Re: Request for collaborators: DEP-14 conversion script (Re: DEP-14: Default branch name 'debian/latest' objections?)

On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 02:02:46PM +0100, Gioele Barabucci wrote: > On 28/01/25 13:57, Marvin Renich wrote: > > I strongly urge you to heed Colin's suggestion. Have DEP-14 _require_ > > that the salsa repo have HEAD set to the branch where new contributors, > > NMUers, and others not familiar with

Re: Request for collaborators: DEP-14 conversion script (Re: DEP-14: Default branch name 'debian/latest' objections?)

* Gioele Barabucci [250128 08:03]: > DEP-14 could have a stronger message, but the requirement for HEAD to point > to the development branch is there. My mistake. I was basing my reply on Colin's message: * Colin Watson [250126 15:35]: > Currently, there's only one place where DEP-14 talks abo

Re: Request for collaborators: DEP-14 conversion script (Re: DEP-14: Default branch name 'debian/latest' objections?)

On 28/01/25 13:57, Marvin Renich wrote: I strongly urge you to heed Colin's suggestion. Have DEP-14 _require_ that the salsa repo have HEAD set to the branch where new contributors, NMUers, and others not familiar with the project should be making changes. From https://dep-team.pages.debian.ne

Re: Request for collaborators: DEP-14 conversion script (Re: DEP-14: Default branch name 'debian/latest' objections?)

* Otto Kekäläinen [250128 00:04]: > I wrote and rewrote this script a couple of times in past two months: > https://salsa.debian.org/debian/devscripts/-/blob/main/scripts/dep-14-convert-git-branch-names.sh > > It's not exactly ideal yet, but it does the job. The name is a bit > stupid, and it onl

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Sun Sep 1, 2024 at 6:14 PM BST, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > The discussion was summarized in a separate "Summay" email by me on this > list, and a comment in the MR (which merges the two discussions) and it > just happened that the next day it was also covered in > https://lwn.net/Articles/986480/

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi! On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 12:39 PM PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote: > > Hello, > > > Well, I didn't mean we should *give up* decentralization. I mean we > > shouldn't > > give up *centralization*. These examples are to prove centralization > > actually > > works and is quite common, sometimes ne

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On 04/09/2024 17:21, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote: > Hello, > >> Well, I didn't mean we should *give up* decentralization. I mean we shouldn't >> give up *centralization*. These examples are to prove centralization actually >> works and is quite common, sometimes necessary. > > It would be great

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hello, > Well, I didn't mean we should *give up* decentralization. I mean we shouldn't > give up *centralization*. These examples are to prove centralization actually > works and is quite common, sometimes necessary. It would be great if we could run the salsa-ci pipeline localy easily, in chroo

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

(Please send To/Cc me if you'd like to continue on this branch of conversation, I'm not subscribed to -devel, only digests.) On Wed, 04 Sep 2024 06:42:33 +0200, Jonas Smegegaard wrote: > Quoting Blair Noctis (2024-09-04 04:33:10) (...) >> > PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel writes: >> > >> >> What about dog

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Tuesday, 3 September 2024 23.42.33 CDT Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I don't say that Debian must work for jungle developers, nor that we > must all use email and not different forms of collaboration requiring > better connectivity. My point is that Debian *allows* collaboration > also without heav

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi Blair, Quoting Blair Noctis (2024-09-04 04:33:10) > On 02/09/2024 06:38, Richard Lewis wrote: > > PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel > > writes: > > > >> What about dog fooding ? > >> > >> for now we can setup a schroot and sbuild very easily and start to build a > >> local repository in minutes. > >>

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On 02/09/2024 06:38, Richard Lewis wrote: > PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel > writes: > >> What about dog fooding ? >> >> for now we can setup a schroot and sbuild very easily and start to build a >> local repository in minutes. >> >> But when it comes to install gitlab and the CI system it is another

Re: DEP-18 discussion summary (Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages)

