Re: Kernel 6.13 & choice Init or SystemD for the user on Debian 13

Leandro Cunha Thu, 21 Nov 2024 23:45:48 -0800

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 3:58 AM Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
<jo...@debian.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Quoting phil995511 - (2024-11-22 02:29:31)
> > Only kernel 6.13 will support the new GPUs that will be released in early
> > 2025, the new Intel CPUs, the same for a whole bunch of new hardware...
> >
> > To be satisfied with kernel 6.12 would in my opinion be a big strategic
> > mistake jeopardizing compatibility with hardware new or old Debian users.
>
> every new kernel release brings new features. Different users find different
> features differently important to them. You could make the same argument for
> kernel 6.14 or 6.15 which will also bring new features and then you'd be
> waiting for *the one* release forever.


That is true.

> > Besides, kernel 6.12 is not yet officialized as LTS and if Debian slightly
> > pushes back the release date of version 13 to adopt kernel 6.13, kernel.org
> > will elect kernel 6.13 as LTS and not 6.12 !!
>
> Source please.

I would also like sources.

> > And backport takes several months after the release of a new edition of
> > Debian to make new kernels available. On the other hand, the kernels offered
> > in backport are not always very recent either, sometimes they are not even
> > supported anymore on the security side...
>
> This is just not true. Uploads to backports usually happen within *days* not
> months after the versioned transitioned to testing. Please refrain from making
> false claims to support your argument. If you do not even want to wait the few
> days it takes, join the kernel team and help them do the necessary work.

It would be normal for backports to move at a slower pace as it
depends on the transition to testing and there is one in progress
right now for Linux.
Even if that were true, it would be normal too.

> > Regarding the choice of Init or SytemD, I believe it is up to the end user 
> > to
> > choose whether he wants to keep the basic philosophy of Unix by choosing to
> > use Init or if he prefers to use SystemD which is a product developed by a
> > company owned by Read Hat, a giant in the commercial computer industry.
> >
> > Devuan offers users several init managers to choose from, this is what
> > Debian should have offered since Debian 8 in 2015... you should never have
> > argued about this and made the Debian project lose developers who preferred
> > to stay true to their ideas and who had to create Devuan for that.
>
> This is a project run by volunteers. If you want to change something, come and
> join us and do the work that you think is right but please bear in mind that
> your work is a part of a greater whole and we are doing this work together and
> not against each other. If you dislike the greater whole, then this is exactly
> what derivatives are for. I maintain a Debian derivative myself because it
> makes doing things easier which would not fit into Debian. I don't think
> anybody on this list would have a bad feeling if you decide for yourself that
> Devuan fits your needs better than Debian.

I also think that the person would not even be forced to use Debian
and he could opt for Devuan as a distribution that does not have
systemd due to complaints. Or try to use Debian as a custom
installation by removing systemd, putting another one in its place and
that would also be possible.

See https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd

-- 
Cheers,
Leandro Cunha

Re: Kernel 6.13 & choice Init or SystemD for the user on Debian 13

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