On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 08:01:26AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 12:20:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > I don't know where the English l10n team got the idea from that there
> > is something wrong with a computer speaking to the user in the first
> > person. But in my o
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:57:44AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Use of the first person in messages from the
> computer"):
> > A computer cannot refer to itself, because it does not have a self.
>
> I'm sorry, but that is completely w
Quoting Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org):
> I categorically reject the notion that removing second-person usage from our
> debconf questions is at all beneficial. And when you fix non-problems in
> your language, you almost invariably make things worse by reducing clarity
> or increasing verbos
I agree with the debian-l10n-english position that first person is
inappropriate in debconf questions; we should not personify computers.
However:
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 02:11:38PM +, MJ Ray wrote:
> > My reviewer also seems to think there is (sometimes?) something wrong
> > with the use of
On Donnerstag, 9. Februar 2012, Russell Coker wrote:
> In the US corporations are people, so surely computers are people too.
because clearly, the US is always right.
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Ian Jackson wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Use of the first person in messages from the
> computer"):
>> A computer cannot refer to itself, because it does not have a self.
>
> I'm sorry, but that is completely wrong.
>
> "README"
Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Use of the first person in messages from the
computer"):
> A computer cannot refer to itself, because it does not have a self.
I'm sorry, but that is completely wrong.
"README"
"drink me"
" me facit"
I'm sure
On Vi, 10 feb 12, 14:20:58, Miles Bader wrote:
>
> Hmmm, while it may not be the best thing to have a non-native speaker
> in charge of wording, I think it actually _is_ useful to have their
> input. Sometimes language that seems pretty obvious to a native
> speaker isn't clear at all to many non
Quoting Ian Jackson (ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk):
> Finally, the reviewer revealed in the review that they're not a native
> speaker of English. Is it normal for l10n reviews to be conducted by
> non-native speakers of the target language ? Are we really so short
> of native English speakin
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 12:20:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
>
> The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
> wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. For
> example:
>
> > - I
Quoting Niels Thykier (ni...@thykier.net):
> On 2012-02-09 13:20, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
> >
> > The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
> > wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first pe
Ian Jackson writes:
> Finally, the reviewer revealed in the review that they're not a native
> speaker of English. Is it normal for l10n reviews to be conducted by
> non-native speakers of the target language ? Are we really so short
> of native English speaking l10n reviewers ? If so I would b
martin f krafft dijo [Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 05:07:39PM +0100]:
> Because "choosing this option" does not modify anything but the
> debconf cache, and only the postinst script modifies… no wait,
> "choosing this option" only changes the in-memory state of some UI
> widget and hitting enter then infor
also sprach Josh Triplett [2012.02.09.1554 +0100]:
> Choosing this option will modify /etc/X11/app-default/XTerm, preserving
> the old file as XTerm.backup.not-trad.
Because "choosing this option" does not modify anything but the
debconf cache, and only the postinst script modifies… no wait,
"cho
Josh Triplett wrote:
In general I don't see anything wrong with "you" in most circumstances,
though I think phrases like "this system" seem clearer and less
ambiguous than "your system".
I agree. This is often seen in package descriptions, for example
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.c
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:29:08PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
> > The computer is not a person.
>
> There there, havelock.liw.fi, don't listen to the *mean* man who
> says you're not a person. You are too a person! Tell you what,
> it's a magical Intern
Ian Jackson wrote:
> I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
>
> The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
> wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. For
> example:
>
> > - If you approve, I will edit /etc/X11/app-de
Ian Jackson
> I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
>
> The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
> wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person.
I'm not active within the l10n-english reviews for some time (see
below)
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:29:08PM +, Roger Leigh wrote:
> The computer is not a person.
There there, havelock.liw.fi, don't listen to the *mean* man who
says you're not a person. You are too a person! Tell you what,
it's a magical Internet, ol' buddy... Let's go exploring!
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On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 12:20:06PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
Well, by Christian Perrier; nobody else has had a chance to reply yet.
If people with opinions on this topic want to join the d-l-e team,
which mostly seems to consist
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 01:40:42PM +0100, Niels Thykier wrote:
> On 2012-02-09 13:20, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
> >
> > The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
> > wrong with the computer speaking to the
On 2012-02-09 13:20, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
>
> The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
> wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. For
> example:
>
>> [...]
I suspect devref 6
I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine.
The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something
wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person. For
example:
> - If you approve, I will edit /etc/X11/app-default/XTerm for you, and
> - save
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