On 03/09/2024 15:36, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: My information was based on what Salsa admin posted at https://salsa.debian.org/salsa/support/-/issues/395 Hi Otto, Thanks for that link, which took me nearly a minute to open! Quoting from there. Could we keep the issue open for now and only clo

Re: DEP-18 discussion summary (Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages)

Hi! > Hi Otto, > Until recently I generally found Salsa response to be adequate, > but for the last couple of days it has been so > excruciatingly slow as to be almost unusable. > > > In response, Otto Kekäläinen noted that the Salsa admins > > had posted about upcoming hardware upgrades and other

Re: DEP-18 discussion summary (Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages)

On 28/08/2024 03:13, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: ## Performance and Reliability Multiple participants, including Salvo Tomaselli, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues, Andrea Pappacoda, and Gioele Barabucci, complained about Salsa/GitLab being slow or unreliable at times, which deterred contribution. Imp

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel writes: > What about dog fooding ? > > for now we can setup a schroot and sbuild very easily and start to build a > local repository in minutes. > > But when it comes to install gitlab and the CI system it is another story. So > we rely on the central salsa instance. f

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

What about dog fooding ? for now we can setup a schroot and sbuild very easily and start to build a local repository in minutes. But when it comes to install gitlab and the CI system it is another story. So we rely on the central salsa instance. It seems to me that a great strength of Debian i

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

> My overall impression is that this is a bold attempt, but the document could > do > with some copy-editing to whittle it down, make it more focussed, and possibly > narrow the scope. E.g. perhaps Gitlab CI is too much in one go? Could that be > done further down the line in a follow-up DEP? I

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi Jonathan! The discussion was summarized in a separate "Summay" email by me on this list, and a comment in the MR (which merges the two discussions) and it just happened that the next day it was also covered in https://lwn.net/Articles/986480/ I am currently writing revision 2 of the proposal.

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Thanks for working on this. I finally had a read over it today. I've found the split in discussion between this list and the Merge Request comments hard to manage. It would help a lot, I think, if some of the MR threads were marked resolved, assuming the issues they describe are resolved. Tha

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi! > NOTE: The following idea might be out-of-scope in DEP-18, but specific > use-case to improve > collaboration in Debian, IMHO. > > Here is just an idea: put collaboration policy metadata in debian/control. > (The following idea assumes that non-maintainer DD tend to hesitate to > commit/merge

Re: DEP-18 discussion summary (Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages)

Il 28/08/2024 04:13, Otto Kekäläinen ha scritto: Hi! While I intend to continue on iterating DEP-18, here is a summary to those who did not wade through the 140+ messages on the topic. Unfortunately, the summary itself is also a bit long :) Big thanks for your work and of other people that are t

DEP-18 discussion summary (Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages)

Hi! While I intend to continue on iterating DEP-18, here is a summary to those who did not wade through the 140+ messages on the topic. Unfortunately, the summary itself is also a bit long :) Summary of mailing list

Re: Request for IkiWiki NMU (FTBFS #1074727)

On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 at 13:13:51 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > intrigeri's patch at > > looks good to me (eyeball test only) > > I would be very grateful if someone would be prepared to Debian-ize > it and NMU IkiWiki (due to be remo

Salsa connection errors or slowness has improved (Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18)

Hi! In the DEP-18 thread surprisingly many (e.g. Salvo, Johannes, Andrea, Gioele) complained about Salsa being slow to load, or having connectivity issues. I am thus happy to note that the Salsa admins posted in https://salsa.debian.org/salsa/support/-/issues/395 a comment stating that salsa.debi

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

[resending to your correct address] Hello, On Mon 05 Aug 2024 at 06:14am +05, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > It's similar but different: I'm talking about workflows to build a package > from the repo (e.g. "gbp with gbp-pq and importing upstream tarballs"). > And yeah it could be a metadata field.

