Re: Kernel 6.13 & choice Init or SystemD for the user on Debian 13

2024-11-24 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 11:41:48 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: >On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 02:29:31AM +0100, phil995511 - wrote: >> Devuan offers users several init managers to choose from, this is what >> Debian should have offered since Debian 8 in 2015... you should never have >> argued about this and

Re: Kernel 6.13 & choice Init or SystemD for the user on Debian 13

2024-11-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 02:29:31AM +0100, phil995511 - wrote: > Devuan offers users several init managers to choose from, this is what > Debian should have offered since Debian 8 in 2015... you should never have > argued about this and made the Debian project lose developers who preferred > to stay

Re: Kernel 6.13 & choice Init or SystemD for the user on Debian 13

2024-11-22 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 02:29:31AM +0100, phil995511 - wrote: > Devuan offers users several init managers to choose from, this is what > Debian should have offered since Debian 8 in 2015... you should never have > argued about this and made the Debian project lose developers who preferred > to stay

Re: Kernel 6.13 & choice Init or SystemD for the user on Debian 13

2024-11-22 Thread Richard Lewis
phil995511 - writes: you say using backports is for advanced users yet you want users to be able to choose their init systems? that's backwards. most users do not care about the init system they use. adding backports and installing a new kernel is not actually that difficult to do, and is easier

Re: Kernel 6.13 & choice Init or SystemD for the user on Debian 13

2024-11-21 Thread Leandro Cunha
On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 3:58 AM Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > > Hi, > > Quoting phil995511 - (2024-11-22 02:29:31) > > Only kernel 6.13 will support the new GPUs that will be released in early > > 2025, the new Intel CPUs, the same for a whole bunch of new hardware... > > > > To be sat

Re: Kernel 6.13 & choice Init or SystemD for the user on Debian 13

2024-11-21 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Hi, Quoting phil995511 - (2024-11-22 02:29:31) > Only kernel 6.13 will support the new GPUs that will be released in early > 2025, the new Intel CPUs, the same for a whole bunch of new hardware... > > To be satisfied with kernel 6.12 would in my opinion be a big strategic > mistake jeopardizing c

Re: Kernel 6.13 & choice Init or SystemD for the user on Debian 13

2024-11-21 Thread Leandro Cunha
Em qui., 21 de nov. de 2024, 22:29, phil995511 - escreveu: > Hello, > > I discussed all this a few days ago by email with your leader Andreas > Tille who advised me to post this here. > > My goal is therefore to let you think about the question and then discuss > it among yourselves... > > > Only

Re: Kernel 6.13 & choice Init or SystemD for the user on Debian 13

2024-11-21 Thread phil995511 -
Hello, I discussed all this a few days ago by email with your leader Andreas Tille who advised me to post this here. My goal is therefore to let you think about the question and then discuss it among yourselves... Only kernel 6.13 will support the new GPUs that will be released in early 2025, t

Re: Kernel 6.13 & choice Init or SystemD for the user on Debian 13

2024-11-21 Thread Leandro Cunha
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 1:57 PM phil995511 - wrote: > > Hello, > > For the next release of Debian 13, I hope you will use the 6.13 kernel which > brings many essential revisions especially in terms of hardware support > (Rpi5, news AMD GPU, news Intel CPU, BTRFS performance and fonctions, etc,