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Hi,
On Tue, 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200
Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> In general my plan involves installing less, taking into
> consideration that requirements and expectations what should be
> available in containers, chroots, on servers and desktop systems has
> changed (at least IMHO).
Just a qu
Hi,
Ansgar Burchardt (2015-05-05):
> [ Please send replies only to boot@ ]
>
> I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
> is the list of packages with priorities required, important and
> standard. In general my plan involves installing less, taking into
> conside
Hi,
On Tue, 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200
Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
> is the list of packages with priorities required, important and
> standard. In general my plan involves installing less, taking into
> consideration that req
I'd like to provide a data point. On servers that I maintain, this is
the complete list of manually-installed packages, excluding packages
related to what the server actually _does_ -- that is, this, and
nothing else, are what I consider vital to have available on a generic
server that no one logs
On Wed, 6 May 2015 14:17:58 +0800
Paul Wise wrote:
> it would be strange to not have a viewer for that documentation on
> every system.
>
> https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s12.4
Probably minimal container (and embedded) systems don't need to have docs
and viewers, IMO. De
On Wed, May 6, 2015, at 10:59, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2015-05-06 11:21:13 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > dpkg --purge \
> > discover discover-data libdiscover2 installation-report laptop-detect \
> > nano tasksel tasksel-data task-english acpi acpid acpi-support-base \
> > isc-dhcp-clien
On 5 May 2015 at 19:45, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> * Packages currently at "important":
> - cron:
> Not needed in chroot/container environments.
Hm, i'd say it's not needed full-stop. There are systemd timer units
and e.g. systemd-cron that satisfy the need for periodic execution,
with
On 2015-05-06 15:23:58 +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> So, no, there isn't something broken - the uploader needs to file the
> bug as set out in the developer reference.
Thanks for the information. To make sure that it is done and since
bugs.debian.org didn't show any such bug, I've just filed such
On May 06, Neil Williams wrote:
> So, no, there isn't something broken - the uploader needs to file the
> bug as set out in the developer reference.
And please have this fixed in stable as well.
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On Wed, 6 May 2015 16:09:18 +0200
Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2015-05-06 11:21:13 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > > - nfacct:
> > > No idea why this is at Priority: important.
> > > -> demote to "optional"
> > Even extra... This is a very nic
On 2015-05-06 11:21:13 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > - nfacct:
> > No idea why this is at Priority: important.
> > -> demote to "optional"
> Even extra... This is a very niche package and I have no idea why it is
> being installed everywhere!
On 2015-05-06 11:21:13 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> dpkg --purge \
> discover discover-data libdiscover2 installation-report laptop-detect \
> nano tasksel tasksel-data task-english acpi acpid acpi-support-base \
> isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common eject \
> nfacct libmnl0 libnetfilter-acct1
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 02:21:06PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> ed needs to go back into important, so we can drop the other editors?
We have vim-tiny in important, which provides "ex", aka mostly ed.
Bastian
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On Wed May 06, 2015 at 14:09:30 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > Note that I believe this has changed over time: with the advent of VMs
> > and containers the expectations what a system should minimally provide
> > have become smaller.
> >
> > I'll not comment on where I see emacs and vim ;
On 2015-05-06 12:21:14 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> > cron is part of POSIX.
>
> The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX person
> are... I hopefully count as having some experience, but I don't expect
> cron to be ava
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 06:26:19PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>> On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
>>> cron is part of POSIX.
>>
>> The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX person
>> are...
>
>Perhaps uni
On May 06, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Note that I believe this has changed over time: with the advent of VMs
> and containers the expectations what a system should minimally provide
> have become smaller.
The differences between VMs and "normal" servers are very small, limited
only to a few packa
On Wed, 6 May 2015 18:26:19 +0800
Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> >> cron is part of POSIX.
> >
> > The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX
> > person are...
>
> Perhaps un
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
>> cron is part of POSIX.
>
> The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX person are...