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hello, On Mon 05 Aug 2024 at 06:14am +05, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > It's similar but different: I'm talking about workflows to build a package > from the repo (e.g. "gbp with gbp-pq and importing upstream tarballs"). > And yeah it could be a metadata field. Just to note that once people are u

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hello, On Sat 03 Aug 2024 at 11:29am -07, Soren Stoutner wrote: > 1. Debian workflows are too fractured. The project would be better if we > asked people > to standardize around a single (or a small number) of workflows. To do so, > the workflow > would need to be flexible enough to handle t

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hello, On Sat 03 Aug 2024 at 09:19am +02, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote: > Hello, I like the dgit idea, produce a git repository for people who want to > use git and let other use whatever they want. > > Maybe uploading a paquage to Debian could push automatically into dgit. (maybe > this is alre

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hello, On Sat 03 Aug 2024 at 08:26am +02, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > My problem with DEP-18 is that people who have zero problem with using > git and are also not fundamentally against using salsa, but have > reservations surrounding *which parts* of salsa to use and the > consequences for related

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Il 05/08/2024 10:40, Simon Richter ha scritto: Hi, On 8/5/24 17:10, Fabio Fantoni wrote: currently you find such information from a simple search and/or looking a bit in the source, in the possible git in a few minutes only in part of cases, in many other cases instead it requires more time,

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi, On 8/5/24 17:10, Fabio Fantoni wrote: currently you find such information from a simple search and/or looking a bit in the source, in the possible git in a few minutes only in part of cases, in many other cases instead it requires more time, the possible contact of the maintainer, attempt

Machine readable contributor information (was: Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages)

Fabio Fantoni: Il 05/08/2024 03:14, Andrey Rakhmatullin ha scritto: [...] Thanks for reply, what I mean is precisely a standard field that points to a file, inside the package or even an url as already explained can be very useful in most cases) that contains all the useful information for c

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Il 05/08/2024 03:14, Andrey Rakhmatullin ha scritto: On Sun, Aug 04, 2024 at 04:15:13PM +0200, Fabio Fantoni wrote: Il 04/08/2024 15:36, Andrey Rakhmatullin ha scritto: On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 04:15:33PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: one problem I have with NMUs in team-maintained package is th

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Sun, Aug 04, 2024 at 04:15:13PM +0200, Fabio Fantoni wrote: > Il 04/08/2024 15:36, Andrey Rakhmatullin ha scritto: > > On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 04:15:33PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > > one problem I have with NMUs in team-maintained package is that they > > > often bypass Salsa… Would it ma

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Il 04/08/2024 15:36, Andrey Rakhmatullin ha scritto: On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 04:15:33PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: one problem I have with NMUs in team-maintained package is that they often bypass Salsa… Would it make sense to add to the DEP a request that NMUs are started from and pushed to

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 04:15:33PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > one problem I have with NMUs in team-maintained package is that they > often bypass Salsa… Would it make sense to add to the DEP a request > that NMUs are started from and pushed to the default branch? Only if DEP-18 also includes

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 10:37:42PM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > > 2. Standardizing around a single (or small number of) workflows will make > > some people unhappy. But that is an acceptable price to pay because of the > > general benefit to the project *as long as the correct solution is > >

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi all, On 03-08-2024 22:37, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: At the bottom, is it ok for a package to have a single maintainer or not? I have never wanted to be the single maintainer of a package, and here I am, I'm member of a bunch of teams, but most of my packages uploads (not a lot luckily) are f

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi! > I have three feelings. > > > 1. Debian workflows are too fractured. The project would be better if we > asked people to standardize around a single (or a small number) of workflows. > To do so, the workflow would need to be flexible enough to handle the wide > range of technical needs

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Saturday, August 3, 2024 1:37:42 PM MST Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > > 2. Standardizing around a single (or small number of) workflows will make > > some people unhappy. But that is an acceptable price to pay because of the > > general benefit to the project *as long as the correct solution is >

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Friday, August 2, 2024 11:26:01 PM MST Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I imagine that some in the silent crowd hesitate to chime in due to that > lumping together the use of git and the use of Gitlab into an > all-or-nothing choice. I think you intended that reduction, for the > purpose of simplifyin

