On 02/20/2015 06:25 AM, Harald Dunkel wrote:
Hi Daniel,
On 02/20/15 13:09, Daniel Leidert wrote:
Just to understand your problem: there is a package foo. Debian provides
it with version 1:A-B and upstream provides some self-compiled packages
with the same name under version C-D (and C-D < 1:A-
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 05:10:40PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Jonathan Dowland writes ("Re: conflicts between Debian's and upstream's
> Debian package"):
> > The "bad" packages Harald is talking about, I think, are external to
> > Debian — I don&#
Jonathan Dowland writes ("Re: conflicts between Debian's and upstream's Debian
package"):
> The "bad" packages Harald is talking about, I think, are external to
> Debian — I don't think he's trying to protect a DD here. So this is
> courtesy rath
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 03:55:35PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> I disagree: We won't hide problems.
>
> (Sure I agree that we shouldn't throw blame, but that's on you to
> collide those two, not me)
The "bad" packages Harald is talking about, I think, are external to
Debian — I don't think h
Quoting Harald Dunkel (2015-02-24 15:09:15)
> On 02/20/15 18:54, Andreas Tille wrote:
>> Is there any reason why you do not even now are talking about package
>> name and upstream URL featuring the same name? Its not fruitful to
>> leave your discussion partners in the dark.
>>
>
> Sorry, but I
On 02/24/15 15:09, Harald Dunkel wrote:
>
> Sorry, but I don't want to blame anybody producing "bad" packages.
> It shouldn't matter here.
>
Should be:
Sorry, but I don't want to blame anybody to produce "bad" packages.
Name and upstream URL shouldn't matter here.
Sorry for my bad English.
R
Hi Andreas,
On 02/20/15 18:54, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi Harald,
>
> Is there any reason why you do not even now are talking about package
> name and upstream URL featuring the same name? Its not fruitful to
> leave your discussion partners in the dark.
>
Sorry, but I don't want to blame anybo
Am Freitag, den 20.02.2015, 18:54 +0100 schrieb Andreas Tille:
[..]
> Is there any reason why you do not even now are talking about package
> name and upstream URL featuring the same name? Its not fruitful to
> leave your discussion partners in the dark.
Well, Debian has made decisions against p
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:48:02PM -0800, Cameron Norman wrote:
>El vie, 20 de feb 2015 a las 12:04 , Harald Dunkel
>escribió:
>
>Hi folks,
>
>I would like to use upstream's Debian/Ubuntu packages for a certain
>tool 'foo'. Its closer to what I need, and I don't have migrate
El vie, 20 de feb 2015 a las 12:04 , Harald Dunkel
escribió:
Hi folks,
I would like to use upstream's Debian/Ubuntu packages for a
certain tool 'foo'. Its closer to what I need, and I don't
have migrate between both versions before asking the mailing
list for help or for reporting/fixing proble
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:31:49 +0100
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 05:53:27PM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> > If the Debian packages are not as good as the upstream ones, such
> > that you end up having to use the upstream ones for some reason,
> > then that also seems like a bug.
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 22:15:41 +0100
Marc Haber wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:04:56 +0100, Harald Dunkel
> wrote:
> >Problem: The Debian maintainer messed up the version numbers
> >and had to introduce a "1:" for his foo package. Now upstream's
> >package always appears to be out of date, forci
Hi Marc,
while your argument is true and known we have no idea what Harald really
means and thus we are wasting time in wild speculations. :-(
Kind regards
Andreas.
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:15:41PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:50:13 +0100, Andreas Tille
> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:50:13 +0100, Andreas Tille
wrote:
>I have no idea why you concluded that the Debian package exists since
>upstream is "not good enough". Usually it is better to include a Debian
>package into official Debian since you are profitting from several QA
>means which is not the c
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:04:56 +0100, Harald Dunkel
wrote:
>Problem: The Debian maintainer messed up the version numbers
>and had to introduce a "1:" for his foo package. Now upstream's
>package always appears to be out of date, forcing me to override
>apt-get.
That is unfortunately a situation t
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 05:53:27PM +, Simon McVittie wrote:
> If the Debian packages are not as good as the upstream ones, such that
> you end up having to use the upstream ones for some reason, then that
> also seems like a bug. If you can help the Debian maintainer to fix that
> bug (e.g. by
On 20/02/15 14:25, Harald Dunkel wrote:
> IMHO there should be a policy for the special case, that
> there is a naming conflict between upstream's source or
> binary packages, and the packages included in Debian.
Whatever we might say on the subject in Debian policy, upstream-produced
packages are
Hi Harald,
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 03:25:32PM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote:
> > Just to understand your problem: there is a package foo. Debian provides
> > it with version 1:A-B and upstream provides some self-compiled packages
> > with the same name under version C-D (and C-D < 1:A-B) and you want
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 03:25:32PM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote:
> On 02/20/15 13:09, Daniel Leidert wrote:
> >
> > Just to understand your problem: there is a package foo. Debian provides
> > it with version 1:A-B and upstream provides some self-compiled packages
> > with the same name under versio
Hi Daniel,
On 02/20/15 13:09, Daniel Leidert wrote:
>
> Just to understand your problem: there is a package foo. Debian provides
> it with version 1:A-B and upstream provides some self-compiled packages
> with the same name under version C-D (and C-D < 1:A-B) and you want to
> force apt to instal
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 01:09:20PM +0100, Daniel Leidert wrote:
> ...
>
> These are the ways, I would try.
While this perfectly answers to question of the original poster it is
hiding a potential problem inside a (currently unknown) Debian package.
Harald, in case you follow this hint, pleas
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 09:04:56AM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I would like to use upstream's Debian/Ubuntu packages for a
> certain tool 'foo'. Its closer to what I need, and I don't
> have migrate between both versions before asking the mailing
> list for help or for reporting
Hi Harald,
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 09:04:56AM +0100, Harald Dunkel wrote:
> I would like to use upstream's Debian/Ubuntu packages for a
> certain tool 'foo'. Its closer to what I need, and I don't
> have migrate between both versions before asking the mailing
> list for help or for reporting/fi
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