On 17414 March 1977, Mo Zhou wrote:
1. Let LLM answer the NM templates (maybe with debian policy or debian
developer reference in context) and see the percentage of questions
that can be answered correctly. Even if I don't do it, maybe new DD
applicants will.
And those who actually do this sho
Hi Mo,
thanks again for your posts,
I was just thinking that the debian-mentors list could be a good target
for summarisation too: it is high traffic, email subject lines are
focused on what to upload, but discussions are focused on
problem-solving, thus some intersting tips & trick will be easy
Hi folks,
On 11/9/24 01:26, DebGPT wrote:
This is an experiment, by letting LLM go through all 369 emails from
debian-devel on Oct.
I received lots of feedbacks from the experiments, from positive ones
to negative ones. It wasn't discouraging to see negative feedbacks since
that is us
lu...@debian.org wrote:
>
>While hallucinating too much, LLMs can still correctly
>teach me how to use urwid (which I could never understand by going
>through their tutorial many times...).
>That leads to the `debgpt config` TUI configuration wizard.
>
>Any suggestion on a place where I can safely
Hello,
On Sun 10 Nov 2024 at 08:24am GMT, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 08:48:21AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
>> Our mailing lists were a ground-breaking technological avance in the
>> past that would open Debian to the whole World, but now are they not
>> working exactly again
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 08:24:19AM GMT, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 08:48:21AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Our mailing lists were a ground-breaking technological avance in the
> > past that would open Debian to the whole World, but now are they not
> > working exactly a
On Sun, Nov 10, 2024 at 08:48:21AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Our mailing lists were a ground-breaking technological avance in the
> past that would open Debian to the whole World, but now are they not
> working exactly against that?
first: citation needed.
second: summaries written by applie
-generated news on the main
mailing lists leads to a "pollution effect" -- LLM will grab its report
from the last month If I don't mention it...
What do people do when there is a long thread on debian-devel,
debian-project, debian-private or the like? Well, what I do is that I
che
/sources.list), and a
couple of years later they are mainstream!
What do people do when there is a long thread on debian-devel,
debian-project, debian-private or the like? Well, what I do is that I
check the first ~6 messages and then cherry-pick 3 or 4 answers deeper
in the thread from, for instance
At 2024-11-09T14:46:45-0800, Mo Zhou wrote:
> The tone can change: http://paste.debian.net/1335055/
I recognize a different style there...
> LLMs are being improved rapidly over time.
...but I'm not sure I would call the new example an improvement. With
all those exclamation marks it seems more
The tone can change: http://paste.debian.net/1335055/
LLMs are being improved rapidly over time.
I guess it's due to some potential safety issues so that LLM uses a dull
corporate tone by default. Those models should have been trained on
different tones, as long as we instruct it to use them.
On
At 2024-11-09T21:44:40+, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Please, no further. We don't need hallucinated summaries on our
> lists. If you want to publish them, publish them somewhere separately
> IMHO.
Oh, good--since it's not a CoC violation to express an unflattering
opinion of this experiment, did a
nd a
>little bit on important matter. include links to the report.' --no-render
>
>BTW, which mailing lists should I cover with those montly reports?
>I currently tried on debian-ai, debian-devel, and debian-science.
Please, no further. We don't need hallucinated summaries
On Sat Nov 9, 2024 at 10:00 PM CET, Mo Zhou wrote:
> I just realized that the news report could be more useful if it cites
> the information source. Here we go:
thanks! the links are really key, given the known hallucination issues of LLMs
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El sáb, 9 nov 2024 a las 10:27, DebGPT () escribió:
This is an experiment, by letting LLM go through all 369 emails from
debian-devel on Oct. The command for producing the news report
is included below. Use debgpt's git HEAD if you want to try.
First time I see t
On 2024-11-09 14:19:53 +0100 (+0100), PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote:
> is it via ChatGPT or an llm self hosted ?
[...]
It's DebGPT: https://salsa.debian.org/deeplearning-team/debgpt
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> Hello Lumin,
>
> El sáb, 9 nov 2024 a las 10:27, DebGPT () escribió:
>>
>> This is an experiment, by letting LLM go through all 369 emails from
>> debian-devel on Oct. The command for producing the news report
>> is included below. Use debgpt's git HEAD if you w
Hello Lumin,
El sáb, 9 nov 2024 a las 10:27, DebGPT () escribió:
>
> This is an experiment, by letting LLM go through all 369 emails from
> debian-devel on Oct. The command for producing the news report
> is included below. Use debgpt's git HEAD if you want to try.
First time I
This is an experiment, by letting LLM go through all 369 emails from
debian-devel on Oct. The command for producing the news report
is included below. Use debgpt's git HEAD if you want to try.