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Quoting Fabio Fantoni (2024-08-03 16:45:24) > Il 03/08/2024 15:59, Jonas Smedegaard ha scritto: > > Quoting Fabio Fantoni (2024-08-03 15:39:00) > >> Il 03/08/2024 14:40, Kentaro Hayashi ha scritto: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Even though +1 for DEP-18 basically, I think that it might be better > >>> to a

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Il 03/08/2024 15:59, Jonas Smedegaard ha scritto: Quoting Fabio Fantoni (2024-08-03 15:39:00) Il 03/08/2024 14:40, Kentaro Hayashi ha scritto: Hi, Even though +1 for DEP-18 basically, I think that it might be better to add an option to formalize package owner's (single person maintainer) colla

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Quoting Fabio Fantoni (2024-08-03 15:39:00) > Il 03/08/2024 14:40, Kentaro Hayashi ha scritto: > > Hi, > > > > Even though +1 for DEP-18 basically, I think that it might be better > > to add an option > > to formalize package owner's (single person maintainer) collaboration policy > > especially ab

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Il 03/08/2024 15:16, Jonas Smedegaard ha scritto: Quoting Kentaro Hayashi (2024-08-03 14:40:51) Hi, Even though +1 for DEP-18 basically, I think that it might be better to add an option to formalize package owner's (single person maintainer) collaboration policy especially about non-team mainta

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Il 03/08/2024 14:40, Kentaro Hayashi ha scritto: Hi, Even though +1 for DEP-18 basically, I think that it might be better to add an option to formalize package owner's (single person maintainer) collaboration policy especially about non-team maintained packages under https://salsa.debian.org/deb

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Quoting Kentaro Hayashi (2024-08-03 14:40:51) > Hi, > > Even though +1 for DEP-18 basically, I think that it might be better > to add an option > to formalize package owner's (single person maintainer) collaboration policy > especially about non-team maintained packages under > https://salsa.debia

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 09:40:51PM +0900, Kentaro Hayashi wrote: > Hi, > > Even though +1 for DEP-18 basically, I think that it might be better > to add an option > to formalize package owner's (single person maintainer) collaboration policy > especially about non-team maintained packages under >

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi, Tobias. Thank you for kindly advice, I've misunderstood about debian/ namespace. Please ignore the previous my post. [1] I felt sorry posting just a noise. [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2024/08/msg00052.html Regards, 2024年8月3日(土) 21:54 Tobias Frost : > > On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi, Even though +1 for DEP-18 basically, I think that it might be better to add an option to formalize package owner's (single person maintainer) collaboration policy especially about non-team maintained packages under https://salsa.debian.org/debian/. If such a package repository enables merge r

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Il 03/08/2024 01:28, Jonas Smedegaard ha scritto: Quoting Fabio Fantoni (2024-08-02 23:51:26) Il 02/08/2024 15:49, Jonas Smedegaard ha scritto: I think that both email and systems like salsa/github/gitlab etc. are useful, both with pros and cons. Forcing people to use only one or the other coul

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hello, I like the dgit idea, produce a git repository for people who want to use git and let other use whatever they want. Maybe uploading a paquage to Debian could push automatically into dgit. (maybe this is already the case) Is it possible then to mirror this dgit repository in salsa ? Fred

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 04:15:33PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > I have drafted a new DEP at > > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8 titled "DEP-18: > > Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages". > > Hi Otto, > > thank you for your initiative, > > one proble

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Le Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 03:38:40PM -0700, Otto Kekäläinen a écrit : > > I have drafted a new DEP at > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8 titled "DEP-18: > Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages". Hi Otto, thank you for your initiative, one problem I have wi

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 2:26 PM Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > My problem with DEP-18 is that people who have zero problem with using > git and are also not fundamentally against using salsa, but have > reservations surrounding *which parts* of salsa to use and the > consequences for related already u

