Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> > I have just received a review by a l10n team of a package of mine. > > The reviewer seems to be under the impression that there is something > wrong with the computer speaking to the user in the first person.
I'm not active within the l10n-english reviews for some time (see below) and while I agree with the comments about using the simplest constructions, I think there is something wrong with personifying the system. It hates that. While we can all engage in a huge discussion about what we like, that should be a last resort. Is there any research-based guidance about what is best for human/computer interaction? (for some value of "best") > Also relevant is their guide to (paper) forms[3], which contains this > imprecation: > * Make it personal > Use `you' rather than, for instance, `the applicant' [etc.] > Use `we' rather than, for instance, `the council' [etc.] This example is rather easier, because the author of the form is presumably part of the council or whatever, so the first person plural "we" is accurate. So, the example: > > - If you approve, I will edit /etc/X11/app-default/XTerm for you, and > > - save your old file as XTerm.backup.not-trad. (Note that this is a > > - conffile so you may get prompts from dpkg about it in the future.) would become something like: If you approve, we will change /etc/X11/app-default/XTerm for you, and save your old file as XTerm.backup.not-trad. (Note that this is a conffile, so you may get prompts from dpkg about it in the future.) where "we" would be the debian project contributors. After all, the computer is not doing anything on its own - it is just carrying out some instructions from the project as the user fills out a glorified form. It would be freaky if a council form said "I", wouldn't it? > My reviewer also seems to think there is (sometimes?) something wrong > with the use of the second person to refer to the user or the owner of > the system. [...] I disagree with making things impersonal for the sake of it, but I'd note that the user is not necessarily the system's owner, so I'm not sure about using the possessive. > Finally, the reviewer revealed in the review that they're not a native > speaker of English. Is it normal for l10n reviews to be conducted by > non-native speakers of the target language ? Are we really so short > of native English speaking l10n reviewers ? If so I would be happy to > help (although you may find me too opinionated...) Yes, we are so short of native English speakers to do the reviews. Help would be welcome, but we probably should resolve the differences above as a first step, else it will just inflame things. However, personally, I feel we're short of reviewers because the review process requires too many resources - it expects reviewers to be online too often, sends too much email noise, has long delays and risks collisions at various steps. I think that's why there's only ever been about six reviewers AFAICS (of which, I think only half were first-language speakers), most of whom only did one review, and it's fallen to only one second-language reviewer since last August. Actually, I wondered what the review process is now. It's not on http://www.debian.org/international/ and nor is the l10n-english list and it's not mentioned in mails like http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/2012/02/msg00030.html but a later email http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-english/2012/02/msg00011.html did contain a link to http://wiki.debian.org/I18n/SmithDebconfReviewProcess It looks like there are some scripts now (one reason I dropped out, but I've not checked their functionality), but the process still seems no easier to track and there are still collisions, which both waste contributor effort and are sort-of related. I have not had time to try to bugfix the process and I don't really know where to start: the wiki page is immutable anyway (it might be editable if you are allowed to create an account, which some disabled developers are not, so I do not know). There's also an understandable resistence to lapsed contributors who try to bugfix debian's processes that work well enough, but maybe this one really is not working well enough. Thanks for your comments, -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1rvuio-0004g2...@petrol.towers.org.uk