THE FOLLOWING CONTAI
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On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 12:40 +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
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On Thu, Jul 01, 2021 at 02:04:14PM +0200, Bart Martens wrote:
> > I agree that the ITP->RFP script was helpful to change the status of the
> > bug and it would be good to check if this keeps on working.
>
> My script doesn't do that anymore. That is intentional. For many ITPs without
> p
Hi,
sorry for the late reply.
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 09:36:58PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:05:02AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > But WNPP is problematic on its own: Right now, we have 1586 normal
> > priority open bugs, 4613 wishlist open bugs (what would the d
kely to spot one for
> software they might care about.
I guess the discussion is over by now, but I still don't think this a
valid argument.
If you are the type of person that reads the subjects of ITP mails,
you can still subscribe to the potential debian-itp list and get the
same experi
Hi,
On Wed, 16 Jun 2021, at 09:57, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 01:05:57PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > I've read numerous people complaining about filtering. If I'm not
> > mistaking, the BTS adds this header:
> >
> > X-Debian-PR-Package: wnpp
> >
> > so filtering based
On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 01:05:57PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> I've read numerous people complaining about filtering. If I'm not
> mistaking, the BTS adds this header:
>
> X-Debian-PR-Package: wnpp
>
> so filtering based on that seems to be a much nicer way than just using
> the subject line.
On 6/11/21 12:17 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> When I subscribed
> to debian-devel directly, I most often filtered ITP mail into a separate
> mailbox, to read at separate times.
I've read numerous people complaining about filtering. If I'm not
mistaking, the BTS adds this h
mailing lists: which is what I was
proposing.
As it happens the list I was proposing already exists; debian-wnpp. So
my proposal becomes: we should send a digest mail from debian-wnpp to
debian-devel instead of all initial ITP mails as we do today.
> +1 It sends the wrong message if we have a b
Thomas Goirand writes:
> On 6/12/21 1:06 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 01:04:21 +0300, Nicholas Guriev
>> wrote:
>>> For the record, the latest digest of the debian-devel@ list #194
>>> consists of 17 emails. 13 of them are ITP forwards, the rem
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:01:32 +, Jeremy Stanley
wrote:
>If these were aggregated into a digest, fitting the names of all the
>relevant software into the subject would be unlikely a lot of the
>time. As such, list subscribers are far less likely to spot one for
>software they might care about.
On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 04:22:31PM +0200, Stephan Lachnit wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 4:26 PM Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >
> > To be honest, I think if we did that we'd lose just about all the
> > reviews that currently happen. The whole point of sending ITPs to
> > d-devel is that they will be s
On 2021-06-14 16:22:31 +0200 (+0200), Stephan Lachnit wrote:
[...]
> How about sending a digest of a potential debian-itp to d-d on a
> weekly basis? I think we wouldn't lose any reviews with this, I
> would even go as far and claim that there will be more reviews,
> since it's less of an "annoyanc
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 4:26 PM Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
> Jon Dowland wrote:
> >
> >I think the ITP mails can make reading the rest of the list difficult
> >without extra local filtering or steps. Some times they are the
> >majority of the list traffic. I think it would be better if
> >ITP mail w
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:05:02AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> I concur with Steve. Often, I decide to ignore ITPs, or get annoyed or
> overwhelmed when very prolific teams (hi nodejs!) announce and set to
> package hundreds of packages I won't have any interest on.
Yeah; I often ignore ITPs too.
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:28:33PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> Wouldn't it just be far simpler for those who wish not to receive the
> ITPs to filter them out to a subfolder of debian-devel or discard them?
Others have covered the specifics of NNTP here; and at least one pe
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 01:45:20PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> To be honest, I think if we did that we'd lose just about all the
> reviews that currently happen. The whole point of sending ITPs to
> d-devel is that they will be seen by a wider audience, but I can't see
> many signing up for YA m
On 6/12/21 1:06 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 01:04:21 +0300, Nicholas Guriev
> wrote:
>> For the record, the latest digest of the debian-devel@ list #194
>> consists of 17 emails. 13 of them are ITP forwards, the remaining 4
>> emails are about ITP for
On 2021-06-12 Jonathan Carter wrote:
> On 2021/06/11 12:33, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > Jonathan explained that it wasn't easy for him due to reading over NNTP
> > and I also think that it's a bad default to have lists where custom
> > filtering is desirable for many.
> Ah, I haven't used NNTP in
On 2021/06/11 12:33, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Jonathan explained that it wasn't easy for him due to reading over NNTP
> and I also think that it's a bad default to have lists where custom
> filtering is desirable for many.
Ah, I haven't used NNTP in 22 years so the details to its limitations
have
On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 01:04:21 +0300, Nicholas Guriev
wrote:
>For the record, the latest digest of the debian-devel@ list #194
>consists of 17 emails. 13 of them are ITP forwards, the remaining 4
>emails are about ITP forwarding.