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Quoting Otto Kekäläinen (2024-08-03 06:38:38) > > I am not suggesting salsa use because I think it's the best thing since the > > invention of sliced bread. But personally, I rather use something > > suboptimal if > > it means that we can more or less agree on a "default" and I think that the > >

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi, On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 at 16:27, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > Quoting Otto Kekäläinen (2024-08-02 17:23:51) > > I agree that Salsa is sometimes a bit sluggish > > (https://salsa.debian.org/salsa/support/-/issues/395), > > what kind of hardware do you have? For people like me who are

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Quoting Fabio Fantoni (2024-08-02 23:51:26) > Il 02/08/2024 15:49, Jonas Smedegaard ha scritto: > >> I think that both email and systems like salsa/github/gitlab etc. are > >> useful, both with pros and cons. Forcing people to use only one or the > >> other could be counterproductive at the moment.

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi, Quoting Otto Kekäläinen (2024-08-02 17:23:51) > I agree that Salsa is sometimes a bit sluggish > (https://salsa.debian.org/salsa/support/-/issues/395), what kind of hardware do you have? For people like me who are on slower hardware, the web experience is absolutely not funny and "a bit slugg

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Il 02/08/2024 15:49, Jonas Smedegaard ha scritto: Hi Fabio, Quoting Fabio Fantoni (2024-08-02 14:31:04) One particular thing noticed in some cases (and I hope they are not many) is the lack of use or especially updates of the Vcs-* fields in d/control. I think is important point to packaging re

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi! On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 at 02:27, Andrea Pappacoda wrote: .. > Before a certain way of doing things can be mandated or "warmly > recommended", the technology has to be as flawless as possible - and > today I wouldn't call Salsa "flawless", would you? Issues with > Salsa/GitLab: > > 1. It is so slo

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi Fabio, Quoting Fabio Fantoni (2024-08-02 14:31:04) > One particular thing noticed in some cases (and I hope they are not > many) is the lack of use or especially updates of the Vcs-* fields in > d/control. I think is important point to packaging repository from the > tracker if present and t

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Il 02/08/2024 11:20, Andrea Pappacoda ha scritto: Hi Otto, and all the others participating in this thread :) Il giorno sab 27 lug 2024 alle 15:38:40 -07:00:00, Otto Kekäläinen ha scritto: I have drafted a new DEP at https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8 titled "DEP-18: E

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On 02/08/2024 06:38, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > Also, there's IRC/matrix for more real time communication, but I challenge > you > to follow those long threads on d-devel on something like teams or slack. Discourse. Or some other "forum" software. IMO online forums and mailing lists are pretty simi

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On 02/08/24 11:20, Andrea Pappacoda wrote: Issues with Salsa/GitLab: 1. It is so slow that it makes me want to close by browser and do something else instead [...] 5. Did I mention how slow it is? Just as a side note: yes, salsa.d.o/GitLab is not the snappiest Web application ever and somet

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi Otto, and all the others participating in this thread :) Il giorno sab 27 lug 2024 alle 15:38:40 -07:00:00, Otto Kekäläinen ha scritto: I have drafted a new DEP at https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8 titled "DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian package

Re: Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Quoting Salvo Tomaselli (2024-08-02 00:38:15) > > saying out loud phrases such as "The only right way to > > collaborate is reading and writing emails is in my terminal" > > Please. This feels like trolling. > > You're literally making up a quote and then you reply to it. > > Nobody said that.

