Hi Lucas,
Thank you for bringing up the idea of Debian applying for the OpenAI
Open Source Fund. I appreciate you taking the initiative to explore
potential funding opportunities that could benefit DDs who might decide
freely to profit from it or not.
Since you've asked for DPL approval, I hereby
Hi,
On 6/12/25 16:42, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
My experience is a bit different -- I've found it useful to treat the LLM
as an inexperienced coworker:
- decide on what I would like to do
- ask the LLM to do it
- review carefully
- refine what the LLM proposes either by asking with more details, or
> > All of the above are closed-source solutions.
>
> Not Codex CLI
Indeed, I guess I need to try it out now to evaluate it.
> > I have been playing
> > around with the fully open https://aider.chat/ for well over a year
> > and I would recommend it instead. I hope to some day write a blog post
>
On 11/06/25 at 22:10 +0300, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > > > OpenAI has an Open Source fund. Maybe Debian should apply[1] for a grant
> > > > so that Debian contributors could get hands-on experience on how this
> > > > could help their Debian activities?
> > >
> > > or maybe Debian should n
Hi!
> > > OpenAI has an Open Source fund. Maybe Debian should apply[1] for a grant
> > > so that Debian contributors could get hands-on experience on how this
> > > could help their Debian activities?
> >
> > or maybe Debian should not.
>
> Maybe. Honestly, I don't know.
I still think it would be
Hi,
On Fri, 2025-06-06 at 10:51 +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 12:48:11PM +0200, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
> > > Also they contribute massivly to burning down our only planet
> > > faster.
> > So do in-person conferences, rebuilding software just to observe
> > that
> > no changes hap
On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 12:48:11PM +0200, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
> > Also they contribute massivly to burning down our only planet faster.
> So do in-person conferences, rebuilding software just to observe that
> no changes happen,
horseshit. those things dont require dozens of entire powerplants...
Hi,
On Fri, 2025-06-06 at 10:33 +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 12:03:32PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > > or maybe Debian should not.
> > Maybe. Honestly, I don't know.
>
> I'd rather not take their offer based on moral grounds: they stole
> and
> steal from everyone an
On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 12:03:32PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > or maybe Debian should not.
> Maybe. Honestly, I don't know.
I'd rather not take their offer based on moral grounds: they stole and
steal from everyone and want to make that normal. And for that, they
offer some breadcrumbs to th
On 05/06/25 at 11:38 +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 05:04:34PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > OpenAI has an Open Source fund. Maybe Debian should apply[1] for a grant
> > so that Debian contributors could get hands-on experience on how this
> > could help their Debian activ
On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 05:04:34PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> OpenAI has an Open Source fund. Maybe Debian should apply[1] for a grant
> so that Debian contributors could get hands-on experience on how this
> could help their Debian activities?
or maybe Debian should not.
--
cheers,
Please roll me (and potentially debian...@lists.debian.org) in the CC list.
On 6/4/25 11:04 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
(Of course, the "open source" part applies to the client app, not to the
model)
OpenAI has an Open Source fund. Maybe Debian should apply[1] for a grant
so that Debian contribut
Hi,
On 11/01/25 at 19:13 -0800, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> ...
> > Debian should consider allocating some budget like several hundred USD
> > per month for the LLM API calls for all members and new-comers' usage.
>
> I don't think Debian should as an organization pay for LLMs. On the
> contrary I w
Hi Mo,
before going into criticizing things, I would like to thank you for your
continued work in the AI space. In particular, your way of classifying
models into different degrees of freedom demonstrates how much you care
about Debian's values. I see that your focus is on enabling users and
that'
On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 08:52:39AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> I'd really like to know how it is possible for one to use an LLM to make
> a contribution to a permissively licensed project (e.g. Expat) without
> in effect stealing the code from one's own tribe of Copyleft authors.
>
> Can one even
"M. Zhou" writes:
> On Sun, 2025-01-12 at 16:56 +, Colin Watson wrote:
>>
>> (I have less fixed views on locally-trained models, but I see no very
>> compelling need to find more things to spend energy on even if the costs
>> are lower.)
>
> Locally-trained models are not practical in the cu
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 11:25:20AM -0500, M. Zhou wrote:
> On Sat, 2025-01-11 at 13:49 +0100, Fabio Fantoni wrote:
> >
> > Today trying to see how a new person who wants to start maintaining new
> > packages would do and trying to do research thinking from his point of
> > view and from simple s
Hi,
On 1/13/25 03:46, M. Zhou wrote:
So what I was talking is simply a choice among the two:
1. A contributor who needs help can leverage LLM for its immediate response
and
help even if it only correct, for 30% of the time. It requires the
contributor
to have knowledge and skill t
On 2025-01-12 at 18:03 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Watching other people find and fix bugs, even in code they
> have written or know well, I can't trust systems built on modern
> Markov chains to do better, no matter how much input you give them, and
> that's without crediting LLMs as able to
On Sun, 2025-01-12 at 22:36 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
>
> No-one is stopped from using any of the free offers. I don't think we
> need our own chat bot. Of course that means, in turn, that we give up on
> feeding it domain-specific knowledge and our own prompt. But that's...
> probably fine?
One
On 1/12/25 7:46 PM, M. Zhou wrote:
> So what I was talking is simply a choice among the two:
> 1. A contributor who needs help can leverage LLM for its immediate response
> and
> help even if it only correct, for 30% of the time. It requires the
> contributor
> to have knowledge and skil
On Sun, 2025-01-12 at 16:56 +, Colin Watson wrote:
>
> (I have less fixed views on locally-trained models, but I see no very
> compelling need to find more things to spend energy on even if the costs
> are lower.)
Locally-trained models are not practical in the current stage. State-of-the-art
On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 04:56:15PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 07:13:58PM -0800, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> > I don't think Debian should as an organization pay for LLMs. On the
> > contrary I would expect LLM providers to offer API keys for free to
> > Debian Developers just
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 07:13:58PM -0800, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> I don't think Debian should as an organization pay for LLMs. On the
> contrary I would expect LLM providers to offer API keys for free to
> Debian Developers just like we have other perks listed at
> https://wiki.debian.org/MemberBe
...
> Debian should consider allocating some budget like several hundred USD
> per month for the LLM API calls for all members and new-comers' usage.
I don't think Debian should as an organization pay for LLMs. On the
contrary I would expect LLM providers to offer API keys for free to
Debian Devel
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 11:25:20AM -0500, M. Zhou wrote:
> Opinion against this post will include something about hallucination.
> In the case LLM write something that does not compile at all, or write
> some non-existent API, a human is intelligent enough to easily notice
> that build failure or l
On 1/11/25 5:25 PM, M. Zhou wrote:
> Opinion against this post will include something about hallucination.
> In the case LLM write something that does not compile at all, or write
> some non-existent API, a human is intelligent enough to easily notice
> that build failure or lintian error and tell
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