This is an exceptional day. debian-devel usually doesn&#
For the record, the latest digest of the debian-devel@ list #194
consists of 17 emails. 13 of them are ITP forwards, the remaining 4
emails are about ITP forwarding. And Evolution, due to a bug[1], opens
the digest for 2 minutes 14 seconds. 😞️
If the ITP reports went to a different list
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:05:02AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> But WNPP is problematic on its own: Right now, we have 1586 normal
> priority open bugs, 4613 wishlist open bugs (what would the difference
> be? It seems *most* normal are O and RFA, while ITPs, RFPs and such
> are mostly wishlist... b
Steve McIntyre dijo [Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 01:45:20PM +]:
> >I think the ITP mails can make reading the rest of the list difficult
> >without extra local filtering or steps. Some times they are the
> >majority of the list traffic. I think it would be better if
> >ITP mail went to a separate, de
Hi Jon!
Jon Dowland wrote:
>
>ITP bugs are copied to debian-devel@. The intention, I think, is to make
>sure that they have many eyes on them. ITP bugs often get feedback from
>readers of debian-devel.
>
>I think this is valuable. However, it's one job/task/role, and s
Hi,
On Fri, 11 Jun 2021, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> Wouldn't it just be far simpler for those who wish not to receive the
> ITPs to filter them out to a subfolder of debian-devel or discard them?
Jonathan explained that it wasn't easy for him due to reading over NNTP
and I also t
On 2021/06/11 12:17, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> ITP bugs are copied to debian-devel@. The intention, I think, is to make
> sure that they have many eyes on them. ITP bugs often get feedback from
> readers of debian-devel.
>
> I think this is valuable. However, it's on
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:17 am, Jonathan Dowland
wrote:
Hi,
ITP bugs are copied to debian-devel@. The intention, I think, is to
make
sure that they have many eyes on them. ITP bugs often get feedback
from
readers of debian-devel.
I think this is valuable. However, it's one job
Hi,
ITP bugs are copied to debian-devel@. The intention, I think, is to make
sure that they have many eyes on them. ITP bugs often get feedback from
readers of debian-devel.
I think this is valuable. However, it's one job/task/role, and sometimes
One wishes to focus on other jobs/tasks/
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The relevant text from the policy manual, §9.11: [...]
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Robert Edmonds:
The relevant text from the policy manual, §9.11: [...]
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>>
>> 2015-12-10 13:42 GMT-
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Please excuse me, I want say "Administrators and moderators of debian-devel
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Nope, it works for me.
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 02:13:20PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Dienstag, 11. November 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
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> > So would I.
> me too, should this road be chosen.
>
Excellent. In that case, my position is now "meh" :)
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> > > > I know. So? If the first email of a non-DD gets delayed for a few
> > > > hours,
> > > > that's an acceptable price to pay IMHO.
> > >
derating (some) emails to d-d implies delaying those emails until
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> think of explicitly mentioning that; sorry if that was unclear.
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 01:30:58PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Andrey Rahmatullin:
> > > I know. So? If the first email of a non-DD gets delayed for a few hours,
> > > that's an acceptable price to pay IMHO.
> > Nothing about delays wasn't mentioned in your previous email
>
> Moderating (som
Hi,
Andrey Rahmatullin:
> > I know. So? If the first email of a non-DD gets delayed for a few hours,
> > that's an acceptable price to pay IMHO.
> Nothing about delays wasn't mentioned in your previous email
Moderating (some) emails to d-d implies delaying those emails until
a human moderator lo
+++ Charles Plessy [2014-11-10 23:25 +0900]:
> Hi all,
>
> >From now on I will try to see if I can give to Debian the same quality of
> contribution without being subscribed to debian-devel. And I invite you to
> think about it and *not* to discuss it on this list.
Just a dat
On 11 Nov 22:25, Ben Finney wrote:
> Andrey Rahmatullin writes:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:50:52AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > > I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not
> > > the content, but the list of people allowed
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:22:53PM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > > I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not the
> > > content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it with the
> > > email adresses in our keyring and auto-a
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:25:05PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> > > I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not
> > > the content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it
> > > with the email adresses in our keyring and auto-add any
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Andrey Rahmatullin writes:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:50:52AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not
> > the content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it
> > with the email adresses i
Hi,
Andrey Rahmatullin:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:50:52AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> > I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not the
> > content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it with the
> > email adresses in our ke
Hi Charles,
> after unsubscribing from debian-vote, I had a bit of a thought about
> debian-devel, which is hard to follow now, and suddenly I saw something very
> clear. This year's freeze seems of an excellent quality and promises to be
> brief. Is that thanks to debian-
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 08:50:52AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> I'd be in favor of a different approach: moderate debian-devel. Not the
> content, but the list of people allowed to post. Pre-seed it with the
> email adresses in our keyring and auto-add anybody who signs their
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