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On 2024-08-01 22:10:58 +0100 (+0100), Luca Boccassi wrote: > On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 18:23, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > > > On 2024-08-01 12:23:43 +0100 (+0100), Luca Boccassi wrote: > > [...] > > > To pick a random example, a less well known, less used, less > > > popular distribution like Nixos has

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 18:23, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > On 2024-08-01 12:23:43 +0100 (+0100), Luca Boccassi wrote: > [...] > > To pick a random example, a less well known, less used, less > > popular distribution like Nixos has 7000+ contributors listed on > > Github. > [...] > > Just to pick on th

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 21:57, Marc Haber wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 18:36:29 +0100, Luca Boccassi > wrote: > >On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 18:16, Marc Haber wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 12:23:43 +0100, Luca Boccassi > >> wrote: > >> >The vast majority of people who > >> >are forced to use ema

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 18:36:29 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: >On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 18:16, Marc Haber wrote: >> >> On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 12:23:43 +0100, Luca Boccassi >> wrote: >> >The vast majority of people who >> >are forced to use emails do so for work via a >> >work-mediated/administered interface

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 18:16, Marc Haber wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 12:23:43 +0100, Luca Boccassi > wrote: > >The vast majority of people who > >are forced to use emails do so for work via a > >work-mediated/administered interface that tries to make it somewhat > >tolerable, like Outlook or Gma

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On 2024-08-01 12:23:43 +0100 (+0100), Luca Boccassi wrote: [...] > To pick a random example, a less well known, less used, less > popular distribution like Nixos has 7000+ contributors listed on > Github. [...] Just to pick on this particular point, because I see this metric used all the time by p

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 12:23:43 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: >The vast majority of people who >are forced to use emails do so for work via a >work-mediated/administered interface that tries to make it somewhat >tolerable, like Outlook or Gmail. This must be the least accurate statement about Outlook t

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Yes, tag2upload. It’s almost ready :) Please wait a little longer. -- Sean Whitton Please excuse top-posting and brevity. I am writing to you from a mobile phone. > On 1 Aug 2024, at 20:43, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Le Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 12:23:43PM +0100, Luca Boccassi a écrit : >> >> ru

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Aug 01, Luca Boccassi wrote: > Emails are actually a barrier against collaboration, and actively > hinder it by preventing new people from joining in. Please understand No, email is the only inclusive collaboration platform. I can use email while traveling and when the least possible connectiv

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 13:43, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Le Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 12:23:43PM +0100, Luca Boccassi a écrit : > > > > run a CI before uploading, even a very basic one is just fine, better > > than nothing. > > Thanks for the remider ! I will have a closer look at Salsa CI instead > of

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Le Thu, Aug 01, 2024 at 12:23:43PM +0100, Luca Boccassi a écrit : > > run a CI before uploading, even a very basic one is just fine, better > than nothing. Thanks for the remider ! I will have a closer look at Salsa CI instead of trying to understand how to run autopkgtests locally. Would there

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 09:49, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Otto Kekäläinen (2024-08-01 07:30:18) > > You have for sure developed an optimal workflow for yourself. > > Then I have failed: I have strived towards a collaborative workflow. > > Just not a web-centered collaborative workflow, but an

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 10:36, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > > Hi Otto, > > Quoting Otto Kekäläinen (2024-07-28 00:38:40) > > I have drafted a new DEP at > > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8 titled "DEP-18: > > Enable true open collaboration on all Debian package

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi Otto, Quoting Otto Kekäläinen (2024-07-28 00:38:40) > I have drafted a new DEP at > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8 titled "DEP-18: > Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages". > > Direct link to raw text: > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/raw/79

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Quoting Otto Kekäläinen (2024-08-01 07:30:18) > > > I have drafted a new DEP at > > > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8 titled "DEP-18: > > > Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages". > > > > > > Direct link to raw text: > > > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi! Thanks for the comments. Responding inline to the questions you raised: > Then it makes no effort to define communication channels. Before making some > time consuming change, it's usually better to just ask if that's a good idea .. > Then the document should enforce a particular commit style

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi! > > I have drafted a new DEP at > > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8 titled "DEP-18: > > Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages". > > > > Direct link to raw text: > > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/raw/798bfa5a1e1609afd4e48ee20aff80a82bcd4a2f/w

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2024-07-28 01:48:10) > Hi Otto, > > Quoting Otto Kekäläinen (2024-07-28 00:38:40) > > Hi all, > > > > I have drafted a new DEP at > > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8 titled "DEP-18: > > Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages". > >

