Re: default network management tools (was: ifupdown maintenance)

2024-07-11 Thread Santiago Ruano Rincón
El 09/07/24 a las 11:45, Simon McVittie escribió: > On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 at 10:57:39 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > Agreed: either it's drop-in compatible or we may as well switch the > > default to NM and/or systemd-networkd. > > > > Well, here's a heretical thought: why don't we do th

Re: default network management tools

2024-07-11 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 13:48:06 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: >On Jul 11, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > >> On 11.07.24 08:13, Marc Haber wrote: >> > Therefore, you could change >> > configuration while the Interfacce was up and then just say "ifdown ; >> > ifup" and be fine. No network configuration softwa

Re: default network management tools

2024-07-11 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 11, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > On 11.07.24 08:13, Marc Haber wrote: > > Therefore, you could change > > configuration while the Interfacce was up and then just say "ifdown ; > > ifup" and be fine. No network configuration software up to today has > > THAT feature. > Shouldn't "systemctl rel

Re: default network management tools

2024-07-11 Thread Matthias Urlichs
On 11.07.24 08:13, Marc Haber wrote: Therefore, you could change configuration while the Interfacce was up and then just say "ifdown ; ifup" and be fine. No network configuration software up to today has THAT feature. Shouldn't "systemctl reload systemd-networkd" do exactly that? -- -- regards

Re: default network management tools

2024-07-11 Thread Lukas Märdian
On 11.07.24 02:18, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 7/10/24 20:03, Michael Biebl wrote: Since there is a lot of support for this idea, the next logical step as smcv said, would be to make d-i/netcfg networkd aware. At the beginning, this could be opt-in (for testing purposes) and we could make it the

Re: default network management tools (was: ifupdown maintenance)

2024-07-10 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 18:36:19 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >yes please, I would love to see Debian switch from ifupdown to >NM/networkd. ifupdown was the perfect tool for the time it was created >in, but things have advanced, and imho now is a good time to switch. I agree. Nothing has yet reached t

Re: default network management tools

2024-07-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 7/10/24 20:03, Michael Biebl wrote: Since there is a lot of support for this idea, the next logical step as smcv said, would be to make d-i/netcfg networkd aware. At the beginning, this could be opt-in (for testing purposes) and we could make it the default later on. Any takers? If someo

Re: default network management tools

2024-07-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 7/9/24 12:45, Simon McVittie wrote: To some extent, we are already there: for new laptop/desktop installations, NM is already the default (certainly true for GNOME, and hopefully for most/all of the other tasksel-supported desktops). Right. For new server/embedded installations, I think ne

Re: default network management tools

2024-07-10 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 10.07.24 um 18:36 schrieb Bernd Zeimetz: On Tue, 2024-07-09 at 11:45 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 at 10:57:39 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:     Agreed: either it's drop-in compatible or we may as well switch the     default to NM and/or systemd-networkd. Well, here's

Re: default network management tools (was: ifupdown maintenance)

2024-07-10 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On Tue, 2024-07-09 at 11:45 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 at 10:57:39 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > >     Agreed: either it's drop-in compatible or we may as well switch > > the > >     default to NM and/or systemd-networkd. > > > > Well, here's a heretical thought: why don

Re: default network management tools (was: ifupdown maintenance)

2024-07-09 Thread Simon McVittie
On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 at 10:57:39 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Agreed: either it's drop-in compatible or we may as well switch the > default to NM and/or systemd-networkd. > > Well, here's a heretical thought: why don't we do that anyway, at least for > new > installations? To some ext