On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:07:51 +0200, Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>How about phoning them? [0]
I didn't feel like it is _that_ necessary.
Greetings
Marc
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Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 15:00:18 +0200, Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>>As far as the eicar license is concerned: Is it really that difficult to
>>obtain
>>a statement from eicar on whether or not they believe that the test file is
>>copyrightable and maybe a gene
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 15:00:18 +0200, Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>As far as the eicar license is concerned: Is it really that difficult to obtain
>a statement from eicar on whether or not they believe that the test file is
>copyrightable and maybe a general permission to distribute th
Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 11:03:37 +0200, Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>*Look* at #198311 and search for debian-devel and then ask yourself why Marc
>>thinks that -devel should only be used as a forum to discredit ftpmasters
>>work,
>>and not as a place where ITPs sh
On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 11:03:37 +0200, Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>*Look* at #198311 and search for debian-devel and then ask yourself why Marc
>thinks that -devel should only be used as a forum to discredit ftpmasters work,
>and not as a place where ITPs should be reviewed.
That was
Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 23:50]:
>
>>So why is the recommendation against skipping the ITP to aviod problems in
>>ftpmaster review "not right"?
> A (strong) recommendation for doing ITPs right is right and usefull.
> But - all foreseeable problems should
* Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 23:50]:
> So why is the recommendation against skipping the ITP to aviod problems in
> ftpmaster review "not right"?
A (strong) recommendation for doing ITPs right is right and usefull.
But - all foreseeable problems should be handeled at ITP-time, and
On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 01:03:11 +1000, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>ITP: google.com
Please do so and have it uploaded asap.
Greetings
Marc
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On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 05:22:33PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Mark Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 16:05]:
> > On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 02:56:30PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
>
> > > OK, so basically you think ftpmaster people should spend review each ITP
> > > for
> > > such global rejection
Andreas Barth wrote:
> Marc is doing it the other way: He want an interface to reject a
> package before substantial work has been spent on it. So there
> shouldn't be this conflict any more, which would be a good thing.
Isn't this why ITPs are usually CCed to debian-devel?
Look what has been done
Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 10:14:10AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
>
>>Debugging anti-virus software should be done by the maintainers thereof.
>>Why would a user need this?
> i used it many times, for example to find out which archives are checked and
> which not. In fact
Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 09:35]:
>
>>Marc Haber wrote:
>>
Well that's the purpose of ITP-bugs against wnpp I think, because
they are CC'd to debian-devel for public review.
>>>Please show me a single ITP bug number where ftpmaster has said "this
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 08:26:43PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> > OK, so basically you think ftpmaster people should spend review each ITP
> > for such global rejection reasons, then? You can't expect this to happen
> > in any remotely timely fashion, at least not with this many ftpmasters
> > a
On Saturday 05 July 2003 09:26, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 03:01:14 +0200, Yven Johannes Leist
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I find that to be a very unfair accusation, since at least to my eyes
> > there was nothing especially unfriendly, unreasonable or otherwise
> > criticizable
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 02:56:30PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> OK, so basically you think ftpmaster people should spend review each ITP for
> such global rejection reasons, then? You can't expect this to happen in any
> remotely timely fashion, at least not with this many ftpmasters and this
> many
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 10:14:10AM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
> Debugging anti-virus software should be done by the maintainers thereof.
> Why would a user need this?
i used it many times, for example to find out which archives are checked and
which not. In fact I even already wrote bugs for AV
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 05:22:33PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> Nobody said that ftpmaster must see all problems from ITP. But - every
> problem that is seen at ITP time saves volunteer time for more usefull
> things.
That actually appeared to be exactly what Marc was asking for when he
started
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 01:02:13PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:14:10 +0200, Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >Marc Haber wrote:
> >> Because it makes debugging anti-virus software harder, and forces
> >> maintainers of anti-virus packages to have their own means
* Mark Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 16:05]:
> On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 02:56:30PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> > OK, so basically you think ftpmaster people should spend review each ITP for
> > such global rejection reasons, then? You can't expect this to happen in any
> > remotely timely fashi
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 09:01:25AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:32:29 +0200, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> >> In the past years, I have found it annoying that the eicar anti-virus
> >> testfile is not avai
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 02:56:30PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> OK, so basically you think ftpmaster people should spend review each ITP for
> such global rejection reasons, then? You can't expect this to happen in any
> remotely timely fashion, at least not with this many ftpmasters and this
> man
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 01:17:50PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> The discussion is only about global reasons, as "wrong license", "we
> don't need this package" or simmilar. This reasons could be discussed
> before making the package quite as easy as afterwards.