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

Hi Otto, Quoting Otto Kekäläinen (2024-07-28 00:38:40) > Hi all, > > I have drafted a new DEP at > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8 titled "DEP-18: > Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages". > > Direct link to raw text: > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/

Re: Request for instructions how to contribute with technical documentation

Thanks for the feedback! Please explain how to do diff? Thanks Zebb On Mon, 27 Nov 2023, 12:06 Steffen Möller, wrote: > Dear Zebb, > > Thank you for your kind offer to help. Debian technical documentation > somewhere may already have an answer to your question. I admit not to have > checked. Bu

Re: Request for review of debootstrap change [was: Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:56:03PM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > what about cdebootstrap? > cdebootstrap (and mmdebstrap) never implemented a merging step[1] and to > this date rely on the usrmerge package doing it at postinst time. Once > base-files ships the aliasing symlinks, both will produce

Re: Request for review of debootstrap change [was: Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters]

Hi Holger, On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 09:28:51AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 09:38:02AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > This is implemented in > > > https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debootstrap/-/merge_requests/96 > > what about cdebootstrap? cdebootstrap (and mm

Re: Request for review of debootstrap change [was: Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 09:38:02AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > This is implemented in > > https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debootstrap/-/merge_requests/96 what about cdebootstrap? -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚

Re: Request for review of debootstrap change [was: Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters]

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 at 05:52, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > Hi, > > This is picking up on the debootstrap matter and is kinda crucial. > > On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 01:31:04AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > > After having sorted this out, what part of your safety concerns with 3C > > > do remain? > > >

Re: Request to add firmware to installation images/nonfree repo

On Sat, 2023-01-21 at 09:38 -0800, Koohyar Hasani wrote: > install Debian (i386 arch) on a touchscreen device (Dell Venue 8 Pro) This device is likely 64-bit, so you should use amd64 instead. https://i.dell.com/sites/csdocuments/Shared-Content_data-Sheets_Documents/en/uk/CSG-EN-XX-ALL-Venue-8-Pr

Re: Request to Join

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 9:29 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > If you're developers and new to Debian, you might want the Debian mentors > list to find out how Debian packages things. In addition to packaging, there are many other ways to help Debian, both technical and non-technical, most of them ar

Re: Request to Join

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 08:05:34AM +0200, Rob Le wrote: > Hello there, hope all is well. > >   > > My team and I are interested in getting involved in the local Debian > community.  We live and work in the San Francisco community and looking > for way to be more supportive to our favorite open-

Re: Request for Pricing

On 07.05.21 17:29, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Hello Tony, I don't know where you got this mail address as a source for providing the goods you need, but it's not correct -- Debian is a volunteer organization that produces a distribution of the free "Linux" operating system. We cannot provide what you re

just dont spam spam spam (Re: Request for spam)

hi, spam is annoying, spam is tiring, spam is insulting, spam is spreading misinformation, spam is spread lies, spam spam spam is not funny. please don't respond to spam. please don't spread spam. our attention is the most scarce ressource we have. especially in 2021. please be mindful what you

Re: Request for Pricing

Hello Tony, I don't know where you got this mail address as a source for providing the goods you need, but it's not correct -- Debian is a volunteer organization that produces a distribution of the free "Linux" operating system. We cannot provide what you require. Andrej Shadura dijo [Fri, May 07

Re: Request for packaging two simple tools: disk-filltest and digup

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 01:40:29AM +, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 9:42 AM Timo Bingmann wrote: > > > I wonder if it would be possible to package and include two simple but > > extremely useful command line programs in Debian? I wrote them 10 years > > and 7 years ago; they have

Re: Request for packaging two simple tools: disk-filltest and digup

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 9:42 AM Timo Bingmann wrote: > I wonder if it would be possible to package and include two simple but > extremely useful command line programs in Debian? I wrote them 10 years > and 7 years ago; they have stood the test of time and remain useful. As an upstream maintainer

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