re: policy-rc.d confusion (was: not starting packages at boot)

2005-01-25 Thread Gerrit Pape
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:32:02AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > So policy-rc.d needs to be in /usr/local, or we have a FHS violation. > Additionally, the requirement of going through the alternatives system > for policy-rc.d selection is somewhat mis-placed, because it suggests > to me that policy-rc

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-25 Thread Florent Rougon
Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A bad hack. I hate to drop my own binaries to /usr/sbin. You can make /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d a symlink to the file of your choice under /usr/local. A bit less bad, but wouldn't prevent something undesirable happening if you install a package shipping /usr/sb

Re: policy-rc.d confusion (was: not starting packages at boot)

2005-01-25 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Marc Haber wrote: > So policy-rc.d needs to be in /usr/local, or we have a FHS violation. Please request that we enhance invoke-rc.d to look on /usr/local first, then (through a wishlist bug). Looks like a good idea at first glance. > Additionally, the requirement of going t

policy-rc.d confusion (was: not starting packages at boot)

2005-01-25 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:44:42 +1100, Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:15:52AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >> I am not a native speaker, but to me it looks like your message >> doesn't fit the questions I asked. > >Steve answered your first question. The second ques

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-25 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2005-01-25 Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 24-Jan-05, 03:45 (CST), Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Last time I looked, invoke-rc.d was not yet a requirement to be used > > by packages. As far as I remember, it is for sarge, but not for woody > > and thus unuseable on w

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-24 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:15:52AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:01:46 -0600, Steve Greenland > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 24-Jan-05, 03:45 (CST), Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Last time I looked, invoke-rc.d was not yet a requirement to be used > >> by packa

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-24 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:01:46 -0600, Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 24-Jan-05, 03:45 (CST), Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Last time I looked, invoke-rc.d was not yet a requirement to be used >> by packages. As far as I remember, it is for sarge, but not for woody >> and t

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 24-Jan-05, 03:45 (CST), Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Last time I looked, invoke-rc.d was not yet a requirement to be used > by packages. As far as I remember, it is for sarge, but not for woody > and thus unuseable on woody, right? > > Do we already have packages that provide policy

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-24 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2005-01-24 Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Last time I looked, invoke-rc.d was not yet a requirement to be used > by packages. As far as I remember, it is for sarge, but not for woody > and thus unuseable on woody, right? [...] There are almost no packages in woody which make use

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-24 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:21:02 -0800, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >echo -e '#!/bin/sh\n\nexit 101' > /chroot/usr/sbin/policy-rc.d \ >&& chmod a+x /chroot/usr/sbin/policy-rc.d A bad hack. I hate to drop my own binaries to /usr/sbin. Greetings Marc -- -

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-24 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:01:39 +0100, Michal Politowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:38:20 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >> My beef is that I want to be able to prevent a newly installed >> package's postinst from starting the service > >Looks like something invoke-rc.d calls policy-

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-24 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Dan Jacobson | Not starting apache2 - edit /etc/default/apache2 and change NO_START to be 0. [...] | Now that maintainers realized that one might like a package installed, | but perhaps only plans to use it unoften, it only makes sense for not | starting at boot to be offered as a friendly co

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-23 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Jan-05, 14:05 (CST), Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 10:53:48AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > > > /etc/default/foo. I could tolerate it if packaged defaulted *on*, but it > > seems the habit is to default off. And more importangly, as others have > > said (

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-23 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 10:53:48AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 20-Jan-05, 22:09 (CST), Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sure, one can go behind the backs of maintainers with > > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s3.6 > > > ("Disabling daemon se

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-23 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 10:53:48AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > /etc/default/foo. I could tolerate it if packaged defaulted *on*, but it > seems the habit is to default off. And more importangly, as others have > said (every single time this comes up), there is an *existing* mechanism > to acco

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-23 Thread Steve Greenland
On 20-Jan-05, 22:09 (CST), Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure, one can go behind the backs of maintainers with > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s3.6 > > ("Disabling daemon services") > and hope you remember what you did. But it's not as friendly a

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-23 Thread Thomas Hood
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:40:08 +0100, Marc Haber wrote in part: > Ihave a number of server packages installed on my > personal laptop for the sake of having the docs with me. I am, > however, fine with using update-rc.d or $EDITOR /etc/runlevel.conf[1] > to accomplish this. In some cases this might

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-23 Thread Thomas Hood
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:00:27 +0100, Dan Jacobson wrote: > Now that maintainers realized that one might like a package installed, > but perhaps only plans to use it unoften, it only makes sense for not > starting at boot to be offered as a friendly configuration option, > instead of needing some dev

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 11:10:37AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:44:16 -0800, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >>I hope that at least the cupsys maintainer will close this bug without > >>mangling the package i

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:44:16 -0800, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>I hope that at least the cupsys maintainer will close this bug without >>mangling the package in this fashion; there's no reason to have the cupsys >>server package installed

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-23 Thread Michal Politowski
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:38:20 +0100, Marc Haber wrote: [...] > My beef is that I want to be able to prevent a newly installed > package's postinst from starting the service Looks like something invoke-rc.d calls policy-rc.d for. > (for example, because I > know that the service needs configuration

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-23 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:44:16 -0800, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I hope that at least the cupsys maintainer will close this bug without >mangling the package in this fashion; there's no reason to have the cupsys >server package installed if you're not going to use it as a server. I d

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 12:09:42PM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: > Sure, one can go behind the backs of maintainers with > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s3.6 > > ("Disabling daemon services") > and hope you remember what you did. But it's not as friendly as > th

Re: not starting packages at boot

2005-01-22 Thread William Ballard
On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 12:09:42PM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: > Now that maintainers realized that one might like a package installed, > but perhaps only plans to use it unoften, it only makes sense for not > starting at boot to be offered as a friendly configuration option, > instead of needing so

not starting packages at boot

2005-01-22 Thread Dan Jacobson
Sure, one can go behind the backs of maintainers with > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s3.6 > ("Disabling daemon services") and hope you remember what you did. But it's not as friendly as the approaches more and more packages are taking, as seen in my /var/log/b