OK, so basically you think ftpmaste
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 12:05]:
> On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:08:04AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 10:50]:
> > > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> > > > Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establ
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:43:35 +0100, Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>That's pointless, I think. If I were an ftpmaster I would not be willing
>to render an opinion on a package before I actually saw the package,
>especially if I were going to be held to that opinion later (and, if I
>wasn't,
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 11:48:24 +0200, Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Is there a copy somewhere else?
Yes.
Greetings
Marc
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On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 10:14:10 +0200, Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Marc Haber wrote:
>> Because it makes debugging anti-virus software harder, and forces
>> maintainers of anti-virus packages to have their own means of
>> obtaining eicar.com for testing purposes
>Debugging anti-virus s
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 09:26:17AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> How would you react if somebody called work you did and that took a
> few hours "silly"? And Mr. Troup's appreciation of my work is
> appropriately named in the directory name the package sits in at the
> moment.
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On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:08:04AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 10:50]:
> > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> > > Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a
> > > pre-upload interface to ftpmaster so that a
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 10:50]:
> On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> > Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a
> > pre-upload interface to ftpmaster so that a developer could learn that
> > he is writing a package pending rejecti
* Thomas Viehmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030705 09:35]:
> Marc Haber wrote:
> >>Well that's the purpose of ITP-bugs against wnpp I think, because
> >>they are CC'd to debian-devel for public review.
> > Please show me a single ITP bug number where ftpmaster has said "this
> > package will not go into
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> It is my opinion that it would be a good idea to have that installer
> package in Debian. Heck, if I wouldn't have that opinion, I wouldn't
> have spent some of my time to build that package.
>
> Additionally, I would like to seriously
Marc Haber wrote:
> Because it makes debugging anti-virus software harder, and forces
> maintainers of anti-virus packages to have their own means of
> obtaining eicar.com for testing purposes
Debugging anti-virus software should be done by the maintainers thereof.
Why would a user need this?
> Sa
> How would you react if somebody called work you did and that took a
> few hours "silly"?
In the sweetest way possible, if all you lost was a few hours then I
don't see why you're (apparently) so very upset.
Many times I have seen contributions worth days or weeks of work
dismissed from softwar
Marc Haber wrote:
>>Well that's the purpose of ITP-bugs against wnpp I think, because
>>they are CC'd to debian-devel for public review.
> Please show me a single ITP bug number where ftpmaster has said "this
> package will not go into the archive, I will reject it on upload".
There's numerous ITPs
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 03:01:14 +0200, Yven Johannes Leist
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I find that to be a very unfair accusation, since at least to my eyes there
>was nothing especially unfriendly, unreasonable or otherwise criticizable in
>James rejection notice.
How would you react if somebody ca
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 23:05:02 +0200, Bernd Eckenfels
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a
>> pre-upload interface to ftpmaster so that a developer could learn that
>> he is writing a p
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:57:19 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 03 Jul 2003, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Since eicar.com has no license and eicar doesn't seem to be interested
>> in clarifying its license, inclusion of the eicar test string in
>> Debian proper is out of
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:32:29 +0200, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> In the past years, I have found it annoying that the eicar anti-virus
>> testfile is not available as aptable Debian package.
>
>Why is this annoying?
Because i
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:21:05 +0200, Thomas Wana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 16:51 schrieb Marc Haber:
>> Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a
>> pre-upload interface to ftpmaster so that a developer could learn that
>> he is writing a package pen
Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In my situation ftp.masters once rejected a package because of licensing
> issues (which was ok), but then i reuploaded the package and the rejected it
> because of a missing (unneeded) configure option to exclude ssl. I think the
I don't know the sp
On Thursday 03 July 2003 16:51, Marc Haber wrote:
>
> Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a
> pre-upload interface to ftpmaster so that a developer could learn that
> he is writing a package pending rejection after upload _before_
> spending time on building that package. I
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a
> pre-upload interface to ftpmaster so that a developer could learn that
> he is writing a package pending rejection after upload _before_
> spending time on building that pa
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:51:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> In the past years, I have found it annoying that the eicar anti-virus
> testfile is not available as aptable Debian package.
Why is this annoying? The virus cannot be detected without it?
> I find it disturbingly impolite to say "sorry
On Thu, 03 Jul 2003, Marc Haber wrote:
> Since eicar.com has no license and eicar doesn't seem to be interested
> in clarifying its license, inclusion of the eicar test string in
> Debian proper is out of the question, even for non-free.
Ick. They are included in the amavisd-new _source_ packages
Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 16:51 schrieb Marc Haber:
[...]
> Additionally, I would like to seriously propose establishing a
> pre-upload interface to ftpmaster so that a developer could learn that
> he is writing a package pending rejection after upload _before_
> spending time on building that pa
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