Perhaps unix/posix tasks would satisfy such folks.
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On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> On Tue May 05, 2015 at 20:45:09 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
>> * Packages currently at "important":
>> - cron:
>> Not needed in chroot/container environments.
>> -> demote to "standard"
>
> RC.
>
> | important
> | Important p
Hi,
On Tue May 05, 2015 at 20:45:09 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> * Packages currently at "important":
> - cron:
> Not needed in chroot/container environments.
> -> demote to "standard"
RC.
| important
| Important programs, including those which one would expect to find on
|
On May 06, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> But is this enough reason to keep w3m at priority standard? Personally I
> would rather use "ssh -D" or such than bothering with a rather limited
> text-mode browser.
Agreed.
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On May 06, Josh Triplett wrote:
> That said, as mentioned in my response, I think rsyslog ought to stay
> important
> until something else replaces it. Logging of *some* kind is important.
We have journald. :-)
> Why, when it's just an "apt install at" away? It's one more running
> daemon. R
On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
Me too.
Let's look at the problem from a different point of view. This is what
I remove when building cloud images for my employer's infrastructure:
dpkg --purge \
discover discover-da
On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 5:21:14 AM EEST, Wookey wrote:
+++ Samuel Thibault [2015-05-06 01:09 +0200]:
Ansgar Burchardt, le Tue 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200, a écrit :
- info, texinfo, install-info:
I admit having used info only in desperation. Most documentation
comes in man page
Paul Wise writes:
>> - cron:
>> Not needed in chroot/container environments.
>> -> demote to "standard"
>
> A lot of packages ship cron jobs, I guess this means they will need to
> depend on cron?
They already have to depend on cron if it is required for proper
operation (or recom
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 07:51:57AM +0200, Alexandre Detiste wrote:
> Le mardi 5 mai 2015, 21:02:14 Josh Triplett a écrit :
> > Paul Wise wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > > > - cron:
> > > > Not needed in chroot/container environments.
> > > >
Quoting Paul Wise (2015-05-06 08:17:58)
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > Why, when it's just an "apt install at" away? It's one more running
> > daemon. Realistically, what fraction of Debian users actually invoke
> > at, ever, and of those, what fraction will be deeply
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Josh Triplett wrote:
> Why, when it's just an "apt install at" away? It's one more running
> daemon. Realistically, what fraction of Debian users actually invoke
> at, ever, and of those, what fraction will be deeply disturbed by having
> to install it first?
Th
Hi,
Le mardi 5 mai 2015, 21:02:14 Josh Triplett a écrit :
> Paul Wise wrote:
> > On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > > - cron:
> > > Not needed in chroot/container environments.
> > > -> demote to "standard"
> >
> > A lot of packages ship cron jobs, I guess
Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> > - cron:
> > Not needed in chroot/container environments.
> > -> demote to "standard"
>
> A lot of packages ship cron jobs, I guess this means they will need to
> depend on cron?
cron was never "Essentia
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> * Same for question for "dmidecode": could the priority be lowered to
>"standard"?
As this relates to specific hardware/firmware, this should be moved to
optional and d-i/isenkram/PackageKit/etc should install it when
installing on th
+++ Samuel Thibault [2015-05-06 01:09 +0200]:
> Ansgar Burchardt, le Tue 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200, a écrit :
> > - info, texinfo, install-info:
> > I admit having used info only in desperation. Most documentation
> > comes in man page format.
> > -> demote to "optional"
>
>
Ansgar Burchardt, le Tue 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200, a écrit :
> - info, texinfo, install-info:
> I admit having used info only in desperation. Most documentation
> comes in man page format.
> -> demote to "optional"
Proper autoconf, automake, gcc, etc. documentations only re
Hi,
[ Please send replies only to boot@ ]
I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that
is the list of packages with priorities required, important and
standard. In general my plan involves installing less, taking into
consideration that requirements and expectations wh
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